OK, this has absolutely nothing to do with woodworking or the wreck, but
I had to share it with someone and the audio groups all officially suck.
Test-riding a new bike yeseterday, when I happened to go past a house which
had put out its recycling for pickup the next morning.
On top of the plastic nut buckets (Costco things--recognise 'em a mile away)
and the carefully washed tin cans was a chunk of audio gear. Pulled out a
shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver, circa 1978.
Works a treat--not even a burnt out bulb. Hmm. Maybe I'll put it in the
shop--that would almost make this an official woodworking gloat.
Colin
On Aug 12, 1:32=A0pm, "charlie" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Aug 12, 11:11 am, "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Andrew Barss <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Colin B. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > : Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > :> I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryst=
on)
> > > :> for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the fine=
st
> > > :> transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
> > > :> people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
> > > :> electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
> > > :>
> > > :>http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
> > > :>
> > > :> From Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
> > > :>http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
>
> > > : Yep. I've alwayas liked the fact that they're one of the very very
> > > : few audiophile gear manufacturers who don't rely on unstable
> > > electronics,
> > > : secret parts, fairy dust, or outright magic to create their mystiqu=
e.
> > > : Instead, they massively over-design, over-engineer, build precisely=
,
> > > and
> > > : then publish their schematics! Gotta love it.
>
> > > But since all amps these days sound the same (when properly matched f=
or
> > > output level),
> > > why would one want to spend $2650 for their entry-level amp?
> > > Why not get a $250 Onkyo, and spend the rest on a killer set of
> > > speakers?
>
> > Well, Robatoy summed it up in one sentence:
> > "Properly designed amplifiers all sound the same when
> > operating in their envelope."
>
> > Those two conditions aren't trivial to achieve. (But neither are they
> > impossible, as some would have you believe.)
>
> > The nice thing about Bryston et al is that they are SO well designed (a=
nd
> > implemented) that they are going to be operating within their envelope
> > no matter what you throw at them. Reactive loads, impedance mismatches
> > or capacitive loading on the input, Brystons just don't care. Signal in=
,
> > bigger signal out. That's what they do. Onkyo makes (or at least, used
> > to make) decent gear, but I'm not sure I'd count on it to drive
> > electrostatics. In fact, my B&W would probably have a hard time with th=
em.
>
> > Colin
>
> And the Brystons do it with minimal internal feedback. A simple Zobel
> network on a cross-over won't alter the linearity of the frequency
> response, but yet it is audible mostly because it makes the load to
> the amplifier a lot friendlier (resistive at low impedance.)
>
> Onkyo, for a short while, was an upscale product with some of the
> right ideas. It became a 'brand' and like so many others, the 'brand'
> was slapped on anything being spewed forth by the chiwainese
> electronics monster. There are very few brands that stayed the course
> in terms of integrity. Harman Kardon, Denon come to mind. In fact all
> things handled by Harman International.
>
> That's my opinion about consumer electronics, loudspeakers are a whole
> different kettle of fish.
> A pair of Muons would look nice at my house. As soon as I gather up an
> unused $ 140,000http://www.kef.com/products/muon/
>
> r
>
> --
>
> this is a ww group. i'm holding out for a pair of thesehttp://www.genesis=
loudspeakers.com/g1p1.html
Those look a lot like Infinity IRS speakers. I'm not a big fan of
interrupted line-sources.
On Aug 11, 4:35=A0pm, "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryston)
> > for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the finest
> > transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
> > people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
> > electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
>
> >http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
>
> > From Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
> >http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
>
> Yep. I've alwayas liked the fact that they're one of the very very
> few audiophile gear manufacturers who don't rely on unstable electronics,
> secret parts, fairy dust, or outright magic to create their mystique.
> Instead, they massively over-design, over-engineer, build precisely, and
> then publish their schematics! Gotta love it.
>
> Colin
A lot of the philosophy behind their designs was confirmed by the
findings of Dr. Floyd E. Toole.
