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"SBH"

30/12/2006 8:42 PM

Nail guns

I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
general purpose nail gun?

I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.

Thank you


This topic has 62 replies

s

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 9:24 AM

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:38:51 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:

>This has got to be a troll.

Those who use the word "troll" are the REAL trolls. Your post is off
topic and a waste of bandwidth.

* PLONK *

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 5:32 PM

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:45:30 -0600, Tom Kendrick <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Here's the sequence of acquisition:
>
>1. 15-guage finish nailer (always comes with angled magazine) OR
>16-guage finish nailer with angled magazine. Either one will require
>angled nails rather than straight. (crown molding, door trim, door
>frames)

Suggest the 15 ga. as way more useful for interior trim than a 16 ga.

There are many "value kits" that combine 15 ga, 18 ga, and a finish
stapler, that really are a value.

jj

"jcatora"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

30/12/2006 8:34 PM


SBH wrote:
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you

Well, as I've noted here recently in other posts, I'm an architect --
and, the 'field reports' I get are that Hitachi is the one they want
(this for a 'framing' (big and headed) nailer). I'm fixing to get in
the market myself. Could be different for finishing nailers, but I
wouldn't think so.

As another option (and one that I've considered) is a factory rebuilt
one. They appear to be about half the new cost. Depending on how
serious they take rebuilding (others may be able to offer experience
here), one could get the 'high end' quality - and, with a homeowner's
workload, this would be plenty good for the life of that homeowner.

-- john.

Dp

"DZIN"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 11:52 AM

All my framing guns are Bostitch. I have mistreated them all equally.
They all still work great.....may not look too good but, they still do
the job.
I have their pin nailer, too. shoots 1.5" to 2.5" . I use it for
utility boxes, drawers, etc.. It was cheap to buy. The pins are NOT
cheap. I looked in to a finish nailer, but I lke the headless (nearly)
pins. I can still counter sink them with judicious adjustment of the
air pressure. They hold just fine on oak crown molding, jambs, etc.
Gene

SBH wrote:
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you

Dp

"DZIN"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 11:54 AM

I love those things. Tecos in hurricane ties used to frustrate the H***
outa me. No more!
Gene

CW wrote:
> I have an occasional need for a framing nailer but not often enough to
> justify the cost. What I did was get a palm nailer. Uses common nails of
> about any length. A bit slower than a nail gun but much more versatile.
> Also, it had allowed me to get into spots that would have been impossible
> with gun or hammer.
>
> "Michael Faurot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I decided I wanted a framing nailer as well, but knew I wouldn't use
> > one often enough to justify the cost. So I wound up getting one from
> > Harbor Freight for about $70 along with a couple different sizes of
> > nails. While only $70, it's worked flawlessly each of the times I've
> > needed it.

j

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 10:45 AM

I have accumulated about ten Sencos (staplers and brad nailers) over
many years. Senco was an originator of this genre of tools. Many of
the Johnny Come Lately brands seem to have joined the party when
Senco's patents expired. Senco does have an active repair and parts
service business. If this is important to you, you will be able to keep
your tools operating for years to come. I have absolutely no connection
to the brand.

Joe G

SBH wrote:
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you

j

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 10:50 AM

I have accumulated about ten Sencos (staplers and brad nailers) over
many years. Senco was an originator of this genre of tools. Many of
the Johnny Come Lately brands seem to have joined the party when
Senco's patents expired. Senco does have an active repair and parts
service business. If this is important to you, you will be able to keep
your tools operating for years to come. I have absolutely no connection
to the brand.

Joe G

SBH wrote:
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you

j

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 11:00 AM


SBH wrote:
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you

DH

"Dave Herron"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

03/01/2007 9:14 AM

I'm curious. How's the noise level on the compressor included in these
Porter-Cable gun / compressor packages? I'm about to replace my 5hp
compressor ( Coleman brand - direct drive ) because of the noise level.
Even with noise protection it is way tool loud. Is the compressor
output adequate for spraying? I haven't seen the specs.

Michael Faurot wrote:
> Tom The Great <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I went to HomeDepot one day, and found a brad gun, finish nailer and
> > compressor on sale. It came with a rebate for a stapler too, which is
> > still in the shrink wrap. It's a porter cable, I dont' use it much,
> > but when I want it to work, it works like a champ.
>
> I did about the same thing. I believe there may be threee different
> Porter Cable gun/compressor kits at Home Depot, each coming with
> the same compressor but differing in the number of guns included.
> The one I got was about $300 and came with an 18g brad nailer, 16g
> finish nailer, a stapler, a length of air hose, nails for each of
> the guns, a carrying case for all the guns, a small tube of oil and
> the pancake style compressor.
>
> I really like this kit and all of the guns have worked great. I've
> mostly used the brad and finish nailers, but have also found an
> occasional use for the stapler.
>
> > Only thing I have done, is figure if I want a framing gun, but I
> > figured I don't do enough work to justify buying it, when I can spend
> > money on so much other stuff.
>
> I decided I wanted a framing nailer as well, but knew I wouldn't use
> one often enough to justify the cost. So I wound up getting one from
> Harbor Freight for about $70 along with a couple different sizes of
> nails. While only $70, it's worked flawlessly each of the times I've
> needed it.
>
> --
>
> If you want to reply via email, change the obvious words to numbers and
> remove ".invalid".

s

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 11:27 AM

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:29:33 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
>costs them more money.

