I made one file handle and used 3/4 copper pipe for the ferrule.
But now it looks too nice to throw in the toolbox but I did anyway
I got it pretty close on the lathe but to get the final fit I used
180 sandpaper so the ferrule just barely fit.
Drilled the first hole to match the small end of the file then
drilled part way with a bit that was a little smaller than
the wide end.
Held the file in one hand and beat on the other with my carving
mallet. This was a small flat metal file. 1/2" wide and 10" or so
Sprayed it with a few coats of lacquer and all's well
I stood out in the sun and sprayed all 3 coats quickly
rotating the handle for quick drying and no running.
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:05:49 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 1/21/2015 4:52 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> I made one file handle and used 3/4 copper pipe for the ferrule.
>> But now it looks too nice to throw in the toolbox but I did anyway
>>
>> I got it pretty close on the lathe but to get the final fit I used
>> 180 sandpaper so the ferrule just barely fit.
>>
>> Drilled the first hole to match the small end of the file then
>> drilled part way with a bit that was a little smaller than
>> the wide end.
>>
>> Held the file in one hand and beat on the other with my carving
>> mallet. This was a small flat metal file. 1/2" wide and 10" or so
>>
>> Sprayed it with a few coats of lacquer and all's well
>>
>> I stood out in the sun and sprayed all 3 coats quickly
>> rotating the handle for quick drying and no running.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>BTW I think they used to use heat to set a file in a handle. A little
>heat at a time, push, remove, more heat, push, remove.
>
>That's what I remember seeing somewhere about old time handles.
Some old shovel handles were "pyro-set" or "fire-fit"
On 1/21/2015 4:52 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> I made one file handle and used 3/4 copper pipe for the ferrule.
> But now it looks too nice to throw in the toolbox but I did anyway
>
> I got it pretty close on the lathe but to get the final fit I used
> 180 sandpaper so the ferrule just barely fit.
>
> Drilled the first hole to match the small end of the file then
> drilled part way with a bit that was a little smaller than
> the wide end.
>
> Held the file in one hand and beat on the other with my carving
> mallet. This was a small flat metal file. 1/2" wide and 10" or so
>
> Sprayed it with a few coats of lacquer and all's well
>
> I stood out in the sun and sprayed all 3 coats quickly
> rotating the handle for quick drying and no running.
>
>
>
>
>
>
BTW I think they used to use heat to set a file in a handle. A little
heat at a time, push, remove, more heat, push, remove.
That's what I remember seeing somewhere about old time handles.
--
Jeff
On 1/22/2015 9:53 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:06:58 -0600
> Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you get the ring just to tight - won't slip on -
>> that is perfect. Heat the ring - it expands and slip it on.
>> It will cool and compress the fit. Might have colors on it,
>> might want to polish them out.
>
> Sounds reasonable. Have you done this?
>
Yes - nice to have a old convection oven in the shop for shop work.
I cook welding rods and cook rings to fit metal and wood.
On metal, the inside part is cooled and the outside is heated.
Metal - Slip it down a shaft and then into a ring area - trapped ring.
Martin
On 1/22/2015 1:00 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:31:23 -0500
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
>> expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
>
> Does it burn the wood? If it did and I think it would then I would
> not want to do so.
>
You don't' need to get it to burning temp!
3-400 degrees F is all that is needed. Maybe less. Boiling water is
likely enough.
Martin
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, [email protected] wrot=
e:
> I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
> expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
Similarly, I recall, when working offshore (college days), we'd have to cha=
nge the brass bushing in the top pulley of the crane. We'd keep the bushi=
ng in the freezer, for it to shrink, a tad, allowing for better installing =
into the tight "ring" of the pulley. Once installed and it warms up (expan=
d), it would further snug itself onto/inside the pulley wheel.
The concept has been around for ages.
Pic of a (brass?) bushing inside the pulley wheel: =20
http://www.kasirgakulevinc.com/yedekparca_HOOK-SYSTEM-FLOAT-PULLEY_51_en.ht=
ml
Sonny
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:00:27 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:31:23 -0500
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
>> expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
>
>Does it burn the wood? If it did and I think it would then I would
>not want to do so.
