Minwax PolyShades, Can't I change the color?

Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:04pm [email protected] (Dan) doth sayeth:
Hello,
I recently built a coffee table <snip>

I'm always slightly puzzled by questions like this. You've got
the can, right? The can has a label, right? The label has a 1-800
number, right? Call the 1-800 number and ask someone from the company
your questions. That'd be my first option. My second option would be
to ask my mother. My third option would be to ask here. In real life I
might well just think about it awhile, then just start over from
scratch, not asking anyone anything. Either that or change all my other
furniture to match it.



JOAT
Justice was invented by the innocent.
Mercy and lawyers were invented by the guilty.

Dan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I recently built a coffee table made of solid pine. I put one coat of
> Minwax Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner, and three coats of Minwax PolyShades
> Bombay Mahogany 380/480.
>
> My issue is that the color does not go with the rest of our furniture in the
> room and want to change the stain to Old Maple 330/430 or even Royal Walnut
> 350/450. Basically we want a more brown color and no red.
>
> Minwax writes:
> "PolyShades also allows you to easily change the color of your currently
> stained or varnished wood without stripping. Over old varnish you can change
> or darken the color without removing the old finish or hiding the grain."
>
> Has anyone attempted a stain change with PolyShades? Do I have other
> options, aside for striping and re-staining?
>
> Thanks
> Daniel.
>
>
>
>
The other color polyshades over what you have may be fine. Also look at
spray lacquer toner. Bahlens is one brand. It can go over poly, may not
obscure the wood as much as polyshades, and may bring you to the color
you like. Lots of "mays". Good luck.

"Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My first option is to ask here, and I'm glad I did.
>
> Once again, thank you all for your suggestions.
>
> Dan.

Sometimes you get useless info on here, but more often than not, most
everybody tries to help. Others offer opinions. Chances are somebody has
done the same thing and found a work around. I would save the 800 number
for a last resort. You know they're going to tell you something totally "by
the book".

"Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello,
>
> I recently built a coffee table made of solid pine. I put one coat of
> Minwax Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner, and three coats of Minwax PolyShades
> Bombay Mahogany 380/480.
>
> My issue is that the color does not go with the rest of our furniture in
> the room and want to change the stain to Old Maple 330/430 or even Royal
> Walnut 350/450. Basically we want a more brown color and no red.
>
> Minwax writes:
> "PolyShades also allows you to easily change the color of your currently
> stained or varnished wood without stripping. Over old varnish you can
> change or darken the color without removing the old finish or hiding the
> grain."
>
> Has anyone attempted a stain change with PolyShades? Do I have other
> options, aside for striping and re-staining?
>
PolyShades is more like paint than stain, but that is besides the fact.

I would find a brown color and try it over what you have. It might tint it
more brown. Or, it might not.

Well, actually, I would just paint the sucker.

"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 31 Aug 2006 13:35:26 +0200, No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>The other color polyshades over what you have may be fine. Also look at
>>spray lacquer toner. Bahlens is one brand. It can go over poly, may not
>>obscure the wood as much as polyshades, and may bring you to the color
>>you like.
>
> Carefully and completely test it first on scrap or an unseen area of
> the item!
>
> Depending on the curing (not just "dry") status of the Polyshades,
> lacquer (a.k.a. Behlen's toners, Deft, etc...) can wrinkle and eat
> into varnishes. Polyshades is a colored poylurethane varnish.
>
> Varnishes can almost always go over lacquer. When lacquer is applied
> over a varnish, it must be applied very lightly and the varnish must
> be completely cured. Even if the varnish is long cured, a heavy
> enough application of lacquer can wreak havoc.

Thanks for all the input.

I'm going to sample the stain on an unseen part of the table first and see
if I get the results I'm looking for.

Let you all know how it goes...
Thanks again.

On 30/08/2006 12:04 PM, Dan wrote:

> I recently built a coffee table made of solid pine. I put one coat of
> Minwax Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner, and three coats of Minwax PolyShades
> Bombay Mahogany 380/480.
>
> My issue is that the color does not go with the rest of our furniture in the
> room and want to change the stain to Old Maple 330/430 or even Royal Walnut
> 350/450. Basically we want a more brown color and no red.
>
> Minwax writes:
> "PolyShades also allows you to easily change the color of your currently
> stained or varnished wood without stripping. Over old varnish you can change
> or darken the color without removing the old finish or hiding the grain."
>
> Has anyone attempted a stain change with PolyShades? Do I have other
> options, aside for striping and re-staining?

I think maybe the key word there is "darken". I've seen the Bombay (for
some reason my daughter wanted her futon frame that colour, and there's
no arguing common sense with teenage daughters :-). With a colour that
intense, it might be tough to get it more brown without losing the
grain. I'd suggest a test piece first.

I have used the Bombay on a daughter's end tables.

I doubt you can change the color to a lighter version.

I would burn the table or give it away.
(consider it a prototype)

Starting over is easier at times....

Next time do a "sample" piece on plywood rather than
experimenting on the final version.


Dan wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently built a coffee table made of solid pine. I put one coat of
> Minwax Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner, and three coats of Minwax PolyShades
> Bombay Mahogany 380/480.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:29:44 -0400, [email protected] (J T)

>change all my other furniture to match it.

That's easy ;)

On 31 Aug 2006 13:35:26 +0200, No <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>The other color polyshades over what you have may be fine. Also look at
>spray lacquer toner. Bahlens is one brand. It can go over poly, may not
>obscure the wood as much as polyshades, and may bring you to the color
>you like.

Carefully and completely test it first on scrap or an unseen area of
the item!

Depending on the curing (not just "dry") status of the Polyshades,
lacquer (a.k.a. Behlen's toners, Deft, etc...) can wrinkle and eat
into varnishes. Polyshades is a colored poylurethane varnish.

Varnishes can almost always go over lacquer. When lacquer is applied
over a varnish, it must be applied very lightly and the varnish must
be completely cured. Even if the varnish is long cured, a heavy
enough application of lacquer can wreak havoc.

My first option is to ask here, and I'm glad I did.

Once again, thank you all for your suggestions.

Dan.

"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:04pm [email protected] (Dan) doth sayeth:
> Hello,
> I recently built a coffee table <snip>
>
> I'm always slightly puzzled by questions like this. You've got
> the can, right? The can has a label, right? The label has a 1-800
> number, right? Call the 1-800 number and ask someone from the company
> your questions. That'd be my first option. My second option would be
> to ask my mother. My third option would be to ask here. In real life I
> might well just think about it awhile, then just start over from
> scratch, not asking anyone anything. Either that or change all my other
> furniture to match it.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Justice was invented by the innocent.
> Mercy and lawyers were invented by the guilty.
>