OT: +1 for Amazon Service, and then some

On 8/30/2014 2:37 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/30/2014 12:35 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 8/30/2014 11:08 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
>>> The Mohu leaf antenna does not work at all in this narrow valley, which
>>> is what I expected, but considered worth a try since I wasn't sure of
>>> the exact location of the transmitting towers.
>
>> If It does not work, bring it home and let me try it. If it works for
>> me I'll buy it from you "if" you want to get rid of it.
>
> It's yours. Happy Birthday!
>


Now it is not going to be a surprise. ;~( LOL

On 8/27/2014 7:57 AM, Leon wrote:

> Swingman has one, and I am probably going to get one, IIRC the mud flap
> technology antenna. Looks like a large mouse pad that you hang one the
> wall behind a picture or TV.
> My current, electricity amplified, HD antenna works great except for the
> fact that out of the 60+ over the air stations that we get in Houston
> only 2 channels are in English. ;~(

Can't believe this thread.

Mohu leaf antenna.

Think it was about $35, and I get 1080p HD OTA in Houston, much better
picture than cable since there is no signal compression.

I have Apple TV in Houston, just bought a Roku box for the lake house TV
yesterday, and was actually heading to Best Buy in Hot Springs this
morning to buy another Mohu leaf to see how/if it works here.

Only thing I miss with no cable here at the lake house is a live news
feed. Streaming Aljazera and SkyNews just don't cut it.

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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
> My current, electricity amplified, HD antenna works great except for the
> fact that out of the 60+ over the air stations that we get in Houston
> only 2 channels are in English. ;~(
>
Well, the solution is obvious. Just learn spanish! ;)

When I bought my antenna for $20, it claimed to be an HD antenna. It worke=
d OK, but was flaky from time to time, and during big storms (when I might =
be inside watching TV) it was dicey, too. I did more research and bought a=
better antenna that is mounted on top of the house, 8' in the air. I orie=
nted it using this website with a buddy of mine that helped me get it point=
ed dead on to get the channels I was interested in

http://www.antennaweb.org/

and still don't get <all> the channels available if I keep it where I can g=
et my documentaries on PBS. I also have DSL, with their "Premier" plan, wh=
ich is still quite slow. It works well 95% of the time, and when it doesn'=
t, I do my paperwork.

Robert =20

On 8/27/2014 8:24 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote
>> My current, electricity amplified, HD antenna works great except for
>> the fact that out of the 60+ over the air stations that we get in
>> Houston only 2 channels are in English. ;~(
>>
> Well, the solution is obvious. Just learn spanish! ;)
>
>

Es-span-yo, Korean, Chinese, what ever Hagee speaks. ;~)

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:09:31 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:00:02 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2014 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A few weeks ago, I bought a Unisaw w/side table legs (no side table
>>>>>> top) and Unifence, off Craigslist, for $400.... gave it to my
>>>>>> brother. Decided to order complete mobile base for it and decided
>>>>>> to order mobile bases for my 2 unisaws, as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Four packages arrived. One package was severely damaged and had
>>>>>> missing parts. The return and replacement procedure, by Amazon, was
>>>>>> pretty quick and easy, as per their online return service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never had to return an Amazon item, before, so I'm pleased with
>>>>>> their service and this online transaction.
>>>>> I bought my Unisaw from Amazon. The delivery went without a hitch, or
>>>>> so I thought. It turned out the fence rails were shipped in a second
>>>>> package that I didn't get. I called Amazon, who was *right* on it.
>>>>> They contacted the trucking company, who tracked it down, and
>>>>> delivered it a couple of days later. Amazon was all over them until I
>>>>> got it and even called back to make sure I was happy. I was suitably
>>>>> impressed. I'd not hesitate to make a major purchase like that from
>>>>> Amazon again.
>>>>>
>>>> Amazon.com definitely knows how to do it right.
>>> When I ordered a 55" TV from Amazon their "local delivery" service
>>> brought it in a truck, brought it in and unboxed it and tested it before
>>> I was asked to sign the "received" form.
>>> I was impressed too. BTW, I know 55" is considered small these days,
>>> but this was 3 years ago.
>> Yeah, decent ones are under $800 now. For that, you can't pay someone
>> to do that work.
>Yeah, the same Samsung I bought is under $800 now. I think I paid $1150.
>I have observed lately that Intel doesn't sell their old processors
>cheaply.
>They want to sell their new ones and at higher prices than in yesteryear.

Intel's marketing model is absurd. It's shocking that they've been
able to keep it going for three decades. They are a one-trick pony,
however. That model doesn't work outside the PC business. Every time
they try getting broadening their base, they fall flat on their nose.

>On another note, someone wrote yesterday that Comcast is one of the
>few companies that treat their best customers the worst (in pricing).
>I found that it interesting in that it conflicts with the way that other
>retailers
>do their pricing.