>
>
It will only burn the wood if the ring is too hot. For dry wood, think
about 450F max and you are fine.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:53:17 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:06:58 -0600
>Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you get the ring just to tight - won't slip on -
>> that is perfect. Heat the ring - it expands and slip it on.
>> It will cool and compress the fit. Might have colors on it,
>> might want to polish them out.
>
>Sounds reasonable. Have you done this?
>
I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I made one file handle and used 3/4 copper pipe for the ferrule.
> But now it looks too nice to throw in the toolbox but I did anyway
>
> I got it pretty close on the lathe but to get the final fit I used
> 180 sandpaper so the ferrule just barely fit.
>
> Drilled the first hole to match the small end of the file then
> drilled part way with a bit that was a little smaller than
> the wide end.
>
> Held the file in one hand and beat on the other with my carving
> mallet. This was a small flat metal file. 1/2" wide and 10" or so
>
> Sprayed it with a few coats of lacquer and all's well
>
> I stood out in the sun and sprayed all 3 coats quickly
> rotating the handle for quick drying and no running.
>
Ah... come on. You have to post a picture of that for us.
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I made one file handle and used 3/4 copper pipe for the ferrule.
>> But now it looks too nice to throw in the toolbox but I did anyway
>>
>> I got it pretty close on the lathe but to get the final fit I used
>> 180 sandpaper so the ferrule just barely fit.
>>
>> Drilled the first hole to match the small end of the file then
>> drilled part way with a bit that was a little smaller than
>> the wide end.
>>
>> Held the file in one hand and beat on the other with my carving
>> mallet. This was a small flat metal file. 1/2" wide and 10" or so
>>
>> Sprayed it with a few coats of lacquer and all's well
>>
>> I stood out in the sun and sprayed all 3 coats quickly
>> rotating the handle for quick drying and no running.
>>
>
> Ah... come on. You have to post a picture of that for us.
I halfway expected to see some adventures in metal spinning to make your
ferrules.
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:56:42 -0700
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I made one file handle and used 3/4 copper pipe for the ferrule.
> > But now it looks too nice to throw in the toolbox but I did anyway
> >
> > I got it pretty close on the lathe but to get the final fit I used
> > 180 sandpaper so the ferrule just barely fit.
> >
> > Drilled the first hole to match the small end of the file then
> > drilled part way with a bit that was a little smaller than
> > the wide end.
> >
> > Held the file in one hand and beat on the other with my carving
> > mallet. This was a small flat metal file. 1/2" wide and 10" or so
> >
> > Sprayed it with a few coats of lacquer and all's well
> >
> > I stood out in the sun and sprayed all 3 coats quickly
> > rotating the handle for quick drying and no running.
> >
>
> Ah... come on. You have to post a picture of that for us.
Don't hold your breath I have a nice camera but I barely use it
for it's intended purpose let alone anything else. I do need
to do better at this though. I may sell on etsy so will have to
take more. Doing it well takes time
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:57:46 -0700
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I halfway expected to see some adventures in metal spinning to make
> your ferrules.
Well you're not far off the mark here, I found some examples of
wood jam chucks for touching up ferrules. An inside jam chuck I
guess it'd be
I may do that some day just to dress up the ferrule
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:06:58 -0600
Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you get the ring just to tight - won't slip on -
> that is perfect. Heat the ring - it expands and slip it on.
> It will cool and compress the fit. Might have colors on it,
> might want to polish them out.
Sounds reasonable. Have you done this?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:31:23 -0500
[email protected] wrote:
> I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
> expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
Does it burn the wood? If it did and I think it would then I would
not want to do so.
Sonny wrote:
> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
>> expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
> Similarly, I recall, when working offshore (college days), we'd have to change the brass bushing in the top pulley of the crane. We'd keep the bushing in the freezer, for it to shrink, a tad, allowing for better installing into the tight "ring" of the pulley. Once installed and it warms up (expand), it would further snug itself onto/inside the pulley wheel.
>
> The concept has been around for ages.
