I love these programs along with Norms show, but there are some glaring
errors that you can't help notice, and could be the dead fall of the home
owner. For example in a recent episode (Aired Sat) the plummer puts a sump
pump on a basement dehumidefier and plumbs it out the side of the house.
Did you notice when they pulled the full condensate catch pan from the unit
it shut off. They then immediately placed the pan back in the unit and it
started right back up. This is a major no-no. If you shut off any
refrigeration unit you should wait at least 10 mins to start it back up.
This is one of the reasons why brown-outs and short power interruptions are
hard on your appliances. The other thing they neglected to detail on that
particular installation is the routing of the sump lines from the catch pan.
You can't just put the pump in there without making some provision for the
discharge lines to go out. A bit of an oversite in my opinion. Just my
observations. Have you got any other examples???
Wolf-==-
What I would like to see is the out takes from these shows. Norm cutting
the board too short, or attempting to assemble the joint only to find that
he had cut the tennon too long making the board too short etc.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
wolfb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I love these programs along with Norms show, but there are some glaring
> errors that you can't help notice, and could be the dead fall of the home
> owner. For example in a recent episode (Aired Sat) the plummer puts a
sump
> pump on a basement dehumidefier and plumbs it out the side of the house.
> Did you notice when they pulled the full condensate catch pan from the
unit
> it shut off. They then immediately placed the pan back in the unit and it
> started right back up. This is a major no-no. If you shut off any
> refrigeration unit you should wait at least 10 mins to start it back up.
> This is one of the reasons why brown-outs and short power interruptions
are
> hard on your appliances. The other thing they neglected to detail on that
> particular installation is the routing of the sump lines from the catch
pan.
> You can't just put the pump in there without making some provision for the
> discharge lines to go out. A bit of an oversite in my opinion. Just my
> observations. Have you got any other examples???
>
> Wolf-==-
>
>
> What I would like to see is the out takes from these shows. Norm
cutting
> the board too short, or attempting to assemble the joint only to find
that
> he had cut the tennon too long making the board too short etc.
Norm is building his projects in two days. Back when he started he was
doing a bathroom cabinet with box joints. Today he is building
mahoghany dining room tables.
I don't think Norm could build the things as fast if he made many
mistakes during filming. Thats why he almost always does a prototype.
> What I would like to see is the out takes from these shows. Norm
cutting
> the board too short, or attempting to assemble the joint only to find
that
> he had cut the tennon too long making the board too short etc.
Norm is building his projects in two days. Back when he started he was
doing a bathroom cabinet with box joints. Today he is building
mahoghany dining room tables.
I don't think Norm could build the things as fast if he made many
mistakes during filming. Thats why he almost always does a prototype.
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As to outtakes, you don't elevate yourself by putting someone else down -
or
> demanding that they do it themselves.
>
The issue is not elevating ones self, the issue is the humor. Norm has
become a fine craftsman. That road was no doubt paved with many small
errors. We all make these errors, it is part of being human just like the
Oscar winning actor that flubs his lines or the consummate professional
newsman that mispronounces the Senators name.
PBS might even make a pledge break special of this.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
In article <[email protected]>, Cherokee-Ltd
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe Mike Holmes should follow these guys around and correct their
> boo-boos. http://www.holmesonhomes.com/ - One of my favourite TV
> shows, this guy comes to the rescue when homeowners discover they
> have been had by fly-by-night contractors.
Great show, but the one thing I'd love to see added would be naming
names of the contractor/con artists. I'm sure the producers are worried
about lawsuits, but, I think most of the contractors would be a) too
small for litigation, b) too afraid of any additional bad publicity, c)
too afraid of losing the court cases on most of the all-too-obvious
f*ckups that they've done. I'd like to see the show step it up a notch
into a serious effort to put these arseholes out of business
I also find myself questioning why any obvious police followups are
NEVER mentioned. Are charges ever laid on these con artists? You'd have
to see for yourself just how bad and how dangerous some of these
mistakes are. Electrocutions, physical injuries, and mould-type
diseases could easily stem from some of these f*ckups.
