Had an e-mail this morning, supposedly from AMAZON.COM,
advising they were going to ship an order placed May 3 and to confirm.
I receive ALL e-mail as straight text so get an attachment if file
uses HTML.
This e-mail had an attachment containing a *.zip file.
Immediately dumped the whole thing.
What makes this one so nasty is that I had a transaction with
AMAZON during early MAY.
Tricky little bastards.
Beware.
Lew
On Mon, 26 May 2014 17:27:01 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>As long as I DO NOT open the HTML attachment,
>how does the hacker get in?
>Or have I been enjoying a very long string of good luck?
Lew, if you receive an email, whatever form it takes, then there's the
possibility you can get hacked. You're in effect, opening your
computer to someone or something from outside. The attack can come in
the form of messages, attachments, viruses, worms, whatever.
It's a sad fact, but no one is really safe from outside attacks unless
they're in a truly closed system.
All you really can do is to take a certain level of precaution.
Hackers generally prefer to go for the easier systems to invade. The
more difficult your system is to attack, the greater chance a hacker
will go after some other system.
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
> switched.
I have a contact named "Arseholes" in my address book that is blocked.
When a call gets through, I just add the number to that contact.
--
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sobered, but stupid lasts forever.² -- Aristophanes
On 5/24/2014 12:43 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 5/24/2014 1:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
>> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
>> switched.
>>
>> A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
>> still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices, so I
>> really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more are
>> switching to email just in the last year or so, if not exclusively.
>>
>> Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that sends me
>> unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with anyone
>> who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office supplies. About as
>> much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in a hurricane, but I have
>> had a few apologize.
>
> When you block by caller ID how do you distinguish legitimize calls from
> unknowns and calls for tel marketers and other junk callers.
Do you fully understand what caller ID is, and how to use it to block a
telemarketer's number?
> It you have a business handling calls from customers, old and new, you
> will miss new oprotunities for sales by blocking all calls based on
> Caller ID.
And just how is that?
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On 5/24/2014 1:03 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
>> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
>> switched.
>>
>
> Yup! But that's not an iPhone feature... every phone will offer that.
It is most definitely an iPhone "feature", one that is built-in to IOS 7.
And nope, most do not.
> I do
> it on my Android, and I used to do it on my not-so-smart-phones in the past.
> A great feature indeed!
Most likely your old phone blocked calls as a carrier based feature, not
a phone based feature. And most of those you had to pay for the service.
BTDT
Currently just a few Android phones allow it without using a third party
app, and even then it is model specific:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-block-phone-numbers-in-iOS-Android-and-Windows-Phone_id52355
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On 5/24/2014 12:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
[snip]
> A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
> still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices, so I
> really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more are
> switching to email just in the last year or so, if not exclusively.
>
> Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that sends me
> unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with anyone
> who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office supplies. About as
> much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in a hurricane, but I have
> had a few apologize.
>
Do a bit of research on that, Carl. I forget the name of it but the
Feds passed a fax spam law a number of years ago that is really kinda neat.
Can't send Faxes to folks without their permission OR unless they are
existing customers.
The fun part is that though it's federal, your right to redress is in
YOUR local court in much the same fashion as a small claims action. A
successful case will net you the costs of the suit and, IIRC, $450
minimum for EACH unsolicited fax.
The trick is identifying the company sending (but there are ways and not
all will hide it - plus if you play along with them AFTER THE FACT to
get their identifiers, that does NOT negate your claim).
I know several individuals and a couple of lawyers who've made a hobby
of these types of cases and made a fair amount of money. One has gotten
the check for the $450 (or whatever) just by writing a letter
threatening suit.
A question for you puter people:
I previously wrote:
> I receive ALL e-mail as straight text so get an attachment
to the text if file uses HTML.
---------------------------------------------------------------
So the question:
If you only receive text e-mail, how does the hacker get to you?
Understand all kind of nasty things can be buried in HTML files
so I am very careful handling them.
So far so good.
