Some of the tools that i've bought in the past didn't last very long.
The tips would get bent or get grooves in them. Basically tools became
useless very quickly. They were no name brand, made in outer mongolia
kind of products. So my question is which company makes good, long lasting,
quality tools. It's perfectly OK if I have to pay premium. The tools I'm
looking to
buy are the kinds I would need in an emergency around a city appartment.
So, hammer, screwdriver set, pliers, long-nose pliers etc. What else would
you
say I need?
thanx
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:41:40 -0400, "asdf" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I meant specifically hand tools not powered by electricity.
I have never been let down by Veritas.
Barry
Talk about a tough question...
I have a mixed bag of everything in my shop. On my work trucks there
are just about every major brand there.
In my mind, you have to find one of two of the good power tools some
manufacturer makes by asking around. For years I haven't felt
comfortable just replacing a tool with a brand loyal product. Most
recently I have quit buying DeWalt altoghether, although at one time
they were great.
The only manufacturers now that I have consistently good luck with are
Bosch and Milwaulkee. But with the recent ownership change by
Milwaulkee that may change in the near future.
For non tailed hand tools, I am there with the Craftsman crowd.
Robert
asdf wrote:
> Some of the tools that i've bought in the past didn't last very long.
> The tips would get bent or get grooves in them. Basically tools became
> useless very quickly. They were no name brand, made in outer mongolia
> kind of products. So my question is which company makes good, long lasting,
> quality tools. It's perfectly OK if I have to pay premium. The tools I'm
> looking to
> buy are the kinds I would need in an emergency around a city appartment.
> So, hammer, screwdriver set, pliers, long-nose pliers etc. What else would
> you
> say I need?
>
> thanx
I would suggest a Estwing Hammer. I got one that works great for
driving nails all day. Long handle and large head, weighs a lot, not
sure of the ounces. The only bad thing I can say about Estwing is that
they ring when driving nails. Does not bother me, but some people are
sensitive to the sound.
While we're on the topic of hand-tools like wrenches, screwdrivers, etc
(as opposed to handplanes and chisels)......
Can anyone give me some insight into the differences between NAPA
Professional Series tools verus Snap-On? A quick glance tells me the
Snap-On is 30% higher. Wil I get 30% more performance?
asdf wrote:
> So my question is which company makes good, long
> lasting, quality tools. It's perfectly OK if I have to pay premium.
For screwdrivers, pliers, and electrician's tools, Klein is a good choice.
You can find Klein tools at Sears, Home Despot, etc. Knipex is also good
for pliers. Lindstrom makes very good (and very expensive) pliers for
delicate work, such as electronic repair or jewelry. Wiha makes good
jeweler's screwdrivers.
For hammers: Vaughan. The Vaughan Superbar pry bar is also very handy.
Measuring tools: Craftsman tape measure (seems to be a lot more durable than
Stanley). Stabila levels. General 6" steel pocket rule. Swanson speed
square. Starrett combination square. Brown & Sharpe dial caliper. Johnson
drywall square.
Craftsman wrenches aren't bad. Snap-On wrenches are top notch, but very
expensive.
Nicholson files are good. Pferd, Simonds, and Grobet are also good, but not
as easy to find.
--
--Steve
I have a very old set of Craftsman hand tools including ratchets, sockets
and open/box end wrenches. Good tools and good guarantee. I backed the
truck over one of the 1/2" ratchet handles a few years ago and actually
broke it. Took it back to the store and the clerk handed me a new one.
With that said, Master Mechanic tools carry the same lifetime guarantee on
sockets, screwdrivers and similar hand tools. In some cases they cost about
1/2 the cost of similar Craftsman tools. True Value sells Master Mechanic.
RonB
In article <[email protected]>,
Amused <[email protected]> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>.... (I once ran across the manufacturer of
>Craftsman hand tools, and was surprised that they manufacturer several
>different brands, but I can't remember who it was. I do remember that I'd
>never heard of the company)
...<snipped...>
Probably Danaher.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
"asdf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some of the tools that i've bought in the past didn't last very long.
> The tips would get bent or get grooves in them. Basically tools became
> useless very quickly. They were no name brand, made in outer mongolia
> kind of products. So my question is which company makes good, long
> lasting,
> quality tools. It's perfectly OK if I have to pay premium. The tools I'm
> looking to
> buy are the kinds I would need in an emergency around a city appartment.
> So, hammer, screwdriver set, pliers, long-nose pliers etc. What else would
> you
> say I need?
For hand tools, Craftsman, Mac, Snap On are a few good brands.
You need an adjustable wrench, probably a small and a medium size for most
household repairs. Utility knife, small saw, putty knife
I know a lot of people don't like Craftsman ... but they DO guarantee
their tools. My father had a craftsman wrench that broke and so he took
it back to Sears and asked for a free replacement.
The "kid" working at the counter looked at this sorry wrench my father
brought in which was clearly older than the kid himself. He said, "I
can't replace this. It's old and broken."
