Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in the
mouth, but .......
I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that 1/2
of these "articles" are ads themselves.
I am at the point that I am thinking of canceling the subscription just to
save my sanity, and maybe a tree or two Although, after everything else is
read in the "library", I give it one more try each month, only to find
myself fustrated again and again. I cannot imagine how useless this magazine
is. I am more confused as to the number of ads supporting this magazine,
meaning that someone is reading it, but who?
All I can say is never ever give this magazine as a gift, unless it is your
enemy.
Roger
TOH is on the tube now and they did something very odd. They ran
radiant heating in a wall to heat a stairway. No protection plate on
top of the tubing, what will happen when someone hangs a picture and the
screw puts a hole in the tubing??? Mark L.
Roger L wrote:
> Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
>
> More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
>
> I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in the
> mouth, but .......
> I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
> impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that 1/2
> of these "articles" are ads themselves.
>
> I am at the point that I am thinking of canceling the subscription just to
> save my sanity, and maybe a tree or two Although, after everything else is
> read in the "library", I give it one more try each month, only to find
> myself fustrated again and again. I cannot imagine how useless this magazine
> is. I am more confused as to the number of ads supporting this magazine,
> meaning that someone is reading it, but who?
>
> All I can say is never ever give this magazine as a gift, unless it is your
> enemy.
>
> Roger
>
>
It's just PEX tubing with a sheet of aluminum to radiate the heat into
the wall. Even if it's halfway into the stud, people use long screws to
hold things up. Mark L.
Tom wrote:
> Mark wrote:>TOH is on the tube now and they did something very odd. They ran
>
>>radiant heating in a wall to heat a stairway. No protection plate on
>>top of the tubing, what will happen when someone hangs a picture and the
>>screw puts a hole in the tubing??? Mark L.
>>
>>
> I thought I noticed that, but assumed they put the exposed tubing deep enough
> into the stud. Dunno what the radiator's made of, or whether it'll stop a nail
> or screw. Tom
> Work at your leisure!
Mark wrote:>TOH is on the tube now and they did something very odd. They ran
>radiant heating in a wall to heat a stairway. No protection plate on
>top of the tubing, what will happen when someone hangs a picture and the
>screw puts a hole in the tubing??? Mark L.
>
>>
I thought I noticed that, but assumed they put the exposed tubing deep enough
into the stud. Dunno what the radiator's made of, or whether it'll stop a nail
or screw. Tom
Work at your leisure!
I have always appreciated gifts given by those who wish to please me.
Usually chosen according to my interests. All of the magazines with pictures
offer great awareness to new products and amazing imagination. Many items
that can be utilized in as many different ways you would otherwise never be
exposed to. Just my opinion.........
--
Chipper Wood
useours, yours won't work
"Roger L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
>
> More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
>
> I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in
the
> mouth, but .......
> I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
> impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that
1/2
> of these "articles" are ads themselves.
>
> I am at the point that I am thinking of canceling the subscription just to
> save my sanity, and maybe a tree or two Although, after everything else
is
> read in the "library", I give it one more try each month, only to find
> myself fustrated again and again. I cannot imagine how useless this
magazine
> is. I am more confused as to the number of ads supporting this magazine,
> meaning that someone is reading it, but who?
>
> All I can say is never ever give this magazine as a gift, unless it is
your
> enemy.
>
> Roger
>
>
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:44:53 -0400, "Lee Gordon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
|This may come as a shock to the conspiracy theorists, but there really is no
|secret microchip embedded in the magazine beaming information back to the
|publisher, the government, or the tri-lateral commission.
True so far, but it won't be long [g].
Your Michellin tires (tyres) have rfid chips in them now so when
you're driving home from Walmart with your new Gillette razor and a
package of Kimberly-Clark butt wipe (all soon to have rfid chips) and
you drive by the sensors designed to read the OBD computer in your new
car they've gotcha.
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:41 -0700, Wes <n7ws@_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Your Michellin tires (tyres) have rfid chips in them now
Oh good, another reason (aside from absolutely crap rain performance)
to avoid Michelin tires. "All season" my ass - they're not even good
in any of 'em, let alone all of 'em. Ahem, sorry for the rant (a little).
