Who is on Facebook?

On May 16, 10:14=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> > We have an account but it isn't "mine".
>
> > I participated in our high school's scholarship selection process this
> > year. =A0The school Principal warned some of the candidates about
> > Facebook content. =A0School administrators, counselors, grad school
> > selection teams and employers are finding way to get access to
> > Facebook material. =A0Postings about last night's party, a hangover,
> > drinking, =A0or a conquest are ending up is student files; and in
> > selection processes. =A0A few months ago I watched an old co-worker get
> > himself laid off because of less than discreet Facebook comments.
>
> > Yeah, I know there will be a rash of comments regarding privacy,
> > lawsuits, etc. =A0But at the end of the day, when you put it on the
> > internet, it is on the internet.
>
> > RonB
>
> No problem ... Finished school, before the dumbing down; too old to party
> too hard; =A0any conquest at this point ain't worth the trouble; self
> employed.

We need a "like" button on the wreck. :-)

Luigi

RonB <[email protected]> wrote:

> We have an account but it isn't "mine".
>
> I participated in our high school's scholarship selection process this
> year. The school Principal warned some of the candidates about
> Facebook content. School administrators, counselors, grad school
> selection teams and employers are finding way to get access to
> Facebook material. Postings about last night's party, a hangover,
> drinking, or a conquest are ending up is student files; and in
> selection processes. A few months ago I watched an old co-worker get
> himself laid off because of less than discreet Facebook comments.
>
> Yeah, I know there will be a rash of comments regarding privacy,
> lawsuits, etc. But at the end of the day, when you put it on the
> internet, it is on the internet.
>
> RonB

No problem ... Finished school, before the dumbing down; too old to party
too hard; any conquest at this point ain't worth the trouble; self
employed.

--
www.ewoodshop.com

On May 16, 11:14 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> No problem ... Finished school, before the dumbing down; too old to party
> too hard; any conquest at this point ain't worth the trouble; self
> employed.

I had the biggest damn belly laugh when i read that I almost fell out
of my chair. I can just SEE and HEAR you saying that.

All that was missing was a big **sigh** after that update.

All I would change to make that my profile is "seem to be tired a lot
more lately".

Robert

I can't remember the exact phrase that Keith Bohn used to
use several years ago, but something about "self destruct button"
or a biblical reference to "smote with a vengance"

He always had some really sharp one liners.....

On 5/16/2011 6:49 PM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
> We need a "like" button on the wreck. :-)
>
> Luigi
>
>
>

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
>> FWIW - and it's just my opinion., so it probably isn't worth too
>> much... I don't do facebook. Just cannot warm to that medium for
>> interaction.
> --------
> That makes two of us.

Ya but, you still using that crank to start your horseless carriage, Lew?
:)

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"Swingman" wrote:
> Ya but, you still using that crank to start your horseless carriage,
> Lew?
--------------------------------
I'm too lazy to lie about making up a fictitious character and the
personal info they want is NONE of their fucking business.

Lew

"FrozenNorth" wrote:

> There is no personal info required, plenty on blanks you can fill in
> if you want.
------------------------
I don't.

Lew
.

Larry Blanchard wrote the following:
> On Tue, 17 May 2011 12:55:01 -0400, FrozenNorth wrote:
>
>
>> Your name, and email are being posted here, what is the difference.
>>
>
> Well, the email addy is a spam catcher, I look at it now and then. I
> take your point, but I started using my real name on Usenet a long time
> before it became popular and didn't see much sense in changing after
> that. But lots of posters never use their real name anywhere.
>
>

When I first got on the internet through my telephone company when they
first started internet access way back when (1985?), I didn't know I
could pick a username of my choice.
The person at the telco told me my username would be 'willshak'. She
never asked if I had a different choice of username. The first part,
'will', is correct. My first name is William. The second part, 'shak',.
is close to the first characters in my last name, but not exact.
I found out later that willshak is a nickname,used on the web, for
William Shakespeare.
I took advantage of that with my sig line, that told how to decipher my
real email address, which was 'out spammed dot', a takeoff on
Shakespeare's Lady MacBeth's "out damned spot" in "MacBeth", Act 5.
scene 1.


--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>> Ya but, you still using that crank to start your horseless carriage,
>> Lew?
> --------------------------------
> I'm too lazy to lie about making up a fictitious character and the
> personal info they want is NONE of their fucking business.
>
> Lew

Lew - you old fucking horse thief, you! You just went up a full 100 points
in my book!

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 5/16/11 8:43 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>> Ya but, you still using that crank to start your horseless carriage,
>> Lew?
> --------------------------------
> I'm too lazy to lie about making up a fictitious character and the
> personal info they want is NONE of their fucking business.
>
There is no personal info required, plenty on blanks you can fill in if
you want.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 21:14:44 -0400, FrozenNorth wrote:

>> I'm too lazy to lie about making up a fictitious character and the
>> personal info they want is NONE of their fucking business.
>>
> There is no personal info required, plenty on blanks you can fill in if
> you want.

Oh? First thing I see when I go there is a request for my name, email,
and birth date. I can't even see what the site looks like unless I do
that. And yeah, I know I could fake it, but there ought to be a way to
peruse the site to check it out without entering any personal info.

So I guess I'll stay with the Neandertals :-).

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On 5/17/11 12:28 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 21:14:44 -0400, FrozenNorth wrote:
>
>>> I'm too lazy to lie about making up a fictitious character and the
>>> personal info they want is NONE of their fucking business.
>>>
>> There is no personal info required, plenty on blanks you can fill in if
>> you want.
>
> Oh? First thing I see when I go there is a request for my name, email,
> and birth date. I can't even see what the site looks like unless I do
> that. And yeah, I know I could fake it, but there ought to be a way to
> peruse the site to check it out without entering any personal info.
>
> So I guess I'll stay with the Neandertals :-).
>
Your name, and email are being posted here, what is the difference.
The birthday is a legal requirement for letting young kids get on line,
just so that FB can say they have done their due diligence.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On Tue, 17 May 2011 12:55:01 -0400, FrozenNorth wrote:

> Your name, and email are being posted here, what is the difference.