>
> Pic of a (brass?) bushing inside the pulley wheel:
> http://www.kasirgakulevinc.com/yedekparca_HOOK-SYSTEM-FLOAT-PULLEY_51_en.html
>
> Sonny
Mom mom did it backwards, using hot water to get the metal lid off of
the peanut butter jar! : )
Martin Eastburn wrote:
> On 1/22/2015 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Sonny wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, [email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
>>>> expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
>>> Similarly, I recall, when working offshore (college days), we'd have
>>> to change the brass bushing in the top pulley of the crane. We'd
>>> keep the bushing in the freezer, for it to shrink, a tad, allowing for
>>> better installing into the tight "ring" of the pulley. Once installed
>>> and it warms up (expand), it would further snug itself onto/inside the
>>> pulley wheel.
>>>
>>> The concept has been around for ages.
>>>
>>> Pic of a (brass?) bushing inside the pulley wheel:
>>> http://www.kasirgakulevinc.com/yedekparca_HOOK-SYSTEM-FLOAT-PULLEY_51_en.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sonny
>> My mom did it backwards, using hot water to get the metal lid off of
>> the peanut butter jar! : )
> Mom did it right - the lid is a CUP. Cup expands and the threads loosen.
>
> Rods get hot and lengthen and shrink in diameter.
>
> Balls (bearings) get hot and get larger, but a close fitting ring will
> expand faster. - an old Physics lesson. Linear expansion of the ring
> and cubic expansion of the ball.
My mom wouldn't have got that at all. Her idea of a "ring" and yours,
are altogether different, but I enjoyed it! : )
>
> Martin
On 1/21/2015 3:52 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> I made one file handle and used 3/4 copper pipe for the ferrule.
> But now it looks too nice to throw in the toolbox but I did anyway
>
> I got it pretty close on the lathe but to get the final fit I used
> 180 sandpaper so the ferrule just barely fit.
>
> Drilled the first hole to match the small end of the file then
> drilled part way with a bit that was a little smaller than
> the wide end.
>
> Held the file in one hand and beat on the other with my carving
> mallet. This was a small flat metal file. 1/2" wide and 10" or so
>
> Sprayed it with a few coats of lacquer and all's well
>
> I stood out in the sun and sprayed all 3 coats quickly
> rotating the handle for quick drying and no running.
>
If you get the ring just to tight - won't slip on -
that is perfect. Heat the ring - it expands and slip it on.
It will cool and compress the fit. Might have colors on it,
might want to polish them out.
Martin
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:11:29 -0500
[email protected] wrote:
>
> It will only burn the wood if the ring is too hot. For dry wood, think
> about 450F max and you are fine.
It'll burn my fingers tho
I always go the simple route, well not always but I strive
lathe->little sanding->repeat until it almost fits
i also added a slight chamfer to the ferrule lip inside
the wood was very dry too
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:49:41 -0600
Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> You don't' need to get it to burning temp!
>
> 3-400 degrees F is all that is needed. Maybe less. Boiling water is
> likely enough.
will stay the course of the simple route
lathe->sand->repeat
On 1/22/2015 1:01 PM, Bill wrote:
> Sonny wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-6, [email protected]
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've done it and it works pretty well. You don't get a large amount of
>>> expansion, but they sure fit tight when you are done.
>> Similarly, I recall, when working offshore (college days), we'd have
>> to change the brass bushing in the top pulley of the crane. We'd
>> keep the bushing in the freezer, for it to shrink, a tad, allowing for
>> better installing into the tight "ring" of the pulley. Once installed
>> and it warms up (expand), it would further snug itself onto/inside the
>> pulley wheel.
>>
>> The concept has been around for ages.
>>
>> Pic of a (brass?) bushing inside the pulley wheel:
>> http://www.kasirgakulevinc.com/yedekparca_HOOK-SYSTEM-FLOAT-PULLEY_51_en.html
>>
>>
>> Sonny
> Mom mom did it backwards, using hot water to get the metal lid off of
> the peanut butter jar! : )
Mom did it right - the lid is a CUP. Cup expands and the threads loosen.
Rods get hot and lengthen and shrink in diameter.
Balls (bearings) get hot and get larger, but a close fitting ring will
expand faster. - an old Physics lesson. Linear expansion of the ring
and cubic expansion of the ball.
Martin