It's called LAZINESS. Todays American youth are all the laziest
motherfuckers in all of history. They waste huge amounts of money to
offset their laziness and they are the biggest energy wasters on
earth. Then they wonder why they are all fat and spend their entire
lives when off work, in front of their tv and computer, or on their
cellphones. I might be old, but I know how to do honest work without
destroying the atmosphere to power all these electrical toys. I'd be
happy to teach any of these youth what a REAL MAN is all about, but
not one of them would be willing to get off their lazy ass to learn.
I'd be willing to put money on the fact that i can place nails with a
hammer as fast as any nailgun, if I want to. But since I strive for
accuracy and quality work, I would not be willing to try.

There is a factory in a nearby town that manufactures these pre-fab
homes, and almost every week there is someone in the newspaper that is
injured by a nailgun. At least one mam has died in the past. Yeah,
cars and power saws can be dangerous, but they are safe if handled
properly. Nailguns can and do misfire, and thats when accidents
happen. You can NOT be safe enough with them. Sooner or later, one
of them is going to misfire and injure or kill the user or another
person. Just like a rifle, anything that shoots an object under high
pressure are the most dangerous devices known to man. I personally
consider a nailgun far more dangerous than a rifle. Rifles are
generally loaded and shot as intended, and the number of shots per day
are minimal. Nailguns are taken for granted, and fired thousands of
times in one day. Thats when accidents happen. One jammed nail and
someone is likely to get hurt or killed. I wont even go near someone
using one of them. I once had a friend ask me to help him with some
home repairs. When I got there he was using a nailgun. I told him
that if he wanted my help, he'd have to turn that thing off, or I
would go back home. He seemed to have the attitude that building
without a nailgun was not possible. I proved him wrong.

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 7:51 AM

J.A. Michel wrote:
> "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun
>> world. Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an
>> all around general purpose nail gun?
>>
>> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor
>> constructive type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that
>> helps. Not as employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>>
>> Thank you
>
> I have a Bostitch N62FN, and love it. Nice and light with lots of
> power.
> http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=BOS%5FFINISH%5FAND%5FTRIM%5FNAILER&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=N62FN&SDesc=300+inch+Lbs%2E+Driving+Power%26%23064%3B100+psi+Trim+Work%2FDrawers%2FCabinet+Nailer
>
> Watch for URL wrap.

There are five of these on Ebay for less than $100.00

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=N62FN&category0=&submitSearch=Search

AS

"Arvid Sorsdahl"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 10:17 AM

You make some valid statements---true the nails are more
expensive-----true they can be dangerous in a child's or morons hand and
accidents happen to us all at times but I think saws and driving a car are
more dangerous.
If you want to forgo progress and live in the buggy era that is you
privilege. But you have made a valid point as to the cost and danger of the
tools.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:06:12 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
>>> truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
>>> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
>>>
>>> Buy a decent hammer, and buy some (much cheaper) nails.
>>
>>P L E A S E, If you feel that way, stay out of the garage.
>>
>
> I have used a hammer for the past almost 60 years and aside from
> hitting my thumb a few times, I have never been injured. I could not
> count the number of incidences I have heard about people getting
> severely injured with nail guns. Nail guns are dangerous tools, and
> they are costly to use because of the high cost of the nails and the
> amount of energy needed to operate them. If you are too weak to
> operate a hammer, or just too damn lazy to use your muscles, I suggest
> that YOU stay out of the garage. Nailguns may save a few minutes of
> time, but the cost to operate them exceeds the extra cost of labor to
> do it with a plain hammer. This does not even take into account the
> medical bills, pain, and loss of work time encountered when you shoot
> yourself or another employee with one of those goddamn guns. It's not
> "if" you'll get shot with one of them, it's "WHEN". Besides this,
> hand hammered nails hold much better than nailgun nails, which is why
> guys that use nailguns almost always put twice the amount of nails
> that they would use by hand. Nail guns should have never been
> invented, and those that use them should be required by law to be
> certified and licensed prior to using them, because it's often someone
> else that that gets shot by them.

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 1:03 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> It's called LAZINESS. Todays American youth are all the laziest
> motherfuckers in all of history. They waste huge amounts of money to
> offset their laziness and they are the biggest energy wasters on
> earth. Then they wonder why they are all fat and spend their entire
> lives when off work, in front of their tv and computer, or on their
> cellphones.

Damn, I'm going to have to tell my kids that this is what they are when they
get home from their jobs, and their studies, and their other activities.
They'll be surprised to know this about themselves and I'm sure they will be
genuinely appreciative for your having made them aware of their condition.
Unfortunately, they can't respond for themselves because they are too busy
with productive lives to spend any time on usenet like you and I. So - I'll
respond for them... Ready... Here it comes... Bullshit!


> I might be old, but I know how to do honest work without
> destroying the atmosphere to power all these electrical toys. I'd be
> happy to teach any of these youth what a REAL MAN is all about, but
> not one of them would be willing to get off their lazy ass to learn.
> I'd be willing to put money on the fact that i can place nails with a
> hammer as fast as any nailgun, if I want to. But since I strive for
> accuracy and quality work, I would not be willing to try.

The collective group here stands in awe of you.


--

-Mike-
[email protected]

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 6:31 AM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
> truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
>

Silly you. Guns don't kill - bullets do.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

03/01/2007 12:59 AM


<aspasia> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:36:08 -0600, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:29:33 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
>>>>costs them more money.
>>>
>>> It's called LAZINESS. Todays American youth are all the laziest
>>> motherfuckers in all of history.
>>
>>
>>Your are a foul mouth SOB also. No need for you here.
>>
> Easy, there! Yes, he didn't have to use strong language, but he DOES
> have a point!!!
>
>

I believe every generation had lazy youth.

