I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
you like it, keep it...'.
I guess there must be a lot of people who fall for this or companies
wouldn't keep doing it.
to bad you lost it,you are allowed to charge them 'warehouse expense" to
return it. You get it free, they want it back you can charge storage
costs......same as with the return address labels you sometimes get in the
mail. Unsolicited........no obligation.
"sweet sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Limp Arbor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
>> 'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>>
>> Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
>> you like it, keep it...'.
>>
>> I guess there must be a lot of people who fall for this or companies
>> wouldn't keep doing it.
>
> I got one of those disks a while back, looked at it and lost it, Now they
> are sending letters wanting the disk or payment. They will get neither.
>
Brian Henderson <[email protected]> writes:
>Limp Arbor wrote:
>> I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
>> 'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>>
>> Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
>> you like it, keep it...'.
>>
>> I guess there must be a lot of people who fall for this or companies
>> wouldn't keep doing it.
>
>You have no obligation whatsoever to return it if you didn't request it
>in the first place. It's yours, it's a gift, tell them so if you get
>any calls, then demand they stop harassing you.
They say as much in the collateral that accompanied the disk. However,
they also lay on a subtle guilt-trip.
scott
Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
> I'm not sure what the biggest sources for spam are.
#1 Publishing your email on a web page.
#2 Publishing your email on USENET.
I'm not sure about #2, since Google started munging email addresses.
Perhaps #2 was really goole allowing web snarfing of emails.
-MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
> Maxwell Lol wrote:
>> Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> I'm not sure what the biggest sources for spam are.
>>
>>
>> #1 Publishing your email on a web page.
>> #2 Publishing your email on USENET.
>>
>> I'm not sure about #2, since Google started munging email addresses.
>> Perhaps #2 was really goole allowing web snarfing of emails.
>
> If you have a domain name, you can use custom email addresses to see
> who's selling you email address to spam lists.
That's what I have done, and why I said the biggest source of spam
comes from email harvesting on the web.
Occasionally I get spam from a vendor, and usually when I let them
know, they have no idea how the address leaked from their web site.
But the #1 place they get emails is on web sites. It's trivial to
write a spider that searches for such things - like 40 lines of perl code.
Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
> That's why I have over 60 e-mail addresses.
I have hundreds, plus several hundred tagged USENET addresses.
>
> Still, I think the only place you really get harvested is when it
> shows up on a web site.
>
> I suspect that Usenet may, at one time, have been a source, although
> I've been using un-munged addresses on Usenet for 20 years or more and
> have never had any great amount on those addresses.
I was getting 200+ a day on my work-based 20-year-old address. I'm
still getting 70 a day on that machine.
I also run my own mail server at home, so I know what is being
attempted. YOU may not be noticing anything because your ISP is
blocking spam. Filters have also improved. My server was getting
20,000 spam attempts per hour, and is successfully blocking/denying
99.999% of them.
One rule is - addresses NEVER stop being used. Once it's in the
spammer's list, it will ALWAYS be in the spammer's list.
In article <[email protected]>, Limp Arbor <[email protected]> wrote:
>I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
>'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>
>Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
>you like it, keep it...'.
If you didn't order it, you may keep it, and you're under no obligation to pay
for it. Under postal service regulations, it's a gift.
>
>I guess there must be a lot of people who fall for this or companies
>wouldn't keep doing it.
So true.
Limp Arbor wrote:
> I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
> 'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>
> Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
> you like it, keep it...'.
>
> I guess there must be a lot of people who fall for this or companies
> wouldn't keep doing it.
It's a Jewish/Christian/Hoser Cabal plot.
"Limp Arbor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
> 'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>
> Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
> you like it, keep it...'.
>
> I guess there must be a lot of people who fall for this or companies
> wouldn't keep doing it.
I got one of those disks a while back, looked at it and lost it, Now they
are sending letters wanting the disk or payment. They will get neither.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Limp Arbor wrote:
>> I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
What's sad is that back in the 80's, the WWJ was a great publication. I have
2 or 3 years of their publication and their issues were great!
Maxwell Lol wrote:
> Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> I'm not sure what the biggest sources for spam are.