It would be interesting to see the detail behind that. Do they mean
they're raping those who have pay-channels more than those who have
the minimalist service? Well, yeah! My employer likes to make things
that other companies with lots of money want to buy and I like to work
for those with money, too. ;-)

Sonny wrote:
> A few weeks ago, I bought a Unisaw w/side table legs (no side table top) and Unifence, off Craigslist, for $400.... gave it to my brother. Decided to order complete mobile base for it and decided to order mobile bases for my 2 unisaws, as well.
>
> Four packages arrived. One package was severely damaged and had missing parts. The return and replacement procedure, by Amazon, was pretty quick and easy, as per their online return service.
>
> I've never had to return an Amazon item, before, so I'm pleased with their service and this online transaction.
>
> *While waiting for the mobile bases to arrive, I made a side table top (formica on 3/4" ply). I gave him a miter gauge, also, an extra one I had. This saw should help facilitate any woodworking I or Jonas does for him, without having to cut things, here, then haul the stuff there.
>
> My brother's woodworking skills are severely lacking. During a pause in surgery, once, we were discussing the idea of having MD (sic) behind one's name.... one of the nurses brought up the subject, with the idea being, a Dr should be intelligent enough to perform other tasks (somewhat efficiently, maybe), via self teaching in a different discipline. I commented that Bernard Fife had MD behind his name. No one knew what I was talking about, so I explained....
>
> Andy and Barney were attending a convention in Raleigh. Barney sign the registry and the attendant replied, "Welcome, Mr. Fife. Oh! I'm sorry, Dr. Fife." Andy signs in and sees Barney's signature, then walks over to Barney and asks, "What's the MD for?" Barney replies (with his famous smirky smile), "Mayberry Deputy."
>
> MDs aren't so "special", afterall! My brother thinks (sic) he plays good golf, also.
>
> Sonny
>

I agree about Amazon. A couple of months ago I ordered a printer and
it wasn't satisfactory. I printed out the return label and took the
box to UPS to be returned. Their email said I would get my refund
when it arrived at their receiving warehouse. 6 hours after shipping
it I got my refund to the credit card. I guess they received the
tracking notice and went ahead and processed the refund.

Another time they sent the wrong sized lithium batteries with a
flashlight. They said reorder it, specify 2 day shipping and they
would credit me for the order including the shipping. As for the
batteries they had sent, they said use them if I could, donate them or
throw them away--they didn't want them sent back.

--
 GW Ross 

 Find out what you can't do and don't 
 do it! (Alf) 

On 8/30/2014 11:08 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/28/2014 9:12 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> I have Apple TV in Houston, just bought a Roku box for the lake house TV
>> yesterday, and was actually heading to Best Buy in Hot Springs this
>> morning to buy another Mohu leaf to see how/if it works here.
>
> The Mohu leaf antenna does not work at all in this narrow valley, which
> is what I expected, but considered worth a try since I wasn't sure of
> the exact location of the transmitting towers.
>
> Do indeed like the Roku though. For the way we consume TV, and with a
> good broadband connection, there is not much need for anything else.
>


If It does not work, bring it home and let me try it. If it works for
me I'll buy it from you "if" you want to get rid of it.

On 8/27/2014 4:01 PM, Bill wrote:
> I'd be interested in knowing whether that works better than the rabbit
> ears. My impression was the it would have a much harder time picking up
> VHF, but that it offers (obvious) cosmetic advantages.


My understanding has been that since broadcast TV went digital, ALL the
channels are using UHF frequencies, except for a very few low power
analog community stations.


I could be wrong...

On 8/24/2014 12:03 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 08/24/2014 10:43 AM, Sonny wrote:
>
> ...[long story of satisfaction w/ shipping snafu resolution snipped
> solely for brevity]...
>
> OTOH, I've had a set of replacement carbide knives for the planer
> ordered for over two years without them being delivered -- the promised
> ship date comes and goes; get e-mail asking if still want them to which
> I faithfully continue to respond "yes, of course, or I wouldn't have
> ordered them!" and the subsequent date also comes and goes...
>
> At this point it's just a game to see if it ever will be taken care
> of...requests have gone into never-never land...
>
> Their "affiliates" idea isn't the same as the real thing was imo altho
> I've never lost any real money as they card charge was to be when
> shipped so haven't been out of pocket, just had to go elsewhere to
> actually get a set of knives.

I feel your pain<g>

It's frustrating when it happens but it would seem that Amazon (and
others) go out of their way to keep you "in the loop" and allow you the
option to hang in there or bail on the deal.

As you say, they haven't charged your CC until they ship so...

Just went through a similar deal with an otherwise great supplier.
Needed replacement blades for a commercial sized mower. Nobody seemed
to have them at a decent price but this one outfit. They usually have
it together and ship with delivery in 2-3 days.

This time they almost immediately notified me that the blades were out
of stock and "in production" at the manufacturer, estimated... etc."

Took a month to get them but in the same time frame no one else seemed
to have them either. If they aren't made and sitting around, you ain't
gonna get them. Not Amazon's fault nor the dealer I was going through.

