Truly waterproof glue and waterproof finish

Robatoy wrote:

> On Jul 5, 7:59 am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Frank Boettcher <[email protected]> wrote
>> innews:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
>> >>building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden.  Can
>> >>anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
>> >>constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will
>> >>waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or
>> >>tainting the water?
>>
>> >>While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>>
>> >>Gary(UK)
>>
>> > Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof.
>>
>> > For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in
>> > the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically
>> > and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal.  Can you get redwood or
>> > something similar in the UK?
>>
>> > Frank
>>
>> That sounds to me like a great idea.  Maybe an old whiskey barrel?
>> Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from the
>> project.
>>
>> There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats
>> whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame.  When finished, the boat
>> is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like a sieve.
>> Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out, and the
>> swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight.  Rot-resistant wood
>> would be best <grin>.  The building method was cheap and very popular in
>> Holland <http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg> is an example of
>> the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the building
>> method.  The boats used to be taken out during the winter, and repainted,
>> I believe.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>> Han
>> email address is invalid
>
> That looks like a BM.

Bowel Movement?
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On Jul 5, 7:59=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Frank Boettcher <[email protected]> wrote innews:rmlu64p8fpkcvcg9muc=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> >>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
> >>building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. =A0Can
> >>anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
> >>constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will
> >>waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or
> >>tainting the water?
>
> >>While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>
> >>Gary(UK)
>
> > Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof.
>
> > For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in
> > the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically
> > and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. =A0Can you get redwood o=
r
> > something similar in the UK?
>
> > Frank
>
> That sounds to me like a great idea. =A0Maybe an old whiskey barrel? =A0
> Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from the
> project.
>
> There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats
> whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame. =A0When finished, the boa=
t
> is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like a sieve. =
=A0
> Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out, and the
> swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight. =A0Rot-resistant wood
> would be best <grin>. =A0The building method was cheap and very popular i=
n
> Holland <http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg> is an example of
> the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the building
> method. =A0The boats used to be taken out during the winter, and repainte=
d,
> I believe.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid

That looks like a BM. I spent an entire summer camp learning how to
sail one before they let us have Rainbows for the next year's camp.
There had to have been thousands of those around...or at least, there
appeared to be back then.
Memories.

Thanks Fellas

There are some very useful suggestions in there and will get back to you
when I have finished the bath and given it a season or two to weather in.
Gary



Gary Dean wrote:
> I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
> building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can
> anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
> constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof
> and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water?
>
> While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>
> Gary(UK)

Gary Dean wrote:

> I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
> building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can
> anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
> constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof
> and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water?
>
> While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>
> Gary(UK)

West Epoxy will satisfy all you asked for, but it will still need
something to protect it (and the wood) from UV.

Richard

"Gary Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a
>wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if
>there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in
>water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber
>without poisoning the birds or tainting the water?
>
> While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>

That sounds like a fine idea. You are right that constant immersion requires
a special glue, more than just weatherproof and as others have said you need
to worry about UV light. You _can_ do the job by using boat building
timbers, adhesives and finishes but if it was me I would want to put it in
the garden and leave it to weather so use a timber suitable for outside use
like a good dense oak or a cedar, line the bowl with a bit of roofing lead
beaten into shape with a rubber mallet, sit the foot on a piece of stone to
keep it off the wet ground, design and join in such a way that it will be
resistant to seasonal soaking, freezing, baking and drying and it sounds
like a really cool project. Good luck.

Tim W

"Gary Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of building a
>wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can anyone tell me if
>there is a glue out there that will stand being constantly immersed in
>water and is there a finish that will waterproof and preserve the timber
>without poisoning the birds or tainting the water?
>
> While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>
> Gary(UK)

I'd line the inside with glass cloth and polyester resin, same as used for
boats.

Frank Boettcher <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
>>building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can
>>anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
>>constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will
>>waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or
>>tainting the water?
>>
>>While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>>
>>Gary(UK)
>
>
> Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof.
>
> For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in
> the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically
> and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. Can you get redwood or
> something similar in the UK?
>
> Frank
>
That sounds to me like a great idea. Maybe an old whiskey barrel?
Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from the
project.

There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats
whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame. When finished, the boat
is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like a sieve.
Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out, and the
swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight. Rot-resistant wood
would be best <grin>. The building method was cheap and very popular in
Holland <http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg> is an example of
the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the building
method. The boats used to be taken out during the winter, and repainted,
I believe.


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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Robatoy wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 7:59 am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Frank Boettcher <[email protected]> wrote
>>> innews:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean
>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
>>> >>building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden.
>>> >> Can anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand
>>> >>being constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will
>>> >>waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or
>>> >>tainting the water?
>>>
>>> >>While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>>>
>>> >>Gary(UK)
>>>
>>> > Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof.
>>>
>>> > For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing
>>> > in the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together
>>> > mechanically and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal.  Can
>>> > you get redwood or something similar in the UK?
>>>
>>> > Frank
>>>
>>> That sounds to me like a great idea.  Maybe an old whiskey barrel?
>>> Clearing out the contents would enhance the enjoyment one gets from
>>> the project.
>>>
>>> There used to be (and maybe still is) a technique for building boats
>>> whereby strips of wood are attached to a frame.  When finished, the
>>> boat is launched, whereupon it fills with water since it leaks like
>>> a sieve. Once thoroughly soaked, the water is pumped or bailed out,
>>> and the swelling keeps the boat practically water-tight.
>>>  Rot-resistant wood would be best <grin>.  The building method was
>>> cheap and very popular in Holland
>>> <http://www.fast351.com/boating/16m2/16m2.jpg> is an example of
>>> the boats, but I can't find a good web site refereencing the
>>> building method.  The boats used to be taken out during the winter,
>>> and repainted, I believe.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards
>>> Han
>>> email address is invalid
>>
>> That looks like a BM.
>
> Bowel Movement?

Bulthuis Method. Guy invented the system to make el cheapo boats (for
that era, pre-WWII I believe). The disadvantage was that making sharp
bows was difficult. The blunt bows caused a lot of spray, especially on
those lakes with short chop, like Sneekermeer.

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
>building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can
>anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
>constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof
>and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water?
>
>While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>
>Gary(UK)


I'm sure you can use a marine epoxy varnish--not cheap. I guess white
oak would work, but any plastic or concrete bird bath will outlast the
wood.

Gary Dean wrote:
> I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
> building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can
> anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
> constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will
> waterproof and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or
> tainting the water?
>
> While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?

Resorcinol glue is generally preferred for bonds that will be immersed
in water. WEST epoxy, System 3, or any other good epoxy should also
work. As for a finish that's non-toxic and good for continuous
immersion, you're better off with a plastic liner.

There aren't any really good choices for lumber--the woods that stand
up well when continuously wet are difficult to bond.

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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:40:48 +0100, Gary Dean <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I am probably daft for even considering it, but I am thinking of
>building a wooden bird bath to stand permanently in my garden. Can
>anyone tell me if there is a glue out there that will stand being
>constantly immersed in water and is there a finish that will waterproof
>and preserve the timber without poisoning the birds or tainting the water?
>
>While I have your attention any suggestions as to the timber?
>
>Gary(UK)


Epoxies and Polyurethanes are supposed to be waterproof.

For the bowl itself, however, you might want to consider designing in
the manner of redwood water tanks that are held together mechanically
and rely on the swelling of the wood for seal. Can you get redwood or
something similar in the UK?

Frank