All well designed POWER amplifiers sound the same, until driven into
distraction. Input over-load, complex impedance on the output drivers,
output overload etc. Some manufacturers stabilise their shoddy
amplifiers by applying gobs of feedback resulting in odd-order
harmonic distortion (a component of THD).
Properly designed amplifiers all sound the same when operating in
their envelope.
>
> On top of the plastic nut buckets (Costco things--recognise 'em a mile away)
> and the carefully washed tin cans was a chunk of audio gear. Pulled out a
> shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver, circa 1978.
>
Yeah! I remember Marantz. Nice quality stuff. Too bad they didn't
throw out some of those big ole humongous speakers we were prone to
use in the 70's to go with it.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
A pair of Muons would look nice at my house. As soon as I gather up an
unused $ 140,000
http://www.kef.com/products/muon/
I don't know. After coming home from a long hard day at work and seeing a
pair of those, I'd think I was experiencing an acid flashback.
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 6:27?am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > I love old audio gear like that. But I like TOOOBS!
>>
>> Knowing your warped mind, you may be thinking of something else when you say
>> "TOOOBS!", but my first thought when I was his message was to wonder what
>> the tubes would sell for.
>
> Nope, nothing sinister. Just a kick-in-the-nuts-grade reminder that
> trading a Marantz 7C for a pair of Bryston 4B's wasn't the best move I
> ever made, but HAD to as the 7C wouldn't give me adequate sound levels
> through the electrostatics I was using at the time. Collectors pay
> silly money for TOOOBS from justabout any manufacturer of that
> vintage.
Whew. Still holding out for the 4B in my system.
On Aug 12, 11:11=A0am, "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andrew Barss <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Colin B. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > : Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > :> I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryston=
)
> > :> for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the finest
> > :> transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
> > :> people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
> > :> electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
> > :>
> > :>http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
> > :>
> > :> From Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
> > :>http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
>
> > : Yep. I've alwayas liked the fact that they're one of the very very
> > : few audiophile gear manufacturers who don't rely on unstable electron=
ics,
> > : secret parts, fairy dust, or outright magic to create their mystique.
> > : Instead, they massively over-design, over-engineer, build precisely, =
and
> > : then publish their schematics! Gotta love it.
>
> > But since all amps these days sound the same (when properly matched for=
output level),
> > why would one want to spend $2650 for their entry-level amp?
> > Why not get a $250 Onkyo, and spend the rest on a killer set of speaker=
s?
>
> Well, Robatoy summed it up in one sentence:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "Properly designed amplifiers all sound the same when
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0operating in their envelope."
>
> Those two conditions aren't trivial to achieve. (But neither are they
> impossible, as some would have you believe.)
>
> The nice thing about Bryston et al is that they are SO well designed (and
> implemented) that they are going to be operating within their envelope
> no matter what you throw at them. Reactive loads, impedance mismatches
> or capacitive loading on the input, Brystons just don't care. Signal in,
> bigger signal out. That's what they do. Onkyo makes (or at least, used
> to make) decent gear, but I'm not sure I'd count on it to drive
> electrostatics. In fact, my B&W would probably have a hard time with them=
.
>
> Colin
And the Brystons do it with minimal internal feedback. A simple Zobel
network on a cross-over won't alter the linearity of the frequency
response, but yet it is audible mostly because it makes the load to
the amplifier a lot friendlier (resistive at low impedance.)
Onkyo, for a short while, was an upscale product with some of the
right ideas. It became a 'brand' and like so many others, the 'brand'
was slapped on anything being spewed forth by the chiwainese
electronics monster. There are very few brands that stayed the course
in terms of integrity. Harman Kardon, Denon come to mind. In fact all
things handled by Harman International.
That's my opinion about consumer electronics, loudspeakers are a whole
different kettle of fish.
A pair of Muons would look nice at my house. As soon as I gather up an
unused $ 140,000
http://www.kef.com/products/muon/
r
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Do you recall Ring Audio on Irwin, there, Dave?
