Extra cash at HD automated checkup

"DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me that if
it
> is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong to someone else.
> Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book, hbakker should have
given
> the cash to the attendant of the automated lanes and let HD deal with it.
>
> I was also taught to trust someone until that person proves he can not be
> trusted. $7.00 and a blabbermouth has shown me and the rest of the group
> that hbakker can not be trusted.
>
> Like George K., at least I can sleep well at night knowing I did the right
> thing. The trouble is, hbakker & Frank probably have no trouble sleeping
> either.
>

My comment was meant in reply to the suggestion that someone should be
"tracked" down over $2. I'm not suggesting that it's every man for himself.
It's not worth getting into a self righteous knot over. I'm an honest
person myself who does not steal anything, but in my experience, people so
quick to jump on their puplic soap boxes are usually the biggest hypocrytes
around.

Frank

Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that found
it.

"Mike Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:13:07 -0400, "hbakker" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility and
> >paying the bill with hard cash!
> >
> >So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL
where
> >previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the
"talking
> >computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!
> >
> >I'm not "fingering" return slots at public telephones but I may get that
> >habit while doing my (weekly) shopping run at a HD.....could pay for the
> >gas...!!
> >
>
> So -you're- the asshole that took my change. I came back 10 minutes
> later when I remembered it, and it was gone.
>
> Theiving bastard even thinks it funny so he posts his theft so the
> world can see.
>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:41:07 -0400, "Jim Helfer"
<jhelfer@REMOVE~THISwtwarch.com> wrote:


> You know, _Pride_ used to be the worst Sin.

From the Fifth Century B.C.E. we have the warnings of the Greek's
about Hubris which became codified by Pope Gregory in the Fifth
Century C.E. as Pride and so on to Shakespeare's warnings in the
tragedies a thousand years later, so on to Raskolnikov and
Dostoevsky's portrait of the self absorbtion that must become madness.

The common thread is that Pride is the progenitor of the notion that
the other is as nothing in comparison to the self and that it can be
objectified to the point where there is no obligation to acknowledge
the other as part of the same world that the self inhabits.

This thinking allows the Hubrist to violate the commonly held beliefs
of the society that he dwells in, at his whim, when it is these
commonly held beliefs which describe society, and their violation is
the basis of Sociopathy.

The primacy of Pride in the order of the Deadly Sins is not a mere
description of its position in a numerical order but is rather a call
to recognize it as the basis for all of the other sins.

It is then Pride which allows someone to claim as his own that which
does not belong to him, in violation of any concept of morality that
has been expressed in Western Culture for at least twenty five hundred
years.

Seen in this way, this taking is not a small act. Although the sum
may be small, the implications are vast.

Should we teach our children that stealing a small sum is of small
consequence or should we teach them that stealing is wrong?



Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:49:51 -0400, Donnie Vazquez
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Trent© wrote:
>> Exactly. Its an over-or-short of a cash register. This one happens
>> to be unmanned.
>>
>> HD...or the clerk, depending on their company policy...will be
>> responsible for any shortage. Any overages over the year offset these
>> kinds of shortages.
>
>If it was change left by the previous customer, it is not an overage or
>shortage of the register. The register did exactly what it was supposed
>to do. The money belongs to the customer that left it or the next person
>to pick it up (depending on how you look at it). It definitely does not
>belong to the BORG.

Tell us exactly how you know the machine didn't malfunction.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "hbakker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility
>> and paying the bill with hard cash!
>>
>> So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL
>> where previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by
>> the "talking computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your
>> items" etc!
>
> I despise the idea of a self checkout. I refuse to use them in any
> store. Like self serve gas, you don't save any money, but the seller
> reaps higher profits.
>
> To clarify, full service gas is priced as much as 25¢ a gallon higher
> than self serve, but that is an artificial price. In MA, each town
> decides if self serve is allowed. Gas stations across the street
> from each other on the town line both sell at the same price but one
> if full service. When I can get a 5% discount for doing it myself,
> I'll start to use them.
> Ed


I think the point, and the reason I use them frequently, is speed of
checkout and convienience. I've been using the one at my local grocery
store for 3 years now, and was overjoyed to see them pop up at my local
BORG.

I'm tired of waiting in line for 45 minutes for things beyond my control.
My TIME is too valuable, probably worth more than the 5% discount. You wait
in line, I'll make sawdust faster.

DexAZ wrote:
> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me
> that if it is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong
> to someone else. Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book,
> hbakker should have given the cash to the attendant of the automated
> lanes and let HD deal with it.
>
> I was also taught to trust someone until that person proves he can
> not be trusted. $7.00 and a blabbermouth has shown me and the rest
> of the group that hbakker can not be trusted.
>
> Like George K., at least I can sleep well at night knowing I did the
> right thing. The trouble is, hbakker & Frank probably have no
> trouble sleeping either.
>
> DexAZ

Woodworking guys. The name of the group is rec.woodworking.

Geesh. I agree with you, but take it somewhere else.

In article <[email protected]>, Edwin Pawlowski
<[email protected]> wrote:

> When I
> can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.

We buy all our gas at the local Federated Co-op. Full serve, and when I
get my patronage cheque every June, I save about 2.5 cents a litre.

Same pump price as the self serve down the block and the full serve
station across the street.

Cost me $10, 9 years ago, to become a Co-op member.

djb

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Anyone want to lay odds on whether Godwin's Law comes into play in this
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Rico wrote:

> a refund for these cans, you have ruined them, how could
> they ever refill them."

Shouldda told her that they puff back out when filled. :)

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"Scott Cramer" wrote in message

> > Seems reasonable to conclude that convincing yourself of that is the
> > first step in rationalizing the act. ;>)
>
> Now YOU'RE the one making grossly generalized assumptions :-P

"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:08 -0400, Tom Watson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >The angel spread apart his wings
> >The old man held his ground
> >They left together right away
> >And didn't make a sound
>
> So you're saying the penalty for pocketing the found money is death?
>
Yes, I think that is what they are saying.

You know, _Pride_ used to be the worst Sin.



>
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net

In article <[email protected]>, Rico
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't care for the self serve checkout at the Borg, but
> difinitely prefer self serve gas stations. At a self serve
> gas station the service is faster, better and more honest.

Umm..aren't you doing the checking out at the Borg? I guess its ok.

So you say it works with any brand fuel as long as it is pay at the pump??
Cool..


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:nFCjb.78346$sp2.40394@lakeread04...
> Edwin Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When
I
> > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
>
>
> Then get a AAA Platinum Plus Visa. You get 5% of each pay at the pump
> gas transaction rebated to the account with 48 hours. It only works
> for pay at the pump transactions, but it works at all brands. :-)

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 06:08:58 GMT, [email protected] (Xane
"MegaWolf" T.) wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:18:57 GMT, Mark & Juanita
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>>aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>>
>
>Discovery Channel's 'Mythbusters' just recently ran a show testing to
>see if a cel phone could blow up a gas station [I've seen gas stations
>that even have official looking signs 'turn phones off']. After
>several failed attempts with both cel phones /and/ static sparks, they
>found that it takes a REALLY exact mixture of oxygen and gas fumes to
>spark a fire. And cel phones CANNOT start one, even under perfect
>laboratory conditions.

Just to set the record straight, like all legends, there is (was) a
grain of truth to this.

In the old days (we're talking before the invention transistors here),
2-way radios were built in two parts, a control head that mounted
under the dashboard, and a radio unit, that mounted in the trunk.
These radios were big clunky tube things that used many hundreds of
volts to generate their RF, and were often mounted near the gas tank
filler tube of the car.

Switching from receive to transmit did two things. First it switched
the high voltage to the transmitter with an open (un-enclosed) relay
contact that often times arced horribly (think massive spark). Second,
it switched the antenna wire from the receiver to transmitter (again
with a massive spark).

So now you have all the conditions for a good explosion:
1. enclosed space (the trunk)
2. ignition source (the sparking relay)
3. proximity to fuel (leaking filler tube)

And as I recall, all the 2-way radio user manuals of the time
cautioned about filling up and transmitting at the same time.

However, nowadays, with today's modern solid state, low voltage
electronics, all switching is either done by hermetically enclosed
reed switches or by solid state switches so there is no possibility of
getting an arc to ignite gas fumes.

Not to mention the fact that a cellphone doesnt have an antenna switch
since it's full duplex.

I think the first 2-way radio with hermetically sealed relays first
shipped in 1970 (Motorola Micor) but many poorly funded police
departments and cab companies continued using the old equipment well
into the '80s so it wasnt all that long ago that a car could still
blow up.

So yes, it's an urban myth today and deserves to be roundly debunked,
but at one time it really was possible to blow up a car simply by
talking on your radio. But this is way way off topic now...

dickm

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:43:48 GMT, [email protected] (Lawrence
Wasserman) pixelated:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
><...Previous quote snipped...>:
>>Some states have determined that their residents aren't
>>competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>>
>>Oregon
>>New Jersey
>>Parts of Mass.
>>
>>Any arguments with their logic?
>>
>Yeah, how come Florida isn't included?

FL notwithstanding, competence isn't the issue. We don't have
to soil our hands with gasoline in Oregon, either. And the
guys at Albertson's Express Gas don't accept tips. I like it.

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"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 16-Oct-2003, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>> aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>
>I was consulting for an oil company earlier this year and got to watch a
>video from a service station taken the day before. Self serve dispensers
>are not allowed to have locking (i.e always on) nozzles.
Maybe in some jurisdictions, but some of us live in areas where people
are even bright enough to be able to handle the locking nozzles.

> A woman in a van
>managed to jam one open and got back into her vehicle to wait. It overflowed
>and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
>joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open with
>a cigarette lighter.
When I find an occasional station without the locking nozzle, I jam it
open with the gas cap. About the right size, and makes sure I don't
forget to put the gas cap back on. I've had one overflow in all these
years. Good reminder about static, though.

> Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
>And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.
If you are calling a disabled pump (i.e., defeated locking nozzle) a
safety feature, then you must be calling all gas station attendants
who use locking nozzles stupid? Even more reason to pump your own.

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Doug Miller wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Chris) wrote:
> >
> >customers pumping their own gas are slower than a station attendant
> >pumping gas
>
> This is just silly. The time it takes to stick the nozzle in the tank is
> insignificant, compared to the time it takes for the pump to deliver fifteen
> or twenty gallons of gas. Plus, it takes a *lot* more time to pay an
> attendant, than it does to just swipe a MasterCard in the pump. I try to buy
> all my gas at stations with credit-card pumps because it saves so much time.