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Lew
I previously wrote:
>>> I receive ALL e-mail as straight text so get an attachment
>>to the text if file uses HTML.
>>---------------------------------------------------------------
>>So the question:
>>
>>If you only receive text e-mail, how does the hacker get to you?
-------------------------------------------------
"Edward A. Falk" wrote:
> I think he means that he set his preferences at Amazon so that
> they'd
> only send text messages. The fact that he received HTML tipped him
> off.
>
> As a general rule, NEVER accept a zip file by email unless it's from
> someone you pre-arranged to receive it from. An unsolicited zip
> file,
> even from a friend, is almost always a virus.
-------------------------------------------------------
Sorry for any confusion, but AMAZON had nothing to do with my
question.
I'm running OE6 and XP.
I have OE6 set to send and receive text only.
A HTML message is received as a text only msg along with an HTML
attachment which I never open unless I know who sent it.
So how does a hacker get thru the above.
I supposedly got a msg from Amazon (which it wasn't).
I checked the attachments and found a "*.ZIP" file.
I immediately trashed the total msg.
The hacker was unsuccessful.
Back to the first question.
How does a hacker get thru my version of OE6?
Lew
I asked:
>> How does a hacker get thru my version of OE6?
>>
>> Lew
-----------------------------------------------
"woodchucker" wrote:
> You still get html, you just chose to view the text portion only.
> It's mime content and there are 2 parts text and html.
> you read the text.
---------------------------------------------------
OK that makes sense.
As long as I DO NOT open the HTML attachment,
how does the hacker get in?
Or have I been enjoying a very long string of good luck?
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
I asked:
>>
>>>> How does a hacker get thru my version of OE6?
-----------------------------------------------
"woodchucker" wrote:
>>> You still get html, you just chose to view the text portion only.
>>> It's mime content and there are 2 parts text and html.
>>> you read the text.
---------------------------------------------------
>>OK that makes sense.
>>
>>As long as I DO NOT open the HTML attachment,
>>how does the hacker get in?
>>
>>Or have I been enjoying a very long string of good luck?
-------------------------------------------------------
"Markem" wrote:
> Lew you would have to open the zip file. There are also scams that
> use
> funeral annoucements. Windows will also tell tech support to call
> you.
>
> No hacker got through.
---------------------------------------------
I understand not opening the *,ZIP file.
What about other HTML attachments as a general case where *.zip
files are not involved?
Lew
"woodchucker" wrote:
> A good virus scanner like avast protects. Before opening the file is
> copied to a temp area and scanned. Avast also notifies me of
> viruses in emails. And it's way faster than the popular anti
> virus's
-----------------------------------------------------
Will try avast.
Thks for the help.
Lew
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On 5/24/2014 1:55 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> It is most definitely an iPhone "feature", one that is built-in to
>> IOS 7.
>> And nope, most do not.
>>
>>> I do
>>> it on my Android, and I used to do it on my not-so-smart-phones in
>>> the past. A great feature indeed!
>>
>> Most likely your old phone blocked calls as a carrier based feature,
>> not a phone based feature. And most of those you had to pay for the
>> service. BTDT
>
> Well damned - maybe it was a Carrier service of Cingular (later ATT), but
> I've used it for a long time. Still love it regardless of how it works.
> Never had to pay for it with the plans we've had - others may have had
> different experiences.
>
IIRC ATT has offered blocking through ATT for a long time. It was
however limited to how many you could block before you had to pay extra.
And they had a feature to block all except for say those in your
contact list.
>>
>> Currently just a few Android phones allow it without using a third
>> party app, and even then it is model specific:
>>
>> http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-block-phone-numbers-in-iOS-Android-and-Windows-Phone_id52355
>
> Other web sites claim it is a common Android feature - but it doesn't
> matter. I'm just happy to use the feature.
>
On 5/24/2014 1:03 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
>> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
>> switched.
>>
>
> Yup! But that's not an iPhone feature... every phone will offer that. I do
> it on my Android, and I used to do it on my not-so-smart-phones in the past.
> A great feature indeed!