Irwin Ave is only four blocks from where I live. I can't remember ever
seeing a Ring Audio there, but there is a Ring Audio near Queen and
Broadview. I've been in there before, but never had the money to buy. It was
always fun to window shop though.
charlie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> And the Brystons do it with minimal internal feedback. A simple Zobel
> network on a cross-over won't alter the linearity of the frequency
> response, but yet it is audible mostly because it makes the load to
> the amplifier a lot friendlier (resistive at low impedance.)
>
> Onkyo, for a short while, was an upscale product with some of the
> right ideas. It became a 'brand' and like so many others, the 'brand'
> was slapped on anything being spewed forth by the chiwainese
> electronics monster. There are very few brands that stayed the course
> in terms of integrity. Harman Kardon, Denon come to mind. In fact all
> things handled by Harman International.
>
> That's my opinion about consumer electronics, loudspeakers are a whole
> different kettle of fish.
> A pair of Muons would look nice at my house. As soon as I gather up an
> unused $ 140,000
> http://www.kef.com/products/muon/
>
>
> this is a ww group. i'm holding out for a pair of these
> http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/g1p1.html
Nah. From a pure woodworking perspect, Moth wins hands down:
http://www.mothmuseum.com/mothaudio/products2.html
On Aug 8, 8:37=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:sp2nk.120382$kx.53102@pd7urf3no...
>
>
>
> > OK, this has absolutely nothing to do with woodworking or the wreck, bu=
t
> > I had to share it with someone and the audio groups all officially suck=
.
>
> > Test-riding a new bike yeseterday, when I happened to go past a house
> > which
> > had put out its recycling for pickup the next morning.
>
> > On top of the plastic nut buckets (Costco things--recognise 'em a mile
> > away)
> > and the carefully washed tin cans was a chunk of audio gear. Pulled out=
a
> > shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver, circa 1978.
>
> > Works a treat--not even a burnt out bulb. Hmm. Maybe I'll put it in the
> > shop--that would almost make this an official woodworking gloat.
>
> > Colin
>
> Damn!
>
> That would bring hundreds of bucks at the local retro stereo store.
He'd get $150 or so for it on eBay...not bad for trash! I bet some
kid advised grandma to get rid of the junk that doesn't even play MP3s
or get satellite.
R
On Aug 10, 6:27=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > I love old audio gear like that. But I like TOOOBS!
>
> Knowing your warped mind, you may be thinking of something else when you =
say
> "TOOOBS!", but my first thought when I was his message was to wonder what
> the tubes would sell for.
Nope, nothing sinister. Just a kick-in-the-nuts-grade reminder that
trading a Marantz 7C for a pair of Bryston 4B's wasn't the best move I
ever made, but HAD to as the 7C wouldn't give me adequate sound levels
through the electrostatics I was using at the time. Collectors pay
silly money for TOOOBS from justabout any manufacturer of that
vintage.
Do you recall Ring Audio on Irwin, there, Dave?
On Aug 8, 4:55=A0pm, "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote:
> OK, this has absolutely nothing to do with woodworking or the wreck, but
> I had to share it with someone and the audio groups all officially suck.
>
> Test-riding a new bike yeseterday, when I happened to go past a house whi=
ch
> had put out its recycling for pickup the next morning.
>
> On top of the plastic nut buckets (Costco things--recognise 'em a mile aw=
ay)
> and the carefully washed tin cans was a chunk of audio gear. Pulled out a
> shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver, circa 1978.
>
> Works a treat--not even a burnt out bulb. Hmm. Maybe I'll put it in the
> shop--that would almost make this an official woodworking gloat.
>
> Colin
I love old audio gear like that. But I like TOOOBS!
On Aug 12, 2:08=A0pm, "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote:
> charlie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > And the Brystons do it with minimal internal feedback. A simple Zobel
> > network on a cross-over won't alter the linearity of the frequency
> > response, but yet it is audible mostly because it makes the load to
> > the amplifier a lot friendlier (resistive at low impedance.)