Well, the email addy is a spam catcher, I look at it now and then. I
take your point, but I started using my real name on Usenet a long time
before it became popular and didn't see much sense in changing after
that. But lots of posters never use their real name anywhere.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On 5/16/2011 7:33 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On May 16, 8:19 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/16/11 6:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> That said, I don't Twitter ... I feel about Twitter like many of you
>>> profess to feel about FaceBook.
>>
>> Like I say about twitter.... I don't use twitter because that comes with
>> the rather ostentatious presumption that there is someone out there who
>> gives a crap about what I have to say. :-)
>>
>
> I heard that, bro'.
>
> I hadn't heard it quite that way before, but that is why I don't
> 'tweet'?

I don't use Twitter because I haven't been able to figure out how it
could actually benefit what I do.

Broadcasting "I'm now sanding your cabinets/table/what-have-you to
150grit" doesn't seem to have any profit or time saving potential, at
least as far as I've been able to determine. If I saw that it could, I
wouldn't hesitate.

I do see the benefit to those in the media, blogosphere, etc ...
everything else is like Mike says.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On May 16, 8:19=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/16/11 6:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> > That said, I don't Twitter ... I feel about Twitter like many of you
> > =A0profess to feel about FaceBook.
>
> Like I say about twitter.... I don't use twitter because that comes with
> the rather ostentatious presumption that there is someone out there who
> gives a crap about what I have to say. =A0 :-)
>

I heard that, bro'.

I hadn't heard it quite that way before, but that is why I don't
'tweet'?

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm with David, while there are a few here on FB, would be nice to
>> see more.
>
> All right - stop right where you are! Facebook sucks and I'll have none of
> you socialist supporters advocating it here!

Rotfl ...

>> It's like any other tool, social or otherwise ... the "friends" on FB
>> are folks I've worked and played with in the music world, or
>> increasingly, woodworking folks I've met here. The common denominator
>> is sharing a common interest.
>
> Except that it tries to impose itself into your life, regardless of what you
> intended it to be when you signed on. Not to mention, what it sells, or
> otherwise distributes from you profile information...

Although there are plenty of folks in the category, you have to be pretty
damn dumb to allow technology to wag the dog.

>> One of the advantages of FB is that it adds another dimension to those
>> folks who post on the wRec that you would really like to know in
>> person, but due to distance, find that a remote possibility. Also a
>> great way to keep up with remote family and grand kids.
>
> Kinda like a telephone, eh?

With pictures ... But a whole lot cheaper.

>> facebook.com/karl.caillouet
>
> Karl - say it ain't so...

You bet, Bubba ... I use technology, it doesn't use me. He says, as he sits
on a construction site, waiting for a plumbing inspector to show, while
posting on the wRec using an iPad2 ... IOW, eatcherheartout! :)

Actually, I was an early adopter of FB to keep up with my daughter in the
UK and my grandsons, and my youngest in college. My youngest daughter is
visiting in the UK now and we have been part of the entire experience
through both FB and Skype. Basically, it's as close to being there as you
can get.

--
www.ewoodshop.com

On Tue, 17 May 2011 13:46:50 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 16, 6:10 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/16/2011 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between 12
>> and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone calls
>> ... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.
>
>Amen. My niece is in the far flung lands of the Northeast Provinces
>in school, and she rarely even checks her email. Forget voice mail.
>Ain't happenin'. No text, no communication with that young lady.
>
>Too passé. It is "like really old school". They identify email and
>voicemail as an ancient artifact left by ancestors unknown to them.
>(She is 22, by the way)

That's almost the age at which women become human again.
(They're vicious aliens between 14 and 22 or so.)


>I won't text now, and have it turned off on my phone. I don't like
>the interruptions during my day, and I have found that I cannot
>respond in a timely manner. I won't listen to any whiney crap about
>how "I texted you an hour ago, *sniff* *sniff* and you never
>responded".
>
>What I am really worried about besides the constant and incessant
>interruptions, is the fact that it could become part of my business.
>I have a life sized picture of a $5000 load of roofing material ($125
>delivery fee, 15% restock once the truck leaves the yard) and my
>roofing sub (guaranteed 1/2 day by me win/lose/draw) with 4 - 5 guys
>in the truck en route to the job and suddenly getting a text saying
>they needed to put off the install because their son scraped his knee
>and they were at the doctor late in the previous evening.
>
>Or I am at Sherwin Williams having my paint order filled of custom
>colors and I get a text saying "Scratch paint colors; SO has new
>ideas! HMU ltr." Of course I would miss that text, and not only
>waste my time getting the paint, buying non refundable colors, but not
>get paid for either one.
>
>I don't want a weasel text sent to me at 4:00am by one of my subs
>telling me he won't be on the job for some reason, real or imagined.

Yeah, there are definitely ulterior motives for some of that quick
texting crap.


>I have found that when my clients and associates are properly handled
>in an immediate, voice driven manner, things go smoothly for me. If I
>had only one job at a time, texting might work. But I either have 5
>or none, or 2 and I am negotiating as many as possible at the same
>time.

Ayup. Whatever works for you allows you to be the best you can be for
them. Why change a good, solid _working_ thing?


>I have found the new pidgin enormously unhelpful with my style of
>communication and won't tolerate that silliness from my clients or
>colleagues.
>
>My voice message: Mr. Smith, this is Robert. I have your door color
>samples on your front porch as we speak, and would like a call back
>from you letting me know what you and your wife decide. Please call
>me back on my cell phone at XXX-XXXX. Thanks -
>
>Return text: Tks 4 smple. Jst fin l8 lnch, hm l8r. HUB here thn.
>Tks -
>
>Me: WTF was that?

<g> I refuse text on my moBILE.


>I expect the same level of professional treatment ( I know, what an
>arrogant ass) from my clients that I give them. I don't write
>contracts or communications with my clients in all the nonsense, and
>won't take it from them when we are negotiating or under contract.
>
>And professional reciprocation doesn't include getting texts at all
>hours of the day and night because it was completely convenient for
>them at the moment they thought about it. In these difficult economic
>times I answer the phone no matter when I am called by current
>clients, or someone that simply can't get to a phne during the day.
>But for the rest of the world, I have to keep it to 8-6pm. I don't

I usually answer the phone between 7am and 9pm if I'm there. I don't
turn on my cell phone until I -need- it and I don't give the number
out except when I need info during the time I'm in transit.


