A few months ago, HD was closing out K-Bodies.
Went there this morning, and they had clearence tags on their 48"
Cabinet Masters.
My local Lowe's started carrying K-Bodies, which explains why HD closed
them out. HD started carrying Cabinet Masters, which made sense as they
carry many other Adjustable Clamp products.
But now they're closing out Cabinet Masters?
Anyone know what gives?
"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message
news:WtG3d.4901$4j1.4378@trndny06...
> A few months ago, HD was closing out K-Bodies.
>
> Went there this morning, and they had clearence tags on their 48"
> Cabinet Masters.
>
> My local Lowe's started carrying K-Bodies, which explains why HD closed
> them out. HD started carrying Cabinet Masters, which made sense as they
> carry many other Adjustable Clamp products.
>
> But now they're closing out Cabinet Masters?
>
> Anyone know what gives?
Maybe they got smart and are re-introducing the k bodies. IMHO of course.
SH - the faithful k body woodworker
Michael Baglio wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:56:37 -0400, Bob G.
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I would guess (as an old retired retailer) that the profit margin and
>>turn over from these clamps is not enough for the clamps to Pay for
>>their own shelf space....
>>
>>You have to realize that each square inch of shelf space has got to
>>produce enough sales, at a given profit margin to actually pay their
>>own way...
>
> Bob, you're correct only up to a point. As a District Manager for the
> Service Group that has the responsibility for marketing the hardware
> department at Lowe's, I regularly run "sales to date" figures for
> approx. 50,000 skus. You might be suprised at how many thousands of
> items never "pay for their shelf space."
>
> The point of merchandising, (only one facet of which is changing
> product lines), is to attract enough of a customer base to generate
> sufficient sales in the highly profitable items to cover the "carrying
> costs" of the non-profitable ones. The method the "box stores" choose
> to do this is to convince the customers that: "We have everything."
> (The fact that they actually _don't_ is irrellevant. They get enough
> people in, buying enough profitable products, to cover all the odds,
> weirds, and drek that fill the rest of the shelves.) ;>
>
> Michael
> Who, did some serious headscratching, (and some minor cussin'), in
> Tool World the other day when he realized that the store didn't even
> carry a fence for the router he'd recently bought there... "How do
> you buy a router without a fence to go with it?" he asked himself. He
> answered himself, saying: "Self, you don't. You drink much too much
> coffee to use a router freehand." So... he went to Amazon.com.
> 'Cause they have everything. ;>
I've been wondering the same thing. Lowes and Home depot sell all kinds or
rouers but don't carry any edge guides or template guides and lowes carries
a few cheap skill brand bits and anything else is special order. In the
computer industry accessories are what keeps you profitable. Mark up on a
whole computer is usually in the <5% range due to stiff competition but
printer cables, ink cartridges, toner, etc are all in the 10% range. Good
salesmen will suggest buying this or that accessory with the computer they
just sold and can double their take with just a couple small ad ons. I
have send Lowes a couple e-mails asking why they don't carry accessories
and where is the straight quality lumber they advertise. They take your
zip code and send your question to the store manager closest to you who
doesn't control that aspect and he calls and apologizes but lowes as a
whole stays the same. I looked at the PC890 at lowes a couple times but
went and pair more for it at Rockler because Rockler sells accessories so
when I get around to it I can stop and get my template guides and such.
Part of the corporate insanity of today's retailing.
They put them on the shelf cause somebody convinced
a purchasing vp that they would sell MUCH better than
the Bessey products. They didn't... wrong choice...
they will probably go to the cheap chinese for a while,
then the Bessey's will make a return. The cycle seems
to be never ending.
Lowes seems to do th exact same thing....
U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles wrote:
> A few months ago, HD was closing out K-Bodies.
>
> Went there this morning, and they had clearence tags on their 48"
> Cabinet Masters.
>
> My local Lowe's started carrying K-Bodies, which explains why HD closed
> them out. HD started carrying Cabinet Masters, which made sense as they
> carry many other Adjustable Clamp products.
>
> But now they're closing out Cabinet Masters?
>
> Anyone know what gives?
>
>
"Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I've been wondering the same thing. Lowes and Home depot sell all kinds
> or
> rouers but don't carry any edge guides or template guides and lowes
> carries
> a few cheap skill brand bits and anything else is special order.
After a few trips and purchases at the big box stores you learn that they
carry lots of different items, but not always what you really need. Thee is
so much more available of greater quality or better features than what they
carry.
Few years back I visited the Pella dealer across the street from one. I
asked why I should buy from then instead of across the street. He suggested
I go see as it would just re-enforce what I was going to buy from him. Same
name, same factory, but not the same models.
Need tools? Go to Woodcraft, or Coastal Tool, or similar dealers. Same or
better prices, MUCH better selection and accessories.
Ed
I agree with Bob, along with the fact that the K-Bodies and Cabinetmaster
clamps tend to be better suited in a more specialized store. The Borgs
have a good selection of products but the products usually are not at the
far reaches of the top of the line tools unless they are fast movers. These
style clamps tend to appeal to a more select group.
Just think of how many plastic packaged screws can hang in that same space
that would being in far greater sales.
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:56:37 -0400, Bob G.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I would guess (as an old retired retailer) that the profit margin and
>turn over from these clamps is not enough for the clamps to Pay for
>their own shelf space....
>
>You have to realize that each square inch of shelf space has got to
>produce enough sales, at a given profit margin to actually pay their
>own way...