>
Actually it is a feature but not an exclusive.
On 5/27/2014 9:25 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
> I asked:
>>>
>>>>> How does a hacker get thru my version of OE6?
> -----------------------------------------------
> "woodchucker" wrote:
>
>>>> You still get html, you just chose to view the text portion only.
>>>> It's mime content and there are 2 parts text and html.
>>>> you read the text.
> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> OK that makes sense.
>>>
>>> As long as I DO NOT open the HTML attachment,
>>> how does the hacker get in?
>>>
>>> Or have I been enjoying a very long string of good luck?
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Markem" wrote:
>
>> Lew you would have to open the zip file. There are also scams that
>> use
>> funeral annoucements. Windows will also tell tech support to call
>> you.
>>
>> No hacker got through.
> ---------------------------------------------
> I understand not opening the *,ZIP file.
>
> What about other HTML attachments as a general case where *.zip
> files are not involved?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
There are certain dangers with images, and videos. But generally I don't
worry about them. I use thunderbird which gives me the option of
displaying the images. I permanently ok certain senders. So it asks on
senders I have not ok'd yet.
A good virus scanner like avast protects. Before opening the file is
copied to a temp area and scanned. Avast also notifies me of viruses in
emails. And it's way faster than the popular anti virus's
--
Jeff
On 5/26/2014 6:58 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> I previously wrote:
>
>>>> I receive ALL e-mail as straight text so get an attachment
>>> to the text if file uses HTML.
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> So the question:
>>>
>>> If you only receive text e-mail, how does the hacker get to you?
> -------------------------------------------------
> "Edward A. Falk" wrote:
>
>> I think he means that he set his preferences at Amazon so that
>> they'd
>> only send text messages. The fact that he received HTML tipped him
>> off.
>>
>> As a general rule, NEVER accept a zip file by email unless it's from
>> someone you pre-arranged to receive it from. An unsolicited zip
>> file,
>> even from a friend, is almost always a virus.
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Sorry for any confusion, but AMAZON had nothing to do with my
> question.
>
> I'm running OE6 and XP.
>
> I have OE6 set to send and receive text only.
>
> A HTML message is received as a text only msg along with an HTML
> attachment which I never open unless I know who sent it.
>
> So how does a hacker get thru the above.
>
> I supposedly got a msg from Amazon (which it wasn't).
>
> I checked the attachments and found a "*.ZIP" file.
>
> I immediately trashed the total msg.
>
> The hacker was unsuccessful.
>
> Back to the first question.
>
> How does a hacker get thru my version of OE6?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
You still get html, you just chose to view the text portion only.
It's mime content and there are 2 parts text and html.
you read the text.
--
Jeff
You can never be too careful.
And like tele market calls....
I am a General Contractor and take all calls.
55% or so are tele calls.....
I get totally disgusted with their ways of getting in,
and anytime of day, and evening....with a recorded operator and then menu's
choices...
I have been actually downright rude....but it does no good.
They keep coming like lemmings.....
Luckily, I have not had too many e-mails.....
Yes, I have been on a do not call list......it does no good.
john
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Had an e-mail this morning, supposedly from AMAZON.COM,
advising they were going to ship an order placed May 3 and to confirm.
I receive ALL e-mail as straight text so get an attachment if file
uses HTML.
This e-mail had an attachment containing a *.zip file.
Immediately dumped the whole thing.
What makes this one so nasty is that I had a transaction with
AMAZON during early MAY.
Tricky little bastards.
Beware.
Lew
On 5/24/2014 1:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
> switched.
>
> A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
> still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices, so I
> really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more are
> switching to email just in the last year or so, if not exclusively.
>
> Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that sends me
> unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with anyone
> who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office supplies. About as
> much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in a hurricane, but I have
> had a few apologize.
When you block by caller ID how do you distinguish legitimize calls from
unknowns and calls for tel marketers and other junk callers.
It you have a business handling calls from customers, old and new, you
will miss new oprotunities for sales by blocking all calls based on
Caller ID.