I stopped buying it about a year ago. I got sick of the same seasonal
articles year after year - Norm cleans his gutters, basic (and I mean basic)
equipment you'll need for spring - like a lawn mower and trimmer, etc.
Very little substance. And like someone else said - occasionally, you see a
pic that gives you good ideas, but you certainly get sick of all the
ridiculously high-end make overs they do.
I guess the magazine (and generally the show) doesn't have much for me
anymore.
Now, if you wanna see something interesting that is got a foot-hold in
reality, check out that Mike Holmes show (HGTV - Holmes on Homes) - this guy
is great. Knows his stuff and the projects are certainly things facing the
average homeowner.
Just my $.02 worth (I wish there was a cents key).
Brian
"Kyle Boatright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Roger L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
> >
> > More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
> >
> > I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in
> the
> > mouth, but .......
> > I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
> > impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that
> 1/2
> > of these "articles" are ads themselves.
> >
> <<<snip>>>
> > Roger
>
> I find the magazine to be a well packaged and relatively "slick"
> publication. However, I generally agree with you that the useful content
is
> very low (and the ad content is very high) for such a high priced
magazine.
> I buy it off the rack from time to time if an article interests me. With
> such limited useful content, it only takes about 15 minutes to go cover to
> cover, and I don't buy the magazine very often. Reminds me of a lot of
> woodworking magazines.
>
>
> KB
>
>
Roger:
Re: TOH Magazine
I used to enjoy the magazine as much as enjoyed the show.
However, both are getting a bit repititous (sp?). I still
like the show but have stopped the magazine.
I'd scan it when it comes in, read what Norm, Tom, Rich
have to say and then that's it. I used to read the articles
about the house projects but you know, they are are
out of date by the time I see them because the show
airs ahead of the publication date. Also, I don't
find any useful advice. I much prefer, as do others,
Fine Homebuilding. Albeit, it's geard towards the trades
but lots of good stuff year in and out. I pick up
occasionally.
TOH is celebrating their 25th anniversary this year and boy
have they ever changed the TV landscape. I wish them
well and look forward to the future, but I'm not
getting the magazine anymore.
MJ Wallace
Roger ...
<<I am at the point that I am thinking of canceling the subscription just to
save my sanity, and maybe a tree or two Although, after everything else is
read in the "library", I give it one more try each month, only to find
myself fustrated again and again. I cannot imagine how useless this magazine
is. I am more confused as to the number of ads supporting this magazine,
meaning that someone is reading it, but who?>>
This may come as a shock to the conspiracy theorists, but there really is no
secret microchip embedded in the magazine beaming information back to the
publisher, the government, or the tri-lateral commission. When the next
issue arrives in your mailbox, toss it in the trash. No one will find out.
<g>
Lee
--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"
"Roger L" <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:
>Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
<snip>
I subscibed for one year and have not renewed. It is thin on content but
good for reading in the library (WC). Ambivalent about reupping. It is
designed for the novice. A while ago (long while) I subscibed to Fine
Homebuilding, seemingly aimed at the small contractor; I'm neither a novice
or a contractor so I'll suffer along without a magazine :)
Jerry
"Roger L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
I bought their special"Essential Home Repair" guide. It had some nice tips
and was fun to read. On the other hand, not everything in there was DIY.
Lots of it dealt with getting contractors to do the work. I find the
magazine to be similar, but more so. Much like the show, it delves into lots
of fancy stuff you can't afford. It's more for people with a home
improvement budget than serious DIYers.
It's fun and useful to see Norm discovering rot on in the frame of a 19th
century house. Beyond that, we seem to be dealing with product placement.
--Scott
I agree....I got it for a "free trial" and ended it immediately. Still
ended up with about a year's worth of magazines though.
My two favorite (albeit expensive) magazines are "Fine Homebuilding" and
"Fine Woodworking" -- excellent articles, very throurough. There are more
ads than I like, but still hands down the best mags in my opinion.
Chris, Iowa
"Roger L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
>
> More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
>
> I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in
the
> mouth, but .......
> I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
> impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that
1/2
> of these "articles" are ads themselves.