>like getting phone calls from bored husbands on Saturday wondering if
>I can come out on Sunday to look at their project. Texting would make
>that waaaay to easy.

<g>


>Here's the no-texting bonus for me. NEVER have I had a <guy> tell me
>they preferred to text me. In fact, when I give my clients my cell
>number, they tell me they *prefer* talking to me personally, live in
>person. Occasionally there is an irritated soccer Mom or other
>important female that doesn't have the time for a voice chat (but
>endless time to text all day), but even then, most folks seem to
>prefer voice.

People need to relearn the art of conversation.


>I know one day I will have to join the relentless marauding horde, but
>not one day sooner than I need to for me.

Ditto, and I abhor the connections you get on cell phones. They're
always dropping words (if not complete sentences), which proves that
they're still not ready for prime time. <deep sigh>

--
It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no
distinctively native American criminal class except Congress.
-- Mark Twain

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 5/16/11 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Good for you. I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far).
>> I Have been reading a couple books, on pdf, written between 1903 and
>> 1907--go figure. I'm beginning to get a handle on figuring this stuff
>> out: Civilization (technological progress to the n^(th) degree)
>> seems to be unraveling humanity--at least in the US of A. I'm sure
>> that my statement can be reasonably be attacked or defended, but I
>> find it an interesting notion and note examples in my day-to-day
>> life. Bill
>
> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
> the history of civilization. I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.

Nah - they were just a passing fad.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Swingman wrote:

>
> You bet, Bubba ... I use technology, it doesn't use me. He says, as
> he sits on a construction site, waiting for a plumbing inspector to
> show, while posting on the wRec using an iPad2 ... IOW,
> eatcherheartout! :)
>
> Actually, I was an early adopter of FB to keep up with my daughter in
> the UK and my grandsons, and my youngest in college. My youngest
> daughter is visiting in the UK now and we have been part of the
> entire experience through both FB and Skype. Basically, it's as close
> to being there as you can get.

i get it that many people use this technology this way - I'm just an old
fart that does not embrace this particular technology this way. I'm glued
to the use of those archaic tecnologies such as texting, etc. Call me an od
fart or something, but that's where I'm at. My kids all use FB and I tried
it, but I am stubborn n refusing it now. What can i say?...


--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>> That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between
>> 12
>> and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone
>> calls
>> ... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.
> ---------------------------------
> No, it simply means I have NO NEED for an electronic nurse maid.
>
> AKA: Cell phone.
>
> Call the land line, leave a message, I'll get back to ya.
>

Yeah you do Lew - how else are you going to talk loudly in front of people
you don't know, in places where you should not be talking loudly, about
things nobody really cares to hear, so that all those people around you
realize that you're important? Truthfully, one of my favorite observations
is that time when you are getting off an airplane - you just taxi'd to the
gate, and watch the number of women who get on their phone to call the
people who are waiting for them at the security gate - to tell them that
they are at the gate. Sheese! I'm a big time cell phone guy but how in the
hell did these people survive that 4 minutes from exiting at the gate, to
the security point before cell phones?

Lew - you just gotta get one...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 5/17/2011 8:15 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 5/16/2011 5:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
>>>>> the history of civilization.
>>>>
>>>> I thought of that while I was typing.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
>>>>> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.
>>>>
>>>> And how many people in your family could start a fire without a pack or
>>>> matches or a lighter if their life depended on it! ;)
>>>>
>>>> Technology seems to breed ignorance--especially such as the "assembly
>>>> line"--which devoured the tradesmen whose "lost" skills are coveted by
>>>> many of us. Just sayin'.
>>>
>>> Don't look now, but the fact that the average caveman scratched fleas
>>> around an open fire, lost his teeth at 15, and lived to the ripe old age
>>> of 21, BLOWS your "technology seems to breed ignorance" contention
>>> completely out of the water, there Bill!
>>
>> Maybe we should say "technology seems to result in forgotten knowledge",
>> instead? I know that the vast majority of college students cannot
>> explain how a lamp works (they lack the concept of "circuit").
>
> Note by the way that the average cave man did not "lose his teeth at
> 15" or "live to the ripe old age of 21". If he made it to 20 he usually
> made it into his 50s or 60s. People equate "average life expectancy"
> with "average age at death" and it doesn't work that way. As for teeth,
> the incidence of tooth decay in the paleolithic was about 1 percent--
> most of those 50 year old cave men died with their teeth intact.
>
>>> IOW, if the advancements in quality of life and the increase in healthy
>>> life span through technology is breeding "ignorance", I'll take all you
>>> got.
>>
>> Careful what you wish for. I think if they double the cost of health
>> care a few more times one may wish they were a horse! ; ) If they put
>> any more preservatives and (tasty) artificial flavors in my food stuff,
>> I might not be able to eat at all!
>
> The actual "increase in healthy life span" hasn't been that great. The
> big improvements have come at the other end, with major reductions in
> childhood and infant mortality. A modern adult is not likely to live
> all that much longer than a cave man but a much higher percentage of
> infants make it to adulthood.

Clarke ... go fuck yourself.

You might think you know everything there is to know, Dude ... But
you're woefully inadequate at recognizing a joking reference when you
see one.

Must be nice to have that much time to waste on self-righteous Googling
for naught, Jeeezus!

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Swingman wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far).
>
> That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between 12
> and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone
> calls ... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.

No kidding!!! Try to call them and you get voice mail. Text them
immediately after trying to call, and they immediately reply. Go figure.


>
> That said, I don't Twitter ... I feel about Twitter like many of you
> profess to feel about FaceBook.