Swingman wrote:
>
> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
> switched.
>
Yup! But that's not an iPhone feature... every phone will offer that. I do
it on my Android, and I used to do it on my not-so-smart-phones in the past.
A great feature indeed!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 5/24/2014 1:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
>> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
>> switched.
>>
>> A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
>> still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices,
>> so I really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more
>> are switching to email just in the last year or so, if not
>> exclusively. Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that
>> sends me
>> unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with
>> anyone who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office
>> supplies. About as much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in
>> a hurricane, but I have had a few apologize.
>
> When you block by caller ID how do you distinguish legitimize calls
> from unknowns and calls for tel marketers and other junk callers.
>
> It you have a business handling calls from customers, old and new, you
> will miss new oprotunities for sales by blocking all calls based
> on Caller ID.
that is indeed a risk Keith, since Caller ID can easily be (and is...)
spoofed. But - in the scheme of things, it comes down to how many times is
that really going to happen? Most find that there is no impact at all to
their business. Most of the spoofed numbers are not real numbers, are
discontinued services, etc., so no real risk.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Trouble is I get out of county calls....Many from long distance have
vacation homes here....and cell phones.......etc.
Yes, I have had a few apologize.....but not many.
As for fax, I just do not know why I still have it.......But there are those
who still use it....
no crank faxes there at least, or not many....
john
"Swingman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 5/24/2014 11:16 AM, jloomis wrote:
> And like tele market calls....
> I am a General Contractor and take all calls.
> 55% or so are tele calls.....
Me also, but I only answer calls from area codes that correspond to the
areas I work in. If not I let them go to voice mail. No message, no call
back.
> I get totally disgusted with their ways of getting in,
> and anytime of day, and evening....with a recorded operator and then
> menu's choices...
> I have been actually downright rude....but it does no good.
> They keep coming like lemmings.....
> Luckily, I have not had too many e-mails.....
> Yes, I have been on a do not call list......it does no good.
One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
switched.
A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices, so I
really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more are
switching to email just in the last year or so, if not exclusively.
Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that sends me
unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with anyone
who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office supplies. About as
much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in a hurricane, but I have
had a few apologize.
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"jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> You can never be too careful.
> And like tele market calls....
> I am a General Contractor and take all calls.
> 55% or so are tele calls.....
> I get totally disgusted with their ways of getting in,
> and anytime of day, and evening....with a recorded operator and then
> menu's choices...
> I have been actually downright rude....but it does no good.
> They keep coming like lemmings.....
Get a voice modem and something like PhoneTray (http://www.phonetray.com/)
Answer on the 2nd (or 3rd, etc) ring.
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-----------------------------------------------------
Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in news:llqln8$fh7$1
@speranza.aioe.org:
> On 5/24/2014 1:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
>> caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
>> switched.
>>
>> A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
>> still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices, so
I
>> really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more are
>> switching to email just in the last year or so, if not exclusively.
>>
>> Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that sends me
>> unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with anyone
>> who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office supplies. About
as
>> much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in a hurricane, but I
have
>> had a few apologize.
>
> When you block by caller ID how do you distinguish legitimize calls
from
> unknowns and calls for tel marketers and other junk callers.
>
> It you have a business handling calls from customers, old and new, you
> will miss new oprotunities for sales by blocking all calls based on
> Caller ID.
>
Use something like PhoneTray (www.phonetray.com) -- you can block known
spammers and whitelist known customers. Works off CallerID. PhoneTray
maintains a list of known spammers which the software uses to block
calls. Of course, this only works for land lines.
--
-----------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
-----------------------------------------------------
Swingman wrote:
>
> It is most definitely an iPhone "feature", one that is built-in to
> IOS 7.
> And nope, most do not.
>
>> I do
>> it on my Android, and I used to do it on my not-so-smart-phones in
>> the past. A great feature indeed!
>
> Most likely your old phone blocked calls as a carrier based feature,
> not a phone based feature. And most of those you had to pay for the
> service. BTDT
Well damned - maybe it was a Carrier service of Cingular (later ATT), but
I've used it for a long time. Still love it regardless of how it works.