>
> > Onkyo, for a short while, was an upscale product with some of the
> > right ideas. It became a 'brand' and like so many others, the 'brand'
> > was slapped on anything being spewed forth by the chiwainese
> > electronics monster. There are very few brands that stayed the course
> > in terms of integrity. Harman Kardon, Denon come to mind. In fact all
> > things handled by Harman International.
>
> > That's my opinion about consumer electronics, loudspeakers are a whole
> > different kettle of fish.
> > A pair of Muons would look nice at my house. As soon as I gather up an
> > unused $ 140,000
> >http://www.kef.com/products/muon/
>
> > this is a ww group. i'm holding out for a pair of these
> >http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/g1p1.html
>
> Nah. From a pure woodworking perspect, Moth wins hands down:http://www.mo=
thmuseum.com/mothaudio/products2.html
Wow... now THAT is fringe.
I have listened to the zero feed-back tube stuff from others (Stax) on
a pair of Lamda headphones (Earspeakers) and it is enough to kaka your
drawers. Scary as ol' hell.
The most realistic reproduction of a recorded piece I ever heard, was
a Kunstkopf (Sennheiser) recording of a harpsichord (built by a
friend) on a Nagra and then played back through a pair of Stax
Earspeakers, whilst sitting on a M&K subwoofer.
I refuse to admit that the Thai-Stick smoke coming from the musicians'
quarters had anything to do with my experience.
J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Zz Yzx wrote:
>>> Pulled out a shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver,
>>> circa 1978.
>>>
>>
>> COOL!! (As I sit listening to the Saturday morning show on KVMR, on
>> my
>> Fisher 220).
>
> One does wonder what they replaced it with.
Probably a Sony 7.1 surround sound "800 Watt" (really less than 10WPC RMS)
do-everything-poorly home theatre receiver.
Or maybe I'm being cynical, and they've replaced it with something more
like my main stereo.
Colin
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryston)
> for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the finest
> transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
> people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
> electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
>
> http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
>
> From Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
> http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
Yep. I've alwayas liked the fact that they're one of the very very
few audiophile gear manufacturers who don't rely on unstable electronics,
secret parts, fairy dust, or outright magic to create their mystique.
Instead, they massively over-design, over-engineer, build precisely, and
then publish their schematics! Gotta love it.
Colin
Andrew Barss <[email protected]> wrote:
> Colin B. <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> :> I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryston)
> :> for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the finest
> :> transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
> :> people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
> :> electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
> :>
> :> http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
> :>
> :> From Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
> :> http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
>
> : Yep. I've alwayas liked the fact that they're one of the very very
> : few audiophile gear manufacturers who don't rely on unstable electronics,
> : secret parts, fairy dust, or outright magic to create their mystique.
> : Instead, they massively over-design, over-engineer, build precisely, and
> : then publish their schematics! Gotta love it.
>
> But since all amps these days sound the same (when properly matched for output level),
> why would one want to spend $2650 for their entry-level amp?
> Why not get a $250 Onkyo, and spend the rest on a killer set of speakers?
Well, Robatoy summed it up in one sentence:
"Properly designed amplifiers all sound the same when
operating in their envelope."
Those two conditions aren't trivial to achieve. (But neither are they
impossible, as some would have you believe.)
The nice thing about Bryston et al is that they are SO well designed (and
implemented) that they are going to be operating within their envelope
no matter what you throw at them. Reactive loads, impedance mismatches
or capacitive loading on the input, Brystons just don't care. Signal in,
bigger signal out. That's what they do. Onkyo makes (or at least, used
to make) decent gear, but I'm not sure I'd count on it to drive
electrostatics. In fact, my B&W would probably have a hard time with them.
Colin
"Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:sp2nk.120382$kx.53102@pd7urf3no...
> OK, this has absolutely nothing to do with woodworking or the wreck, but
> I had to share it with someone and the audio groups all officially suck.