Have you ever been in "the line" to get gas at Costco?
Usually it's some really sloooow person who pulls up, futzes around in
their cab for a few minutes, comes to the pump and then fishes for their
card, reads the pump directions over several times, places the card in
the slot all four possible directions before getting it right, wonder
why no gas dispenses and then proceeds to re-read directions, etc. etc.
etc.

But you are correct otherwise, pay at the pump is so much more
convenient that dealing with cashiers and
lines inside...

-Bruce

>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)


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Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Silvan wrote:
> > > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > >
> > > > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> > > > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
> > >
> > > Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in years.
> > > I didn't know they still existed.
> > >
> > >
> > Some states have determined that their residents aren't
> > competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
> >
> > Oregon
> > New Jersey
> > Parts of Mass.
> >
> > Any arguments with their logic?
> >
>
> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
> aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>
> >
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Whoa! Quoting facts is not allowed! Best to state
supposition, if you want to remain in the game.

"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hmmm, I don't like self-checkouts either and won't use them at HD, but I
> disagree with you about self-serve gasoline. Even if it is the same
price,
> I prefer it because I don't have someone who doesn't give a damn
scratching
> the finish on the car. Since I am in the rust-belt, that saves me some
> money on a car rusting prematurely.
>

I do my own car maintenance, so pumping the gas once a week gives me a
chance to check the oils and fluids, look at the tires, clean the window
glass, make sure nothing is falling off.

Jim H



> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "hbakker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility
and
> > > paying the bill with hard cash!
> > >
> > > So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL
> where
> > > previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the
> "talking
> > > computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!
> >
> > I despise the idea of a self checkout. I refuse to use them in any
store.
> > Like self serve gas, you don't save any money, but the seller reaps
higher
> > profits.
> >
> > To clarify, full service gas is priced as much as 25¢ a gallon higher
than
> > self serve, but that is an artificial price. In MA, each town decides
if
> > self serve is allowed. Gas stations across the street from each other
on
> > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When
I
> > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
> > Ed
> >
> >
>
>

"DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me that if
it
> is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong to someone else.
> Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book, hbakker should have
given
> the cash to the attendant of the automated lanes and let HD deal with it.
>
> I was also taught to trust someone until that person proves he can not be
> trusted. $7.00 and a blabbermouth has shown me and the rest of the group
> that hbakker can not be trusted.
>
> Like George K., at least I can sleep well at night knowing I did the right
> thing. The trouble is, hbakker & Frank probably have no trouble sleeping
> either.
>
> DexAZ
>

splinter... beam...

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:08 -0400, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> wrote:



>The angel spread apart his wings
>The old man held his ground
>They left together right away
>And didn't make a sound

So you're saying the penalty for pocketing the found money is death?


LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Boy, we are judgmental, aren't we? This posting was done primarily to make
people a little bit more attentive and alert when shopping at HD.

FYI: the story is a short one. I decided to post what I liked to say, not
necessarily ALL the issues. Of course I expected reactions like "thieving"
etc., just standard thing for Americans to do.

But, to calm you down:

No. one: "collecting" does not and did not imply KEEPING the money. At both
times I showed the cash to the attendant who, in her best Spanish/English
told me: "keep it. I don't know who forgot that" , respectively at the
second store, said to me: "Thanks! This happened a few times more. It's
"just" two bucks and it's like finding it on the street. There are no
customers around now - who can tell who's the owner. Take it home". And so
I kept the cash. (And next time I may even forget to check the slot).

No. two, I am very reluctant to just return the money to any attendant (or
"store manager" or "supervisor")here in South Florida. Period. It may be
different in other parts of the States.

And boy, do I sleep good.

HNB


"Mike Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:13:07 -0400, "hbakker" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility and
> >paying the bill with hard cash!
> >
> >So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL
where
> >previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the
"talking
> >computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!
> >
> >I'm not "fingering" return slots at public telephones but I may get that
> >habit while doing my (weekly) shopping run at a HD.....could pay for the
> >gas...!!
> >
>
> So -you're- the asshole that took my change. I came back 10 minutes
> later when I remembered it, and it was gone.
>
> Theiving bastard even thinks it funny so he posts his theft so the
> world can see.
>

Greetings and Salutations...
In the spirit of contributing to "topic rot"...

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:00:25 -0400, Trent© <[email protected]>
wrote:
*snip*

>Now...more than likely, this thread will go on to talk about
>jam...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good!
>
>
Hear! Hear! One of my FAVORITE things while growing up
was a thick slice of homemade bread, still warm from the oven,
slathered with a little butter and a LOT of Quince Jam. Talk
about one of the few bright spots!
Regards
Dave Mundt

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:18:57 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>

Discovery Channel's 'Mythbusters' just recently ran a show testing to
see if a cel phone could blow up a gas station [I've seen gas stations
that even have official looking signs 'turn phones off']. After
several failed attempts with both cel phones /and/ static sparks, they
found that it takes a REALLY exact mixture of oxygen and gas fumes to
spark a fire. And cel phones CANNOT start one, even under perfect
laboratory conditions.

They also found out that women are 8x more likely then men to get back
into the car while fueling, then spark a fire with static. But they
concluded that it would be a very rare occurence, because of the
precise mixture required to ignite from a static spark. They had to
use a high power leyden jar to set off their earlier tests.

Ironically, this came up on Oprah a few days later, where they made it
into an incredibly big deal. Some idiot 'expert' also said that it was
possible for cel phones to spark a fire. Guess which show more people
watch? This is just as bad as all the urban legends that wind up in
Dear Abby as 'true'...

Make sure you spread the word - cel phones will NOT blow up a gas
station.

Other random things: Tanning salons cannot microwave you, microwaves
won't 'explode' if metal is put into them, microwaves /can/ make
'explosive' water, but only if you use distilled, a penny dropped off
the Empire State Building won't kill anyone,

Yes, definately


"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Scott
Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On 16 Oct 2003, DexAZ spake unto rec.woodworking:
> >
> >> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me that
> >> if it is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong to
> >> someone else. Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book,
> >> hbakker should have given the cash to the attendant of the automated
> >> lanes and let HD deal with it.
> >
> > How? Put the cash in the lost and found box? Get real. It
would
> >have ended up back in the till, at best. More likely, in the HD
> >attendant's pocket.
> >
> So... it's ok to take something that is not yours, because if you don't
take
> it, someone else will?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

On 16-Oct-2003, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:

> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
> aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?

I was consulting for an oil company earlier this year and got to watch a
video from a service station taken the day before. Self serve dispensers
are not allowed to have locking (i.e always on) nozzles. A woman in a van
managed to jam one open and got back into her vehicle to wait. It overflowed
and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open with
a cigarette lighter. Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.

Mike

[email protected] (Dave Mundt) wrote:

> Greetings and Salutations...
> In the spirit of contributing to "topic rot"...
>
>On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:00:25 -0400, Trent© <[email protected]>
>wrote:
> *snip*
>
>>Now...more than likely, this thread will go on to talk about
>>jam...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good!
>>
>>
> Hear! Hear! One of my FAVORITE things while growing up
>was a thick slice of homemade bread, still warm from the oven,
>slathered with a little butter and a LOT of Quince Jam. Talk
>about one of the few bright spots!
> Regards
> Dave Mundt

Boy, this is going downhill fast! Anybody tried any of that Kentucky
Jelly? <g>
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Lost and Found


An angel left some money sit
Upon the counting table
A good thief came to claim it
Saying, "Now I will be able
to buy a good thing for myself
and maybe I'll get Cable."

An angel left some money sit
Upon the counting table
A bad thief came to claim it
Saying, "Now I will be able
to buy a good thing for myself
a half an hour with Mabel."

An angel left some money sit
Upon the counting table
A good man came to claim it
Saying, "Now I will be able
To buy a good thing for the poor
To make those poor more able."

An angel left some money sit
Upon the counting table
An old man came and picked it up
And, turning to the angel
Said, "I believe you dropped this sir
Upon this counting table."

The angel spread apart his wings
The old man held his ground
They left together right away
And didn't make a sound



Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:52:46 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:


> So THAT's what it's like in Upper OR, is it? I'm sure glad
> I don't live there. We get gentle rains here. (so far)
> Seattle just got really HAMMERED, didn't it? I'm glad I don't
> live in WA, either. My buddy passed through the Olympia
> rainforest last spring and said it got 600+ inches annually.
> I'm happy for our meager 32", I tell ya. It's also drier
> here than LoCal, despite double the rainfall. Nice! I'm
> actually looking forward to the rainy season this year.
> Can you imagine THAT from an longtime Californicator like me?
> I still can't.
>

Just to be tek-knuck-el, it's the "Olympic Rain Forest". As a
wee lad, worked for the Old Man on some parks jobs on the
"West End". That's what residents of the east side of the Olympic
Peninsula call the coast side. Anyhoo, we wore ponchos to keep dry.
Yeah, right - it rained so damned hard the water would bounce back up
getting you wet clear up to your armpits.

-Doug

I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me that if it
is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong to someone else.
Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book, hbakker should have given
the cash to the attendant of the automated lanes and let HD deal with it.

I was also taught to trust someone until that person proves he can not be
trusted. $7.00 and a blabbermouth has shown me and the rest of the group
that hbakker can not be trusted.

Like George K., at least I can sleep well at night knowing I did the right
thing. The trouble is, hbakker & Frank probably have no trouble sleeping
either.

