DS

"Dick Snyder"

24/01/2011 2:28 PM

Abranet sanding disc problem

A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get caught
on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that I have
used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes off a
little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not enough
to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem here: as the
ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the surface of
the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a disc
that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz" appears
to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly used at all,
and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower down to the
surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind of
normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder


This topic has 18 replies

Rr

RP

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 11:33 AM

On Jan 24, 2:28=A0pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 60=
0)
> as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
> but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
> "stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get cau=
ght
> on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that I ha=
ve
> used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes off =
a
> little bit =A0when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not eno=
ugh
> to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem here: as the
> ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the surface o=
f
> the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.
>
> In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a d=
isc
> that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz" appea=
rs
> to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc =A0that I have hardly used at a=
ll,
> and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower down to =
the
> surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.
>
> I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
> inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
> when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind =
of
> normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured thi=
s
> group would know the likely answer.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder

Maybe time to replace the pad my friend. Every coupla years it's gotta
be done.

RP

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 11:35 AM

I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
> group would know the likely answer.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder

I bought Abranet exactly once when I needed 6" hook and loop and that
was all the shop had available, I bought one combo pack of grits.
First the 80 grit lasted about 30 seconds before the loops gave loose
and the paper folder over a 1/2 inch or so makeing a hard crease and
it was useless. The 100 grit did the same thing a minute later. The
rest of the grits worked fine holding down other garbage in the can,
about what I felt they were useful for.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 3:29 PM

On Jan 24, 4:59=A0pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >> >A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 =
-
> >> >600)
> >> >as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole
> >> >lot
> >> >but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won'=
t
> >> >"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
> >> >caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the disc=
s
> >> >that
> >> >I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It
> >> >brushes
> >> >off a little bit =A0when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand b=
ut
> >> >not
> >> >enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem
> >> >here:
> >> >as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on th=
e
> >> >surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.
>
> >> > In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look a=
t a
> >> > disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white
> >> > "fuzz"
> >> > appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc =A0that I have har=
dly
> >> > used
> >> > at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are
> >> > lower
> >> > down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.
>
> >> > I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My
> >> > visual
> >> > inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this
> >> > myself
> >> > when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some
> >> > kind
> >> > of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I
> >> > figured
> >> > this group would know the likely answer.
>
> >> > TIA.
>
> >> > Dick Snyder
>
> >> I have the similar set up. =A0IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a muc=
h
> >> better
> >> attachment system. =A0The disks work great and cut fast but they simpl=
y
> >> don't
> >> hold on well. =A0I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseea=
ble
> >> future stick with paper products.
>
> > I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> > theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> > There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> > hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
> > I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
> > and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
> > You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
> > often (I do it every couple of months)
> > The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.
>
> I am sanding dry baltic birch. Do you have an idea why so many of my loop=
s
> were pulled out?

Do you push down hard on the sander?

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 2:08 PM

On Jan 24, 3:47=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.

Interesting. I've never used Mirka and I thought pretty much all hook
and loop for sanding was the same. Obviously not. Does Mirka spell
that out in large letters somewhere? Otherwise I could see sanders
taking flight in mid-job.

R

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

25/01/2011 5:58 AM

On Jan 24, 9:26=A0pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>> I have the similar set up. =A0IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a mu=
ch
> >>> better
> >>> attachment system. =A0The disks work great and cut fast but they simp=
ly
> >>> don't
> >>> hold on well. =A0I will probably not buy any more and for the foresee=
able
> >>> future stick with paper products.
>
> >> I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> >> theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> >> There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> >> hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
> >> I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
> >> and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
> >> You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
> >> often (I do it every couple of months)
> >> The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.
>
> > No doubt you are having better luck. =A0I am using the intermediate pad=
but
> > it should at last as long as the samples that came with it. =A0;~) =A0I=
work a
> > lot of corners and sharp edges. =A0The stuff tears and then will not st=
ay in
> > place. =A0In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper t=
o
> > replace when it tears.
>
> My primary reason for buying the Abranet is that the pads are a mesh. Wit=
h
> my shop vac hooked up to the dust port on my ROS, I get next to no sawdus=
t
> in the air in my workshop

Yup, that is the upside of Abranet, as well as the longevity and
consistency of grit/cut.

s

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

25/01/2011 5:19 PM

On Jan 24, 5:08=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 3:47=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> > theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> > There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> > hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
>
> Interesting. =A0I've never used Mirka and I thought pretty much all hook
> and loop for sanding was the same. =A0Obviously not. =A0Does Mirka spell
> that out in large letters somewhere? =A0Otherwise I could see sanders
> taking flight in mid-job.
>
> R

i use regular Mirka sandpapers....bought a bunch on sale from an
online company (i dunno which) The stuff in indestructable - works
great!