Ca-ca happens<g>

On 8/27/2014 3:01 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 8/27/2014 6:40 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:

[snip]
>> Swingman has one, and I am probably going to get one, IIRC the mud
>> flap technology antenna. Looks like a large mouse pad that you hang
>> one the wall behind a picture or TV.
>
> I'd be interested in knowing whether that works better than the rabbit
> ears. My impression was the it would have a much harder time picking up
> VHF, but that it offers (obvious) cosmetic advantages.

We never watch OTA television any longer, but when we did, we found that
with the switch to digital broadcasting, the picture quality was
outstanding in our location compared to what we'd endured for the entire
time we have lived here.

60-65 air miles from the City of Chicago, even with a hi-gain antenna
with a powered booster, amplified distribution and a 40' tower with
rotor, quality of reception was generally mediocre at best.

When they flipped the switch and got rid of the analog signal it was great.

You may be surprised.

On 8/27/2014 6:40 AM, Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> When I bought my antenna for $20, it claimed to be an HD antenna. It
>> worked OK, but was flaky from time to time, and during big storms
>> (when I might be inside watching TV) it was dicey, too. I did more
>> research and bought a better antenna that is mounted on top of the
>> house, 8' in the air.
>
> Yes, that is obviously a better antenna. I read about antennas for 2
> days before I bought the RCA one for $10.99. A roof-top antenna is in
> another category--offer a better "line-of_sight" (I think that's the
> right word) to the source of the signal.
>
>
Swingman has one, and I am probably going to get one, IIRC the mud flap
technology antenna. Looks like a large mouse pad that you hang one the
wall behind a picture or TV.
My current, electricity amplified, HD antenna works great except for the
fact that out of the 60+ over the air stations that we get in Houston
only 2 channels are in English. ;~(

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>A few weeks ago, I bought a Unisaw w/side table legs (no side table top) and Unifence, off Craigslist, for $400.... gave it to my brother. Decided to order complete mobile base for it and decided to order mobile bases for my 2 unisaws, as well.
>
>Four packages arrived. One package was severely damaged and had missing parts. The return and replacement procedure, by Amazon, was pretty quick and easy, as per their online return service.
>
>I've never had to return an Amazon item, before, so I'm pleased with their service and this online transaction.

I bought my Unisaw from Amazon. The delivery went without a hitch, or
so I thought. It turned out the fence rails were shipped in a second
package that I didn't get. I called Amazon, who was *right* on it.
They contacted the trucking company, who tracked it down, and
delivered it a couple of days later. Amazon was all over them until I
got it and even called back to make sure I was happy. I was suitably
impressed. I'd not hesitate to make a major purchase like that from
Amazon again.

>*While waiting for the mobile bases to arrive, I made a side table top (formica on 3/4" ply). I gave him a miter gauge, also, an extra one I had. This saw should help facilitate any woodworking I or Jonas does for him, without having to cut things, here, then haul the stuff there.
>
>My brother's woodworking skills are severely lacking. During a pause in surgery, once, we were discussing the idea of having MD (sic) behind one's name.... one of the nurses brought up the subject, with the idea being, a Dr should be intelligent enough to perform other tasks (somewhat efficiently, maybe), via self teaching in a different discipline. I commented that Bernard Fife had MD behind his name. No one knew what I was talking about, so I explained....
>
>Andy and Barney were attending a convention in Raleigh. Barney sign the registry and the attendant replied, "Welcome, Mr. Fife. Oh! I'm sorry, Dr. Fife." Andy signs in and sees Barney's signature, then walks over to Barney and asks, "What's the MD for?" Barney replies (with his famous smirky smile), "Mayberry Deputy."
>
>MDs aren't so "special", afterall! My brother thinks (sic) he plays good golf, also.
>
;-)

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 05:23:15 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> So who is getting raped? To me, the whole cable/satellite issue is
>> just Comcast, Time Warner and their cronies shearing the sheep that
>> are lined up as far as the eye can see giddily waiting their turn to
>> be cut. Bitching indignantly about things to friends and family is the
>> American way, and there is little action after the chin music stops.
>> This isn't any different. Robert
>
>I did my part in clipping the cord a few years ago (as announced here)
>and barely noticed a hiccup. The $10 set of RCA rabbit ears work well
>(for most channels). The more expensive antennae people have developed
>are mostly more "cosmetic". Anyone considering the latter may do well
>to try the $10 solution first.
>
>The person (in another forum) who wrote about "best customers being
>treated worse" was making a contrast to other services such as airlines,
>where frequent flying get you a discount. With Comcast, the longer you
>are a customer, the less-likely you are to be getting a "discount",
>
>I used to think of cable as a "necessity" too. But that was before the
>Internet.

It is in my house. I'd go with Internet + Netflicks but the Internet
sucks here (and no cable at all). DSL is it, and streaming just
doesn't work.