Gerry
>I love these programs along with Norms show, but there are some glaring
>errors that you can't help notice, and could be the dead fall of the home
>owner. For example in a recent episode (Aired Sat) the plumber puts a sump
>pump on a basement dehumidifier and plumbs it out the side of the house.
>Did you notice when they pulled the full condensate catch pan from the unit
>it shut off. They then immediately placed the pan back in the unit and it
>started right back up. This is a major no-no. If you shut off any
>refrigeration unit you should wait at least 10 min's to start it back up.
>This is one of the reasons why brown-outs and short power interruptions are
>hard on your appliances. The other thing they neglected to detail on that
>particular installation is the routing of the sump lines from the catch pan.
>You can't just put the pump in there without making some provision for the
>discharge lines to go out. A bit of an over site in my opinion. Just my
>observations. Have you got any other examples???
---------
I saw that particular goof also. I think it was just for the sake of
the TV demonstration they did that fast cycling.
I don't remember other goofs, however.
George wrote:
>
> "Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
...about the "what is it?" segment <apparently> seriously? ...
> It's supposed to be a joke. ...
And pretty lame, too. I've not seen a one that was the least bit
actually funny, which may be Lee's problem....
I'd much rather they spent the time on something (actually, <anything>)
else...
John Grossbohlin wrote:
...
> I caught a ATOH show recently where Tom Silva replaced the broken panes of
> glass in a door. The door had two panes with a dividing muntin bar and
> nailed on trim. Both panes were broken and the muntin was clearly broken. An
> application of glazing compound with a chalking gun, stick in the glass and
> glazer's points, nail on the trim and done... Tom did need to create one new
> piece of trim that he cut from a piece of cove molding and shaped to match
> the original trim. Overall it was informative for the uninformed but leaving
> the broken muntin was a bit much.
I didn't see the particular episode, but I think you're being a little
hard on Tom in this description. How would he make a replacement muntin
in a reasonable amount of time on site? And if he did, how would he get
it in place w/o disassembling the frame? If the break was relatively
clean, I suspect it was pretty much concealed by the repair and
certainly suitable for the type of thingy ATOH is doing...
I like to watch Tom a lot...don't do everything like he does, but I've
learned some neat tricks I've not seen before, too...
"Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <<Have you got any other examples???>>
>
> Yeah. It seems that every week one of the guys has some tool that he
can't
> figure out what it is so he asks the other guys and they go around the
table
> and give him bullshit answers like you'd expect from the high school kid
at
> the Borg who just can't bring himself to say "I don't know." I thought
> these guys were supposed to be experts.
>
> Lee
>
It's supposed to be a joke. You haven't figured it out yet?
As to outtakes, you don't elevate yourself by putting someone else down - or
demanding that they do it themselves.
"wolfb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I love these programs along with Norms show, but there are some glaring
>errors that you can't help notice, and could be the dead fall of the home
>owner.
Maybe Mike Holmes should follow these guys around and correct their
boo-boos.
http://www.holmesonhomes.com/ - One of my favourite TV shows, this guy comes
to the rescue when homeowners discover they have been had by fly-by-night
contractors. The gallery on the site shows various episodes with a little
story and before/after photos. Some of the crap he comes across would blow
your mind.
-Brian
Roger, a great idea. Out-takes are popular and entertaining. Worth a
look.
Dave
"Roger Shoaf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What I would like to see is the out takes from these shows. Norm cutting
> the board too short, or attempting to assemble the joint only to find that
> he had cut the tennon too long making the board too short etc.
>
>
> --
>
> Roger Shoaf
>
> About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube,
> then
> they come up with this striped stuff.
>
>
> wolfb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I love these programs along with Norms show, but there are some glaring
>> errors that you can't help notice, and could be the dead fall of the home
>> owner. For example in a recent episode (Aired Sat) the plummer puts a
> sump
>> pump on a basement dehumidefier and plumbs it out the side of the house.
>> Did you notice when they pulled the full condensate catch pan from the
> unit
>> it shut off. They then immediately placed the pan back in the unit and
>> it
>> started right back up. This is a major no-no. If you shut off any
>> refrigeration unit you should wait at least 10 mins to start it back up.