DexAZ

"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > So what next? steal the tools, what you are doing is just as
dis-honest,
> > So someone made a mistake,
> > Wouldn't have been better to check with with the store mgr. or the
> person
> > watching the express checkout
> > and see if they could track the person, They paid cash so they probably
> > couldn't
> > But I would be able to sleep better knowing I did.
> >
>
>
> It's not the same as stealing. Geez, it's a couple bucks that someone
> forgot about. How much time of his and the store manager's should be
wasted
> on the impossible task of locating someone who paid in cash? Give me a
> break.
>
> Frank
>
>

Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:43:48 GMT, [email protected] (Lawrence
>Wasserman) pixelated:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
>><...Previous quote snipped...>:
>>>Some states have determined that their residents aren't
>>>competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>>>
>>>Oregon
>>>New Jersey
>>>Parts of Mass.
>>>
>>>Any arguments with their logic?
>>>
>>Yeah, how come Florida isn't included?
>
>FL notwithstanding, competence isn't the issue. We don't have
>to soil our hands with gasoline in Oregon, either.
We don't in Georgia, either. It's just that we are free to choose
whether to drive to the self-service or full-service pumps. Based on
the choices most of us have made, there are fewer opportunities for
the full-service ones, but they are not hard to find. But I'm happy
for you if you feel relieved to turn over the burden of that decision
to the legislators of your state, who surely must know better than you
what you need. ;-)

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"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So what next? steal the tools, what you are doing is just as dis-honest,
> So someone made a mistake,
> Wouldn't have been better to check with with the store mgr. or the
person
> watching the express checkout
> and see if they could track the person, They paid cash so they probably
> couldn't
> But I would be able to sleep better knowing I did.
>


It's not the same as stealing. Geez, it's a couple bucks that someone
forgot about. How much time of his and the store manager's should be wasted
on the impossible task of locating someone who paid in cash? Give me a
break.

Frank

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Silvan wrote:
> > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> > > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
> >
> > Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in years.
> > I didn't know they still existed.
> >
> >
> Some states have determined that their residents aren't
> competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>
> Oregon
> New Jersey
> Parts of Mass.
>
> Any arguments with their logic?
>

How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Trent© wrote:
>
> > Its always aggravating when a guy wants to get another 22¢ into his
> > tank...at stop-and-go and slow speed.
>
> This is something else I don't get. I've *never* waited in line for gas.
> On a rare day when every pump is in use, there's no one at the place up the
> street that's one cent more expensive.

I'm not sure what world the copylefted Trent lives in. In my world, I
have yet to see an automatic cutoff not work on initial fill (only time
I've seen it happen was when continuing to fill after the pump cutoff),
nor have I encountered any gas pumps anywhere that don't allow one to
continue filling after the initial cutoff -- there are times when this
is not just to round out the sale but because the cutoff works
prematurely and there are many more gallons before the tank is actually
full. Also, I've never seen anyone take that much time pumping a few
cents extra to round out the sale -- I see much more time with fumbling
with credit cards, adjusting the hair before moving the car, etc.

>
> I've rarely waited in line for diesel for that matter. I try to plan my
> fuel stops so that I have the option to bail and get fuel later if there's
> a wait. I hate waiting.
>
>

Me too. However, in my area (Tucson) the difference is on the order
of a dime, except at Arco that doesn't take credit cards, thus one
either has to mess with their cash eater or have to pre-pay to pump.
Only thing I hate worse than waiting is having to pre-pay to pump gas.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> "Leslie Gossett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that
> found
> > it.
>
> Actually, in Maine, it is a crime. Title 17A Section 356 - Theft of lost,
> mislaid or mistakenly delivered property
> A person is guilty of theft if:
> He obtains or exercises control over the property of another which he knows
> to have been lost or mislaid or to have been delivered under a mistake as to
> the identity of the recipient or as to the nature or amount of the property
>

Not a lawyer (thank goodness) either, but I suspect the Maine law also
must have some clause in it that would require said property to have
some means of identifying the rightful owner. i.e. if one finds a
wallet with say $5 in it, taking that wallet is theft. However, if one
finds $5 lying on the sidewalk with no means to identify the rightful
owner, then I suspect there is a clause that this condition is not a
crime.

Wood Butcher wrote:

> "Turn left at the light after the blue building with the big rabbit
> statue out front, then turn right 3 streets before the bridge . . . "
> I thank the gods for my Thomas Guide every time I venture
> into unfamiliar territory around here.

It ain't just Orygon. "Turn when you get to the place where that big oak
tree was that got cut down a few years ago. Then go up the road a piece to
where the old school house burnt down and hang a left. You can't miss it."

--
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:34:04 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> The automatic shutoffs often do not work. I've personally gotten a
>> gasoline bath at least a half dozen times...while holding the handle
>> down.
>>
>
> Then you must pump gas from some pretty poorly maintained places.

These were in 6 different locations...over a period of at least 20+
years. And the stations were modern and clean. I have no idea if
they were poorly maintained...but it certainly didn't look like they
were.

> In
>the past 25 years since self-serve became the vogue, I can remember only
>one time when the cutoff didn't work,

So then, I guess I fail to see your point. You are just one
person...and I am just one person. Yet you and I have BOTH seen the
auto shutoffs fail. Now...multiply that by hundreds of thousands of
pumps...and millions of people using the pumps each day.

>and that was only after it had
>activated once and I was trying to get the numbers to come out to a
>currency round number.

The newer pumps won't let you do that. After the auto shutoff kicks
in, you can't pull the handle again. You must restart the pump as a
new customer. This has proven to be a big time saver...and moves the
other cars along much more quickly.

Its always aggravating when a guy wants to get another 22¢ into his
tank...at stop-and-go and slow speed.

BTW...was that stationed poorly maintained?

> I suspect that the local fire marshal would shut down a place rather
>quickly were it found that its automated cutoffs were inoperative;

I'm sure they would. But that can't happen, of course, until the
FIRST one doesn't work. So...how many FIRST ones do you think there
are in this country each day?

In reality, fire marshall's are rarely called out for this kind of
problem. In most cases, the pump operator/customer will report it to
the inside office...and they have their maintenance folks fix the
problem. Many stations...but not all, I'm sure...will even cover that
nozzle and mark it out of service until the problem is fixed.

>that's a hazard whether you are forcing people to get cramps in their
>hands in the freezing cold while being forced to act like metal stops or
>whether you have metal stops holding the nozzle open.

In my area, you see fewer and fewer hold-open nozzles. I have no
doubt that they'll be outlawed in the near future...which they should
be, of course.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:22:11 GMT, "Michael Daly"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 16-Oct-2003, "Leslie Gossett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that found
>> it.
>
>NAL, but I believe it belongs to the store! You're not in a public place.
>
>Mike

Exactly. Its an over-or-short of a cash register. This one happens
to be unmanned.

HD...or the clerk, depending on their company policy...will be
responsible for any shortage. Any overages over the year offset these
kinds of shortages.

The money belongs to the store...to be refunded to the proper person
if possible. If that's not possible, their company policy will
determine how the money is directed.

Most small companies include this kind of money as either Other Income
or Other Expense.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

Not to argue the point, but just a few of my tuppence's:

Not a damn thing sanctimonious about refusing to take something that doesn't
belong to you ... making a public noise about it, perhaps.

$2 to $5 is NOT small change to me, and I am far from being poor.

And how do you know the guy who forgot the change is a "Bozo"?

Seems reasonable to conclude that convincing yourself of that is the first
step in rationalizing the act. ;>)

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"Scott Cramer" wrote in message

> Me too - and without being a sanctimonious prat. How the hell could
> anybody track down the bozo who left the small change behind? You make it
> sound like he stole somebody's credit card.

"David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Leslie Gossett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that
> found
> > it.
>
> Actually, in Maine, it is a crime. Title 17A Section 356 - Theft of lost,
> mislaid or mistakenly delivered property
> A person is guilty of theft if:
> He obtains or exercises control over the property of another which he knows
> to have been lost or mislaid or to have been delivered under a mistake as to
> the identity of the recipient or as to the nature or amount of the property

is also a crime to speed in Maine. Do you EVER do that?

Dave Hall

Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:41:07 -0400, "Jim Helfer"
> <jhelfer@REMOVE~THISwtwarch.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Should we teach our children that stealing a small sum is of small
>> consequence or should we teach them that stealing is wrong?

Hi Tom,

Well, to paraphrase a recent President, it depends on whet your
definition of "stealing" is. :-)

Is it stealing to take something that doesn't belong to you? Yes.

Is it stealing to find something that has been lost and keep it for
yourself when there is no way to determine who the true owner is?
Moral dilemma time for some; a black and white issue for the rest with
most probably coming down on the side of "keep it". Most states have
laws regarding lost items and in many places, you turn the item over
to the police and after so many days, if no one has claimed it, it
belongs to the finder.

>> It is then Pride which allows someone to claim as his own that
which
>> does not belong to him, in violation of any concept of morality
that
>> has been expressed in Western Culture for at least twenty five
hundred
>> years.

Unfortunately, many moral concepts have been little more than concepts
in Western Culture. For example, museums throughout Europe and
America (the British Museum, most notably) are filled with artifacts
taken from around the world without regard to legal ownership. There
is a debate over whether the archeologists who collected these
artifacts were plunderers or preservers.
See: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3190360.stm>

Is it any wonder that this debate is going on over a few dollars?

Weldon

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:03:23 GMT, Mark & Juanita
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <3uLjb.357433$Lnr1.267559
> >@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, [email protected]
> >says...
> >> On 16-Oct-2003, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
> >> > aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
> >>
> >> I was consulting for an oil company earlier this year and got to watch a
> >> video from a service station taken the day before. Self serve dispensers
> >> are not allowed to have locking (i.e always on) nozzles. A woman in a van
> >> managed to jam one open and got back into her vehicle to wait. It overflowed
> >> and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
> >> joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open with
> >> a cigarette lighter. Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
> >> And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.
> >>
> >
> > Self serve dispensers here in AZ are allowed to have locking nozzles.
> >However, the nozzles must be self-shutoff when they sense back pressure
> >(seems a more elegant solution than making folks -- especially older
> >folks who may have arthritis or other ailments) have to hold a nozzle on
> >while the car fills.
>
> The automatic shutoffs often do not work. I've personally gotten a
> gasoline bath at least a half dozen times...while holding the handle
> down.
>

Then you must pump gas from some pretty poorly maintained places. In
the past 25 years since self-serve became the vogue, I can remember only
one time when the cutoff didn't work, and that was only after it had
activated once and I was trying to get the numbers to come out to a
currency round number.

I suspect that the local fire marshal would shut down a place rather
quickly were it found that its automated cutoffs were inoperative;
that's a hazard whether you are forcing people to get cramps in their
hands in the freezing cold while being forced to act like metal stops or
whether you have metal stops holding the nozzle open.

"Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:S_dlb.605445$cF.272571@rwcrnsc53...
> These are nice points but they don't address the issue of
> having no choice and being prohibited from pumping your
> own.
>
> Art

I'm not sure if you would be prohibited 100% or just for the "masses". I
don't know that pump jockeys have a very intensive training program, but
today, they may.