And that's how I know that I'm really getting old. I understand the
technology just fine. I grew up in technology, was one of the early guys in
the world of UNIX, and had my hands on the original DARPANET - before Al
Gore invented the internet. So - I'm no techno-phobe, but... and it's a big
butt... Twitter - what the hell is that all about? The social media of
today just strikes me as too open - too much information shared and/or
forced upon "friends" that just does not need to be "shared". Too many
people blabbering about too many meaningless and insignificant things - that
they just must share with everyone. What do I really care that someone I
know had gas today and blew a big fart? Hell, if that were really
newsworthy, I'd be a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter!

--

-Mike-
[email protected]
>
> I simply don't find it useful for my purposes.

On May 16, 4:27=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
> the history of civilization. =A0I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.

Laziness is the mother of most invention.

Luigi

On May 17, 10:02=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 7:33 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On May 16, 8:19 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 5/16/11 6:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> >>> That said, I don't Twitter ... I feel about Twitter like many of you
> >>> =A0 profess to feel about FaceBook.
>
> >> Like I say about twitter.... I don't use twitter because that comes wi=
th
> >> the rather ostentatious presumption that there is someone out there wh=
o
> >> gives a crap about what I have to say. =A0 :-)
>
> > I heard that, bro'.
>
> > I hadn't heard it quite that way before, but that is why I don't
> > 'tweet'?
>
> I don't use Twitter because I haven't been able to figure out how it
> could actually benefit what I do.
>
> Broadcasting "I'm now sanding your cabinets/table/what-have-you to
> 150grit" doesn't seem to have any profit or time saving potential, at
> least as far as I've been able to determine. If I saw that it could, I
> wouldn't hesitate.
>
> I do see the benefit to those in the media, blogosphere, etc ...
> everything else is like Mike says.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Facebook has done well for our dog groomer... and a house painter I
know. I'm not sure how, but as soon as I find out.......I'll be there.

Swingman wrote:

> That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between
> 12
> and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone
> calls
> ... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.
---------------------------------
No, it simply means I have NO NEED for an electronic nurse maid.

AKA: Cell phone.

Call the land line, leave a message, I'll get back to ya.


Lew

"Mike Marlow" wrote:

> Yeah you do Lew - how else are you going to talk loudly in front of
> people you don't know, in places where you should not be talking
> loudly, about things nobody really cares to hear, so that all those
> people around you realize that you're important? Truthfully, one of
> my favorite observations is that time when you are getting off an
> airplane - you just taxi'd to the gate, and watch the number of
> women who get on their phone to call the people who are waiting for
> them at the security gate - to tell them that they are at the gate.
> Sheese! I'm a big time cell phone guy but how in the hell did these
> people survive that 4 minutes from exiting at the gate, to the
> security point before cell phones?
>
> Lew - you just gotta get one...
---------------------------------
There is a reason I'm a sailor.

You very quickly realize your priorities if you want to stay alive.

My ultimate goal in simplifying my life is when my key ring is down to
one key, the boat key.

Some how, an electronic nurse maid (AKA: Cell phone) doesn't fit into
that game plan.

Lew

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm with David, while there are a few here on FB, would be nice to
>>> see more.
>>
>> All right - stop right where you are! Facebook sucks and I'll have none of
>> you socialist supporters advocating it here!
>
>Rotfl ...
>
>>> It's like any other tool, social or otherwise ... the "friends" on FB
>>> are folks I've worked and played with in the music world, or
>>> increasingly, woodworking folks I've met here. The common denominator
>>> is sharing a common interest.
>>
>> Except that it tries to impose itself into your life, regardless of what you
>> intended it to be when you signed on. Not to mention, what it sells, or
>> otherwise distributes from you profile information...
>
>Although there are plenty of folks in the category, you have to be pretty
>damn dumb to allow technology to wag the dog.
>
Yahoo have again just upgraded their webmail interface.
Do I unload a 10 year old mail service many know me
by or do I go grab the latest release of Opera so I
can (hassle free) get at the mail?

>>> One of the advantages of FB is that it adds another dimension to those
>>> folks who post on the wRec that you would really like to know in
>>> person, but due to distance, find that a remote possibility. Also a
>>> great way to keep up with remote family and grand kids.
>>
>> Kinda like a telephone, eh?
>
>With pictures ... But a whole lot cheaper.
>
>>> facebook.com/karl.caillouet
>>
>> Karl - say it ain't so...
>
>You bet, Bubba ... I use technology, it doesn't use me. He says, as he sits
>on a construction site, waiting for a plumbing inspector to show, while
>posting on the wRec using an iPad2 ... IOW, eatcherheartout! :)
>
Agreed.. with a caveat.
KNOW the technology.
Ask victims of "News of the World" how their technocrat
trip worked out<g>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/5785465/Police-examine-News-of-the-World-phone-tap-claims.html

>Actually, I was an early adopter of FB to keep up with my daughter in the
>UK and my grandsons, and my youngest in college. My youngest daughter is
>visiting in the UK now and we have been part of the entire experience
>through both FB and Skype. Basically, it's as close to being there as you
>can get.
>
Again, I share the broad view.
However, no "live time" updates and no "friends"
is how I advise all close to me. So far most have
adhered to the advice.

How long it all lasts who knows.
It has all been done before, the protocols used are
not a mystery.. to many.
However it is not the White, Red or even Black hats
one need worry too much about, you wont stop
them noway. It is the "fskd in the head" types
like Josepi/Mho - types that will start an account
in your name and proceed to invite every known
(to them) deviate along. When the pool is full they
ring the Constabulary. You end up answering a lot
of questions you know nothing about - as in why
they are asking. Its been done, "networking" they
say.
Where the networking starts is in tracking across
mediums. You haven't said who you are on FB, I
haven't said who I am on Skype.
The OP has told the freaking world who he is!!
FB is packed with dickheads of the same degree
of naivety.
A sociopath's picnic!

Tagging my comment to yours, SM... as I read
you and you prove to be an "ok kinda fella".