>If I had to make a forecast, it will be that cable tv will
>become more like the Internet--in some interactive sense. Can you
>imagine Comcast buying YouTube? Scarey, huh? :)

I'd forecast the exact opposite; the Internet will become more like
cable. I guess either way, it won't be long before they're
indistinguishable. ...but I think the government
sanctioned/subsidized private monopoly is the direction the country is
going in.

On 8/28/2014 9:12 AM, Swingman wrote:

> I have Apple TV in Houston, just bought a Roku box for the lake house TV
> yesterday, and was actually heading to Best Buy in Hot Springs this
> morning to buy another Mohu leaf to see how/if it works here.

The Mohu leaf antenna does not work at all in this narrow valley, which
is what I expected, but considered worth a try since I wasn't sure of
the exact location of the transmitting towers.

Do indeed like the Roku though. For the way we consume TV, and with a
good broadband connection, there is not much need for anything else.

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On Monday, August 25, 2014 11:49:37 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:

=20
> >On another note, someone wrote yesterday that Comcast is one of the
>=20
> >few companies that treat their best customers the worst (in pricing).
>=20
> >I found that it interesting in that it conflicts with the way that other=
=20
>=20
> >retailers
>=20
> >do their pricing.

They do it because they can. American consumers are the laziest, most loud=
mouthed, self entitled sheep weenies imaginable. What would happen if sev=
eral hundred thousand people finally quit Comcast? And say that happened fo=
r a few months in a row?

What????? And be without T.V. and movies on demand????? =20

I know, I know. No one you know is a major offender because they only have=
the basic services and none of the premium channels.


> It would be interesting to see the detail behind that. Do they mean
>=20
> they're raping those who have pay-channels more than those who have
>=20
> the minimalist service? Well, yeah!

Cable subscribers deserve the treatment they put up with. I have to think =
that in every Comcast management meeting (as well as Time Warner) the execs=
just laugh and chuckle all the way through the meetings. In their wildest=
dreams they could probably never have IMAGINED a business model where year=
after year of poor service, bad programming, spotty feeds, constant price =
hikes and on an on an on... would created a national giant of subscribers t=
hat can't wait for a new season of "their shows".

I have never had cable in my entire life. Never. Never wanted it. 5 to 6 =
channels of crap was enough even thirty years ago, and I had no idea what I=
would do with 100 more. I have seen good programming on cable TV, but it =
is sparse. And probably worse now than ever, with literally hundreds of ch=
annels on the cable/satellite feeds.

I didn't say I don't watch recorded entertainment. When we all went digita=
l a few years ago, I went down and bought a high def antenna and a digital =
converter box. I don't get a lot of the channels I used to, and don't get =
NBC at all. Small loss. I wanted the antenna to get This Old House, The W=
oodright's Shop, Nova, Frontline, POV, The American Experience, and my real=
vice... 24. With those channels on board, no need for anything else on my=
slate of couch sitting.

Now, with replayer sites everywhere, paid internet sites everywhere, there =
isn't much use for cable or satellite. I don't know how their economic mod=
els will hold up, but supported by the folks that gladly pay their monthly =
subscriptions to "Keep up with the Kardashians" the are doing quite well.

A subscription to Netflix will get thousands of movies you can stream and D=
VDs you can have delivered to your door in about 3 days of ordering. And yo=
u will get thousands more with Amazon Prime. More still with Hulu Plus, et=
c., and even with all of those combined you won't hit a normal cable/satell=
ite bill.=20

Better yet, I have watched hundreds of hours of documentaries on YouTube. =
There are also some old movies, old TV shows, a fair amount of European con=
tent, tons of instructional videos and reviews, foreign films, and all mann=
er of other content, including "best of" clips from a ton of TV shows, a lo=
t of history documentaries, etc. ALL FREE.=20

So who is getting raped? To me, the whole cable/satellite issue is just Co=
mcast, Time Warner and their cronies shearing the sheep that are lined up a=
s far as the eye can see giddily waiting their turn to be cut. Bitching in=
dignantly about things to friends and family is the American way, and there=
is little action after the chin music stops. This isn't any different.

Robert=20

On 8/24/2014 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> A few weeks ago, I bought a Unisaw w/side table legs (no side table top) and Unifence, off Craigslist, for $400.... gave it to my brother. Decided to order complete mobile base for it and decided to order mobile bases for my 2 unisaws, as well.
>>
>> Four packages arrived. One package was severely damaged and had missing parts. The return and replacement procedure, by Amazon, was pretty quick and easy, as per their online return service.
>>
>> I've never had to return an Amazon item, before, so I'm pleased with their service and this online transaction.
>
> I bought my Unisaw from Amazon. The delivery went without a hitch, or
> so I thought. It turned out the fence rails were shipped in a second
> package that I didn't get. I called Amazon, who was *right* on it.
> They contacted the trucking company, who tracked it down, and
> delivered it a couple of days later. Amazon was all over them until I
> got it and even called back to make sure I was happy. I was suitably
> impressed. I'd not hesitate to make a major purchase like that from
> Amazon again.
>

Amazon.com definitely knows how to do it right.

