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Crater

30/07/2003 6:29 PM

Biscuits and a Screen Door

Hi All,
I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
but adequate.

Thanks,

Jimbo


This topic has 11 replies

BS

"Bob S."

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

31/07/2003 1:51 PM

At 5/8" thickness, I'd use half-lap joints and some poly glue - like
Gorilla. You'll need all the corner strength you can get and although a
half-lap joint isn't woodworking elegance, it is one of the strongest joints
you can use in this situation.

RS

"Rob Stokes"

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

31/07/2003 2:44 PM

Nope, do it right. Biscuits are great for alignment and for miters etc on
boxes they may add strength, but for screen doors, M&T is the only way to
go.

Good luck
Rob


"Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All,
> I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
> tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
> double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
> but adequate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jimbo

DR

"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

31/07/2003 12:31 PM

Rob Stokes wrote:
>
> Nope, do it right. Biscuits are great for alignment and for miters etc on
> boxes they may add strength, but for screen doors, M&T is the only way to
> go.

Or drawpinned M&Ts.

Either would be magnitudes stronger than necessary. Would a bridle joint be
up to the job? It's what I'm using for silkscreen frames, which must
be durable yet quickly built. Simple task with a tenon jig.

>
> Good luck
> Rob
>
> "Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
> > Hi All,
> > I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
> > tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
> > double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
> > but adequate.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jimbo

Li

Lenny

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

31/07/2003 1:57 AM

Did you mean 5/4 perhaps ?
If your using 5/8 " redwood I think I'd be inclined to try something
else .... such as half lap joints.

Lenny

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:27:53 GMT, "Steven Bliss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>It should work, but use some kind of water-resistant glue. You may have
>trouble with a double-bisquit in 5/8" material.
>"Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hi All,
>> I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
>> tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
>> double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
>> but adequate.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jimbo
>

RS

"Rob Stokes"

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

01/08/2003 2:39 AM

Below....


"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
news:3F296E90.4BE0@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com...
> Rob Stokes wrote:
> >
> > Nope, do it right. Biscuits are great for alignment and for miters etc
on
> > boxes they may add strength, but for screen doors, M&T is the only way
to
> > go.
>
> Or drawpinned M&Ts.

Good idea, I never thought of this one and I like the look of it.


>
> Either would be magnitudes stronger than necessary. Would a bridle joint
be
> up to the job? It's what I'm using for silkscreen frames, which must
> be durable yet quickly built. Simple task with a tenon jig.

If the stock is truly too thin to M&T then yes, a bridle joint would work,
but it's going to give out in time if mechancial fastening is not included
in the mix.

Good luck
Rob


>
> >
> > Good luck
> > Rob
> >
> > "Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]..
> > > Hi All,
> > > I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
> > > tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
> > > double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
> > > but adequate.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jimbo

Fp

"FOW"

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

06/08/2003 9:02 PM

How about using dowels?
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
news:3F296E90.4BE0@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com...
> Rob Stokes wrote:
> >
> > Nope, do it right. Biscuits are great for alignment and for miters etc
on
> > boxes they may add strength, but for screen doors, M&T is the only way
to
> > go.
>
> Or drawpinned M&Ts.
>
> Either would be magnitudes stronger than necessary. Would a bridle joint
be
> up to the job? It's what I'm using for silkscreen frames, which must
> be durable yet quickly built. Simple task with a tenon jig.
>
> >
> > Good luck
> > Rob
> >
> > "Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]..
> > > Hi All,
> > > I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
> > > tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
> > > double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
> > > but adequate.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jimbo

Jj

"Joe"

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

06/08/2003 10:23 PM

I would use pocket hole screws with glue on the joints. You can plug the
holes if you don't want them showing. Kreg has the plugs too. See them at
Lowes or Menards.

"FOW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How about using dowels?
> "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
> news:3F296E90.4BE0@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com...
> > Rob Stokes wrote:
> > >
> > > Nope, do it right. Biscuits are great for alignment and for miters etc
> on
> > > boxes they may add strength, but for screen doors, M&T is the only way
> to
> > > go.
> >
> > Or drawpinned M&Ts.
> >
> > Either would be magnitudes stronger than necessary. Would a bridle
joint
> be
> > up to the job? It's what I'm using for silkscreen frames, which must
> > be durable yet quickly built. Simple task with a tenon jig.
> >
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > "Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]..
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
> > > > tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
> > > > double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last
forever
> > > > but adequate.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jimbo
>
>

Cc

Crater

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

30/07/2003 7:53 PM

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:57:16 GMT, Lenny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Did you mean 5/4 perhaps ?
>If your using 5/8 " redwood I think I'd be inclined to try something
>else .... such as half lap joints.
>
>Lenny
>
>On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:27:53 GMT, "Steven Bliss" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>It should work, but use some kind of water-resistant glue. You may have
>>trouble with a double-bisquit in 5/8" material.
>>"Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi All,
>>> I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
>>> tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
>>> double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
>>> but adequate.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jimbo
>>

Yes it is actually 5/8". That is what was available when I went to
buy not shop for the lumber ;)

Also thanks for the tip on the glue.. Something I would have
overlooked. Any suggestions?

jj

james

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

31/07/2003 2:27 PM

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:31:28 -0700, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:

>Rob Stokes wrote:
>>
>> Nope, do it right. Biscuits are great for alignment and for miters etc on
>> boxes they may add strength, but for screen doors, M&T is the only way to
>> go.
>
>Or drawpinned M&Ts.
>
>Either would be magnitudes stronger than necessary. Would a bridle joint be
>up to the job? It's what I'm using for silkscreen frames, which must
>be durable yet quickly built. Simple task with a tenon jig.
>
>>
>> Good luck
>> Rob
>>
>> "Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message


Well, it looks like it will be the M&T then. Thanks for the comments.



Pn

Phisherman

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

31/07/2003 2:17 AM

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:29:16 -0700, Crater <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Hi All,
>I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
>tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
>double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
>but adequate.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jimbo

If you want the strongest joint, use mortise and tenon. It's hard to
beat, and a screen door takes a lot of beating.
:-)

SB

"Steven Bliss"

in reply to Crater on 30/07/2003 6:29 PM

31/07/2003 1:27 AM

It should work, but use some kind of water-resistant glue. You may have
trouble with a double-bisquit in 5/8" material.
"Crater" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All,
> I wanted some opinions on using biscuits in place of mortise and
> tenons on a screen door I plan to make using 5/8" redwood. Would
> double biscuits help? It is not meant to be "solid" and last forever
> but adequate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jimbo


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