MO

Mike O.

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

30/12/2006 10:07 PM

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:42:42 -0500, "SBH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
>Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
>general purpose nail gun?

I'd probably go for an angle finish nailer. Something that shoots 15ga
and up to 2 1/2" in length would probably do everything you need.
All of our trim guns are Senco but for home use you might be able to
go with something less expensive.
I've played with both the Porter Cable and Hitachi guns but haven't
used either long enough to know about durability. They both seemed to
work well for the short time I had to test them.

Mike O.

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 11:17 AM


"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Nail guns are dangerous tools
>
> I saw "Happy Gilmore"!

I was thinking of one of the Lethal Weapon movies.

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 9:43 PM

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:36:24 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:

>You must have old fashioned pawn shops in your area. Around here, most
>everything they sell is priced so close to retail that it is not worth it.

Same here in CT.

Most pawn shops have discovered eBay, so walk-ins now compete against
millions of buyers.

MF

"Michael Faurot"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

04/01/2007 11:07 PM

Dave Herron <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm curious. How's the noise level on the compressor included in these
> Porter-Cable gun / compressor packages?

Loud and noisy--but it works well. :) It's an oil-less type system.

> Is the compressor output adequate for spraying? I haven't seen the
> specs.

I doubt it has enough capcity/volume/flow/etc. to handle spraying.
It's fine for driving the nail guns, a blower nozzle and inflating
tires--but that's probably about it.

--

If you want to reply via email, change the obvious words to numbers and
remove ".invalid".

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 1:06 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
> truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
>
> Buy a decent hammer, and buy some (much cheaper) nails.

P L E A S E, If you feel that way, stay out of the garage.

OO

Oren

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 3:29 PM

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:27:30 -0600, [email protected] wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:29:33 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
>>costs them more money.
>
>It's called LAZINESS. Todays American youth are all the laziest
>motherfuckers in all of history. They waste huge amounts of money to
>offset their laziness and they are the biggest energy wasters on
>earth. Then they wonder why they are all fat and spend their entire
>lives when off work, in front of their tv and computer, or on their
>cellphones. I might be old, but I know how to do honest work without
>destroying the atmosphere to power all these electrical toys. I'd be
>happy to teach any of these youth what a REAL MAN is all about, but
>not one of them would be willing to get off their lazy ass to learn.
>I'd be willing to put money on the fact that i can place nails with a
>hammer as fast as any nailgun, if I want to. But since I strive for
>accuracy and quality work, I would not be willing to try.
>
>There is a factory in a nearby town that manufactures these pre-fab
>homes, and almost every week there is someone in the newspaper that is
>injured by a nailgun. At least one mam has died in the past. Yeah,
>cars and power saws can be dangerous, but they are safe if handled
>properly. Nailguns can and do misfire, and thats when accidents
>happen. You can NOT be safe enough with them. Sooner or later, one
>of them is going to misfire and injure or kill the user or another
>person. Just like a rifle, anything that shoots an object under high
>pressure are the most dangerous devices known to man. I personally
>consider a nailgun far more dangerous than a rifle. Rifles are
>generally loaded and shot as intended, and the number of shots per day
>are minimal. Nailguns are taken for granted, and fired thousands of
>times in one day. Thats when accidents happen. One jammed nail and
>someone is likely to get hurt or killed. I wont even go near someone
>using one of them. I once had a friend ask me to help him with some
>home repairs. When I got there he was using a nailgun. I told him
>that if he wanted my help, he'd have to turn that thing off, or I
>would go back home. He seemed to have the attitude that building
>without a nailgun was not possible. I proved him wrong.

Do you where safety goggles when you hammer? It is recommended by my
hammer manufacturer, but I fail to fully follow those directions and
that makes me subject to a serious injury.

The same applies with a nail gun, as in cases I've read about injuries
and it always seemed that safety mechanisms were disabled by the user.

I can tell from your experience that you can drive a 16d nail with two
strokes of a hammer. With a nail gun, pull the trigger. Hammers make
my old hands hurt and aggravate my arthritis (claw hand).

You are not wrong for wanting to hammer everything. I'm very judicious
with my nailers, but I still don't wear them safety glasses... oh
well.







--
Oren

"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 3:26 PM


"DZIN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> All my framing guns are Bostitch. I have mistreated them all equally.
> They all still work great.....may not look too good but, they still do
> the job.
> I have their pin nailer, too. shoots 1.5" to 2.5" . I use it for
> utility boxes, drawers, etc.. It was cheap to buy. The pins are NOT
> cheap. I looked in to a finish nailer, but I lke the headless (nearly)
> pins. I can still counter sink them with judicious adjustment of the
> air pressure. They hold just fine on oak crown molding, jambs, etc.
> Gene


That sound more like a "brad nailer". Bostich shows "true headless"
pinners with lengths only up to 1-3/16" long.
Brad nailers shoot brads that are much longer that have tiny heads.

Ww

"WConner"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 3:52 PM

" They truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.

Phooey, do you have an automobile?

Walt Conner

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 1:36 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:29:33 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
>>costs them more money.
>
> It's called LAZINESS. Todays American youth are all the laziest
> motherfuckers in all of history.


Your are a foul mouth SOB also. No need for you here.

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 10:38 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.

I use both the Porter Cable 16ga. finish nailer and the 18ga. brad
nailer for trim work. The 18ga. is just right for nailing casing
into door frames. I then use the 16ga. to nail the other side of
the casing through the sheetrock into the framing. Works great.