... and to ask if you did anything with that pattern I
built and if so was it workable?

cheers
george

On May 17, 9:52=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/17/2011 8:15 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> >> Swingman wrote:
> >>> On 5/16/2011 5:39 PM, Bill wrote:
> >>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>
> >>>>> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance =
in
> >>>>> the history of civilization.
>
> >>>> I thought of that while I was typing.
>
> >>>>> I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
> >>>>> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.
>
> >>>> And how many people in your family could start a fire without a pack=
or
> >>>> matches or a lighter if their life depended on it! ;)
>
> >>>> Technology seems to breed ignorance--especially such as the "assembl=
y
> >>>> line"--which devoured the tradesmen whose "lost" skills are coveted =
by
> >>>> many of us. Just sayin'.
>
> >>> Don't look now, but the fact that the average caveman scratched fleas
> >>> around an open fire, lost his teeth at 15, and lived to the ripe old =
age
> >>> of 21, BLOWS your "technology seems to breed ignorance" contention
> >>> completely out of the water, there Bill!
>
> >> Maybe we should say "technology seems to result in forgotten knowledge=
",
> >> instead? =A0 I know that the vast majority of college students cannot
> >> explain how a lamp works (they lack the concept of "circuit").
>
> > Note by the way that the average cave man did not "lose his teeth at
> > 15" or "live to the ripe old age of 21". =A0If he made it to 20 he usua=
lly
> > made it into his 50s or 60s. =A0People equate "average life expectancy"
> > with "average age at death" and it doesn't work that way. =A0As for tee=
th,
> > the incidence of tooth decay in the paleolithic was about 1 percent--
> > most of those 50 year old cave men died with their teeth intact.
>
> >>> IOW, if the advancements in quality of life and the increase in healt=
hy
> >>> life span through technology is breeding "ignorance", I'll take all y=
ou
> >>> got.
>
> >> Careful what you wish for. =A0I think if they double the cost of healt=
h
> >> care a few more times one may wish they were a horse! =A0; ) =A0If the=
y put
> >> any more preservatives and (tasty) artificial flavors in my food stuff=
,
> >> I might not be able to eat at all!
>
> > The actual "increase in healthy life span" hasn't been that great. =A0T=
he
> > big improvements have come at the other end, with major reductions in
> > childhood and infant mortality. =A0A modern adult is not likely to live
> > all that much longer than a cave man but a much higher percentage of
> > infants make it to adulthood.
>
> Clarke ... go fuck yourself.
>
> You might think you know everything there is to know, Dude ... But
> you're woefully inadequate at recognizing a joking reference when you
> see one.
>
> Must be nice to have that much time to waste on self-righteous Googling
> for naught, Jeeezus!
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

One of the funnier lines in the movie version of The Flintstones (John
Goodman, Rick Moranis, Nicole Kidman, FB O'Donnell, Elizabeth Taylor)
was when Goodman said: "My father lived to the ripe old age of 34."
Clarke would likely take exception to that joke as well.

Come to think of it, that was actually a pretty good movie, B-52 doing
the theme song..yup, was kinda fun.

And THAT reminds of the time I gave the keynote speech at the wedding
of a Navy buddy in Halifax Nova Scotia. As he was one of the members
of HOG, the party was very well populated by bikers (there were 70+
HOGs in the procession). As the night wore on, I slipped a quickly
assembled CD into the player and the opening cut was The Flintstones
by The B-52's. The place went nuts! Lots of fun. Then Flowers On The
Wall by Eric Heatherly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM9f7uhZcbfQ)
really got the place rocking.
One of the bikers, named 'Tiny" (400+lbs) said: "You're a crazy son of
a bitch, you know that!?" and proceeded to damn near break my back in
a bear hug.
Fun times.
Fun times.
I think Tiny liked me. *blush*

Han wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> i get it that many people use this technology this way - I'm just an
>> old fart that does not embrace this particular technology this way.
>> I'm glued to the use of those archaic tecnologies such as texting,
>> etc. Call me an od fart or something, but that's where I'm at. My
>> kids all use FB and I tried it, but I am stubborn n refusing it now.
>> What can i say?...
>>
>
> What's texting?

It's what replaced speaking. I learned it from my kids...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 15:42:15 -0700 (PDT), Luigi Zanasi
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 16, 4:27 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
>> the history of civilization.  I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
>> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.
>
>Laziness is the mother of most invention.

That's true down here in the civilized world, too, WeeGee.
<gd&r>

--
It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no
distinctively native American criminal class except Congress.
-- Mark Twain

On May 16, 3:12=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> You bet, Bubba ... I use technology, it doesn't use me. He says, as he si=
ts
> on a construction site, waiting for a plumbing inspector to show, while
> posting on the wRec =A0using an iPad2 ... IOW, eatcherheartout! =A0:)
>

ARRRGGHHHHH *bangs head on desk* MACHINES THOSE DAMNED MACHINES!!!!

On 5/16/2011 5:39 PM, Bill wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:

>> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
>> the history of civilization.
>
> I thought of that while I was typing.
>
>> I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
>> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.
>
> And how many people in your family could start a fire without a pack or
> matches or a lighter if their life depended on it! ;)
>
> Technology seems to breed ignorance--especially such as the "assembly
> line"--which devoured the tradesmen whose "lost" skills are coveted by
> many of us. Just sayin'.

Don't look now, but the fact that the average caveman scratched fleas
around an open fire, lost his teeth at 15, and lived to the ripe old age
of 21, BLOWS your "technology seems to breed ignorance" contention
completely out of the water, there Bill!

;)

IOW, if the advancements in quality of life and the increase in healthy
life span through technology is breeding "ignorance", I'll take all you got.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 5/16/2011 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:

> I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far).

That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between 12
and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone calls
... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.

You want to communicate in their world, you best learn the linqua
franca, AND method of delivery.

Besides, it's not hard to text/Facebook their young butts off ... really
pisses 'em off that you can invade their smug little world at whim. :)

That said, I don't Twitter ... I feel about Twitter like many of you
profess to feel about FaceBook.