>
> Test-riding a new bike yeseterday, when I happened to go past a house
> which
> had put out its recycling for pickup the next morning.
>
> On top of the plastic nut buckets (Costco things--recognise 'em a mile
> away)
> and the carefully washed tin cans was a chunk of audio gear. Pulled out a
> shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver, circa 1978.
>
> Works a treat--not even a burnt out bulb. Hmm. Maybe I'll put it in the
> shop--that would almost make this an official woodworking gloat.
>
> Colin
Damn!
That would bring hundreds of bucks at the local retro stereo store.
I'll bet his wife made him throw it out....
Colin B. wrote:
> OK, this has absolutely nothing to do with woodworking or the wreck, but
> I had to share it with someone and the audio groups all officially suck.
>
> Test-riding a new bike yeseterday, when I happened to go past a house which
> had put out its recycling for pickup the next morning.
>
> On top of the plastic nut buckets (Costco things--recognise 'em a mile away)
> and the carefully washed tin cans was a chunk of audio gear. Pulled out a
> shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver, circa 1978.
>
> Works a treat--not even a burnt out bulb. Hmm. Maybe I'll put it in the
> shop--that would almost make this an official woodworking gloat.
>
> Colin
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I love old audio gear like that. But I like TOOOBS!
Knowing your warped mind, you may be thinking of something else when you say
"TOOOBS!", but my first thought when I was his message was to wonder what
the tubes would sell for.
On Aug 11, 1:02=A0pm, "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Aug 10, 6:27?am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > I love old audio gear like that. But I like TOOOBS!
>
> >> Knowing your warped mind, you may be thinking of something else when y=
ou say
> >> "TOOOBS!", but my first thought when I was his message was to wonder w=
hat
> >> the tubes would sell for.
>
> > Nope, nothing sinister. Just a kick-in-the-nuts-grade reminder that
> > trading a Marantz 7C for a pair of Bryston 4B's wasn't the best move I
> > ever made, but HAD to as the 7C wouldn't give me adequate sound levels
> > through the electrostatics I was using at the time. Collectors pay
> > silly money for TOOOBS from justabout any manufacturer of that
> > vintage.
>
> Whew. Still holding out for the 4B in my system.
I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryston)
for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the finest
transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
=46rom Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
Colin B. wrote:
> OK, this has absolutely nothing to do with woodworking or the wreck, but
> I had to share it with someone and the audio groups all officially suck.
>
> Test-riding a new bike yeseterday, when I happened to go past a house
> which had put out its recycling for pickup the next morning.
>
> On top of the plastic nut buckets (Costco things--recognise 'em a mile
> away) and the carefully washed tin cans was a chunk of audio gear. Pulled
> out a shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver, circa 1978.
>
> Works a treat--not even a burnt out bulb. Hmm. Maybe I'll put it in the
> shop--that would almost make this an official woodworking gloat.
>
> Colin
Wow havent heard that name in ions. Kinda brings me back to my 1200 watt
Harmon Kardon Amp. What a beauty.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
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On Aug 11, 5:44=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Do you recall Ring Audio on Irwin, there, Dave?
>
> Irwin Ave is only four blocks from where I live. I can't remember ever
> seeing a Ring Audio there, but there is a Ring Audio near Queen and
> Broadview. I've been in there before, but never had the money to buy. It =
was
> always fun to window shop though.
Ring moved from Irwin and Bay to Queen and Spadina (approx. across
from that big fire) in the early 80's. Then closed shop and the repair
department moved to Queen & Broadview. The whole CD generation kinda
wiped out those fringe lunatic audiophiles who needed to spend $
1800.00 on a phono cartridge made out of solid piece of unobtanium
hand rubbed with the vaginal juices of a young Newfoundland virgin, a
rare commodity indeed.
Zz Yzx wrote:
>> Pulled out a shiny, clean, VERY well-kept Marantz 2238B receiver,
>> circa 1978.
>>
>
> COOL!! (As I sit listening to the Saturday morning show on KVMR, on
> my
> Fisher 220).