>
> I am at the point that I am thinking of canceling the subscription just to
> save my sanity, and maybe a tree or two Although, after everything else
is
> read in the "library", I give it one more try each month, only to find
> myself fustrated again and again. I cannot imagine how useless this
magazine
> is. I am more confused as to the number of ads supporting this magazine,
> meaning that someone is reading it, but who?
>
> All I can say is never ever give this magazine as a gift, unless it is
your
> enemy.
>
> Roger
>
>
Cromwell writes:
>My two favorite (albeit expensive) magazines are "Fine Homebuilding" and
>"Fine Woodworking" -- excellent articles, very throurough.
I agree.
>There are more
>ads than I like, but still hands down the best mags in my opinion.
This comment always gives me a headache. Magazines are not public services paid
for by your tax dollars, nor do your subscription fees pay for a great deal
more than the paper and mailing costs--if that. These are profit-making
corporations (they hope) and ads make up the color photos and the writing that
are dropped onto the other pages for your edification. You'd be paying 3-4
times the sub cost without them, possibly more, if the magazines were available
at all.
Charlie Self
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to." Dorothy Parker
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:16:14 -0600, Charlie Self wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> Cromwell writes:
>
>> My two favorite (albeit expensive) magazines are "Fine Homebuilding" and
>> "Fine Woodworking" -- excellent articles, very throurough.
>
> I agree.
>
>> There are more
>> ads than I like, but still hands down the best mags in my opinion.
>
> This comment always gives me a headache. Magazines are not public services
> paid
> for by your tax dollars, nor do your subscription fees pay for a great deal
> more than the paper and mailing costs--if that. These are profit-making
> corporations (they hope) and ads make up the color photos and the writing
> that
> are dropped onto the other pages for your edification. You'd be paying 3-4
> times the sub cost without them, possibly more, if the magazines were
> available
> at all.
Agreed! just look at the cost of most all (ad-less) professional journals....
-Bruce
>
> Charlie Self
> "If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he
> gave
> it to." Dorothy Parker
>
>
>
On 19 Jun 2004 09:16:14 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Cromwell writes:
>
>>My two favorite (albeit expensive) magazines are "Fine Homebuilding" and
>>"Fine Woodworking" -- excellent articles, very throurough.
>
>I agree.
>
>>There are more
>>ads than I like, but still hands down the best mags in my opinion.
>
>This comment always gives me a headache. Magazines are not public services paid
>for by your tax dollars, nor do your subscription fees pay for a great deal
>more than the paper and mailing costs--if that. These are profit-making
>corporations (they hope) and ads make up the color photos and the writing that
>are dropped onto the other pages for your edification. You'd be paying 3-4
>times the sub cost without them, possibly more, if the magazines were available
>at all.
>
>Charlie Self
understood.
however, as a buyer I don't have to like it.
if a magazine has too many ads, I don't buy it. the business folks at
the magazine have to understand this and find the right balance- pay
for their costs and still produce something I'm willing to carry home.
a free magazine with no content beyond advertisement has *negative*
value to me....
On 19 Jun 2004 09:16:14 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
calmly ranted:
>Cromwell writes:
>
>>My two favorite (albeit expensive) magazines are "Fine Homebuilding" and
>>"Fine Woodworking" -- excellent articles, very throurough.
>
>I agree.
>
>>There are more
>>ads than I like, but still hands down the best mags in my opinion.
>
>This comment always gives me a headache. Magazines are not public services paid
>for by your tax dollars, nor do your subscription fees pay for a great deal
>more than the paper and mailing costs--if that. These are profit-making
>corporations (they hope) and ads make up the color photos and the writing that
>are dropped onto the other pages for your edification. You'd be paying 3-4
>times the sub cost without them, possibly more, if the magazines were available
>at all.
That's unfortunately true. But I wish they'd stop putting in
a gazillion blow-in cardboard ads and those thick ad pages
which prevent you from thumbing through the g*dd*mn*d magazine
to get to the page you finally found after going through 11
pages of ads in the front to find the TOC.
I actually like to see ads in most of the mags because they give
me ideas for new jigs, show me prices for tools I may want, etc.
Then again, mags like ShopNotes and WoodSmith are nice without
all the ads. Note that they're competitively priced, too, but
don't have any of the editorial content of the rest. Tradeoffs.
--== May The Angst Be With You! ==--
-Yoda, on a bad day
--
http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst.