I simply don't find it useful for my purposes.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> Swingman wrote:
> > On 5/16/2011 5:39 PM, Bill wrote:
> >> -MIKE- wrote:
> >
> >>> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
> >>> the history of civilization.
> >>
> >> I thought of that while I was typing.
> >>
> >>> I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
> >>> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.
> >>
> >> And how many people in your family could start a fire without a pack or
> >> matches or a lighter if their life depended on it! ;)
> >>
> >> Technology seems to breed ignorance--especially such as the "assembly
> >> line"--which devoured the tradesmen whose "lost" skills are coveted by
> >> many of us. Just sayin'.
> >
> > Don't look now, but the fact that the average caveman scratched fleas
> > around an open fire, lost his teeth at 15, and lived to the ripe old age
> > of 21, BLOWS your "technology seems to breed ignorance" contention
> > completely out of the water, there Bill!
>
> Maybe we should say "technology seems to result in forgotten knowledge",
> instead? I know that the vast majority of college students cannot
> explain how a lamp works (they lack the concept of "circuit").

Note by the way that the average cave man did not "lose his teeth at
15" or "live to the ripe old age of 21". If he made it to 20 he usually
made it into his 50s or 60s. People equate "average life expectancy"
with "average age at death" and it doesn't work that way. As for teeth,
the incidence of tooth decay in the paleolithic was about 1 percent--
most of those 50 year old cave men died with their teeth intact.

> > IOW, if the advancements in quality of life and the increase in healthy
> > life span through technology is breeding "ignorance", I'll take all you
> > got.
>
> Careful what you wish for. I think if they double the cost of health
> care a few more times one may wish they were a horse! ; ) If they put
> any more preservatives and (tasty) artificial flavors in my food stuff,
> I might not be able to eat at all!

The actual "increase in healthy life span" hasn't been that great. The
big improvements have come at the other end, with major reductions in
childhood and infant mortality. A modern adult is not likely to live
all that much longer than a cave man but a much higher percentage of
infants make it to adulthood.

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> IOW, if the advancements in quality of life and the increase in healthy
> life span through technology is breeding "ignorance", I'll take all you
> got.

You maybe right, I feel really healthy.

Except for the repetitive stress syndrome.
The 75lbs I put on while snacking on junk food when I'm playing games four
hours a day on the computer
The dozen mostly empty fast food cartons littered everywhere around my
computer, composting where they sit.
The pile of laundry that needs cleaning but I couldn't be bothered since I
don't need clean clothes to use my computer.

So, in actuality I exercise my fingers and right arm frequently, I'm
contributing to the economy by keeping the fast food companies operating,
I'm keeping delivery boys working and I'm recycling garbage by composting.
Finally, I'm saving energy by not doing the laundry and saving the
environment by not dumping my used phosphate detergents down the drain.

Yup, technology has made me really healthy and a regular contributor to the
living well magazine.

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> i get it that many people use this technology this way - I'm just an
> old fart that does not embrace this particular technology this way.
> I'm glued to the use of those archaic tecnologies such as texting,
> etc. Call me an od fart or something, but that's where I'm at. My
> kids all use FB and I tried it, but I am stubborn n refusing it now.
> What can i say?...
>

What's texting?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On May 16, 6:10 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:

> That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between 12
> and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone calls
> ... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.

Amen. My niece is in the far flung lands of the Northeast Provinces
in school, and she rarely even checks her email. Forget voice mail.
Ain't happenin'. No text, no communication with that young lady.

Too pass=E9. It is "like really old school". They identify email and
voicemail as an ancient artifact left by ancestors unknown to them.
(She is 22, by the way)

I won't text now, and have it turned off on my phone. I don't like
the interruptions during my day, and I have found that I cannot
respond in a timely manner. I won't listen to any whiney crap about
how "I texted you an hour ago, *sniff* *sniff* and you never
responded".

What I am really worried about besides the constant and incessant
interruptions, is the fact that it could become part of my business.
I have a life sized picture of a $5000 load of roofing material ($125
delivery fee, 15% restock once the truck leaves the yard) and my
roofing sub (guaranteed 1/2 day by me win/lose/draw) with 4 - 5 guys
in the truck en route to the job and suddenly getting a text saying
they needed to put off the install because their son scraped his knee
and they were at the doctor late in the previous evening.

Or I am at Sherwin Williams having my paint order filled of custom
colors and I get a text saying "Scratch paint colors; SO has new
ideas! HMU ltr." Of course I would miss that text, and not only
waste my time getting the paint, buying non refundable colors, but not
get paid for either one.

I don't want a weasel text sent to me at 4:00am by one of my subs
telling me he won't be on the job for some reason, real or imagined.

I have found that when my clients and associates are properly handled
in an immediate, voice driven manner, things go smoothly for me. If I
had only one job at a time, texting might work. But I either have 5
or none, or 2 and I am negotiating as many as possible at the same
time.

I have found the new pidgin enormously unhelpful with my style of
communication and won't tolerate that silliness from my clients or
colleagues.

My voice message: Mr. Smith, this is Robert. I have your door color
samples on your front porch as we speak, and would like a call back
from you letting me know what you and your wife decide. Please call
me back on my cell phone at XXX-XXXX. Thanks -

Return text: Tks 4 smple. Jst fin l8 lnch, hm l8r. HUB here thn.
Tks -

Me: WTF was that?

I expect the same level of professional treatment ( I know, what an
arrogant ass) from my clients that I give them. I don't write
contracts or communications with my clients in all the nonsense, and
won't take it from them when we are negotiating or under contract.

And professional reciprocation doesn't include getting texts at all
hours of the day and night because it was completely convenient for
them at the moment they thought about it. In these difficult economic
times I answer the phone no matter when I am called by current
clients, or someone that simply can't get to a phne during the day.
But for the rest of the world, I have to keep it to 8-6pm. I don't
like getting phone calls from bored husbands on Saturday wondering if
I can come out on Sunday to look at their project. Texting would make
that waaaay to easy.

Here's the no-texting bonus for me. NEVER have I had a <guy> tell me
they preferred to text me. In fact, when I give my clients my cell
number, they tell me they *prefer* talking to me personally, live in
person. Occasionally there is an irritated soccer Mom or other
important female that doesn't have the time for a voice chat (but
endless time to text all day), but even then, most folks seem to
prefer voice.

I know one day I will have to join the relentless marauding horde, but
not one day sooner than I need to for me.

Robert

On 5/17/2011 10:04 AM, Robatoy wrote:

> Facebook has done well for our dog groomer... and a house painter I
> know. I'm not sure how, but as soon as I find out.......I'll be there.