There are some people that should not be trusted with such a skill. Perhaps
if you went to a particular station on a regular basis the owner would let
you pump yourself. Or just take the 90 day training program and get your
own certification.
Ed

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:13:07 -0400, "hbakker" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility and
>paying the bill with hard cash!
>
>So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL where
>previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the "talking
>computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!
>
>I'm not "fingering" return slots at public telephones but I may get that
>habit while doing my (weekly) shopping run at a HD.....could pay for the
>gas...!!
>

So -you're- the asshole that took my change. I came back 10 minutes
later when I remembered it, and it was gone.

Theiving bastard even thinks it funny so he posts his theft so the
world can see.

I see your idiot and raise you.
When I moved to Orygun 6 years ago I was flabbergasted
at the way many people give directions to somewhere. They
don't know the street names or even the compass points.
"Turn left at the light after the blue building with the big rabbit
statue out front, then turn right 3 streets before the bridge . . . "
I thank the gods for my Thomas Guide every time I venture
into unfamiliar territory around here.

Art


"Rico" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I took the cans into a store in Brookings to recycle them,
> and the Orygon bimbo at the counter said "We can't give you
> a refund for these cans, you have ruined them, how could
> they ever refill them."
>
> I asked her to call her manager, who fortunately was a
> transplant from California and had at least a double digit
> IQ. He told her that they melted the cans down and that it
> didn't matter that they were bent. That's why it takes 90
> days to train them.
>
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"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
> >joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open
with
> >a cigarette lighter. Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
> >And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.
> >
> >Mike
>

> What city and state did this happen in, Mike. I'd like to look it up.
>
> Trent

I saw this on our news in CT. It did not happen here but they made a big
deal about getting back into the car and getting out to take the filler out.
Women are more prone to do static because of the stocking they wear. They
also got into filling gas cans in the back of a pickup as fumes can collect
there, just like when you fuel a boat.

I once picked up a nozzle from the pump, hit the start button and had gas
spew out as the previous user jammed the handle in the "on" position. No
damage, but it did stink from the spill.

As for the latch device, I know some states do not permit them, but a
station in my town just got all new hoses and nozzles and they all have the
latch. That is one reason I like that station. There pumps also have a
higher capacity than many of the newer self serve models.

Keeping this on topic, I filled the tank so I could drive to the lumber yard
to buy some wood.
Ed

Well Low and Behold I thought for sure that i was going to get flamed like
hell for shooting my mouth off
To all the honest folk here thank you for the support.

For those that disagree, as Swingman wrote he's far from broke but the 2 or
5 dollars was a lot to him,
I've known of people that it was a matter of eating or not, Maybe they were
not to bright maybe they were a Bozo.
Some people don't have it as good as others, some people do not have the
intelligence to earn a good living why should they have to endure further
hardships because someone thought they were stupid enough to leave their
money in the machine.
Okay its only 2 bucks or 5 bucks what happens whether its 10 or 20 where do
you draw the line. Perhaps at 50.00
Then we have the rationalizations of HD going to Keep it or the clerk will
keep it, You know your right they might
still do not know how it made it right to take it.

I hope that I do not recognize your name bitching about someone screwing you
over about something that cost you 2 bucks or 5 bucks,
The old saying what goes around comes around.

Aw shit my soap box just broke, enough, I'm outa here
George

"Chris Merrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Patterson wrote:
> > Theiving bastard even thinks it funny so he posts his theft so the
> > world can see.
>
> finders...keepers...loosers...well, you know ;)
>
>
> --
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> (remove the ZZZ to contact me)
> ************************************
>

In article <[email protected]>,
Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
<...Previous quote snipped...>:
>Some states have determined that their residents aren't
>competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>
>Oregon
>New Jersey
>Parts of Mass.
>
>Any arguments with their logic?
>
Yeah, how come Florida isn't included?


--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Chris) wrote:
>
>customers pumping their own gas are slower than a station attendant
>pumping gas

This is just silly. The time it takes to stick the nozzle in the tank is
insignificant, compared to the time it takes for the pump to deliver fifteen
or twenty gallons of gas. Plus, it takes a *lot* more time to pay an
attendant, than it does to just swipe a MasterCard in the pump. I try to buy
all my gas at stations with credit-card pumps because it saves so much time.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

You don't have to trust him. Why should anyone worry about being trusted
here anyway? I didn't know this was a forum for buying and selling. I could
care less if we were all thieves.



"DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me that if
it
> is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong to someone else.
> Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book, hbakker should have
given
> the cash to the attendant of the automated lanes and let HD deal with it.
>
> I was also taught to trust someone until that person proves he can not be
> trusted. $7.00 and a blabbermouth has shown me and the rest of the group
> that hbakker can not be trusted.
>
> Like George K., at least I can sleep well at night knowing I did the right
> thing. The trouble is, hbakker & Frank probably have no trouble sleeping
> either.
>
> DexAZ
>
> "Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > So what next? steal the tools, what you are doing is just as
> dis-honest,
> > > So someone made a mistake,
> > > Wouldn't have been better to check with with the store mgr. or the
> > person
> > > watching the express checkout
> > > and see if they could track the person, They paid cash so they
probably
> > > couldn't
> > > But I would be able to sleep better knowing I did.
> > >
> >
> >
> > It's not the same as stealing. Geez, it's a couple bucks that someone
> > forgot about. How much time of his and the store manager's should be
> wasted
> > on the impossible task of locating someone who paid in cash? Give me a
> > break.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>
>

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> I despise the idea of a self checkout. I refuse to use them in any store.
> Like self serve gas, you don't save any money, but the seller reaps higher
> profits.
>
> To clarify, full service gas is priced as much as 25¢ a gallon higher than
> self serve, but that is an artificial price. In MA, each town decides if
> self serve is allowed. Gas stations across the street from each other on
> the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
> Ed
>
>

I don't care for the self serve checkout at the Borg, but
difinitely prefer self serve gas stations. At a self serve
gas station the service is faster, better and more honest.


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Silvan wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
>
> Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in years.
> I didn't know they still existed.
>
>
Some states have determined that their residents aren't
competent enough to pump their own gasoline.

Oregon
New Jersey
Parts of Mass.

Any arguments with their logic?


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Trent© wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:40:58 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> Some states have determined that their residents aren't
> >>> competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
> >>>
> >>> Oregon
> >>> New Jersey
> >>> Parts of Mass.
> >>>
> >>> Any arguments with their logic?
> >>>
> >>
> >> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
> >>aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
> >
> >That obviously confirms how bright those of us living outside of those
> >states are.
>
> I've always wondered what they did with 'Old Jersey'.
>
>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent

It's still there

http://hiwaay.net/~hfears/misc/old_maps.htm

http://www.jersey.com/journey/seewhere.htm

However it is further from old York than New Jersey is from
New York

Dick


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Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Chris) wrote:
> >
> >customers pumping their own gas are slower than a station attendant
> >pumping gas
>
> This is just silly. The time it takes to stick the nozzle in the tank is
> insignificant, compared to the time it takes for the pump to deliver fifteen
> or twenty gallons of gas. Plus, it takes a *lot* more time to pay an
> attendant, than it does to just swipe a MasterCard in the pump. I try to buy
> all my gas at stations with credit-card pumps because it saves so much time.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>

Plus, you aren't surrounded by people too dumb to pump their
own gas :)



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BigDog wrote:
> Silvan wrote in rec.woodworking
>
> > alexy wrote:
> >
> >> Boy, this is going downhill fast! Anybody tried any of that Kentucky
> >> Jelly? <g>
> >
> > Yes.
> >
>
> Can't go wrong with some jalapeno jelly.
>
>
>
>
That would be invigorating 8-O


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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
>
> "Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:S_dlb.605445$cF.272571@rwcrnsc53...
> > These are nice points but they don't address the issue of
> > having no choice and being prohibited from pumping your
> > own.
> >
> > Art
>
> I'm not sure if you would be prohibited 100% or just for the "masses". I
> don't know that pump jockeys have a very intensive training program, but
> today, they may.
>
> There are some people that should not be trusted with such a skill. Perhaps
> if you went to a particular station on a regular basis the owner would let
> you pump yourself. Or just take the 90 day training program and get your
> own certification.
> Ed
>
>
>

In Oregon, the station get's fined for letting you pump your own gas.

kenR wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
> >
> >
> > "Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:S_dlb.605445$cF.272571@rwcrnsc53...
> > > These are nice points but they don't address the issue of
> > > having no choice and being prohibited from pumping your
> > > own.
> > >
> > > Art
> >
> > I'm not sure if you would be prohibited 100% or just for the "masses". I
> > don't know that pump jockeys have a very intensive training program, but
> > today, they may.
> >
> > There are some people that should not be trusted with such a skill. Perhaps
> > if you went to a particular station on a regular basis the owner would let
> > you pump yourself. Or just take the 90 day training program and get your
> > own certification.
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
>
> In Oregon, the station get's fined for letting you pump your own gas.
>
If you are riding a motorcycle and look at them sternly they
back off and hand you the hose to fill it yourself. I have
never once had one of the high school dropouts manning the
gas pumps in Orygun insist on filling my MC gas tank.

True story:

We were headed home to California after spending a week
traveling around Orygun in our camper. We stopped in
Brookings headed south on our way out of Orygun to get some
groceries and trade in our weeks worth of empty beverage
cans.

Being a space efficient guy, I had crushed the beverage
cans, leaving the Orygun recycling notice visible.

I took the cans into a store in Brookings to recycle them,
and the Orygon bimbo at the counter said "We can't give you
a refund for these cans, you have ruined them, how could
they ever refill them."

I asked her to call her manager, who fortunately was a
transplant from California and had at least a double digit
IQ. He told her that they melted the cans down and that it
didn't matter that they were bent. That's why it takes 90
days to train them.

Rico






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Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:52:03 -0700, Rico <[email protected]> pixelated:
>
> -snip-
> >I took the cans into a store in Brookings to recycle them,
> >and the Orygon bimbo at the counter said "We can't give you
> >a refund for these cans, you have ruined them, how could
> >they ever refill them."
> >
> >I asked her to call her manager, who fortunately was a
> >transplant from California and had at least a double digit
> >IQ. He told her that they melted the cans down and that it
> >didn't matter that they were bent. That's why it takes 90
> >days to train them.
>
> Hoboy. She would have worked out well in a MickeyD's. They
> don't have numbers on their cash registers, just pictures.
>
> And I guess the last 6'9" 350lb guy on a $25,000 scoot with a
> $3,000 lacquer job showed that pump jockey who was boss, eh?
>

I heard you raised the average IQ of both states when you
moved :):):)

Don't get me wrong, I like Oregon and was born there, but it
is definitely in a different time zone. Mostly good
differences, but different.