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 3:05 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I have accumulated about ten Sencos (staplers and brad nailers) over
> many years. Senco was an originator of this genre of tools. Many of
> the Johnny Come Lately brands seem to have joined the party when
> Senco's patents expired. Senco does have an active repair and parts
> service business. If this is important to you, you will be able to keep
> your tools operating for years to come. I have absolutely no connection
> to the brand.

Yes, if my Senco siding nailer is any measure, they need a great
parts pipeline. I did buy an O-ring kit, but haven't installed it
(done with the siding job).

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 11:25 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
> > truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
> > sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
> >
>
> Silly you. Guns don't kill - bullets do.

Guns just make 'em go faster.

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 11:29 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:06:12 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
> >> truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
> >> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
> >>
> >> Buy a decent hammer, and buy some (much cheaper) nails.
> >
> >P L E A S E, If you feel that way, stay out of the garage.
> >
>
> I have used a hammer for the past almost 60 years and aside from
> hitting my thumb a few times, I have never been injured.

I know someone who put a nail in his eye.

> I could not
> count the number of incidences I have heard about people getting
> severely injured with nail guns. Nail guns are dangerous tools, and
> they are costly to use because of the high cost of the nails and the
> amount of energy needed to operate them.

Baloney. The cost of *my* energy and time is far more.

> If you are too weak to
> operate a hammer, or just too damn lazy to use your muscles, I suggest
> that YOU stay out of the garage.

If you're too stupid to use a nail gun, I suggest you stay in bed.

> Nailguns may save a few minutes of
> time, but the cost to operate them exceeds the extra cost of labor to
> do it with a plain hammer.

Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
costs them more money.

> This does not even take into account the
> medical bills, pain, and loss of work time encountered when you shoot
> yourself or another employee with one of those goddamn guns. It's not
> "if" you'll get shot with one of them, it's "WHEN". Besides this,
> hand hammered nails hold much better than nailgun nails,

You *are* a fool. Ever hear of coated nails? Ever see a board
split when you whack it with a hammer/nail?

> which is why
> guys that use nailguns almost always put twice the amount of nails
> that they would use by hand. Nail guns should have never been
> invented, and those that use them should be required by law to be
> certified and licensed prior to using them, because it's often someone
> else that that gets shot by them.

You must be a Democrat.

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 12:37 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:29:33 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
> >costs them more money.
>
> It's called LAZINESS.

No, it's called PRODUCTIVITY. Look it up.

> Todays American youth are all the laziest
> motherfuckers in all of history.

Youth? The carpenter I hired was in his fifties, and walked on the
job with a pneumatic nailer.

> ey waste huge amounts of money to
> offset their laziness and they are the biggest energy wasters on
> earth. Then they wonder why they are all fat and spend their entire
> lives when off work, in front of their tv and computer, or on their
> cellphones. I might be old, but I know how to do honest work without
> destroying the atmosphere to power all these electrical toys. I'd be
> happy to teach any of these youth what a REAL MAN is all about, but
> not one of them would be willing to get off their lazy ass to learn.
> I'd be willing to put money on the fact that i can place nails with a
> hammer as fast as any nailgun, if I want to. But since I strive for
> accuracy and quality work, I would not be willing to try.

You strive to be an angry old coot. Well, you made it.
>
> There is a factory in a nearby town that manufactures these pre-fab
> homes, and almost every week there is someone in the newspaper that is
> injured by a nailgun. At least one mam has died in the past. Yeah,
> cars and power saws can be dangerous, but they are safe if handled
> properly. Nailguns can and do misfire, and thats when accidents
> happen. You can NOT be safe enough with them. Sooner or later, one
> of them is going to misfire and injure or kill the user or another
> person. Just like a rifle, anything that shoots an object under high
> pressure are the most dangerous devices known to man. I personally
> consider a nailgun far more dangerous than a rifle. Rifles are
> generally loaded and shot as intended, and the number of shots per day
> are minimal. Nailguns are taken for granted, and fired thousands of
> times in one day. Thats when accidents happen. One jammed nail and
> someone is likely to get hurt or killed. I wont even go near someone
> using one of them. I once had a friend ask me to help him with some
> home repairs. When I got there he was using a nailgun. I told him
> that if he wanted my help, he'd have to turn that thing off, or I
> would go back home. He seemed to have the attitude that building
> without a nailgun was not possible. I proved him wrong.

You've proven nothing other than you're an angry antique, stuck in
the buggy-whip days.

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 9:24 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> <aspasia> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:36:08 -0600, "Leon"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:29:33 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
> >>>>costs them more money.
> >>>
> >>> It's called LAZINESS. Todays American youth are all the laziest
> >>> motherfuckers in all of history.
> >>
> >>
> >>Your are a foul mouth SOB also. No need for you here.
> >>
> > Easy, there! Yes, he didn't have to use strong language, but he DOES
> > have a point!!!
> >
> >
>
> I believe every generation had lazy youth.

My parent's generation certainly thought so. Some of their
generation is angry at what we have too.

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

03/01/2007 1:14 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I'm curious. How's the noise level on the compressor included in these
> Porter-Cable gun / compressor packages? I'm about to replace my 5hp
> compressor ( Coleman brand - direct drive ) because of the noise level.
> Even with noise protection it is way tool loud.

They're loud. I have mine in the corner of my basement and plumbed
around the basement and into the garage. A 50' hose gets me to
pretty much anywhere in the house and most of the outside. I leave
the noise behind.

> Is the compressor
> output adequate for spraying? I haven't seen the specs.

It's only a couple of GPM, so likely not.