I've made several big ticket purchases that required delivery other than
by USPS/UPS. Each and every one went off without a hitch even though in
one instance I was paying for the product and shipping it cross country
to be installed elsewhere. All went smooth as silk.

What I really like - and I've never been the beneficiary of their
efforts - is that they track questions posed by potential purchasers of
an item and they (Amazon) will forward the inquiry to folks who have
already completed a purchase of the item in the past and solicit them to
provide an answer to the potential customer's questions.

How good is that? And they don't censor the responses. I recently
responded to one such inquiry and gave an honest answer about the
product which was very good. I also happened to be aware of a promotion
currently offered to anyone making a direct purchase from the
manufacturer that knocked about 40% off the price. I spelled that out
in my response/review and they posted it in its entirety even though it
likely cost them a sale or two.

That's class!

Also, for whatever reason, their standard, free shipping seems to arrive
in the same or less time than other seller's goods do when you pay for
expedited shipping. Read somewhere that by the time you receive your
email confirmation of the order, the goods have likely been pulled from
the warehouse and are being packaged for shipment.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 23:16:50 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:49:37 -0400, krw wrote:
>
>> Do they mean they're raping those who have pay-channels more than those
>> who have the minimalist service? Well, yeah! My employer likes to make
>> things that other companies with lots of money want to buy and I like to
>> work for those with money, too. ;-)
>
>Sure better than the other way around :-).

Yeah, I wouldn't want people with a lot of money working for me!
Unfortunately, my boss doesn't either. ;-)

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:11:53 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 8/24/2014 12:03 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 08/24/2014 10:43 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>
>> ...[long story of satisfaction w/ shipping snafu resolution snipped
>> solely for brevity]...
>>
>> OTOH, I've had a set of replacement carbide knives for the planer
>> ordered for over two years without them being delivered -- the promised
>> ship date comes and goes; get e-mail asking if still want them to which
>> I faithfully continue to respond "yes, of course, or I wouldn't have
>> ordered them!" and the subsequent date also comes and goes...
>>
>> At this point it's just a game to see if it ever will be taken care
>> of...requests have gone into never-never land...
>>
>> Their "affiliates" idea isn't the same as the real thing was imo altho
>> I've never lost any real money as they card charge was to be when
>> shipped so haven't been out of pocket, just had to go elsewhere to
>> actually get a set of knives.
>
>I feel your pain<g>
>
>It's frustrating when it happens but it would seem that Amazon (and
>others) go out of their way to keep you "in the loop" and allow you the
>option to hang in there or bail on the deal.
>
>As you say, they haven't charged your CC until they ship so...
>
>Just went through a similar deal with an otherwise great supplier.
>Needed replacement blades for a commercial sized mower. Nobody seemed
>to have them at a decent price but this one outfit. They usually have
>it together and ship with delivery in 2-3 days.
>
>This time they almost immediately notified me that the blades were out
>of stock and "in production" at the manufacturer, estimated... etc."
>
>Took a month to get them but in the same time frame no one else seemed
>to have them either. If they aren't made and sitting around, you ain't
>gonna get them. Not Amazon's fault nor the dealer I was going through.

Inventory is a thing of the past. I got in an accident on vacation
about six weeks ago. They couldn't get replacement seat covers for
the car (air bags ripped them apart) for over a month. They finally
got them Friday but it may be a couple of weeks before I can get the
car (gotta fly back up to Vermont to fetch the car, too). Wife is not
happy driving a rental POS. I sure hope they cover it for the entire
time.

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 8/24/2014 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A few weeks ago, I bought a Unisaw w/side table legs (no side table
>>> top) and Unifence, off Craigslist, for $400.... gave it to my
>>> brother. Decided to order complete mobile base for it and decided
>>> to order mobile bases for my 2 unisaws, as well.
>>>
>>> Four packages arrived. One package was severely damaged and had
>>> missing parts. The return and replacement procedure, by Amazon, was
>>> pretty quick and easy, as per their online return service.
>>>
>>> I've never had to return an Amazon item, before, so I'm pleased with
>>> their service and this online transaction.
>>
>> I bought my Unisaw from Amazon. The delivery went without a hitch, or
>> so I thought. It turned out the fence rails were shipped in a second
>> package that I didn't get. I called Amazon, who was *right* on it.
>> They contacted the trucking company, who tracked it down, and
>> delivered it a couple of days later. Amazon was all over them until I
>> got it and even called back to make sure I was happy. I was suitably
>> impressed. I'd not hesitate to make a major purchase like that from
>> Amazon again.
>>
>
> Amazon.com definitely knows how to do it right.

When I ordered a 55" TV from Amazon their "local delivery" service
brought it in a truck, brought it in and unboxed it and tested it before
I was asked to sign the "received" form.
I was impressed too. BTW, I know 55" is considered small these days,
but this was 3 years ago.