On Topic: They have a lot of wood.

Dick


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"hbakker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility and
> paying the bill with hard cash!
>
> So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL where
> previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the "talking
> computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!

I despise the idea of a self checkout. I refuse to use them in any store.
Like self serve gas, you don't save any money, but the seller reaps higher
profits.

To clarify, full service gas is priced as much as 25¢ a gallon higher than
self serve, but that is an artificial price. In MA, each town decides if
self serve is allowed. Gas stations across the street from each other on
the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
Ed

I agree that competency is not the issue. I suspect it
has more to do with continuing to provide a low level
service job. And the level of service I get is definitely
low. Typically there is 1 jockey making a half hearted
attempt to work 8 pumps. As for tips, I don't know if
they are allowed or not, but either way the jockeys don't
earn them IMO. I'd rather pump it myself.

Art



"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote :
>
[snip]
> FL notwithstanding, competence isn't the issue. We don't have
> to soil our hands with gasoline in Oregon, either. And the
> guys at Albertson's Express Gas don't accept tips. I like it.
>

These are nice points but they don't address the issue of
having no choice and being prohibited from pumping your
own.

Art

"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> It's also nice to pass on the task when it's January, raining like the
> devil with 50 mph winds; when you're dressed up for some speshul event;
> or, when you've got a very young one in the car and certainly shouldn't
> leave him or her while you go in to pay.
>
> As to the higher cost for the no-self-serve that some claim, in northern
> Oregon, it's only cheaper in the border towns of Washington (all
> self-serve)- once you travel north for 30-40 miles and hit the
> mid-section and then Seattle area, it's the same or more expensive than
> the Portland area.
>
> Sure there are times when the service seems slow, but those are fairly
> infrequent. I'm in favor of the system -the folks personing the pumps
> obviously need the work and I'd rather not do the task myself. I pumped
> my own for upwards of 25 years and can't say I miss it in the least.
>
> --
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> Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
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On 16-Oct-2003, "Leslie Gossett" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that found
> it.

NAL, but I believe it belongs to the store! You're not in a public place.

Mike

On 16 Oct 2003, DexAZ spake unto rec.woodworking:

> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me that
> if it is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong to
> someone else. Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book,
> hbakker should have given the cash to the attendant of the automated
> lanes and let HD deal with it.

How? Put the cash in the lost and found box? Get real. It would
have ended up back in the till, at best. More likely, in the HD
attendant's pocket.

> I was also taught to trust someone until that person proves he can not
> be trusted. $7.00 and a blabbermouth has shown me and the rest of the
> group that hbakker can not be trusted.
>
> Like George K., at least I can sleep well at night

Me too - and without being a sanctimonious prat. How the hell could
anybody track down the bozo who left the small change behind? You make it
sound like he stole somebody's credit card.

On 16 Oct 2003, Swingman spake unto rec.woodworking:

> Not to argue the point, but just a few of my tuppence's:
>
> Not a damn thing sanctimonious about refusing to take something that
> doesn't belong to you ... making a public noise about it, perhaps.

The public noise is indeed what I find sanctimonious. That, and the
poster's absurd conclusion that the guy he castigated for taking seven
abandoned dollars could not, by extension, be trusted AT ALL. And the same
for any other TOTAL STRANGER who agreed with the guy.

> $2 to $5 is NOT small change to me, and I am far from being poor.

No, but it probably isn't the difference between taking an early
retirement or not.

> And how do you know the guy who forgot the change is a "Bozo"?

I meant "Bozo" in the sense of "hapless schmuck", not "idiot".

> Seems reasonable to conclude that convincing yourself of that is the
> first step in rationalizing the act. ;>)

Now YOU'RE the one making grossly generalized assumptions :-P

On 16 Oct 2003, Doug Miller spake unto rec.woodworking:

> In article <[email protected]>, Scott
> Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 16 Oct 2003, DexAZ spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>
>>> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me
>>> that if it is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong
>>> to someone else. Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book,
>>> hbakker should have given the cash to the attendant of the automated
>>> lanes and let HD deal with it.
>>
>> How? Put the cash in the lost and found box? Get real. It
>> would
>>have ended up back in the till, at best. More likely, in the HD
>>attendant's pocket.
>>
> So... it's ok to take something that is not yours, because if you
> don't take it, someone else will?

In this particular circumstance, when there is no way to know who the
rightful owner is, and the alternative is to let it be assimilated by the
borg? Yes.

Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in
> years. I didn't know they still existed.
>

Stay away from New Jersey then. Crazy legislators think people are too
dumb to pump their own gas. (It's illegal)

NJBrad

Silvan wrote in rec.woodworking

> alexy wrote:
>
>> Boy, this is going downhill fast! Anybody tried any of that Kentucky
>> Jelly? <g>
>
> Yes.
>

Can't go wrong with some jalapeno jelly.



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>
> I think the point, and the reason I use them frequently, is speed of
> checkout and convienience. I've been using the one at my local grocery
> store for 3 years now, and was overjoyed to see them pop up at my local
> BORG.
>

Agreed.....this is particularly true if you only have a few items. Getting
stuck behind someone's entire weekend project can be frustrating. Also, the
self-checkout machines don't tend to get caught up in casual conversations
while a half dozen people wait in line ;)

The reason I don't patronize the self-checkouts at HD and my local
grocery stores is twofold: a) I'm not as fast and accurate as the
checker, and b) self-service checkout stands take away jobs. With
jobs disappearing as fast as the U.S. budget surplus I don't think
it's a very good idea to facilitate the process. Besides, why should
I have to do the work when I don't get a discount?

In article <3uLjb.357433$Lnr1.267559
@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, [email protected]
says...
> On 16-Oct-2003, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
> > aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>
> I was consulting for an oil company earlier this year and got to watch a
> video from a service station taken the day before. Self serve dispensers
> are not allowed to have locking (i.e always on) nozzles. A woman in a van
> managed to jam one open and got back into her vehicle to wait. It overflowed
> and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
> joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open with
> a cigarette lighter. Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
> And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.
>

Self serve dispensers here in AZ are allowed to have locking nozzles.
However, the nozzles must be self-shutoff when they sense back pressure
(seems a more elegant solution than making folks -- especially older
folks who may have arthritis or other ailments) have to hold a nozzle on
while the car fills.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:06 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:

[snip]

> Should we teach our children that stealing a small sum is of small
> consequence or should we teach them that stealing is wrong?

Apparently, the lessons of the late '90's concerning moral relativism
in pervarication have spilled over to ownership :-(

-Doug

Trent© wrote:

> Its always aggravating when a guy wants to get another 22¢ into his
> tank...at stop-and-go and slow speed.

This is something else I don't get. I've *never* waited in line for gas.
On a rare day when every pump is in use, there's no one at the place up the
street that's one cent more expensive.

I've rarely waited in line for diesel for that matter. I try to plan my
fuel stops so that I have the option to bail and get fuel later if there's
a wait. I hate waiting.

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> No. one: "collecting" does not and did not imply KEEPING the money. At both
> times I showed the cash to the attendant who, in her best Spanish/English
> told me: "keep it. I don't know who forgot that" , respectively at the
> second store, said to me: "Thanks! This happened a few times more. It's
> "just" two bucks and it's like finding it on the street. There are no
> customers around now - who can tell who's the owner. Take it home". And so
> I kept the cash. (And next time I may even forget to check the slot).
>
That should shut up all the holier-than-thous, but it won't :-).

--
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Trent© wrote:
> Exactly. Its an over-or-short of a cash register. This one happens
> to be unmanned.
>
> HD...or the clerk, depending on their company policy...will be
> responsible for any shortage. Any overages over the year offset these
> kinds of shortages.

If it was change left by the previous customer, it is not an overage or
shortage of the register. The register did exactly what it was supposed
to do. The money belongs to the customer that left it or the next person
to pick it up (depending on how you look at it). It definitely does not
belong to the BORG.

--
Donnie Vazquez
Sunderland, MD

Trent© wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:49:51 -0400, Donnie Vazquez
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Trent© wrote:
>>
>>>Exactly. Its an over-or-short of a cash register. This one happens
>>>to be unmanned.
>>>
>>>HD...or the clerk, depending on their company policy...will be
>>>responsible for any shortage. Any overages over the year offset these
>>>kinds of shortages.
>>
>>If it was change left by the previous customer, it is not an overage or
>>shortage of the register. The register did exactly what it was supposed
>>to do. The money belongs to the customer that left it or the next person
>>to pick it up (depending on how you look at it). It definitely does not
>>belong to the BORG.
>
>
> Tell us exactly how you know the machine didn't malfunction.

I don't. Hence the word IF. You know, the VERY FIRST WORD in my post.
Re-read and try again you smug prick :-)

--
Donnie Vazquez
Sunderland, MD

In article <[email protected]>,
Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
>The automatic shutoffs often do not work. I've personally gotten a
>gasoline bath at least a half dozen times...while holding the handle
>down.

I've never had this happen. I've been using self-serve in Calif since
they became popular, however long that's been. I started driving in
1970, got my first car in 1972.


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Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:


>> Some states have determined that their residents aren't
>> competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>>
>> Oregon
>> New Jersey
>> Parts of Mass.
>>
>> Any arguments with their logic?
>>
>
> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?

That obviously confirms how bright those of us living outside of those
states are.
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>"alexy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> 90-day training program for gas pumping certification?!?! I am deathly
>> afraid of having my car filled by anyone who needs 90 days to learn
>> how. If I can train my dog to do it in three weeks, do you think that
>> would be okay? <g>
>
>There is another method. My wife just says "my car needs gas". Works for
>her every time.
>Ed
>

Yeah, mine has a similar lap dog <g>.
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.

Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in years.
I didn't know they still existed.

