LH

"Lew Hodgett"

28/10/2007 10:41 PM

RE: Recommended finishes for (outdoor) oak threshhold?

Blueman wrote:

Looking for recommendations for finishing and protecting an outside
oak threshhold.

I am looking for a light or clear finish that will last, require
minimum maintenance, and hold up well against outside weather.


You had to ask.

About 3-4 coats of epoxy followed by a couiple of coats of poly or varnish
that contain UV inhibitors.

When the poly wears down, sand lightly and recoat to protect the epoxy.

Lew



This topic has 13 replies

nn

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

28/10/2007 11:46 PM

On Oct 28, 11:41 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> About 3-4 coats of epoxy followed by a couiple of >coats of poly or varnish that contain UV inhibitors.
>
> When the poly wears down, sand lightly and recoat to >protect the epoxy.

*chuckle* ...

Spoken like true boat restorer.


Robert

ww

wem3rd

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

29/10/2007 5:02 AM

On Oct 29, 2:46 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Oct 28, 11:41 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > About 3-4 coats of epoxy followed by a couiple of >coats of poly or varnish that contain UV inhibitors.
>
> > When the poly wears down, sand lightly and recoat to >protect the epoxy.
>
> *chuckle* ...
>
> Spoken like true boat restorer.
>
> Robert

Red Oak is very porous and would be a poor choice for an out door
threshold. Boat builders are keenly aware of this. White Oak is
better.

cc

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

29/10/2007 8:35 AM

On Oct 29, 6:02 am, wem3rd <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 29, 2:46 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 28, 11:41 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > About 3-4 coats of epoxy followed by a couiple of >coats of poly or varnish that contain UV inhibitors.
>
> > > When the poly wears down, sand lightly and recoat to >protect the epoxy.
>
> > *chuckle* ...
>
> > Spoken like true boat restorer.
>
> > Robert
>
> Red Oak is very porous and would be a poor choice for an out door
> threshold. Boat builders are keenly aware of this. White Oak is
> better.

What is the epoxy for? And why 3-4 coats? If the purpose is to
"plasticize" the wood, then would not a porous species such as red oak
be the better choice?
Would not thinned long oil spar varnish provide better penetration,
flexibility and heat resistance on a dense species such as white oak?
I know there are alot of epoxy formulations, it might be helpful to be
more specific (system3, w.e.s.t, etc)

nn

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

29/10/2007 11:08 AM

On Oct 29, 6:02 am, wem3rd <[email protected]> wrote:

> Red Oak is very porous and would be a poor choice for > an out door threshold. Boat builders are keenly aware > of this. White Oak is better.

Well, I must have missed a post. I looked at OP's post and saw
nothing mentioning red oak. He did not.

Besides, using Lew's system you could probably use ANY kind of wood
you wanted, including hard pine. Besides, how do you know the
threshold isn't permanently installed at this time, making the change
of wood out of the question?

Robert




LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

29/10/2007 12:40 AM


<[email protected]> wrote

> *chuckle* ...
>
> Spoken like true boat restorer.

If it works for teak, it will work for oak.<G>

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

29/10/2007 8:17 PM


"blueman" wrote:

> Yes. Threshold is existing - installed by previous owner.
Independent
> of exact wood type, I am looking for a strong hardy finish :)

That's what I gave you.

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

30/10/2007 9:37 PM


"blueman" wrote:


> One further question.
> What type of epoxy?

Standard laminating resin.

> I have some System 3, RotFix "low viscosity epoxy sealer" which is
> made for stabilizing rotten wood.

Sounds like a version of "Git Rot", a very low viscosity resin.

Probably so runny it would be a total PITA for this application.

> Would that be a good choice or do I need another special epoxy.

I would just use some standard laminatingn resin applied with a chip
brush.

MIx up about 4 ounces at a time unless this is a VERY big threshold.

Harbor Freight sells 2" chip brushes in boxes of 12 for less than
$3.00/box on sale.

Use and pitch, they are not worth trying to clean.

Have fun.

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

31/10/2007 8:59 PM


"Max" wrote:

> Where can I get "standard laminating resin"? The Borg??

Not a borg item.

Anyplace that sells WEST, System 3, Raka, just to name a few
suppliers.

Any place close to a West Marine?

If not, it's Google time.

Lew


Mt

"Max"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

01/11/2007 9:32 AM


"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Max" wrote:
>
>> Where can I get "standard laminating resin"? The Borg??
>
> Not a borg item.
>
> Anyplace that sells WEST, System 3, Raka, just to name a few
> suppliers.
>
> Any place close to a West Marine?
>
> If not, it's Google time.
>
> Lew

Roger that. No West Marine around here. (El Paso) (no water) <G>

Max

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

29/10/2007 3:49 PM

[email protected] wrote:
> On Oct 29, 6:02 am, wem3rd <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Oct 29, 2:46 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 28, 11:41 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> About 3-4 coats of epoxy followed by a couiple of >coats of
>>>> poly
>>>> or varnish that contain UV inhibitors.
>>
>>>> When the poly wears down, sand lightly and recoat to >protect
>>>> the
>>>> epoxy.
>>
>>> *chuckle* ...
>>
>>> Spoken like true boat restorer.
>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Red Oak is very porous and would be a poor choice for an out door
>> threshold. Boat builders are keenly aware of this. White Oak is
>> better.
>
> What is the epoxy for? And why 3-4 coats? If the purpose is to
> "plasticize" the wood, then would not a porous species such as red
> oak
> be the better choice?
> Would not thinned long oil spar varnish provide better penetration,
> flexibility and heat resistance on a dense species such as white
> oak?
> I know there are alot of epoxy formulations, it might be helpful to
> be
> more specific (system3, w.e.s.t, etc)

A threshold is going to get walked on, regularly. Spar varnish isn't
going to hold up very long in that service.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Mt

"Max"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

01/11/2007 3:22 AM


"Lew Hodgett" wrote

> I would just use some standard laminatingn resin applied with a chip
> brush.
>
> MIx up about 4 ounces at a time unless this is a VERY big threshold.

> Have fun.
>
> Lew

Where can I get "standard laminating resin"? The Borg??

Max

bN

blueman

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

30/10/2007 3:01 AM

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
> On Oct 29, 6:02 am, wem3rd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Red Oak is very porous and would be a poor choice for > an out door threshold. Boat builders are keenly aware > of this. White Oak is better.
>
> Well, I must have missed a post. I looked at OP's post and saw
> nothing mentioning red oak. He did not.
>
> Besides, using Lew's system you could probably use ANY kind of wood
> you wanted, including hard pine. Besides, how do you know the
> threshold isn't permanently installed at this time, making the change
> of wood out of the question?
>
> Robert

Yes. Threshold is existing - installed by previous owner. Independent
of exact wood type, I am looking for a strong hardy finish :)

bN

blueman

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 28/10/2007 10:41 PM

31/10/2007 3:34 AM

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> writes:

> Blueman wrote:
>
> Looking for recommendations for finishing and protecting an outside
> oak threshhold.
>
> I am looking for a light or clear finish that will last, require
> minimum maintenance, and hold up well against outside weather.
>
>
> You had to ask.
>
> About 3-4 coats of epoxy followed by a couiple of coats of poly or varnish
> that contain UV inhibitors.
>
> When the poly wears down, sand lightly and recoat to protect the epoxy.
>
> Lew

Thanks Lew.
One further question.
What type of epoxy?
I have some System 3, RotFix "low viscosity epoxy sealer" which is
made for stabilizing rotten wood.
Would that be a good choice or do I need another special epoxy.

Thanks


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