Bill

>
> I've made several big ticket purchases that required delivery other
> than by USPS/UPS. Each and every one went off without a hitch even
> though in one instance I was paying for the product and shipping it
> cross country to be installed elsewhere. All went smooth as silk.
>
> What I really like - and I've never been the beneficiary of their
> efforts - is that they track questions posed by potential purchasers
> of an item and they (Amazon) will forward the inquiry to folks who
> have already completed a purchase of the item in the past and solicit
> them to provide an answer to the potential customer's questions.
>
> How good is that? And they don't censor the responses. I recently
> responded to one such inquiry and gave an honest answer about the
> product which was very good. I also happened to be aware of a
> promotion currently offered to anyone making a direct purchase from
> the manufacturer that knocked about 40% off the price. I spelled that
> out in my response/review and they posted it in its entirety even
> though it likely cost them a sale or two.
>
> That's class!
>
> Also, for whatever reason, their standard, free shipping seems to
> arrive in the same or less time than other seller's goods do when you
> pay for expedited shipping. Read somewhere that by the time you
> receive your email confirmation of the order, the goods have likely
> been pulled from the warehouse and are being packaged for shipment.
>
>

On 08/24/2014 10:43 AM, Sonny wrote:

...[long story of satisfaction w/ shipping snafu resolution snipped
solely for brevity]...

OTOH, I've had a set of replacement carbide knives for the planer
ordered for over two years without them being delivered -- the promised
ship date comes and goes; get e-mail asking if still want them to which
I faithfully continue to respond "yes, of course, or I wouldn't have
ordered them!" and the subsequent date also comes and goes...

At this point it's just a game to see if it ever will be taken care
of...requests have gone into never-never land...

Their "affiliates" idea isn't the same as the real thing was imo altho
I've never lost any real money as they card charge was to be when
shipped so haven't been out of pocket, just had to go elsewhere to
actually get a set of knives.

--

On 08/24/2014 1:11 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
...

> Took a month to get them but in the same time frame no one else seemed
> to have them either. If they aren't made and sitting around, you ain't
> gonna get them. Not Amazon's fault nor the dealer I was going through.
...

But they _are_ made and _are/were_ in stock elsewhere -- only this
vendor chooses to not deliver on the advertised price (and Amazon
doesn't do anything to call their hand is my beef w/ Amazon).

--

dpb wrote:
> On 08/24/2014 1:11 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> ...
>
>> Took a month to get them but in the same time frame no one else seemed
>> to have them either. If they aren't made and sitting around, you ain't
>> gonna get them. Not Amazon's fault nor the dealer I was going through.
> ...
>
> But they _are_ made and _are/were_ in stock elsewhere -- only this
> vendor chooses to not deliver on the advertised price (and Amazon
> doesn't do anything to call their hand is my beef w/ Amazon).
>
> --
>
I complimented Amazon on their TV delivery, but it is true that they
don't police their sellers very well. I ordered some printer toner,
only to be emailed 2 days later that the seller didn't have the brand I
ordered, but would I like them to send the generic brand one they did
have. I said no just on principle. I also phoned Amazon about it, and
they didn't seem to know what to do with the information I was providing
them. I told them, I'm trying to help you police your sellers. I was
told they would make a record of my call. So I guess, after all that,
what happened to me shouldn't happen to anyone else! : ) Glad to help!

[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:00:02 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2014 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A few weeks ago, I bought a Unisaw w/side table legs (no side table
>>>>> top) and Unifence, off Craigslist, for $400.... gave it to my
>>>>> brother. Decided to order complete mobile base for it and decided
>>>>> to order mobile bases for my 2 unisaws, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Four packages arrived. One package was severely damaged and had
>>>>> missing parts. The return and replacement procedure, by Amazon, was
>>>>> pretty quick and easy, as per their online return service.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had to return an Amazon item, before, so I'm pleased with
>>>>> their service and this online transaction.
>>>> I bought my Unisaw from Amazon. The delivery went without a hitch, or
>>>> so I thought. It turned out the fence rails were shipped in a second
>>>> package that I didn't get. I called Amazon, who was *right* on it.
>>>> They contacted the trucking company, who tracked it down, and
>>>> delivered it a couple of days later. Amazon was all over them until I
>>>> got it and even called back to make sure I was happy. I was suitably
>>>> impressed. I'd not hesitate to make a major purchase like that from
>>>> Amazon again.
>>>>
>>> Amazon.com definitely knows how to do it right.
>> When I ordered a 55" TV from Amazon their "local delivery" service
>> brought it in a truck, brought it in and unboxed it and tested it before
>> I was asked to sign the "received" form.
>> I was impressed too. BTW, I know 55" is considered small these days,
>> but this was 3 years ago.
> Yeah, decent ones are under $800 now. For that, you can't pay someone
> to do that work.
Yeah, the same Samsung I bought is under $800 now. I think I paid $1150.
I have observed lately that Intel doesn't sell their old processors
cheaply.
They want to sell their new ones and at higher prices than in yesteryear.