Never had to pay for it with the plans we've had - others may have had
different experiences.
>
> Currently just a few Android phones allow it without using a third
> party app, and even then it is model specific:
>
> http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-block-phone-numbers-in-iOS-Android-and-Windows-Phone_id52355
Other web sites claim it is a common Android feature - but it doesn't
matter. I'm just happy to use the feature.
--
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[email protected]
In article <[email protected]>,
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>A question for you puter people:
>
>I previously wrote:
>
>> I receive ALL e-mail as straight text so get an attachment
>to the text if file uses HTML.
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>So the question:
>
>If you only receive text e-mail, how does the hacker get to you?
I think he means that he set his preferences at Amazon so that they'd
only send text messages. The fact that he received HTML tipped him off.
As a general rule, NEVER accept a zip file by email unless it's from
someone you pre-arranged to receive it from. An unsolicited zip file,
even from a friend, is almost always a virus.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On Mon, 26 May 2014 23:09:23 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Quite the opposite. Some of the hackers prefer the hardened systems
>believing there is more value there.
It's *NOT* quite the opposite. Sure, there's hackers that like a
challenge, but we're talking about generalities, not unusual
circumstances. In general, hackers go after systems where there's the
hope of some type of gain. The average nobody (Sorry Lew), doesn't
have near as much to worry about if they're decently protected and
judicious about where go and what they do online.
>So you are not safe regardless.
I never said or even suggested that he'd be safe, quite the opposite
actually, as I quoted below.
>>It's a sad fact, but no one is really safe from outside attacks unless
>>they're in a truly closed system.
On 5/24/2014 1:55 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> It is most definitely an iPhone "feature", one that is built-in to
>> IOS 7.
>> And nope, most do not.
>>
>>> I do
>>> it on my Android, and I used to do it on my not-so-smart-phones in
>>> the past. A great feature indeed!
>>
>> Most likely your old phone blocked calls as a carrier based feature,
>> not a phone based feature. And most of those you had to pay for the
>> service. BTDT
>
> Well damned - maybe it was a Carrier service of Cingular (later ATT), but
> I've used it for a long time. Still love it regardless of how it works.
> Never had to pay for it with the plans we've had - others may have had
> different experiences.
>
>>
>> Currently just a few Android phones allow it without using a third
>> party app, and even then it is model specific:
>>
>> http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-block-phone-numbers-in-iOS-Android-and-Windows-Phone_id52355
>
> Other web sites claim it is a common Android feature - but it doesn't
> matter. I'm just happy to use the feature.
I had a Motorola Android before the iPhone 5. If I wanted call blocking,
needed to pay Verizon for it. No longer necessary with the iPhone.
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On 5/24/2014 1:41 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 5/24/2014 12:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
>> still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices, so I
>> really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more are
>> switching to email just in the last year or so, if not exclusively.
>>
>> Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that sends me
>> unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with anyone
>> who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office supplies. About as
>> much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in a hurricane, but I have
>> had a few apologize.
>>
>
> Do a bit of research on that, Carl. I forget the name of it but the
> Feds passed a fax spam law a number of years ago that is really kinda neat.
> Can't send Faxes to folks without their permission OR unless they are
> existing customers.
>
> The fun part is that though it's federal, your right to redress is in
> YOUR local court in much the same fashion as a small claims action. A
> successful case will net you the costs of the suit and, IIRC, $450
> minimum for EACH unsolicited fax.
Too bad it doesn't work. Costs are much higher than the return. DAMHIKT
>
> The trick is identifying the company sending (but there are ways and not
> all will hide it - plus if you play along with them AFTER THE FACT to
> get their identifiers, that does NOT negate your claim).
>
> I know several individuals and a couple of lawyers who've made a hobby
> of these types of cases and made a fair amount of money. One has gotten
> the check for the $450 (or whatever) just by writing a letter
> threatening suit.