I'm thinking that a circle of friends, satisfied clients and their
friends, etc. can add up to a lot exposure for self employed folks like
dog groomers and house painters.

Just another cog in the business machine ...

Although I've been too busy lately to try doing anything along that
line, I do know Linda has just recently started using FB and Youtube to
get the word out about past and upcoming concerts, and what her kids and
teachers are doing in the studio, etc:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=111829522167705

According to her, it is something the parents love to see and
participate in and jump on as soon as they find out about it ... and
Linda doesn't miss a trick at promoting her endeavors (none of which I
have absolutely anything to do with)

--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 16 May 2011 21:17:00 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> i get it that many people use this technology this way - I'm just an
>> old fart that does not embrace this particular technology this way.
>> I'm glued to the use of those archaic tecnologies such as texting,
>> etc. Call me an od fart or something, but that's where I'm at. My
>> kids all use FB and I tried it, but I am stubborn n refusing it now.
>> What can i say?...
>
>What's texting?

It's a method of making yourself so dumb that you walk into telephone
poles, fall into open sewer manholes, and wreck your car because you
weren't paying enough attention to where you were going.

http://www.google.com/search?q=texting+accidents
1,430,000 hits

Pass.

--
It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no
distinctively native American criminal class except Congress.
-- Mark Twain

Mike Marlow wrote:

> i get it that many people use this technology this way - I'm just an old
> fart that does not embrace this particular technology this way. I'm glued
> to the use of those archaic tecnologies such as texting, etc. Call me an od
> fart or something, but that's where I'm at. My kids all use FB and I tried
> it, but I am stubborn n refusing it now. What can i say?...
>

Good for you. I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far). I
Have been reading a couple books, on pdf, written between 1903 and
1907--go figure. I'm beginning to get a handle on figuring this stuff
out: Civilization (technological progress to the n^(th) degree) seems to
be unraveling humanity--at least in the US of A. I'm sure that my
statement can be reasonably be attacked or defended, but I find it an
interesting notion and note examples in my day-to-day life.

Bill

On 5/16/11 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
> Good for you. I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far). I
> Have been reading a couple books, on pdf, written between 1903 and
> 1907--go figure. I'm beginning to get a handle on figuring this stuff
> out: Civilization (technological progress to the n^(th) degree) seems to
> be unraveling humanity--at least in the US of A. I'm sure that my
> statement can be reasonably be attacked or defended, but I find it an
> interesting notion and note examples in my day-to-day life.
>
> Bill

Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
the history of civilization. I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 5/16/11 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Good for you. I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far). I
>> Have been reading a couple books, on pdf, written between 1903 and
>> 1907--go figure. I'm beginning to get a handle on figuring this stuff
>> out: Civilization (technological progress to the n^(th) degree) seems to
>> be unraveling humanity--at least in the US of A. I'm sure that my
>> statement can be reasonably be attacked or defended, but I find it an
>> interesting notion and note examples in my day-to-day life.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
> the history of civilization.

I thought of that while I was typing.

>I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.

And how many people in your family could start a fire without a pack or
matches or a lighter if their life depended on it! ;)

Technology seems to breed ignorance--especially such as the "assembly
line"--which devoured the tradesmen whose "lost" skills are coveted by
many of us. Just sayin'.

Bill

On 5/16/11 5:39 PM, Bill wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 5/16/11 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Good for you. I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far). I
>>> Have been reading a couple books, on pdf, written between 1903 and
>>> 1907--go figure. I'm beginning to get a handle on figuring this stuff
>>> out: Civilization (technological progress to the n^(th) degree) seems to
>>> be unraveling humanity--at least in the US of A. I'm sure that my
>>> statement can be reasonably be attacked or defended, but I find it an
>>> interesting notion and note examples in my day-to-day life.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
>> the history of civilization.
>
> I thought of that while I was typing.
>
>> I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
>> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.
>
> And how many people in your family could start a fire without a pack or
> matches or a lighter if their life depended on it! ;)
>
> Technology seems to breed ignorance--especially such as the "assembly
> line"--which devoured the tradesmen whose "lost" skills are coveted by
> many of us. Just sayin'.
>
> Bill
>

I understand what you're saying and it's always a good discussion to have.

But there are many lost skills that are simply unneeded anymore, due to
technological advances. Just being lost doesn't add any inherent value
to the skill. All those hand tools that Roy guy on PBS uses are fun and
I'm sure it gives one a sense of accomplishment, but so does mowing the
lawn and I'm sure as heck not going to do it with one of those push mowers.

And if I'm ignorant because I'll use a combination of table saw, band
saw, router, jointer, etc, to make table legs instead of a spokeshave a
draw knife, then I'll revel in my bliss all the live long day.

I couldn't remember how to thread a movie projector if my life depended
on it and it used to be part of what I did for a living. In my lifetime
the keyboard I'm typing on will be obsolete and it won't make stupid
people any more stupid or help anyone be smarter.

I'm ignorant to a whole heap of things that are completely irrelevant.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 5/16/11 6:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
> That said, I don't Twitter ... I feel about Twitter like many of you
> profess to feel about FaceBook.
>

Like I say about twitter.... I don't use twitter because that comes with
the rather ostentatious presumption that there is someone out there who
gives a crap about what I have to say. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Swingman wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 5:39 PM, Bill wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>> Old people have been saying that about every technological advance in
>>> the history of civilization.
>>
>> I thought of that while I was typing.
>>
>>> I'm sure there were old cavemen who said
>>> fire and the wheel would make everyone lazy.
>>
>> And how many people in your family could start a fire without a pack or
>> matches or a lighter if their life depended on it! ;)
>>
>> Technology seems to breed ignorance--especially such as the "assembly
>> line"--which devoured the tradesmen whose "lost" skills are coveted by
>> many of us. Just sayin'.
>
> Don't look now, but the fact that the average caveman scratched fleas
> around an open fire, lost his teeth at 15, and lived to the ripe old age
> of 21, BLOWS your "technology seems to breed ignorance" contention
> completely out of the water, there Bill!