shelly

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 3:28 PM

On Jan 24, 5:01=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >> I have the similar set up. =A0IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a muc=
h
> >> better
> >> attachment system. =A0The disks work great and cut fast but they simpl=
y
> >> don't
> >> hold on well. =A0I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseea=
ble
> >> future stick with paper products.
>
> > I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> > theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> > There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> > hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
> > I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
> > and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
> > You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
> > often (I do it every couple of months)
> > The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.
>
> No doubt you are having better luck. =A0I am using the intermediate pad b=
ut it
> should at last as long as the samples that came with it. =A0;~) =A0I work=
a lot
> of corners and sharp edges. =A0The stuff tears and then will not stay in
> place. =A0In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper to
> replace when it tears.

I never use the Rotex to radius or sand small pointy things... IMHO, I
think they're designed to sand flat things... maybe some larger
profiles. Edges and corners I sand by hand or a 1/4 sheet palm sander.

DS

"Dick Snyder"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 2:44 PM


"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:258a5e65-6741-4434-a1bd-1617536d67b5@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
>> group would know the likely answer.
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Dick Snyder
>
> I bought Abranet exactly once when I needed 6" hook and loop and that
> was all the shop had available, I bought one combo pack of grits.
> First the 80 grit lasted about 30 seconds before the loops gave loose
> and the paper folder over a 1/2 inch or so makeing a hard crease and
> it was useless. The 100 grit did the same thing a minute later. The
> rest of the grits worked fine holding down other garbage in the can,
> about what I felt they were useful for.

I don't know if we are talking about the same product. Rather than go into a
lengthy description can you look here to see if we are talking about
something different (the discs I am using do not have a paper backing):

http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-Abranet-Abrasive-Sanding-Assortment/dp/B0019FSEZI

DS

"Dick Snyder"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 9:24 PM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:30d25cc5-c06e-4be8-8643-2c134e644f85@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 24, 4:59 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >> >A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 -
> >> >600)
> >> >as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole
> >> >lot
> >> >but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
> >> >"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
> >> >caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs
> >> >that
> >> >I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It
> >> >brushes
> >> >off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but
> >> >not
> >> >enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem
> >> >here:
> >> >as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
> >> >surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.
>
> >> > In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at
> >> > a
> >> > disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white
> >> > "fuzz"
> >> > appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly
> >> > used
> >> > at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are
> >> > lower
> >> > down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.
>
> >> > I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My
> >> > visual
> >> > inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this
> >> > myself
> >> > when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some
> >> > kind
> >> > of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I
> >> > figured
> >> > this group would know the likely answer.
>
> >> > TIA.
>
> >> > Dick Snyder
>
> >> I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
> >> better
> >> attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
> >> don't
> >> hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
> >> future stick with paper products.
>
> > I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> > theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> > There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> > hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
> > I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
> > and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
> > You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
> > often (I do it every couple of months)
> > The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.
>
> I am sanding dry baltic birch. Do you have an idea why so many of my loops
> were pulled out?

Do you push down hard on the sander?
No, not at all. Baltic birch is pretty smooth to start with of course. I am
putting urathane on it to get a nice blonde and smooth look for some drawers
in an entertainment center.

DS

"Dick Snyder"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 4:59 PM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>> >A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 -
>> >600)
>> >as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole
>> >lot
>> >but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
>> >"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
>> >caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs
>> >that
>> >I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It
>> >brushes
>> >off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but
>> >not
>> >enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem
>> >here:
>> >as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
>> >surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.
>>
>> > In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a
>> > disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white
>> > "fuzz"
>> > appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly
>> > used
>> > at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are
>> > lower
>> > down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.
>>
>> > I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My
>> > visual
>> > inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this
>> > myself
>> > when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some
>> > kind
>> > of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I
>> > figured
>> > this group would know the likely answer.
>>
>> > TIA.
>>
>> > Dick Snyder
>>
>> I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
>> better
>> attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
>> don't
>> hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
>> future stick with paper products.
>
> I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
> I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
> and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
> You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
> often (I do it every couple of months)
> The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

I am sanding dry baltic birch. Do you have an idea why so many of my loops
were pulled out?

Rr

RP

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 11:39 AM

On Jan 24, 2:35=A0pm, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
>
> > group would know the likely answer.
>
> > TIA.
>
> > Dick Snyder
>
> I bought Abranet exactly once when I needed 6" hook and loop and that
> was all the shop had available, I bought one combo pack of grits.
> First the 80 grit lasted about 30 seconds before the loops gave loose
> and the paper folder over a 1/2 inch or so makeing a hard crease and
> it was useless. The 100 grit did the same thing a minute later. The
> rest of the grits worked fine holding down other garbage in the can,
> about what I felt they were useful for.