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

03/01/2007 10:32 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> krw <[email protected]> wrote in news:MPG.2005bcaf2fd251f2989e89
> @news.individual.net:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> >> I'm curious. How's the noise level on the compressor included in these
> >> Porter-Cable gun / compressor packages? I'm about to replace my 5hp
> >> compressor ( Coleman brand - direct drive ) because of the noise level.
> >> Even with noise protection it is way tool loud.
> >
> > They're loud. I have mine in the corner of my basement and plumbed
> > around the basement and into the garage. A 50' hose gets me to
> > pretty much anywhere in the house and most of the outside. I leave
> > the noise behind.
>
> I have one of those compressor/gun kits, too. It works well, functionally.
> But I wear ear muffs when I use it. And my grandson hollers when the
> compressor cycles.

I left mine powered on one night (remember, it's in the basement
plumbed around the house). My son and his fiancee stayed overnight
that night and it just about scared them green (they were on the
floor above it). I slept through it. ;-)

> >> Is the compressor
> >> output adequate for spraying? I haven't seen the specs.
> >
> > It's only a couple of GPM, so likely not.
> >
>
> Not nearly enough, unless what you're using is a Critter sprayer.
>
> It's a good tool, but it has limitations. They all do.

Agreed. I bought it as a starter kit. I've been most happy with
Porter Cable tools. ...though I just found out the replacement
battery for my PC 14.4V drill I killed is worth $75. :-(

--
Keith

kk

krw

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

04/01/2007 8:32 AM

In article <QH%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Mine's in the garage.

I thought about putting it in the garage but it gets cold out there
(-20F) and didn't think it good for the compressor.

> There is a cat door from the garage to the kitchen. I
> have five cats. They like the garage, lots of places to snoop. If you are in
> the kitchen and hear the compressor come on, stay clear of the door or you
> will get run over.

The mental picture is just too funny! (we have two cats, one quite
skittish)

--
Keith
>

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

04/01/2007 4:49 AM

Mine's in the garage. There is a cat door from the garage to the kitchen. I
have five cats. They like the garage, lots of places to snoop. If you are in
the kitchen and hear the compressor come on, stay clear of the door or you
will get run over.

"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I left mine powered on one night (remember, it's in the basement
> plumbed around the house). My son and his fiancee stayed overnight
> that night and it just about scared them green (they were on the
> floor above it). I slept through it. ;-)

SM

"SBH"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 8:10 PM


"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> What do nail shops have to do with drugs and pawn shops? <G>

Perhaps they don't want to get "nailed" by the cops.

TT

Trusshauler

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 3:26 PM


CW Wrote:
> You'll like it. My Senco cost me about $80.00. more than justified the
> cost
> on the first deck. Great for joist hangers (I suck with a hammer).

Do your research then check out your local pawn shop. They sometimes
have good deals on used equipment that has not been abused. I picked up
a Senco framing gun ( older model SN8) and have been happy with it. I
have seen many good "lightly used" tools, air compressors, air tools
,etc. for sometimes half of cost.




--
Trusshauler

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 4:06 PM

[email protected] wrote:
> Nail guns are dangerous tools

I know!

I saw "Happy Gilmore"!

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 12:15 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:06:12 GMT, "Leon"

>>
>
> I have used a hammer for the past almost 60 years and aside from
> hitting my thumb a few times, I have never been injured. I could not
> count the number of incidences I have heard about people getting
> severely injured with nail guns. Nail guns are dangerous tools, and
> they are costly to use because of the high cost of the nails and the
> amount of energy needed to operate them. If you are too weak to
> operate a hammer, or just too damn lazy to use your muscles, I suggest
> that YOU stay out of the garage. Nailguns may save a few minutes of
> time, but the cost to operate them exceeds the extra cost of labor to
> do it with a plain hammer. This does not even take into account the
> medical bills, pain, and loss of work time encountered when you shoot
> yourself or another employee with one of those goddamn guns. It's not
> "if" you'll get shot with one of them, it's "WHEN". Besides this,
> hand hammered nails hold much better than nailgun nails, which is why
> guys that use nailguns almost always put twice the amount of nails
> that they would use by hand. Nail guns should have never been
> invented, and those that use them should be required by law to be
> certified and licensed prior to using them, because it's often someone
> else that that gets shot by them.

OK, anything with a cord is dangerous, very dangerous. You can should use a
hand saw from now own unless you are too weak to operate a hand saw.
Apparently you have not used a nail gun enough to realize that they truly
are cheaper to operate than a regular hammer. Time savings is immense.

Pg

Patriarch

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

03/01/2007 5:47 PM

krw <[email protected]> wrote in news:MPG.2005bcaf2fd251f2989e89
@news.individual.net:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> I'm curious. How's the noise level on the compressor included in these
>> Porter-Cable gun / compressor packages? I'm about to replace my 5hp
>> compressor ( Coleman brand - direct drive ) because of the noise level.
>> Even with noise protection it is way tool loud.
>
> They're loud. I have mine in the corner of my basement and plumbed
> around the basement and into the garage. A 50' hose gets me to
> pretty much anywhere in the house and most of the outside. I leave
> the noise behind.

I have one of those compressor/gun kits, too. It works well, functionally.
But I wear ear muffs when I use it. And my grandson hollers when the
compressor cycles.

>
>> Is the compressor
>> output adequate for spraying? I haven't seen the specs.
>
> It's only a couple of GPM, so likely not.
>

Not nearly enough, unless what you're using is a Critter sprayer.

It's a good tool, but it has limitations. They all do.