>
>
> #1 Publishing your email on a web page.
> #2 Publishing your email on USENET.
>
> I'm not sure about #2, since Google started munging email addresses.
> Perhaps #2 was really goole allowing web snarfing of emails.
If you have a domain name, you can use custom email addresses to see
who's selling you email address to spam lists.
Let's say your domain is IMakeStuffOutOfWood.com...
and you subscribe to woodtalkmagazine.com's forum.
You use [email protected] for the email address.
Or you sign up for a raffle at wood magazine, you use
[email protected]
When you start getting spam to one of those addresses, you know why.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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"Paul Fisher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> to bad you lost it,you are allowed to charge them 'warehouse expense" to
> return it. You get it free, they want it back you can charge storage
> costs......same as with the return address labels you sometimes get in
> the mail. Unsolicited........no obligation.
>
>
Now you have my interest. My normal warehouse fee for finished products is
$50 per day starting 5 days after notification that the product is ready for
pick up. This is stated on the wall in an obvious location for all to see
when they walk into my place of business. ( only had to charge it once in 11
years and that was for a $60 dollar item they left for 90 days ) I've had
this disk for about 130 days, That comes to $6,500, do you think they would
agree to that? Or is there a set fee I can charge? I found the disk by the
way.
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:31:07 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Maxwell Lol wrote:
>> Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> I'm not sure what the biggest sources for spam are.
>>
>>
>> #1 Publishing your email on a web page.
>> #2 Publishing your email on USENET.
>>
>> I'm not sure about #2, since Google started munging email addresses.
>> Perhaps #2 was really goole allowing web snarfing of emails.
>
>If you have a domain name, you can use custom email addresses to see
>who's selling you email address to spam lists.
>
>Let's say your domain is IMakeStuffOutOfWood.com...
>and you subscribe to woodtalkmagazine.com's forum.
>You use [email protected] for the email address.
>
>Or you sign up for a raffle at wood magazine, you use
>[email protected]
>
>When you start getting spam to one of those addresses, you know why.
That's why I have over 60 e-mail addresses.
Still, I think the only place you really get harvested is when it
shows up on a web site.
I suspect that Usenet may, at one time, have been a source, although
I've been using un-munged addresses on Usenet for 20 years or more and
have never had any great amount on those addresses.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Definition of a teenager: God's punishment for enjoying sex.
Limp Arbor wrote:
> I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me
> a
> 'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>
> Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
> you like it, keep it...'.
If you want to have some fun, create an alias when you sign up for
something free and wait for the fun to begin.
See how long and how many times your alias name gets sold by counting
how many "junk mail" type offers get sent to it.
Lew
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:47:18 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Limp Arbor wrote:
>> I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me
>> a
>> 'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>>
>> Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
>> you like it, keep it...'.
>
>
>If you want to have some fun, create an alias when you sign up for
>something free and wait for the fun to begin.
>
>See how long and how many times your alias name gets sold by counting
>how many "junk mail" type offers get sent to it.
I keep doing this, but surprisingly those e-mail accounts get
virtually no spam. Likewise this e-mail that I post under here, which
is valid and un-munged and has been in use for almost 7 years only
gets 3-4 a day. I'm not sure what the biggest sources for spam are. My
wife gets about 100 a day, but she signs up for lot of subscription
web sites for teacher stuff. I only sign up for sites where I am going
to be doing business with them. The one address that gets a lot of
spam is the one that has been posted on *my* web site. Even using a
script that is supposed to hide it from bots it still picked up a
couple hundred a day shortly after I put it up there.
--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Limp Arbor wrote:
> I stopped my subscription to WWJ about 4 years ago when they sent me a
> 'free' book with the promise of more to come 'at a special price'.
>
> Fast forward to yesterday and I got a 'free' DVD. Same ole scam 'if
> you like it, keep it...'.
>
> I guess there must be a lot of people who fall for this or companies
> wouldn't keep doing it.
You have no obligation whatsoever to return it if you didn't request it
in the first place. It's yours, it's a gift, tell them so if you get
any calls, then demand they stop harassing you.