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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>"Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:S_dlb.605445$cF.272571@rwcrnsc53...
>> These are nice points but they don't address the issue of
>> having no choice and being prohibited from pumping your
>> own.
>>
>> Art
>
>I'm not sure if you would be prohibited 100% or just for the "masses". I
>don't know that pump jockeys have a very intensive training program, but
>today, they may.
>
> There are some people that should not be trusted with such a skill. Perhaps
>if you went to a particular station on a regular basis the owner would let
>you pump yourself. Or just take the 90 day training program and get your
>own certification.
>Ed

90-day training program for gas pumping certification?!?! I am deathly
afraid of having my car filled by anyone who needs 90 days to learn
how. If I can train my dog to do it in three weeks, do you think that
would be okay? <g>

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Mike Patterson wrote:
> Theiving bastard even thinks it funny so he posts his theft so the
> world can see.

finders...keepers...loosers...well, you know ;)


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Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Silvan wrote:
> > > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > >
> > > > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> > > > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
> > >
> > > Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in years.
> > > I didn't know they still existed.
> > >
> > >
> > Some states have determined that their residents aren't
> > competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
> >
> > Oregon
> > New Jersey
> > Parts of Mass.
> >
> > Any arguments with their logic?
> >
>
> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
> aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>

I hate having to fill up in self-serve states.

Here in NJ, there have been a few pushes in the past (mostly by the
oil companies) to get NJ to change the law prohibiting self serve.
But it's been at least 15 years since they tried. I think this is
because they discovered that it doesn't save them any money, and may
actually end up costing money. Don't believe me?

Most gas stations around here employ 1 or 2 people at any given time
to man the pumps. They usually have 6 or 8 pumps, that may or may not
have a roof over the top to protect them from the elements.

Most self-serve stations I have been to in other states STILL employ 1
or 2 people at any given time, PLUS they have AT LEAST 8 pumps,
sometimes 12, 16 or 20, usually much newer and cleaner WITH a room
overhead. The roof and the newer facilities are to attract customers
who don't want to be out in the rain pumping gas with dirty pump
nozzles. They still need someone inside to take the money, BUT since
customers pumping their own gas are slower than a station attendant
pumping gas, they need more pumps, they need the roof, they need to
maintain the pumps better - all this cost them money AND you still
have to get out of your car when it is cold and get your hands smelly
to pump your own gas.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

-Chris

On 17 Oct 2003 09:42:14 -0700, [email protected] (Chris)
wrote:

>Here in NJ, there have been a few pushes in the past (mostly by the
>oil companies) to get NJ to change the law prohibiting self serve.
>But it's been at least 15 years since they tried. I think this is
>because they discovered that it doesn't save them any money, and may
>actually end up costing money. Don't believe me?

Nope.

>
>Most gas stations around here employ 1 or 2 people at any given time
>to man the pumps. They usually have 6 or 8 pumps, that may or may not
>have a roof over the top to protect them from the elements.

So...they have 1 or 2 people pumping gas.

>Most self-serve stations I have been to in other states STILL employ 1
>or 2 people at any given time, PLUS they have AT LEAST 8 pumps,
>sometimes 12, 16 or 20, usually much newer and cleaner WITH a room
>overhead.

So...they have 12, 16, or 20 people pumping gas.

20 people pumping gas will pump more gas per hour than 2 people
pumping gas.

>The roof and the newer facilities are to attract customers
>who don't want to be out in the rain pumping gas with dirty pump
>nozzles. They still need someone inside to take the money,

Most of the time, this is not true. Most self-serve stations allow
you to pay at the pump. And most folks take advantage of this
convenience.

>BUT since
>customers pumping their own gas are slower than a station attendant
>pumping gas,

It would actually be the other way around. Full-service folk need to
take the payment inside to process it. That takes extra time.

And what if the customer pays by credit/debit card...and its refused.
Then he has a collection problem.

Self-serve pre-pay requires pre-approval...which can save a lot of
time.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:52:03 -0700, Rico <[email protected]> pixelated:

-snip-
>I took the cans into a store in Brookings to recycle them,
>and the Orygon bimbo at the counter said "We can't give you
>a refund for these cans, you have ruined them, how could
>they ever refill them."
>
>I asked her to call her manager, who fortunately was a
>transplant from California and had at least a double digit
>IQ. He told her that they melted the cans down and that it
>didn't matter that they were bent. That's why it takes 90
>days to train them.

Hoboy. She would have worked out well in a MickeyD's. They
don't have numbers on their cash registers, just pictures.

And I guess the last 6'9" 350lb guy on a $25,000 scoot with a
$3,000 lacquer job showed that pump jockey who was boss, eh?

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In article <[email protected]>,
dicko <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 06:08:58 GMT, [email protected] (Xane
>"MegaWolf" T.) wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:18:57 GMT, Mark & Juanita
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>>>aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>>>
>>
>>Discovery Channel's 'Mythbusters' just recently ran a show testing to
>>see if a cel phone could blow up a gas station [I've seen gas stations
>>that even have official looking signs 'turn phones off']. After
>>several failed attempts with both cel phones /and/ static sparks, they
>>found that it takes a REALLY exact mixture of oxygen and gas fumes to
>>spark a fire. And cel phones CANNOT start one, even under perfect
>>laboratory conditions.
>
>Just to set the record straight, like all legends, there is (was) a
>grain of truth to this.
>
>In the old days (we're talking before the invention transistors here),
>2-way radios were built in two parts, a control head that mounted
>under the dashboard, and a radio unit, that mounted in the trunk.
>These radios were big clunky tube things that used many hundreds of
>volts to generate their RF, and were often mounted near the gas tank
>filler tube of the car.

*AND* the vacuum tubes usually got the required 'high voltage', from
a device called a 'dynamotor'. Think of a 12-VDC *BRUSH*TYPE* motor
driving a generator that produced several hundred volts. Usually there
was near-continuous arcing going on at the dynamotor brushes, *regardless*
of whether you were in transmit or receive.

>Switching from receive to transmit did two things. First it switched
>the high voltage to the transmitter with an open (un-enclosed) relay
>contact that often times arced horribly (think massive spark). Second,
>it switched the antenna wire from the receiver to transmitter (again
>with a massive spark).
>
>So now you have all the conditions for a good explosion:
>1. enclosed space (the trunk)
>2. ignition source (the sparking relay)
>3. proximity to fuel (leaking filler tube)
>
>And as I recall, all the 2-way radio user manuals of the time
>cautioned about filling up and transmitting at the same time.

YUP. These were also relatively _high_power_ transmitters -- 50 watt,
100 watt, or even more. there was a non-trivial risk of a 'random' piece
of metal(anywhere _near_ the transmitting antenna) acting as a -receiving-
antenna with enough efficiency to generate enough voltage to jump a
relatively small distance to 'ground'. That big bumper-mount antenna was
only a foot or so away from where the gas fumes were pouring out of the
gas tank.

Not a _probable occurrence, but the 'downside risk' was "bad enough" to
justify 'unreasonable precautions' to avoid it.

>However, nowadays, with today's modern solid state, low voltage
>electronics, all switching is either done by hermetically enclosed
>reed switches or by solid state switches so there is no possibility of
>getting an arc to ignite gas fumes.

The -other- risks, of stray RF pickup/rectification, and jumping to ground
do remain. *Virtually* non-existent, however due to the much, *MUCH* lower
power levels used -- modern cell-phones transmit with 0.6 watts _maximum_,
and as much *less* than that as will suffice to maintain communications.
(the cell tower actually 'tells' the phone to reduce power, till its at
the 'minimum' effective level. :)
>
>Not to mention the fact that a cellphone doesnt have an antenna switch
>since it's full duplex.
>
>I think the first 2-way radio with hermetically sealed relays first
>shipped in 1970 (Motorola Micor) but many poorly funded police

>departments and cab companies continued using the old equipment well
>into the '80s so it wasnt all that long ago that a car could still
>blow up.
>
>So yes, it's an urban myth today and deserves to be roundly debunked,
>but at one time it really was possible to blow up a car simply by
>talking on your radio. But this is way way off topic now...

It is *still* a concern, for vehicles running 'higher power" business-band
(or other, e.g. "ham") 2-way radio systems, . It is only cell-phone
technology where it is a true non-issue.

as noted, getting _way_ off-topic.

"alexy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> 90-day training program for gas pumping certification?!?! I am deathly
> afraid of having my car filled by anyone who needs 90 days to learn
> how. If I can train my dog to do it in three weeks, do you think that
> would be okay? <g>

There is another method. My wife just says "my car needs gas". Works for
her every time.
Ed

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:01:34 GMT, Scott Cramer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 16 Oct 2003, Doug Miller spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Scott
>> Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On 16 Oct 2003, DexAZ spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>>
>>>> I guess we were bought up differently, Frank. My folks taught me
>>>> that if it is _not_ mine, I should _not_ take it. It _does_ belong
>>>> to someone else. Therefore, to take it _IS_ stealing. In my book,
>>>> hbakker should have given the cash to the attendant of the automated
>>>> lanes and let HD deal with it.
>>>
>>> How? Put the cash in the lost and found box? Get real. It
>>> would
>>>have ended up back in the till, at best. More likely, in the HD
>>>attendant's pocket.
>>>
>> So... it's ok to take something that is not yours, because if you
>> don't take it, someone else will?
>
> In this particular circumstance, when there is no way to know who the
>rightful owner is, and the alternative is to let it be assimilated by the
>borg? Yes.

Assimilated? Its the Borg's MONEY! Its not laying on the floor. Its
in a cash register...actually, the cash dispenser from a sales
transaction. It belongs to HD.

It may actually be a bad/extra feed from the mechanical part of the
dispenser. Its doesn't necessarily hafta be a customer's money left
in the chute.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

Nice Tom, Real Nice, However Its unfortunate that so many still will not
get it.

"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lost and Found
>
>
> An angel left some money sit
> Upon the counting table
> A good thief came to claim it
> Saying, "Now I will be able
> to buy a good thing for myself
> and maybe I'll get Cable."
>
> An angel left some money sit
> Upon the counting table
> A bad thief came to claim it
> Saying, "Now I will be able
> to buy a good thing for myself
> a half an hour with Mabel."
>
> An angel left some money sit
> Upon the counting table
> A good man came to claim it
> Saying, "Now I will be able
> To buy a good thing for the poor
> To make those poor more able."
>
> An angel left some money sit
> Upon the counting table
> An old man came and picked it up
> And, turning to the angel
> Said, "I believe you dropped this sir
> Upon this counting table."
>
> The angel spread apart his wings
> The old man held his ground
> They left together right away
> And didn't make a sound
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:59:29 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
>> >joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open
>with
>> >a cigarette lighter. Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
>> >And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.
>> >
>> >Mike
>>
>
>> What city and state did this happen in, Mike. I'd like to look it up.
>>
>> Trent
>
>I saw this on our news in CT.