Patriarch

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 3:23 AM

You'll like it. My Senco cost me about $80.00. more than justified the cost
on the first deck. Great for joist hangers (I suck with a hammer).

"Michael Faurot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I have an occasional need for a framing nailer but not often enough to
> > justify the cost. What I did was get a palm nailer. Uses common nails of
> > about any length. A bit slower than a nail gun but much more versatile.
> > Also, it had allowed me to get into spots that would have been
impossible
> > with gun or hammer.
>
> I've been meaning to get one of those too. :) They seem to be
> relatively inexpensive as well. I can see having one of those around
> also for just the reasons you mention.
>
> --
>
> If you want to reply via email, change the obvious words to numbers and
> remove ".invalid".

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 4:36 PM

You must have old fashioned pawn shops in your area. Around here, most
everything they sell is priced so close to retail that it is not worth it.

"Trusshauler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> CW Wrote:
> > You'll like it. My Senco cost me about $80.00. more than justified the
> > cost
> > on the first deck. Great for joist hangers (I suck with a hammer).
>
> Do your research then check out your local pawn shop. They sometimes
> have good deals on used equipment that has not been abused. I picked up
> a Senco framing gun ( older model SN8) and have been happy with it. I
> have seen many good "lightly used" tools, air compressors, air tools
> ,etc. for sometimes half of cost.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Trusshauler

TT

Tom The Great

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

30/12/2006 11:03 PM

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:42:42 -0500, "SBH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
>Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
>general purpose nail gun?
>
>I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
>type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
>employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
>Thank you
>

imho:

I went to HomeDepot one day, and found a brad gun, finish nailer and
compressor on sale. It came with a rebate for a stapler too, which is
still in the shrink wrap. It's a porter cable, I dont' use it much,
but when I want it to work, it works like a champ.

Only thing I have done, is figure if I want a framing gun, but I
figured I don't do enough work to justify buying it, when I can spend
money on so much other stuff.

So my only suggestion, figure out if you really need it, or just want
to buy another toy. I can relate. :D

tom @ www.MedJobSite.com

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 12:55 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> I have used a hammer for the past almost 60 years and aside from
> hitting my thumb a few times, I have never been injured. I could not
> count the number of incidences I have heard about people getting
> severely injured with nail guns.

Yeah - and before cars became commonplace, there were far fewer reported
cases of people getting killed in head on horse collisions too.


> Nail guns are dangerous tools,

So are table saws.

> It's not
> "if" you'll get shot with one of them, it's "WHEN".

Your rant would have been totally acceptable up to this point. On this one,
you are all wet.


--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

30/12/2006 8:17 PM


"SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you
>

Well there are about 4 categories of guns as far as size goes. It sounds
like you are looking for a finish nail gun.
Something that is nice to have is a gun that does not require daily oiling.
I have had a Senco finish nailer for almost 18 years and am still very happy
with it. The Senco is uses no oil and is a bit pricey but will last you a
very long time.

JB

Jim Behning

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 5:06 PM

About half the pawn shops or more are not places for good deals where I
live. Some never have good tools to look at but I pop in once in a while
just to see. I have found good deals on occasion even at the overpriced
shops. I have bought a JGA spray gun, Paslode framing gun, Bosch hammer
drill and router, cheap Dewalt sawzall, brad nailer, Mac fuel injection
pressure tester and other stuff. Everything worked well even though some
of the tools were pretty beat up. I do not believe I got everything at
half price or less but probably most was. Maybe I am lucky living I a
big population which of course means pawn shops, nail shops and drug
problems.

CW wrote:
> You must have old fashioned pawn shops in your area. Around here, most
> everything they sell is priced so close to retail that it is not worth it.
>
> "Trusshauler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> CW Wrote:
>>> You'll like it. My Senco cost me about $80.00. more than justified the
>>> cost
>>> on the first deck. Great for joist hangers (I suck with a hammer).
>> Do your research then check out your local pawn shop. They sometimes
>> have good deals on used equipment that has not been abused. I picked up
>> a Senco framing gun ( older model SN8) and have been happy with it. I
>> have seen many good "lightly used" tools, air compressors, air tools
>> ,etc. for sometimes half of cost.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Trusshauler
>
>

MD

"Mike Dobony"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

30/12/2006 8:36 PM


"SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you
>

For the trimming you are best off with an oilless finish nailer or stapler.
This keeps teh trim from getting oil stains. I have a Bostitch angled
framing gun that has put together a few houses along with a great deal of
small projects and only one rebuild (when I loaned it out). I have owned it
since 1989

Mike D.

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 4:30 PM

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:23:30 -0600, someone wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:06:12 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
>>> truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
>>> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
>>>
>>> Buy a decent hammer, and buy some (much cheaper) nails.
>>
>>P L E A S E, If you feel that way, stay out of the garage.
>>
>
> I have used a hammer for the past almost 60 years and aside from
> hitting my thumb a few times, I have never been injured. I could not
> count the number of incidences I have heard about people getting
> severely injured with nail guns. Nail guns are dangerous tools, and
> they are costly to use because of the high cost of the nails and the
> amount of energy needed to operate them. If you are too weak to
> operate a hammer, or just too damn lazy to use your muscles, I suggest
> that YOU stay out of the garage. Nailguns may save a few minutes of
> time, but the cost to operate them exceeds the extra cost of labor to
> do it with a plain hammer. This does not even take into account the
> medical bills, pain, and loss of work time encountered when you shoot
> yourself or another employee with one of those goddamn guns. It's not
> "if" you'll get shot with one of them, it's "WHEN". Besides this,
> hand hammered nails hold much better than nailgun nails, which is why
> guys that use nailguns almost always put twice the amount of nails
> that they would use by hand. Nail guns should have never been
> invented, and those that use them should be required by law to be
> certified and licensed prior to using them, because it's often someone
> else that that gets shot by them.