My father said, "If it wasn't broken, I wouldn't want it replaced!"
Well, they argued for a while and then an older manager came by to see
what was going on. He looked at the wrench, saw that it was a Craftsman
wrench, and told the young clerk "Replace it, free."
The kid couldn't believe his ears! He started arguing with the manager!
LOL
Anyway, Dad said that twice in his life, he had a craftsman tool break
and got them replaced as per their guarantee. Not bad, huh?
Jack
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "asdf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Some of the tools that i've bought in the past didn't last very long.
>>The tips would get bent or get grooves in them. Basically tools became
>>useless very quickly. They were no name brand, made in outer mongolia
>>kind of products. So my question is which company makes good, long
>>lasting,
>>quality tools. It's perfectly OK if I have to pay premium. The tools I'm
>>looking to
>>buy are the kinds I would need in an emergency around a city appartment.
>>So, hammer, screwdriver set, pliers, long-nose pliers etc. What else would
>>you
>>say I need?
>
>
> For hand tools, Craftsman, Mac, Snap On are a few good brands.
>
> You need an adjustable wrench, probably a small and a medium size for most
> household repairs. Utility knife, small saw, putty knife
>
>
No.
"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message A quick glance
tells me the
> Snap-On is 30% higher. Wil I get 30% more performance?
>
Napa Professional tools are made by Danaher, the same company that makes
Crapsman. Yes, they make them to Napa's exceeding specs (ie. use the same
internals, but change the housing slightly and write Napa on it instead of
Crapsman).
"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> While we're on the topic of hand-tools like wrenches, screwdrivers, etc
> (as opposed to handplanes and chisels)......
>
> Can anyone give me some insight into the differences between NAPA
> Professional Series tools verus Snap-On? A quick glance tells me the
> Snap-On is 30% higher. Wil I get 30% more performance?
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, "mywebaccts (at)
PLUGcomcast.net" <"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net"> says...
> Anyway, Dad said that twice in his life, he had a craftsman tool break
> and got them replaced as per their guarantee. Not bad, huh?
>
I had an old (20+ years) steel carpenters square (with rafter tables)
that had gotten warped and I couldn't get it fixed to lay straight. I
took it back and their current steel square didn't have the rafter
tables. So they gave me a solid brass one that did!
I agree that their power stuff is chancy. And I'm not impressed with
most of the hand woodworking tools (chisels, files, planes, etc.). But
for hand mechanics tools they're hard to beat.
I did note the last time I bought a Craftsman garden pruner, the text
said that the free replacement didn't apply to the blade part. I don't
know if they're reducing the warranty on other tools as well or not.
--
BNSF = Build Now, Seep Forever
asdf wrote:
> Some of the tools that i've bought in the past didn't last very long.
> The tips would get bent or get grooves in them. Basically tools became
> useless very quickly. They were no name brand, made in outer mongolia
> kind of products. So my question is which company makes good, long lasting,
> quality tools. It's perfectly OK if I have to pay premium. The tools I'm
> looking to
> buy are the kinds I would need in an emergency around a city appartment.
> So, hammer, screwdriver set, pliers, long-nose pliers etc. What else would
> you
> say I need?
>
> thanx
>
>
I inherited a wooden box full of pipe wrenches, threader, etc. from my
FIL. I was giving them a cleaning (read lick and a promise) and came
across a hacksaw on the bottom of the box. Broken handle, useless
blade. I was about to toss it when I noticed a "C" on the bow. A bit
of rubbing revealed the magic word: Craftsman. Put it in a bag and the
next time I was near Sears, took it in. The clerk looked at it, his
eyebrows moving into his receding hairline, and allowed that this was an
old-timer. He disappeared and then reappeared with a shiny new hacksaw.
With a fresh bag to boot. :-)
mahalo,
jo4hn
Kobalt is made by Snapon.
"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I've actually had excellent results with Kobalt, from Lowes.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:43:36 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:240Se.12862$tT.4132@okepread02...
>>I have a very old set of Craftsman hand tools including ratchets, sockets
>>and open/box end wrenches. Good tools and good guarantee. I backed the
>>truck over one of the 1/2" ratchet handles a few years ago and actually
>>broke it. Took it back to the store and the clerk handed me a new one.
>>
>
>1/2" breaker bar about 20" long. I'm standing & bouncing on the end of it
>trying to free a 1 or 1 1/8" nut on a trailer ball(had it turned sideways in
>the receiver on the truck). About 4 bounces(any of you who've seen my
>likeness on ABPW will realize I'm a fair-sized li'l feller) & I'm standing
>on the ground wondering WTF? It peeled the 1/2" drive off in a spiral
>pattern. Back to Sears, came home with a new one.
I inherited one from my grandfather in similar condition. sears gave
me a replacement, though it is shorter than the one it replaced.
"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> While we're on the topic of hand-tools like wrenches, screwdrivers, etc
> (as opposed to handplanes and chisels)......