Geez, I thought that Abranet was supposed to be the hot shit. I reckon
I won't buy them.

RP

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 4:01 PM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
>> better
>> attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
>> don't
>> hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
>> future stick with paper products.
>
> I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
> theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
> There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
> hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
> I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
> and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
> You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
> often (I do it every couple of months)
> The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

No doubt you are having better luck. I am using the intermediate pad but it
should at last as long as the samples that came with it. ;~) I work a lot
of corners and sharp edges. The stuff tears and then will not stay in
place. In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper to
replace when it tears.

DS

"Dick Snyder"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 9:26 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
>>> better
>>> attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
>>> don't
>>> hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
>>> future stick with paper products.
>>
>> I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
>> theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
>> There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
>> hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
>> I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
>> and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
>> You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
>> often (I do it every couple of months)
>> The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.
>
> No doubt you are having better luck. I am using the intermediate pad but
> it should at last as long as the samples that came with it. ;~) I work a
> lot of corners and sharp edges. The stuff tears and then will not stay in
> place. In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper to
> replace when it tears.
>
My primary reason for buying the Abranet is that the pads are a mesh. With
my shop vac hooked up to the dust port on my ROS, I get next to no sawdust
in the air in my workshop

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 12:47 PM

On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> >A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 600)
> >as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
> >but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
> >"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
> >caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that
> >I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes
> >off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not
> >enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem here:
> >as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
> >surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.
>
> > In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a
> > disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz"
> > appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly used
> > at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower
> > down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.
>
> > I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
> > inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
> > when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind
> > of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured
> > this group would know the likely answer.
>
> > TIA.
>
> > Dick Snyder
>
> I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much better
> attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply don't
> hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
> future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 1:54 PM


"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 600)
>as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
>but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
>"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
>caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that
>I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes
>off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not
>enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem here:
>as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
>surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.
>
> In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a
> disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz"
> appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly used
> at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower
> down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.
>
> I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
> inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
> when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind
> of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured
> this group would know the likely answer.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder

I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much better
attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply don't
hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 1:33 PM

a
> lengthy description can you look here to see if we are talking about
> something different (the discs I am using do not have a paper backing):
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-Abranet-Abrasive-Sanding-Assortment/dp/B0...

Thats the stuff. I was "told" it was the hot shit and this was at a
commercial tool store provider that focuses on woodworking. The mesh
seemed like a great idea for good dust collection without a need to
line up the holes. It just don't stick.

I guess some other poster says you need to some intermediate pad. News
to me. Not sure why they couldn't just make it normal. Maybe it is
great if you have the extra pad.

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

26/01/2011 9:04 PM

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:19:04 -0800, smandel wrote:

> i use regular Mirka sandpapers....bought a bunch on sale from an online
> company (i dunno which) The stuff in indestructable - works great!

It's the best I'd ever used until I tried the Norton 3X disks. I won't
swear they last 3 times longer as they claim, but they definitely last
longer. But the last time I compared them, the 3X were about twice the
price of the Mirka. I think that makes the 3X a little cheaper
considering use, but it's not a huge difference.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

DS

"Dick Snyder"

in reply to "Dick Snyder" on 24/01/2011 2:28 PM

24/01/2011 4:57 PM


"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> a
>> lengthy description can you look here to see if we are talking about
>> something different (the discs I am using do not have a paper backing):
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-Abranet-Abrasive-Sanding-Assortment/dp/B0...
>
> Thats the stuff. I was "told" it was the hot shit and this was at a
> commercial tool store provider that focuses on woodworking. The mesh
> seemed like a great idea for good dust collection without a need to
> line up the holes. It just don't stick.
>
> I guess some other poster says you need to some intermediate pad. News
> to me. Not sure why they couldn't just make it normal. Maybe it is
> great if you have the extra pad.

I have the intermediate pad. It exists so the hooks are not cut off
rubbingMine were not cut off but they are frayed. Here is a quote from a
reviewer on Amazon "Looking under a microscope it seems that some of the
hooks on the sander velcro pop through the open mesh structure of the
sanding abrasive. Once the hooks are damaged, nothing will stick to them.
The solution? Use the abranet pads that go between the sander and the
abrasive. I found out the hard way. "

I am still trying to figure out why so many of the loops on the actual discs
themselves are pulled out much like a loop is pulled out on a knitted item
like a sweater.


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