Statistics and source please? Didn't think so.

I'll give up my nailgun when they pry the nails out of my cold dead hand.

--

--John

to email, dial "usenet" and validate

(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

MF

"Michael Faurot"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 7:34 PM

Tom The Great <[email protected]> wrote:

> >I decided I wanted a framing nailer as well, but knew I wouldn't use
> >one often enough to justify the cost. So I wound up getting one from
> >Harbor Freight for about $70 along with a couple different sizes of
> >nails. While only $70, it's worked flawlessly each of the times I've
> >needed it.

> Interesting, will get hand tools from harbor freight, but no
> experience with power tools. Sounds cheaper than renting.

Based on posts I'd seen here in the wreck from a few folks who have
purchashed pneumatic nailers from Harbor Freight and had good
results, I figured I'd give it a try. Given the price, and the
occasional use (hobbyist) it gets--it seems to work great. If I
needed a framing nailer as part of my job, I'd be looking at something
like Senco, Hitachi, etc.

--

If you want to reply via email, change the obvious words to numbers and
remove ".invalid".

JM

"J.A. Michel"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 12:13 AM


"SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
> Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
> general purpose nail gun?
>
> I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
> type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
> employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
> Thank you

I have a Bostitch N62FN, and love it. Nice and light with lots of power.

http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=BOS%5FFINISH%5FAND%5FTRIM%5FNAILER&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=N62FN&SDesc=300+inch+Lbs%2E+Driving+Power%26%23064%3B100+psi+Trim+Work%2FDrawers%2FCabinet+Nailer

Watch for URL wrap.

MF

"Michael Faurot"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 11:23 AM

Tom The Great <[email protected]> wrote:

> I went to HomeDepot one day, and found a brad gun, finish nailer and
> compressor on sale. It came with a rebate for a stapler too, which is
> still in the shrink wrap. It's a porter cable, I dont' use it much,
> but when I want it to work, it works like a champ.

I did about the same thing. I believe there may be threee different
Porter Cable gun/compressor kits at Home Depot, each coming with
the same compressor but differing in the number of guns included.
The one I got was about $300 and came with an 18g brad nailer, 16g
finish nailer, a stapler, a length of air hose, nails for each of
the guns, a carrying case for all the guns, a small tube of oil and
the pancake style compressor.

I really like this kit and all of the guns have worked great. I've
mostly used the brad and finish nailers, but have also found an
occasional use for the stapler.

> Only thing I have done, is figure if I want a framing gun, but I
> figured I don't do enough work to justify buying it, when I can spend
> money on so much other stuff.

I decided I wanted a framing nailer as well, but knew I wouldn't use
one often enough to justify the cost. So I wound up getting one from
Harbor Freight for about $70 along with a couple different sizes of
nails. While only $70, it's worked flawlessly each of the times I've
needed it.

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"SBH"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 5:33 PM

Thank you Tom, that was informative and after I posted another question for
the group. But better late than never.


"Tom Kendrick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Here's the sequence of acquisition:
>
> 1. 15-guage finish nailer (always comes with angled magazine) OR
> 16-guage finish nailer with angled magazine. Either one will require
> angled nails rather than straight. (crown molding, door trim, door
> frames)
>
> 2. 2" brad nailer (quarter-round, baseboards, cabinets)
>
> 3. Narrow-crown stapler (cabinet backs, door frames, door trim)
>
> Look online for factory-refurbished units.
>
> Set up your air hose with a T-connection and run two hoses from there.
> One to the finish nailer, one to the brad nailer, so you don't have to
> keep swapping the hose between tools.
>
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:42:42 -0500, "SBH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
>>Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
>>general purpose nail gun?
>>
>>I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
>>type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
>>employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>>
>>Thank you
>>

s

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 9:23 AM

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:06:12 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
>> truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
>> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
>>
>> Buy a decent hammer, and buy some (much cheaper) nails.
>
>P L E A S E, If you feel that way, stay out of the garage.
>

I have used a hammer for the past almost 60 years and aside from
hitting my thumb a few times, I have never been injured. I could not
count the number of incidences I have heard about people getting
severely injured with nail guns. Nail guns are dangerous tools, and
they are costly to use because of the high cost of the nails and the
amount of energy needed to operate them. If you are too weak to
operate a hammer, or just too damn lazy to use your muscles, I suggest
that YOU stay out of the garage. Nailguns may save a few minutes of
time, but the cost to operate them exceeds the extra cost of labor to
do it with a plain hammer. This does not even take into account the
medical bills, pain, and loss of work time encountered when you shoot
yourself or another employee with one of those goddamn guns. It's not
"if" you'll get shot with one of them, it's "WHEN". Besides this,
hand hammered nails hold much better than nailgun nails, which is why
guys that use nailguns almost always put twice the amount of nails
that they would use by hand. Nail guns should have never been
invented, and those that use them should be required by law to be
certified and licensed prior to using them, because it's often someone
else that that gets shot by them.

MF

"Michael Faurot"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 7:26 PM

CW <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have an occasional need for a framing nailer but not often enough to
> justify the cost. What I did was get a palm nailer. Uses common nails of
> about any length. A bit slower than a nail gun but much more versatile.
> Also, it had allowed me to get into spots that would have been impossible
> with gun or hammer.