You saw the video of the woman burning, Ed?


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:19:56 -0400, Trent© <[email protected]>
pixelated:

>>for you if you feel relieved to turn over the burden of that decision
>>to the legislators of your state, who surely must know better than you
>>what you need. ;-)
>
>Like...seat belts?

Since I have to pay for insurance and hospitals, I want you to have
a seat belt on and a helmet on a bike. I'd prefer that they allow
those who chose not to wear them to also opt out of the insurance
and hospitalization plans so we didn't have to pay for them. (fat
chance of that thanks to bleeding heart liberals) I am VERY happy
to let someone who doesn't want to live to die quickly and I have
a durable power of attorney (hmm, is that still valid here in OR?)
which tells doctors to let me croak should I be too badly damaged or
vegetablized in a wreck. (Fat chance of that due to conservatives.)

What a fine mess you've gotten us into, Ollie! ;)

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So what next? steal the tools, what you are doing is just as dis-honest,
So someone made a mistake,
Wouldn't have been better to check with with the store mgr. or the person
watching the express checkout
and see if they could track the person, They paid cash so they probably
couldn't
But I would be able to sleep better knowing I did.


"hbakker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility and
> paying the bill with hard cash!
>
> So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL where
> previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the "talking
> computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!
>
> I'm not "fingering" return slots at public telephones but I may get that
> habit while doing my (weekly) shopping run at a HD.....could pay for the
> gas...!!
>
>

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:49:51 -0400, Donnie Vazquez
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Trent© wrote:
>> Exactly. Its an over-or-short of a cash register. This one happens
>> to be unmanned.
>>
>> HD...or the clerk, depending on their company policy...will be
>> responsible for any shortage. Any overages over the year offset these
>> kinds of shortages.
>
>If it was change left by the previous customer, it is not an overage or
>shortage of the register. The register did exactly what it was supposed
>to do. The money belongs to the customer that left it or the next person
>to pick it up (depending on how you look at it). It definitely does not
>belong to the BORG.

Also...

I think yer lookin' at this differently because its an UNMANNED
dispenser of change.

Revise the scenario to $100 in change...and an unmanned machine and
then a register clerk.

Remember the prostitute joke...about a $100 fee for a $1,000,000 fee?
The amount involved has nothing to do with the principle involved.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:26:47 -0700, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> No. one: "collecting" does not and did not imply KEEPING the money. At both
>> times I showed the cash to the attendant who, in her best Spanish/English
>> told me: "keep it. I don't know who forgot that" , respectively at the
>> second store, said to me: "Thanks! This happened a few times more. It's
>> "just" two bucks and it's like finding it on the street. There are no
>> customers around now - who can tell who's the owner. Take it home". And so
>> I kept the cash. (And next time I may even forget to check the slot).
>>
>That should shut up all the holier-than-thous, but it won't :-).

Do YOU believe that story? lol


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

In article <[email protected]>, "Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 16-Oct-2003, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>> aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>
>I was consulting for an oil company earlier this year and got to watch a
>video from a service station taken the day before. Self serve dispensers
>are not allowed to have locking (i.e always on) nozzles.

Maybe where you live... and apparently you don't travel much. I live in
Indiana, and travel frequently to Michigan, and occasionally to Illinois,
Ohio, Alabama, Florida, and Ontario Canada. I can't remember the last time I
used a self-serve pump that did *not* have a locking nozzle. And no, I'm not
getting old enough that my memory is failing. :-)

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 04:40:58 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>> Some states have determined that their residents aren't
>>> competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>>>
>>> Oregon
>>> New Jersey
>>> Parts of Mass.
>>>
>>> Any arguments with their logic?
>>>
>>
>> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>>aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>
>That obviously confirms how bright those of us living outside of those
>states are.

I've always wondered what they did with 'Old Jersey'.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

Edwin Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

> the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.


Then get a AAA Platinum Plus Visa. You get 5% of each pay at the pump
gas transaction rebated to the account with 48 hours. It only works
for pay at the pump transactions, but it works at all brands. :-)

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:09:59 -0400, "hbakker" <[email protected]>
pixelated:

>Boy, we are judgmental, aren't we? This posting was done primarily to make
>people a little bit more attentive and alert when shopping at HD.

Fact: People who don't pay attention lose money and other things.


>FYI: the story is a short one. I decided to post what I liked to say, not
>necessarily ALL the issues. Of course I expected reactions like "thieving"
>etc., just standard thing for Americans to do.
>
>But, to calm you down:
>
>No. one: "collecting" does not and did not imply KEEPING the money. At both
>times I showed the cash to the attendant who, in her best Spanish/English
>told me: "keep it. I don't know who forgot that" , respectively at the

Atta Boy! Your karma's good.


>second store, said to me: "Thanks! This happened a few times more. It's
>"just" two bucks and it's like finding it on the street. There are no
>customers around now - who can tell who's the owner. Take it home". And so
>I kept the cash. (And next time I may even forget to check the slot).

I keep my conscience clear by asking the clerk. If they don't
want it, I keep it and consider it my karma for the last couple
bucks -I- forgot there or somewhere else.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Rico <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you are riding a motorcycle and look at them sternly they
> back off and hand you the hose to fill it yourself. I have
> never once had one of the high school dropouts manning the
> gas pumps in Orygun insist on filling my MC gas tank.

Yeah, I've a 60's golden-oldie - the kids hand me the nozzle to fill it
up and I hand it back when I'm done. Never had a problem.

> Being a space efficient guy, I had crushed the beverage
> cans, leaving the Orygun recycling notice visible.

OHHHH YA CRUSHED 'EM! In my neck of Orygone that makes them much less
than the nickel promised. Was 'splained to me that they have to be sure
the cans qualify for the refund and the barcode readers can't read a
crushed can. Wish they'd just make everything returnable.

--
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Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

> So THAT's what it's like in Upper OR, is it? I'm sure glad
> I don't live there. We get gentle rains here. (so far)
> Seattle just got really HAMMERED, didn't it? I'm glad I don't
> live in WA, either. My buddy passed through the Olympia
> rainforest last spring and said it got 600+ inches annually.
> I'm happy for our meager 32", I tell ya. It's also drier
> here than LoCal, despite double the rainfall. Nice! I'm
> actually looking forward to the rainy season this year.
> Can you imagine THAT from an longtime Californicator like me?
> I still can't.

I'm a native 'Zonie, but part of me - a very small part of me - also
looks forward to the rains. Up here it does get pretty blustery rainy. A
couple years ago me'n't'family were headed down Reno way before
Christmas. The wind was so strong between here and Ashland my truck's
wipers were lifting off the windshield.

Come January there's a cold snap that ices everything - trees breaking
and lines snapping. It only lasts a few days, so that's it for the
freezing and it's back to constant drizzle for a few more months.

I agree about WA and Olympia - waaay to moist.

--
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In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

> We don't have
> to soil our hands with gasoline in Oregon, either.

It's also nice to pass on the task when it's January, raining like the
devil with 50 mph winds; when you're dressed up for some speshul event;
or, when you've got a very young one in the car and certainly shouldn't
leave him or her while you go in to pay.

As to the higher cost for the no-self-serve that some claim, in northern
Oregon, it's only cheaper in the border towns of Washington (all
self-serve)- once you travel north for 30-40 miles and hit the
mid-section and then Seattle area, it's the same or more expensive than
the Portland area.

Sure there are times when the service seems slow, but those are fairly
infrequent. I'm in favor of the system -the folks personing the pumps
obviously need the work and I'd rather not do the task myself. I pumped
my own for upwards of 25 years and can't say I miss it in the least.

--
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Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>

In article <ASnlb.603829$Oz4.620985@rwcrnsc54>,
"Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote:

> When I moved to Orygun 6 years ago I was flabbergasted
> at the way many people give directions to somewhere. They
> don't know the street names or even the compass points.
> "Turn left at the light after the blue building with the big rabbit
> statue out front, then turn right 3 streets before the bridge . . . "

8 years for me. And my peeve is that the signs directing you to a
certain highway or bridge (like in downtown Stumptown) aren't a block
before you have to turn... no, they stick them right AT the intersection
- you have no time to get in the proper lane, slow down, prepare for the
transition. "TURN HERE!"

--
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Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:48:36 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>says...
>>
>> "Leslie Gossett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that
>> found
>> > it.
>>
>> Actually, in Maine, it is a crime. Title 17A Section 356 - Theft of lost,
>> mislaid or mistakenly delivered property
>> A person is guilty of theft if:
>> He obtains or exercises control over the property of another which he knows
>> to have been lost or mislaid or to have been delivered under a mistake as to
>> the identity of the recipient or as to the nature or amount of the property
>>
>
> Not a lawyer (thank goodness) either, but I suspect the Maine law also
>must have some clause in it that would require said property to have
>some means of identifying the rightful owner. i.e. if one finds a
>wallet with say $5 in it, taking that wallet is theft. However, if one
>finds $5 lying on the sidewalk with no means to identify the rightful
>owner, then I suspect there is a clause that this condition is not a
>crime.

But this money wasn't found laying on the street. It was found in a
cash dispenser which is owned by HD. The money belongs to HD...to be
dispersed as per their company policy.

Again...there is no way of knowing for sure that the money was left by
a customer. It could just as easily been a mechanical malfunction.

Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:15:59 -0700, Rico <[email protected]> wrote:

>Silvan wrote:
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
>> > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
>>
>> Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in years.
>> I didn't know they still existed.
>>
>>
>Some states have determined that their residents aren't
>competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>
>Oregon
>New Jersey
>Parts of Mass.
>
>Any arguments with their logic?

Not really. I've been to Jersey! lol

But they should probably add Florida.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:03:23 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <3uLjb.357433$Lnr1.267559
>@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, [email protected]
>says...
>> On 16-Oct-2003, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>> > aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>>
>> I was consulting for an oil company earlier this year and got to watch a
>> video from a service station taken the day before. Self serve dispensers
>> are not allowed to have locking (i.e always on) nozzles. A woman in a van
>> managed to jam one open and got back into her vehicle to wait. It overflowed
>> and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
>> joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open with
>> a cigarette lighter. Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
>> And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.
>>
>
> Self serve dispensers here in AZ are allowed to have locking nozzles.
>However, the nozzles must be self-shutoff when they sense back pressure
>(seems a more elegant solution than making folks -- especially older
>folks who may have arthritis or other ailments) have to hold a nozzle on
>while the car fills.