Bob, you're correct only up to a point. As a District Manager for the
Service Group that has the responsibility for marketing the hardware
department at Lowe's, I regularly run "sales to date" figures for
approx. 50,000 skus. You might be suprised at how many thousands of
items never "pay for their shelf space."
The point of merchandising, (only one facet of which is changing
product lines), is to attract enough of a customer base to generate
sufficient sales in the highly profitable items to cover the "carrying
costs" of the non-profitable ones. The method the "box stores" choose
to do this is to convince the customers that: "We have everything."
(The fact that they actually _don't_ is irrellevant. They get enough
people in, buying enough profitable products, to cover all the odds,
weirds, and drek that fill the rest of the shelves.) ;>
Michael
Who, did some serious headscratching, (and some minor cussin'), in
Tool World the other day when he realized that the store didn't even
carry a fence for the router he'd recently bought there... "How do
you buy a router without a fence to go with it?" he asked himself. He
answered himself, saying: "Self, you don't. You drink much too much
coffee to use a router freehand." So... he went to Amazon.com.
'Cause they have everything. ;>
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:41:31 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:49:09 GMT, patriarch
><<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>While all this discussion is illuminating, there appears to be a different
>>reason involved.
>>
>>Jorgenson is updating their product.
>>
>>http://www.adjustableclamp.com/barscroll.htm
>>
>
> Party pooper. OK, now who wants to talk about who really shot JFK?
>
> (To those OT fanatics and junkies here, this is a JOKE!)
>
One of Penn & Teller's books included a misdirection in the form of a
small pamphlet of Sci Fi stories purported to be by the "New England
Science Fiction Society" -- actually by P&T, with a "gimmick" related to
a trick in the book.
One of the punch lines: "It was SO obvious when I saw them on
television. Those men who were talking to Father were Jack Ruby and Lee
Oswald. I feel much better telling you about it . ."
P&T are FIRMLY on the side of "Oswald from the Texas Book Repository
building" and used to include a trick involving ballistics proof in
their act.
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:52:25 +0000, Eugene <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I've been wondering the same thing. Lowes and Home depot sell all kinds or
> rouers but don't carry any edge guides or template guides and lowes carries
> a few cheap skill brand bits and anything else is special order.
*hides his viper straight bits*
What's weird to me is that my local HD sells a PC door mortise template,
but NOT an edge guide.
Seems to me most every router buyer needs an edge guide eventually, but
I've never bought anything other than a pre-hung door
*knocks wood*
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:49:09 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:
>While all this discussion is illuminating, there appears to be a different
>reason involved.
>
>Jorgenson is updating their product.
>
>http://www.adjustableclamp.com/barscroll.htm
>
Party pooper. OK, now who wants to talk about who really shot JFK?
(To those OT fanatics and junkies here, this is a JOKE!)
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:20:46 -0700, "Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote:
>
>"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message
>news:WtG3d.4901$4j1.4378@trndny06...
>> A few months ago, HD was closing out K-Bodies.
>>
>> Went there this morning, and they had clearence tags on their 48"
>> Cabinet Masters.
>>
>> My local Lowe's started carrying K-Bodies, which explains why HD closed
>> them out. HD started carrying Cabinet Masters, which made sense as they
>> carry many other Adjustable Clamp products.
>>
>> But now they're closing out Cabinet Masters?
>>
>> Anyone know what gives?
>
>Maybe they got smart and are re-introducing the k bodies. IMHO of course.
>
>SH - the faithful k body woodworker
>
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I would guess (as an old retired retailer) that the profit margin and
turn over from these clamps is not enough for the clamps to Pay for
their own shelf space....
You have to realize that each square inch of shelf space has got to
produce enough sales, at a given profit margin to actually pay their
own way...
I have been an active woodworker for over 40 years and I only have
about 40 assorted clamps in my shop... Thus on average I only
purchased about one clamp a year...
Npw glue on the other hand is pretty cheap...and is sold in small
bottles, it is easy to handle for the store, does not take up much
shelf space. I have to buy 2-3 bottles a year . The turns (sells) of
the glue is many much more then expensive K-Body or CM Clamps..
The shelf space devoted to glue produces much more to the bottlew line
then the shelf space devoted to clamps...and some bean counter at
corporate did some math and said the clamps have to go...
Just my early morning opinion before I have had enough coffee in me to
really put my brain to work...
Bob Griffiths
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> I've been wondering the same thing. Lowes and Home depot sell all kinds
>> or
>> rouers but don't carry any edge guides or template guides and lowes
>> carries
>> a few cheap skill brand bits and anything else is special order.
>
> After a few trips and purchases at the big box stores you learn that they
> carry lots of different items, but not always what you really need. Thee
> is so much more available of greater quality or better features than what
> they carry.
>
> Few years back I visited the Pella dealer across the street from one. I
> asked why I should buy from then instead of across the street. He
> suggested
> I go see as it would just re-enforce what I was going to buy from him.
> Same name, same factory, but not the same models.
>
> Need tools? Go to Woodcraft, or Coastal Tool, or similar dealers. Same
> or better prices, MUCH better selection and accessories.
> Ed
I've started buying from the local Rockler store, even spent more for my 890
because I know they carry the accessories, asked them for the gripvac
handle, he reached around behind the display and pulled one out. I just
accepted a full time job with $BIG_BANK$ so my contracting company will be
paying me out for my unused paid time off, looks like I shall have the
plunge base soon :)
Now if I could just find a good hardware store, local ACE carries a handful
of each part buy doesn't have enough of any one thing for me to do
anything, I'm going to have to either catch the manager and see if he will
order me parts by the box or start ordering online.