On another note, someone wrote yesterday that Comcast is one of the
few companies that treat their best customers the worst (in pricing).
I found that it interesting in that it conflicts with the way that other
retailers
do their pricing.

Bill

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:49:37 -0400, krw wrote:

> Do they mean they're raping those who have pay-channels more than those
> who have the minimalist service? Well, yeah! My employer likes to make
> things that other companies with lots of money want to buy and I like to
> work for those with money, too. ;-)

Sure better than the other way around :-).

[email protected] wrote:
> So who is getting raped? To me, the whole cable/satellite issue is
> just Comcast, Time Warner and their cronies shearing the sheep that
> are lined up as far as the eye can see giddily waiting their turn to
> be cut. Bitching indignantly about things to friends and family is the
> American way, and there is little action after the chin music stops.
> This isn't any different. Robert

I did my part in clipping the cord a few years ago (as announced here)
and barely noticed a hiccup. The $10 set of RCA rabbit ears work well
(for most channels). The more expensive antennae people have developed
are mostly more "cosmetic". Anyone considering the latter may do well
to try the $10 solution first.

The person (in another forum) who wrote about "best customers being
treated worse" was making a contrast to other services such as airlines,
where frequent flying get you a discount. With Comcast, the longer you
are a customer, the less-likely you are to be getting a "discount",

I used to think of cable as a "necessity" too. But that was before the
Internet. If I had to make a forecast, it will be that cable tv will
become more like the Internet--in some interactive sense. Can you
imagine Comcast buying YouTube? Scarey, huh? :)

Bill

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote

> The $10 set of RCA rabbit ears work well (for most channels). The more
> expensive antennae people have developed are mostly more "cosmetic".
> Anyone considering the latter may do well to try the $10 solution first.

Speak for your own situation, only. Try shooting an antenna at a
transmitter 90 to 95 miles away, with two large chunks of earth directly
between you and the transmitter's antenna. I have to have a narrow band
antenna of at least 17 db gain, and a good amplifier to have a chance. I
got some plans off of the internet for a Gray-Hooverman antenna that fits
the bill and is compact enough to use in your attic or on a chimney mount
mast. Even then, one of the major networks is tough to get in on some days.
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Morgans wrote:
>
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> The $10 set of RCA rabbit ears work well (for most channels). The
>> more expensive antennae people have developed are mostly more
>> "cosmetic". Anyone considering the latter may do well to try the $10
>> solution first.
>
> Speak for your own situation, only.
Yes, that's true. There is a website where you can type in your
zipcode, or address, and see all of channels you might expect to
receive. It also shows the distance to the stations. As you know, an
amplifier is another matter all together, and doesn't really improve
your "reception" at your house, but powers the signal to your tv--at
least, to the best of my knowledge.



> Try shooting an antenna at a transmitter 90 to 95 miles away, with two
> large chunks of earth directly between you and the transmitter's
> antenna. I have to have a narrow band antenna of at least 17 db gain,
> and a good amplifier to have a chance. I got some plans off of the
> internet for a Gray-Hooverman antenna that fits the bill and is
> compact enough to use in your attic or on a chimney mount mast. Even
> then, one of the major networks is tough to get in on some days.

[email protected] wrote:
> When I bought my antenna for $20, it claimed to be an HD antenna. It worked OK, but was flaky from time to time, and during big storms (when I might be inside watching TV) it was dicey, too. I did more research and bought a better antenna that is mounted on top of the house, 8' in the air.

Yes, that is obviously a better antenna. I read about antennas for 2
days before I bought the RCA one for $10.99. A roof-top antenna is in
another category--offer a better "line-of_sight" (I think that's the
right word) to the source of the signal.


> I oriented it using this website with a buddy of mine that helped me get it pointed dead on to get the channels I was interested in
>
> http://www.antennaweb.org/
>
> and still don't get <all> the channels available if I keep it where I can get my documentaries on PBS. I also have DSL, with their "Premier" plan, which is still quite slow. It works well 95% of the time, and when it doesn't, I do my paperwork.
>
> Robert

Leon wrote:
> On 8/27/2014 6:40 AM, Bill wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> When I bought my antenna for $20, it claimed to be an HD antenna. It
>>> worked OK, but was flaky from time to time, and during big storms
>>> (when I might be inside watching TV) it was dicey, too. I did more
>>> research and bought a better antenna that is mounted on top of the
>>> house, 8' in the air.
>>
>> Yes, that is obviously a better antenna. I read about antennas for 2
>> days before I bought the RCA one for $10.99. A roof-top antenna is in
>> another category--offer a better "line-of_sight" (I think that's the
>> right word) to the source of the signal.
>>
>>
> Swingman has one, and I am probably going to get one, IIRC the mud
> flap technology antenna. Looks like a large mouse pad that you hang
> one the wall behind a picture or TV.