>> This is one of the reasons why brown-outs and short power interruptions
> are
>> hard on your appliances. The other thing they neglected to detail on
>> that
>> particular installation is the routing of the sump lines from the catch
> pan.
>> You can't just put the pump in there without making some provision for
>> the
>> discharge lines to go out. A bit of an oversite in my opinion. Just my
>> observations. Have you got any other examples???
>>
>> Wolf-==-
>>
>>
>
>
"wolfb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I love these programs along with Norms show, but there are some glaring
>errors that you can't help notice, and could be the dead fall of the home
>owner. For example in a recent episode (Aired Sat) the plummer puts a sump
>pump on a basement dehumidefier and plumbs it out the side of the house.
>Did you notice when they pulled the full condensate catch pan from the unit
>it shut off. They then immediately placed the pan back in the unit and it
>started right back up. This is a major no-no. If you shut off any
>refrigeration unit you should wait at least 10 mins to start it back up.
>This is one of the reasons why brown-outs and short power interruptions are
>hard on your appliances. The other thing they neglected to detail on that
>particular installation is the routing of the sump lines from the catch
>pan. You can't just put the pump in there without making some provision for
>the discharge lines to go out. A bit of an oversite in my opinion. Just
>my observations. Have you got any other examples???
I caught a ATOH show recently where Tom Silva replaced the broken panes of
glass in a door. The door had two panes with a dividing muntin bar and
nailed on trim. Both panes were broken and the muntin was clearly broken. An
application of glazing compound with a chalking gun, stick in the glass and
glazer's points, nail on the trim and done... Tom did need to create one new
piece of trim that he cut from a piece of cove molding and shaped to match
the original trim. Overall it was informative for the uninformed but leaving
the broken muntin was a bit much.
John
<<Have you got any other examples???>>
Yeah. It seems that every week one of the guys has some tool that he can't
figure out what it is so he asks the other guys and they go around the table
and give him bullshit answers like you'd expect from the high school kid at
the Borg who just can't bring himself to say "I don't know." I thought
these guys were supposed to be experts.
Lee
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>> wolfb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I love these programs along with Norms show, but there are some glaring
>>> errors that you can't help notice, and could be the dead fall of the home
>>> owner. For example in a recent episode (Aired Sat) the plummer puts a
>> sump
>>> pump on a basement dehumidefier and plumbs it out the side of the house.
>>> Did you notice when they pulled the full condensate catch pan from the
>> unit
>>> it shut off. They then immediately placed the pan back in the unit and
>>> it
>>> started right back up. This is a major no-no. If you shut off any
>>> refrigeration unit you should wait at least 10 mins to start it back up.
While this is true, I seriously doubt one or two instances of this action
is going to cause serious issues in the overall scheme of things.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
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Mark & Juanita responds:
>>> pump on a basement dehumidefier and plumbs it out the side of the house.
>>>> Did you notice when they pulled the full condensate catch pan from the
>>> unit
>>>> it shut off. They then immediately placed the pan back in the unit and
>>>> it
>>>> started right back up. This is a major no-no. If you shut off any
>>>> refrigeration unit you should wait at least 10 mins to start it back up.
>
> While this is true, I seriously doubt one or two instances of this action
>is going to cause serious issues in the overall scheme of things.
It doesn't bother it much, I'm sure. We've got a basement dehumidifier. I dump
it when it needs dumping and stick the condensate pan right back in. I'm not
waiting 10 minutes for the thing to cool down; it is about 16 years old and
still going fine.
Charlie Self
"One of the common denominators I have found is that expectations rise above
that which is expected." George W. Bush
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is exactly the reason I don't watch "Ask this old House"
> That act is supposed to be funny, but it's very annoying.
>
It was sort of funny the first time. Annoying the second time, Downright
tedious after that.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:tDxJd.18899
>
> It was sort of funny the first time. Annoying the second time, Downright
> tedious after that.
That's because the show is for the "can't fix it themselves" crowd. For the
bulk of the people here in this newsgroup, the show is about as simplistic
as it comes. Obviously, that includes the "guess what it is" segment. Most
here are too knowledgeable and capable to benefit.