One does wonder what they replaced it with.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Colin B. <[email protected]> wrote:
: Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
:> I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryston)
:> for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the finest
:> transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
:> people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
:> electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
:>
:> http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
:>
:> From Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
:> http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
: Yep. I've alwayas liked the fact that they're one of the very very
: few audiophile gear manufacturers who don't rely on unstable electronics,
: secret parts, fairy dust, or outright magic to create their mystique.
: Instead, they massively over-design, over-engineer, build precisely, and
: then publish their schematics! Gotta love it.
But since all amps these days sound the same (when properly matched for output level),
why would one want to spend $2650 for their entry-level amp?
Why not get a $250 Onkyo, and spend the rest on a killer set of speakers?
-- Andy Barss
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Aug 12, 11:11 am, "Colin B." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andrew Barss <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Colin B. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > : Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > :> I shared some manufacturing space with the Russell brothers (Bryston)
> > :> for a while and got to know them well. Bryston builds one the finest
> > :> transistor amps in the business and they're just a great bunch of
> > :> people who are a role model for anybody who wants to build an
> > :> electronic equipment business. Value for money and superb service.
> > :>
> > :>http://www.bryston.ca/4bsst_m.html
> > :>
> > :> From Abbey Road Studios to Lucasfilm and everyone in between...
> > :>http://www.bryston.ca/user1.html
>
> > : Yep. I've alwayas liked the fact that they're one of the very very
> > : few audiophile gear manufacturers who don't rely on unstable
> > electronics,
> > : secret parts, fairy dust, or outright magic to create their mystique.
> > : Instead, they massively over-design, over-engineer, build precisely,
> > and
> > : then publish their schematics! Gotta love it.
>
> > But since all amps these days sound the same (when properly matched for
> > output level),
> > why would one want to spend $2650 for their entry-level amp?
> > Why not get a $250 Onkyo, and spend the rest on a killer set of
> > speakers?
>
> Well, Robatoy summed it up in one sentence:
> "Properly designed amplifiers all sound the same when
> operating in their envelope."
>
> Those two conditions aren't trivial to achieve. (But neither are they
> impossible, as some would have you believe.)
>
> The nice thing about Bryston et al is that they are SO well designed (and
> implemented) that they are going to be operating within their envelope
> no matter what you throw at them. Reactive loads, impedance mismatches
> or capacitive loading on the input, Brystons just don't care. Signal in,
> bigger signal out. That's what they do. Onkyo makes (or at least, used
> to make) decent gear, but I'm not sure I'd count on it to drive
> electrostatics. In fact, my B&W would probably have a hard time with them.
>
> Colin
And the Brystons do it with minimal internal feedback. A simple Zobel
network on a cross-over won't alter the linearity of the frequency
response, but yet it is audible mostly because it makes the load to
the amplifier a lot friendlier (resistive at low impedance.)
Onkyo, for a short while, was an upscale product with some of the
right ideas. It became a 'brand' and like so many others, the 'brand'
was slapped on anything being spewed forth by the chiwainese
electronics monster. There are very few brands that stayed the course
in terms of integrity. Harman Kardon, Denon come to mind. In fact all
things handled by Harman International.
That's my opinion about consumer electronics, loudspeakers are a whole
different kettle of fish.
A pair of Muons would look nice at my house. As soon as I gather up an
unused $ 140,000
http://www.kef.com/products/muon/
r
--
this is a ww group. i'm holding out for a pair of these
http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/g1p1.html
DGDevin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Colin B. wrote:
>
>> Works a treat--not even a burnt out bulb. Hmm. Maybe I'll put it in
>> the shop--that would almost make this an official woodworking gloat.
>>
>> Colin
>
> Cool, although by this time it might need some caps replaced. However if it
> works then that's a score for sure.
Yeah, I'll give it a quick once over, clean the pots as necessary, but if
it's been used regularly, the caps should still be in good shape. From what
I remember (and it's been a while!), electrolytics die mostly through disuse.
Colin