>
> Can anyone give me some insight into the differences between NAPA
> Professional Series tools verus Snap-On? A quick glance tells me the
> Snap-On is 30% higher. Wil I get 30% more performance?
>
Yes. The Snap-On screwdriver will drive a screw 30% faster than the NAPA
screwdriver...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" <"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net"> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> I know a lot of people don't like Craftsman ... but they DO guarantee
> their tools. My father had a craftsman wrench that broke and so he took
> it back to Sears and asked for a free replacement.
You need to make perfectly clear that the replacement guaratee is for HAND
TOOL ONLY. IMNSHO, Craftsman *hand* tools are decent; *most* of their power
tools are, typical consumer-oriented junk.
-Steve
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:240Se.12862$tT.4132@okepread02...
>I have a very old set of Craftsman hand tools including ratchets, sockets
>and open/box end wrenches. Good tools and good guarantee. I backed the
>truck over one of the 1/2" ratchet handles a few years ago and actually
>broke it. Took it back to the store and the clerk handed me a new one.
>
1/2" breaker bar about 20" long. I'm standing & bouncing on the end of it
trying to free a 1 or 1 1/8" nut on a trailer ball(had it turned sideways in
the receiver on the truck). About 4 bounces(any of you who've seen my
likeness on ABPW will realize I'm a fair-sized li'l feller) & I'm standing
on the ground wondering WTF? It peeled the 1/2" drive off in a spiral
pattern. Back to Sears, came home with a new one.
--
Nahmie
The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves.
On 14 Sep 2005 18:07:09 -0700, "Never Enough Money"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>While we're on the topic of hand-tools like wrenches, screwdrivers, etc
>(as opposed to handplanes and chisels)......
I've actually had excellent results with Kobalt, from Lowes.
I meant specifically hand tools not powered by electricity.
thank you so much for replying.
What about Stanley tools. I keep seeing them everywhere.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Talk about a tough question...
>
> I have a mixed bag of everything in my shop. On my work trucks there
> are just about every major brand there.
>
> In my mind, you have to find one of two of the good power tools some
> manufacturer makes by asking around. For years I haven't felt
> comfortable just replacing a tool with a brand loyal product. Most
> recently I have quit buying DeWalt altoghether, although at one time
> they were great.
>
> The only manufacturers now that I have consistently good luck with are
> Bosch and Milwaulkee. But with the recent ownership change by
> Milwaulkee that may change in the near future.
>
> For non tailed hand tools, I am there with the Craftsman crowd.
>
> Robert
>
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:10:41 -0700, jo4hn wrote:
> next time I was near Sears, took it in. The clerk looked at it, his
> eyebrows moving into his receding hairline, and allowed that this was an
> old-timer. He disappeared and then reappeared with a shiny new hacksaw.
As I recall, the offer is made to the original customer. Forget New
Orleans: it seems there are quite enough looters on the Wreck.
sheesh
"asdf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some of the tools that i've bought in the past didn't last very long.
> The tips would get bent or get grooves in them. Basically tools became
> useless very quickly. They were no name brand, made in outer mongolia
> kind of products. So my question is which company makes good, long
> lasting,
> quality tools. It's perfectly OK if I have to pay premium. The tools I'm
> looking to
> buy are the kinds I would need in an emergency around a city appartment.
> So, hammer, screwdriver set, pliers, long-nose pliers etc. What else would
> you
> say I need?
>
> thanx
>
For the non-mechanic, Craftsman (non-electric) hand tools are probably the
best bang-for-the-buck. Crap. (I once ran across the manufacturer of
Craftsman hand tools, and was surprised that they manufacturer several
different brands, but I can't remember who it was. I do remember that I'd
never heard of the company)
With power-tools, (both air and electric powertools) it quickly becomes a
hit or miss proposition. Some are good, some aren't. I have a couple of
twenty-plus year old Craftsman router that still work as well as my more
modern Bosch. But, I wouldn't consider a modern Craftsman router.
I have a very old Craftsman 1/2" drill. Both the trigger and the cord have
been replaced at least once. But that brute is still unmatched when it
comes heavy duty drilling.
If I happened to be an auto mechanic (or similar tradesman), I'd probably go
for Snap-on. Most plumbers swear by Rigid, and it's a rare professional
electrician that doesn't have a couple of Klein tools in his pouch. But
those tools are considerably MORE expensive, so the discussion is really
revolving around "value" rather than quality.
I have several different Craftsman pneumatic staplers/nailers that have
proved to be perfectly adequate for my light duty, home workshop
environment, but I would probably opt for a higher priced name brand if I
was using them in a production shop environment.
So...it all depends...
James...
Just recently, my SIL borrowed my 35 year old torque wrench, only to
discover it was no longer functioning. He did have to discuss the
replacement briefly since the wrench was older than he was, and Sears no
longer carried that model. That new high-dollar wrench is sure a beauty.
<Grin>