Maybe we should say "technology seems to result in forgotten knowledge",
instead? I know that the vast majority of college students cannot
explain how a lamp works (they lack the concept of "circuit").


> IOW, if the advancements in quality of life and the increase in healthy
> life span through technology is breeding "ignorance", I'll take all you
> got.

Careful what you wish for. I think if they double the cost of health
care a few more times one may wish they were a horse! ; ) If they put
any more preservatives and (tasty) artificial flavors in my food stuff,
I might not be able to eat at all!

Bill

Swingman wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> I have never even texted (and have no regrets so far).
>
> That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between 12
> and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone calls
> ... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.


You are right. But I like the way you put that ("puppies")! : )

BTW, not too long ago a new driver in my family tree texted his way into
an auto accident/totaled car, running into a stopped car in front of
him... Careful out there.

Bill

On 5/17/11 9:02 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Broadcasting "I'm now sanding your cabinets/table/what-have-you to
> 150grit"

LMAO!

>
> I do see the benefit to those in the media, blogosphere, etc ...
> everything else is like Mike says.
>

I'm pretty active on FB because in my line of bidnis, everyone seems to
be on there blabbin away. It's a decent way to network and stay on the
radar.

I would love if this newsgroup went to a FB group. It's great to see
those pics you post of woodworking and be able to interact on the same
page, etc.


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basilisk wrote the following:
> On Tue, 17 May 2011 13:46:50 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>> On May 16, 6:10 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/2011 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> That simply means that you statistically don't have a child between 12
>>> and 30. These puppies don't snail mail, email, fax or answer phone calls
>>> ... but they TEXT at the drop of a hat.
>>>
>> Amen. My niece is in the far flung lands of the Northeast Provinces
>> in school, and she rarely even checks her email. Forget voice mail.
>> Ain't happenin'. No text, no communication with that young lady.
>>
>> Too passé. It is "like really old school". They identify email and
>> voicemail as an ancient artifact left by ancestors unknown to them.
>> (She is 22, by the way)
>>
>> I won't text now, and have it turned off on my phone. I don't like
>> the interruptions during my day, and I have found that I cannot
>> respond in a timely manner. I won't listen to any whiney crap about
>> how "I texted you an hour ago, *sniff* *sniff* and you never
>> responded".
>>
>> What I am really worried about besides the constant and incessant
>> interruptions, is the fact that it could become part of my business.
>> I have a life sized picture of a $5000 load of roofing material ($125
>> delivery fee, 15% restock once the truck leaves the yard) and my
>> roofing sub (guaranteed 1/2 day by me win/lose/draw) with 4 - 5 guys
>> in the truck en route to the job and suddenly getting a text saying
>> they needed to put off the install because their son scraped his knee
>> and they were at the doctor late in the previous evening.
>>
>> Or I am at Sherwin Williams having my paint order filled of custom
>> colors and I get a text saying "Scratch paint colors; SO has new
>> ideas! HMU ltr." Of course I would miss that text, and not only
>> waste my time getting the paint, buying non refundable colors, but not
>> get paid for either one.
>>
>> I don't want a weasel text sent to me at 4:00am by one of my subs
>> telling me he won't be on the job for some reason, real or imagined.
>>
>> I have found that when my clients and associates are properly handled
>> in an immediate, voice driven manner, things go smoothly for me. If I
>> had only one job at a time, texting might work. But I either have 5
>> or none, or 2 and I am negotiating as many as possible at the same
>> time.
>>
>> I have found the new pidgin enormously unhelpful with my style of
>> communication and won't tolerate that silliness from my clients or
>> colleagues.
>>
>> My voice message: Mr. Smith, this is Robert. I have your door color
>> samples on your front porch as we speak, and would like a call back
>> from you letting me know what you and your wife decide. Please call
>> me back on my cell phone at XXX-XXXX. Thanks -
>>
>> Return text: Tks 4 smple. Jst fin l8 lnch, hm l8r. HUB here thn.
>> Tks -
>>
>> Me: WTF was that?
>>
>> I expect the same level of professional treatment ( I know, what an
>> arrogant ass) from my clients that I give them. I don't write
>> contracts or communications with my clients in all the nonsense, and
>> won't take it from them when we are negotiating or under contract.
>>
>> And professional reciprocation doesn't include getting texts at all
>> hours of the day and night because it was completely convenient for
>> them at the moment they thought about it. In these difficult economic
>> times I answer the phone no matter when I am called by current
>> clients, or someone that simply can't get to a phne during the day.
>> But for the rest of the world, I have to keep it to 8-6pm. I don't
>> like getting phone calls from bored husbands on Saturday wondering if
>> I can come out on Sunday to look at their project. Texting would make
>> that waaaay to easy.
>>
>> Here's the no-texting bonus for me. NEVER have I had a <guy> tell me
>> they preferred to text me. In fact, when I give my clients my cell
>> number, they tell me they *prefer* talking to me personally, live in
>> person. Occasionally there is an irritated soccer Mom or other
>> important female that doesn't have the time for a voice chat (but
>> endless time to text all day), but even then, most folks seem to
>> prefer voice.
>>
>> I know one day I will have to join the relentless marauding horde, but
>> not one day sooner than I need to for me.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> All so true, I don't even like having a cell phone, but it is a company
> phone and I am on emergency call everyday all day.
>
> I am increasingly getting request for texting by clients of my dog
> business, I decline. They have my numbers they can call or email.
>
> Some buyers are very efficient, 1 email for pictures, 1 email to
> arrange payment, one phone call by me to arrange shipping,
> deal done. Others require as much as 1/2 dozen phone calls and
> 20 emails, I can't imagine having such a person empowered with
> texting, there aren't enough hours in the day.
>
> basilisk
>

I had a cell phone for a while. No one but my family knew the number.
The only calls I made or received, were of the following types:
Calls:
1. 'I am going to town to get xxxxx, do you need anything"?
2. "I am in (some store), they don't have the brand you wanted, should I
get the xxxxx brand"?
Received:
1. "While you are at XXXXXX, will you pick up some xxxxx"?
2. "Where are you? I need you to pick up xxxxx".
I no longer have a cell phone.

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