I've been meaning to get one of those too. :) They seem to be
relatively inexpensive as well. I can see having one of those around
also for just the reasons you mention.

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B A R R Y

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

01/01/2007 9:47 PM

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:06:18 GMT, Jim Behning
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Maybe I am lucky living I a
>big population which of course means pawn shops, nail shops and drug
>problems.

Remember, druggies usually STEAL tools to pawn, it's not like they own
them in the first place.

What do nail shops have to do with drugs and pawn shops? <G>

l

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

03/01/2007 12:37 AM

>
>
> Hammers are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
> truely are CLUBS and they can kill. The best use for a hammer is to
> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make screwdrivers.
>
>


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Tom Kendrick

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 3:45 PM

Here's the sequence of acquisition:

1. 15-guage finish nailer (always comes with angled magazine) OR
16-guage finish nailer with angled magazine. Either one will require
angled nails rather than straight. (crown molding, door trim, door
frames)

2. 2" brad nailer (quarter-round, baseboards, cabinets)

3. Narrow-crown stapler (cabinet backs, door frames, door trim)

Look online for factory-refurbished units.

Set up your air hose with a T-connection and run two hoses from there.
One to the finish nailer, one to the brad nailer, so you don't have to
keep swapping the hose between tools.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:42:42 -0500, "SBH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm in the market for a nail gun but am uneducated to the nail gun world.
>Therefore, will someone educate me on what to look for in an all around
>general purpose nail gun?
>
>I do trimming (baseboards, door trim, etc) as well as minor constructive
>type building (door frames, cabinets, etc) , if that helps. Not as
>employment but for my own home and woodworking hobbies.
>
>Thank you
>

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 6:49 PM

I have an occasional need for a framing nailer but not often enough to
justify the cost. What I did was get a palm nailer. Uses common nails of
about any length. A bit slower than a nail gun but much more versatile.
Also, it had allowed me to get into spots that would have been impossible
with gun or hammer.

"Michael Faurot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I decided I wanted a framing nailer as well, but knew I wouldn't use
> one often enough to justify the cost. So I wound up getting one from
> Harbor Freight for about $70 along with a couple different sizes of
> nails. While only $70, it's worked flawlessly each of the times I've
> needed it.

s

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 1:34 AM

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:26:30 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"DZIN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> All my framing guns are Bostitch. I have mistreated them all equally.
>> They all still work great.....may not look too good but, they still do
>> the job.
>> I have their pin nailer, too. shoots 1.5" to 2.5" . I use it for
>> utility boxes, drawers, etc.. It was cheap to buy. The pins are NOT
>> cheap. I looked in to a finish nailer, but I lke the headless (nearly)
>> pins. I can still counter sink them with judicious adjustment of the
>> air pressure. They hold just fine on oak crown molding, jambs, etc.
>> Gene
>
>
>That sound more like a "brad nailer". Bostich shows "true headless"
>pinners with lengths only up to 1-3/16" long.
>Brad nailers shoot brads that are much longer that have tiny heads.
>

Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.

Buy a decent hammer, and buy some (much cheaper) nails.

TT

Tom The Great

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

31/12/2006 7:06 PM

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:23:29 -0600, "Michael Faurot"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tom The Great <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I went to HomeDepot one day, and found a brad gun, finish nailer and
>> compressor on sale. It came with a rebate for a stapler too, which is
>> still in the shrink wrap. It's a porter cable, I dont' use it much,
>> but when I want it to work, it works like a champ.
>
>I did about the same thing. I believe there may be threee different
>Porter Cable gun/compressor kits at Home Depot, each coming with
>the same compressor but differing in the number of guns included.
>The one I got was about $300 and came with an 18g brad nailer, 16g
>finish nailer, a stapler, a length of air hose, nails for each of
>the guns, a carrying case for all the guns, a small tube of oil and
>the pancake style compressor.

Sounds like the same one I got.


>
>I really like this kit and all of the guns have worked great. I've
>mostly used the brad and finish nailers, but have also found an
>occasional use for the stapler.
>
>> Only thing I have done, is figure if I want a framing gun, but I
>> figured I don't do enough work to justify buying it, when I can spend
>> money on so much other stuff.
>
>I decided I wanted a framing nailer as well, but knew I wouldn't use
>one often enough to justify the cost. So I wound up getting one from
>Harbor Freight for about $70 along with a couple different sizes of
>nails. While only $70, it's worked flawlessly each of the times I've
>needed it.

Interesting, will get hand tools from harbor freight, but no
experience with power tools. Sounds cheaper than renting.

Good luck,

tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com

a

aspasia

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 12:21 PM

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:36:08 -0600, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:29:33 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Utter nonsense. That must be why carpenters use nail guns now. It
>>>costs them more money.
>>
>> It's called LAZINESS. Todays American youth are all the laziest
>> motherfuckers in all of history.
>
>
>Your are a foul mouth SOB also. No need for you here.
>
Easy, there! Yes, he didn't have to use strong language, but he DOES
have a point!!!

OO

Oren

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 5:38 PM

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:29:19 -0800, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:

>Do you where safety goggles when you hammer? It is recommended by my


I need a new key board: "wear".

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "SBH" on 30/12/2006 8:42 PM

02/01/2007 12:38 PM

This has got to be a troll.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Nail guns are dangerous tools. I would not own one of them. They
> truely are GUNS and they can kill. The best use for a nail gun is to
> sell it to a recycler to turn back into raw steel to make hammers.
>
> Buy a decent hammer, and buy some (much cheaper) nails.


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