I'd be interested in knowing whether that works better than the rabbit
ears. My impression was the it would have a much harder time picking up
VHF, but that it offers (obvious) cosmetic advantages.




> My current, electricity amplified, HD antenna works great except for
> the fact that out of the 60+ over the air stations that we get in
> Houston only 2 channels are in English. ;~(
>

Swingman wrote:
> On 8/27/2014 7:57 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Swingman has one, and I am probably going to get one, IIRC the mud
>> flap technology antenna. Looks like a large mouse pad that you hang
>> one the wall behind a picture or TV.
>> My current, electricity amplified, HD antenna works great except for
>> the fact that out of the 60+ over the air stations that we get in
>> Houston only 2 channels are in English. ;~(
>
> Can't believe this thread.
>
> Mohu leaf antenna.
>
> Think it was about $35, and I get 1080p HD OTA in Houston, much better
> picture than cable since there is no signal compression.
>
> I have Apple TV in Houston, just bought a Roku box for the lake house
> TV yesterday, and was actually heading to Best Buy in Hot Springs this
> morning to buy another Mohu leaf to see how/if it works here.
>
> Only thing I miss with no cable here at the lake house is a live news
> feed. Streaming Aljazera and SkyNews just don't cut it.

So it must be that in your metro area you have a much larger selection of
network broadcasting than we do around Syracuse. Up here in our area, we
pretty much have the big 3, plus PBS and Fox. Unfortunately, most of what
we watch on DISH is not those feeds. It's my understanding that channels
like History, CNN, ESPN, et al, are only available via the cable and
satellite carriers - right? No OTA feeds for those, correct? We really
can't count on streaming much of anything with a 3Mb DSL service, so that
option won't work for us. Time Warner will be happy to run a cable to us
and give us 15Mb service - for only $12,000. Can ya believe it?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 2014-08-28, Larry Kraus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/27/2014 4:01 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested in knowing whether that works better than the
>> rabbit ears. My impression was the it would have a much harder
>> time picking up VHF, but that it offers (obvious) cosmetic
>> advantages.
>
>
> My understanding has been that since broadcast TV went digital, ALL
> the channels are using UHF frequencies, except for a very few low
> power analog community stations.
>
> I could be wrong...

There were two VHF TV bands in the US: VHF-low (50-54, 76-88 --
channels 2-6) and VHF-high (174-216MHz -- channels 7-13).

The VHF-high band (channels 7-13) are still in use by digital TV.

There was a transition period when the existing VHF-high stations were
transmitting analog on their traditional VHF-high frequency and
digital on a _temporary_ UHF frequency. After the transition period
expired, they generally shut down the temporary UHF transmitters and
transmitted digital on their old VHF-high channel. Here in
Minneapolis/Saint Paul, KMSP is still on channel 9 and KARE is still
on channel 11, just like they used to be.

So, depending on where you live, you may need to pick an antenna that
handles both UHF and VHF-high.

--
Grant

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:00:02 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 8/24/2014 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A few weeks ago, I bought a Unisaw w/side table legs (no side table
>>>> top) and Unifence, off Craigslist, for $400.... gave it to my
>>>> brother. Decided to order complete mobile base for it and decided
>>>> to order mobile bases for my 2 unisaws, as well.
>>>>
>>>> Four packages arrived. One package was severely damaged and had
>>>> missing parts. The return and replacement procedure, by Amazon, was
>>>> pretty quick and easy, as per their online return service.
>>>>
>>>> I've never had to return an Amazon item, before, so I'm pleased with
>>>> their service and this online transaction.
>>>
>>> I bought my Unisaw from Amazon. The delivery went without a hitch, or
>>> so I thought. It turned out the fence rails were shipped in a second
>>> package that I didn't get. I called Amazon, who was *right* on it.
>>> They contacted the trucking company, who tracked it down, and
>>> delivered it a couple of days later. Amazon was all over them until I
>>> got it and even called back to make sure I was happy. I was suitably
>>> impressed. I'd not hesitate to make a major purchase like that from
>>> Amazon again.
>>>
>>
>> Amazon.com definitely knows how to do it right.
>
>When I ordered a 55" TV from Amazon their "local delivery" service
>brought it in a truck, brought it in and unboxed it and tested it before
>I was asked to sign the "received" form.
>I was impressed too. BTW, I know 55" is considered small these days,
>but this was 3 years ago.

Yeah, decent ones are under $800 now. For that, you can't pay someone
to do that work.

On 8/30/2014 12:35 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 8/30/2014 11:08 AM, Swingman wrote:

>> The Mohu leaf antenna does not work at all in this narrow valley, which
>> is what I expected, but considered worth a try since I wasn't sure of
>> the exact location of the transmitting towers.

> If It does not work, bring it home and let me try it. If it works for
> me I'll buy it from you "if" you want to get rid of it.

It's yours. Happy Birthday!

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