For years I collected unsolicited faxes and send them to various lawyers
and entities that were supposed to be collecting them for litigation
purposes, including reporting them to the government.
This is just the last batch of wasted time:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff?noredirect=1#6017072861137728274
Monumental waste of time. Scofflaws outnumber the rest of us.
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 17:27:01 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I asked:
>
>>> How does a hacker get thru my version of OE6?
>>>
>>> Lew
>-----------------------------------------------
>"woodchucker" wrote:
>
>> You still get html, you just chose to view the text portion only.
>> It's mime content and there are 2 parts text and html.
>> you read the text.
>---------------------------------------------------
>OK that makes sense.
>
>As long as I DO NOT open the HTML attachment,
>how does the hacker get in?
>
>Or have I been enjoying a very long string of good luck?
>
Lew you would have to open the zip file. There are also scams that use
funeral annoucements. Windows will also tell tech support to call you.
No hacker got through.
Mark
On 5/26/2014 9:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2014 17:27:01 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>> As long as I DO NOT open the HTML attachment,
>> how does the hacker get in?
>> Or have I been enjoying a very long string of good luck?
>
> Lew, if you receive an email, whatever form it takes, then there's the
> possibility you can get hacked. You're in effect, opening your
> computer to someone or something from outside. The attack can come in
> the form of messages, attachments, viruses, worms, whatever.
>
> It's a sad fact, but no one is really safe from outside attacks unless
> they're in a truly closed system.
>
> All you really can do is to take a certain level of precaution.
> Hackers generally prefer to go for the easier systems to invade. The
> more difficult your system is to attack, the greater chance a hacker
> will go after some other system.
>
Quite the opposite. Some of the hackers prefer the hardened systems
believing there is more value there.
So you are not safe regardless.
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Jeff
On 5/26/2014 8:27 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> I asked:
>
>>> How does a hacker get thru my version of OE6?
>>>
>>> Lew
> -----------------------------------------------
> "woodchucker" wrote:
>
>> You still get html, you just chose to view the text portion only.
>> It's mime content and there are 2 parts text and html.
>> you read the text.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> OK that makes sense.
>
> As long as I DO NOT open the HTML attachment,
> how does the hacker get in?
>
> Or have I been enjoying a very long string of good luck?
>
> Lew
>
>
well it's really if you allow active x to run . They can attack you with
that. I am not an OE6 user. So I can't tell you all the ways.
You see MS allows vb scripting and active x. Turn the security feature
on that blocks those.
HTML in and of itself is not the danger.
I use Thunderbird and it blocks remote images until I ok them.
I like the fact that I can hit control u to open the source of a message.
So I can see what they are sending me without opening the message. If I
don't see any bs I might open it. Usually its bs... and I delete it
w/o opening.
Do a google search on OE6 security and you probably will find a way of
hardening it. Or find why you should not be using it.
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On 5/24/2014 11:16 AM, jloomis wrote:
> And like tele market calls....
> I am a General Contractor and take all calls.
> 55% or so are tele calls.....
Me also, but I only answer calls from area codes that correspond to the
areas I work in. If not I let them go to voice mail. No message, no call
back.
> I get totally disgusted with their ways of getting in,
> and anytime of day, and evening....with a recorded operator and then
> menu's choices...
> I have been actually downright rude....but it does no good.
> They keep coming like lemmings.....
> Luckily, I have not had too many e-mails.....
> Yes, I have been on a do not call list......it does no good.
One of the things I like about an iPhone, let's me block calls via
caller ID. That has made a big difference the past two years since I
switched.
A bigger problem for me is junk faxes in the office. Most of my subs
still use faxes for things like bids, insurance certs and invoices, so I
really need to maintain that capability. Although more and more are
switching to email just in the last year or so, if not exclusively.
Occasionally I'll call, or fax back, a local company that sends me
unsolicited fax/ads and assure them no way I'd do business with anyone
who is guilty of theft of my phone service and office supplies. About as
much effect on most of them as a popcorn fart in a hurricane, but I have
had a few apologize.
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