Larry Jaques responds:
>That's unfortunately true. But I wish they'd stop putting in
>a gazillion blow-in cardboard ads and those thick ad pages
>which prevent you from thumbing through the g*dd*mn*d magazine
>to get to the page you finally found after going through 11
>pages of ads in the front to find the TOC.
Me, too. AFAIAC, TOC belongs in the first 3 pages, with masthead either
adjacent to or right behind. I used to mail the blow-in cards back. Just drop
'em in the box. I quit doing that because I think the PO tosses blank ones.
>I actually like to see ads in most of the mags because they give
>me ideas for new jigs, show me prices for tools I may want, etc.
Agreed.
>
>Then again, mags like ShopNotes and WoodSmith are nice without
>all the ads. Note that they're competitively priced, too, but
>don't have any of the editorial content of the rest. Tradeoffs.
There's usually enough good to excellent editorial to make me wonder how they
make a profit, but, then, I've never been good at business. My bank balance
proves that. I think part of it has to do with the range of articles in each
issue, with each related to the other in Woodsmith, and nearly so in ShopNotes.
Works for them. Workbench takes ads, and evidently does quite well, too. From
the little I know--and it IS little--August Home is a very healthy company. I
hope they stay that way forever.
Charlie Self
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to." Dorothy Parker
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:21:33 -0400, "Roger L" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
>
>More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
>
>I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in the
>mouth, but .......
>I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
>impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that 1/2
>of these "articles" are ads themselves.
>
>I am at the point that I am thinking of canceling the subscription
do it here:
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>just to
>save my sanity, and maybe a tree or two Although, after everything else is
>read in the "library", I give it one more try each month, only to find
>myself fustrated again and again. I cannot imagine how useless this magazine
>is. I am more confused as to the number of ads supporting this magazine,
>meaning that someone is reading it, but who?
>
>All I can say is never ever give this magazine as a gift, unless it is your
>enemy.
>
>Roger
>
"Roger L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
>
> More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
>
> I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in
the
> mouth, but .......
> I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
> impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that
1/2
> of these "articles" are ads themselves.
>
<<<snip>>>
> Roger
I find the magazine to be a well packaged and relatively "slick"
publication. However, I generally agree with you that the useful content is
very low (and the ad content is very high) for such a high priced magazine.
I buy it off the rack from time to time if an article interests me. With
such limited useful content, it only takes about 15 minutes to go cover to
cover, and I don't buy the magazine very often. Reminds me of a lot of
woodworking magazines.
KB
It's only good for design ideas for me. I get tired of hearing about
imported tiles from Upper Slobovia, wood imported from the holy monks of
Tibet, or driveway boulders imported from the lunar surface. OK, that's
exaggerating, but sometimes they do go overboard. But the pix are good
for ideas..... that's about all for me. Mark L.
Roger L wrote:
> Does anyone else get the This Old House Magazine?
>
> More specifically does it make anyone else sick when they read it?
>
> I received a 5 year subscription as a gift. Not to look a gift horse in the
> mouth, but .......
> I really cannot stand reading it. 90% of the magazine is ads, making it
> impossible to follow. Of the remaing 10% that are articles, I find that 1/2
> of these "articles" are ads themselves.
>
> I am at the point that I am thinking of canceling the subscription just to
> save my sanity, and maybe a tree or two Although, after everything else is
> read in the "library", I give it one more try each month, only to find
> myself fustrated again and again. I cannot imagine how useless this magazine
> is. I am more confused as to the number of ads supporting this magazine,
> meaning that someone is reading it, but who?
>
> All I can say is never ever give this magazine as a gift, unless it is your
> enemy.
>
> Roger
>
>
Bob Martin responds:
>Wood Butcher wrote:
>> On a windows machine hold down the alt key and
>> (using the numeric keypad) type 0162 then release
>> the alt key.
>>
>> My 2¢.
>>
>> Art
>
>depends on your code-page.
It must...the line above contains what my machine types with Alt-0162.
Zip.
Charlie Self
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to." Dorothy Parker
On a windows machine hold down the alt key and
(using the numeric keypad) type 0162 then release
the alt key.
My 2¢.
Art
"Brian L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
>
> Just my $.02 worth (I wish there was a cents key).
>