The automatic shutoffs often do not work. I've personally gotten a
gasoline bath at least a half dozen times...while holding the handle
down.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:54:07 GMT, "Michael Daly"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 16-Oct-2003, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How about the fact that self-serve gas stations in the other 47 states
>> aren't going up in impressive balls of flame with any regularity?
>
>I was consulting for an oil company earlier this year and got to watch a
>video from a service station taken the day before. Self serve dispensers
>are not allowed to have locking (i.e always on) nozzles. A woman in a van
>managed to jam one open and got back into her vehicle to wait. It overflowed
>and when she got out and touched the nozzle, the whole thing went up. I
>joked (not appreciated by the boss) that she must have jammed it open with
>a cigarette lighter. Actually, it was probably static. It does happen.
>And some folks are stupid enough to override the safety features.
>
>Mike

What city and state did this happen in, Mike. I'd like to look it up.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:25:39 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
pixelated:

>Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>>FL notwithstanding, competence isn't the issue. We don't have
>>to soil our hands with gasoline in Oregon, either.

>We don't in Georgia, either. It's just that we are free to choose
>whether to drive to the self-service or full-service pumps. Based on
>the choices most of us have made, there are fewer opportunities for
>the full-service ones, but they are not hard to find. But I'm happy
>for you if you feel relieved to turn over the burden of that decision
>to the legislators of your state, who surely must know better than you
>what you need. ;-)

I just moved up here and found that to be the case. It doesn't
bother me any. What bothers me is that CA was heavily burdened
by clean air laws and return vents in the pump handles to keep
the stinky fumes in the system, but they let any doofus pump
it. More times than not, the spring-loaded seals caught sideways
and the vapor escaped anyway. We paid more down there for the
extra goodies whose effects weren't even enforced.

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:57:03 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>When I find an occasional station without the locking nozzle, I jam it
>open with the gas cap. About the right size, and makes sure I don't
>forget to put the gas cap back on. I've had one overflow in all these
>years. Good reminder about static, though.

If yer gonna stand there anyway and pump the gas, why would you want
to jam the handle with a gas cap?

Now...more than likely, this thread will go on to talk about
jam...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good!


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

Trent© wrote:

>>> knows to have been lost or mislaid or to have been delivered under a
>>> mistake as to the identity of the recipient or as to the nature or
>>> amount of the property

>> Not a lawyer (thank goodness) either, but I suspect the Maine law also
>>must have some clause in it that would require said property to have
>>some means of identifying the rightful owner. i.e. if one finds a

> But this money wasn't found laying on the street. It was found in a
> cash dispenser which is owned by HD. The money belongs to HD...to be
> dispersed as per their company policy.

One point I think everyone misses in this is that the money isn't owned by
HD, by Joe Hapless, by the OP or anyone else. It's owned by the US
Treasury. They just let us hold onto some of it for awhile before it goes
home to be destroyed and recycled.

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:06:33 -0400, Donnie Vazquez
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Trent© wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:49:51 -0400, Donnie Vazquez
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Trent© wrote:
>>>
>>>>Exactly. Its an over-or-short of a cash register. This one happens
>>>>to be unmanned.
>>>>
>>>>HD...or the clerk, depending on their company policy...will be
>>>>responsible for any shortage. Any overages over the year offset these
>>>>kinds of shortages.
>>>
>>>If it was change left by the previous customer, it is not an overage or
>>>shortage of the register. The register did exactly what it was supposed
>>>to do. The money belongs to the customer that left it or the next person
>>>to pick it up (depending on how you look at it). It definitely does not
>>>belong to the BORG.
>>
>>
>> Tell us exactly how you know the machine didn't malfunction.
>
>I don't. Hence the word IF. You know, the VERY FIRST WORD in my post.
>Re-read and try again you smug prick :-)

Where did my request reference any of your post?...you illiterate
dick.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

I would sleep better knowing that I came out a little ahead for a change.


"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So what next? steal the tools, what you are doing is just as dis-honest,
> So someone made a mistake,
> Wouldn't have been better to check with with the store mgr. or the
person
> watching the express checkout
> and see if they could track the person, They paid cash so they probably
> couldn't
> But I would be able to sleep better knowing I did.
>
>
> "hbakker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility and
> > paying the bill with hard cash!
> >
> > So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL
where
> > previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the
"talking
> > computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!
> >
> > I'm not "fingering" return slots at public telephones but I may get that
> > habit while doing my (weekly) shopping run at a HD.....could pay for the
> > gas...!!
> >
> >
>
>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:41:08 GMT, [email protected] (LRod)
pixelated:

>On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:08 -0400, Tom Watson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>The angel spread apart his wings
>>The old man held his ground
>>They left together right away
>>And didn't make a sound
>
>So you're saying the penalty for pocketing the found money is death?

Worse than that: Heaven, where you won't know a SOUL!

Which reminds me. There are only two things to worry about...

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:25:39 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:43:48 GMT, [email protected] (Lawrence
>>Wasserman) pixelated:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
>>><...Previous quote snipped...>:
>>>>Some states have determined that their residents aren't
>>>>competent enough to pump their own gasoline.
>>>>
>>>>Oregon
>>>>New Jersey
>>>>Parts of Mass.
>>>>
>>>>Any arguments with their logic?
>>>>
>>>Yeah, how come Florida isn't included?
>>
>>FL notwithstanding, competence isn't the issue. We don't have
>>to soil our hands with gasoline in Oregon, either.
>We don't in Georgia, either. It's just that we are free to choose
>whether to drive to the self-service or full-service pumps. Based on
>the choices most of us have made, there are fewer opportunities for
>the full-service ones, but they are not hard to find. But I'm happy
>for you if you feel relieved to turn over the burden of that decision
>to the legislators of your state, who surely must know better than you
>what you need. ;-)

Like...seat belts?


Have a nice week...

Trent

Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:28:02 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
<[email protected]> pixelated:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> We don't have
>> to soil our hands with gasoline in Oregon, either.
>
>It's also nice to pass on the task when it's January, raining like the
>devil with 50 mph winds; when you're dressed up for some speshul event;
>or, when you've got a very young one in the car and certainly shouldn't
>leave him or her while you go in to pay.

So THAT's what it's like in Upper OR, is it? I'm sure glad
I don't live there. We get gentle rains here. (so far)
Seattle just got really HAMMERED, didn't it? I'm glad I don't
live in WA, either. My buddy passed through the Olympia
rainforest last spring and said it got 600+ inches annually.
I'm happy for our meager 32", I tell ya. It's also drier
here than LoCal, despite double the rainfall. Nice! I'm
actually looking forward to the rainy season this year.
Can you imagine THAT from an longtime Californicator like me?
I still can't.


>As to the higher cost for the no-self-serve that some claim, in northern
>Oregon, it's only cheaper in the border towns of Washington (all
>self-serve)- once you travel north for 30-40 miles and hit the
>mid-section and then Seattle area, it's the same or more expensive than
>the Portland area.

It's cheaper at the highest-priced full-service stations here
than at the cheapest self-serve in CA, so I'm happy.


>Sure there are times when the service seems slow, but those are fairly
>infrequent. I'm in favor of the system -the folks personing the pumps
>obviously need the work and I'd rather not do the task myself. I pumped
>my own for upwards of 25 years and can't say I miss it in the least.

Ditto on all counts, Owie.

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The self service only works for me when the only cashier has 10 people in
line and the self serve is empty.

I hate standing in line to give some one my money.

If I found 5 bucks on the floor of the store, I wouldnt give it to some
idiot clerk who's going to pocket it anyway.
Its goin in my pocket.

"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 16-Oct-2003, "Leslie Gossett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that
found
> > it.
>
> NAL, but I believe it belongs to the store! You're not in a public place.
>
> Mike

Trent© wrote:

> Now...more than likely, this thread will go on to talk about
> jam...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good!

We finally got a Krispy Kreme store.

Krispy Kreme raspberry filled.... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Why do I fear that the two inches I've shed in my waist are about to come
back?

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alexy wrote:

> Boy, this is going downhill fast! Anybody tried any of that Kentucky
> Jelly? <g>

Yes.

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Hmmm, I don't like self-checkouts either and won't use them at HD, but I
disagree with you about self-serve gasoline. Even if it is the same price,
I prefer it because I don't have someone who doesn't give a damn scratching
the finish on the car. Since I am in the rust-belt, that saves me some
money on a car rusting prematurely.

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "hbakker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Check your cash back when using the HD automated check-out facility and
> > paying the bill with hard cash!
> >
> > So far I have "collected" $5 and $2 at two different HD stores in FL
where
> > previous customers would have been confused or overwhelmed by the
"talking
> > computer" and "put items on the scale" and "take your items" etc!
>
> I despise the idea of a self checkout. I refuse to use them in any store.
> Like self serve gas, you don't save any money, but the seller reaps higher
> profits.
>
> To clarify, full service gas is priced as much as 25¢ a gallon higher than
> self serve, but that is an artificial price. In MA, each town decides if
> self serve is allowed. Gas stations across the street from each other on
> the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When I
> can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
> Ed
>
>

"Leslie Gossett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Its not a theft. Someone left it there. It belongs to the person that
found
> it.

Actually, in Maine, it is a crime. Title 17A Section 356 - Theft of lost,
mislaid or mistakenly delivered property
A person is guilty of theft if:
He obtains or exercises control over the property of another which he knows
to have been lost or mislaid or to have been delivered under a mistake as to
the identity of the recipient or as to the nature or amount of the property



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"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > the town line both sell at the same price but one if full service. When
I
> > can get a 5% discount for doing it myself, I'll start to use them.
>
> Must be a Yankee thing. I haven't seen a full-service gas station in
years.
> I didn't know they still existed.

By full service, I mean they pump it for you. Few if any, will check the
oil and wash the windshield like the Texaco Stars did years ago.
Massachusetts allows the fire marshal of each town decide if its citizens
are competent enough to pump gas safely. The entire state of New Jersey is
full serve.

If I was truly saving money, I'd say OK, but I see proof that gas can be
sold with an attendant for the same price as me freezing my (insert favorite
body part here) off in the winter.
Ed