ISO - special shaped threaded rod

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:03:44 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:32:41 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
>>long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides.
>
>Only 4" long ? Rod, few nuts, vice and a file.

Sound like a punchline for a peculiar joke.

"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, yeah, but I think the problem w/ hand filing is that in order to
> get a profile that has enough clearance he's going to be filing for <a
> long time> (TM)... :(

5 minutes. Are you that impatient?

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:23:46 -0600, "DanG" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I, too, know what you are looking for. I do not know a name or a
>source. I have had a few things that had a square cross section
>threaded on the outside edges. This could be accomplished with
>square hot rolled stock and a good threading die.
>
That's a possibility for me. I'm thinking maybe square stock in aluminum
-- which could probably handle the likely stress (i.e., steel may not be
needed) and it would seem easier for me to thread by hand. What I am
picturing is rounded corners that are threaded -- enough threading for a
nut to grab onto. Thanks. -- Igor

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:32:41 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
> long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides. Sorta like this:
> __
> (__)
>
> It allows a nut to be threaded on it normally but the flat sides allow
> something to be slid over the rod yet not be able to be spun around the rod
> -- if that thing has a complementary non-round hole. Does this type rod
> have a name? Sources? TIA. -- Igor

You need someone with a milling machine and/or a lathe; couple of ways
to do what you want. Are you anywhere near Wisconsin, USA?

Dave Hinz

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:23:46 -0600, DanG <[email protected]> wrote:
> I, too, know what you are looking for. I do not know a name or a
> source. I have had a few things that had a square cross section
> threaded on the outside edges. This could be accomplished with
> square hot rolled stock and a good threading die.

Well, rectangular. But I'd probably mill a piece of threaded rod
and clean it up afterwards with a die, it'd be pretty tough on your
die to start with rectangular stock...unless you take it to the
lathe first. I could spend all afternoon on this ;)

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:05:36 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2004 18:13:10 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>You need someone with a milling machine and/or a lathe; couple of ways
>>to do what you want. Are you anywhere near Wisconsin, USA?
>
> Unfortunately, nope.

There goes my offer of exchanging shop time for beer (in that order).

Dave

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:57:01 GMT, rhncue <[email protected]> wrote:
> How many do you need and what size and thread size and I can make them on my
> mill in about two minutes. Contact me off line and just pay the postage.
> Dick

You're undercutting my price by a six-pack, Dick...

Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:32:41 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
> >long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides.
>
> Only 4" long ? Rod, few nuts, vice and a file.

Well, a hand file will take a <long> time to get the profile igor is
looking for, I wager.

Igor, I know what you're looking for, but I don't know a source (nor the
actual name, either, not that you mention it)...could (obviously) be
made w/ grinder and touch up or start w/ square/rectangular stock and
grind to shape then thread. Of course, if you had a mill and lathe,
you'd be all set...maybe here's the excuse you've been looking for? :)

Lacking a real source, visit your buddy's shop and while his back is
turned swipe the depth bar off <his> drill press! Maybe he won't notice
for long enough he'll not know who it actually was. :)

Perhaps not finding a better source you could get a replacement part
from a drill press not <too> expensively???

Upscale wrote:
>
> "Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > >I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
> > >long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides.
> >
> > Only 4" long ? Rod, few nuts, vice and a file.
>
> If he's going to file two edges flat and still have the threaded sides
> workable with a nut, I'd be more inclined to use a die to clean up the
> threads. Of course, it may depend on the amount of flatness needed and how
> fine the files is.

Well, yeah, but I think the problem w/ hand filing is that in order to
get a profile that has enough clearance he's going to be filing for <a
long time> (TM)... :(

Still think his buddy's drill press depth rod is the most likely
candidate... :)

Upscale wrote:
>
> "Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > Only 4" long ? Rod, few nuts, vice and a file.
> >
> > Well, yeah, but I think the problem w/ hand filing is that in order to
> > get a profile that has enough clearance he's going to be filing for <a
> > long time> (TM)... :(
>
> It's only 4" long. That's pretty quick work with most files. ...

Starting w/ a 3/4" rod and take off a 1/4" or so on each side is going
to be quick w/ a hand file? I don't think so... :)

> ...Worst case
> scenario, he uses an grinder and fine tunes it with a really fine file. I'm
> thinking 30 minutes at best.

That's my thinking if can't find (or make) suitably size rectangular
stock...

> ...But, I do like the drill press depth rod idea.

So do I...looked for spare parts and the one I did locate was $75 for a
typical Delta... :( Of course, that's the high-priced spread, one might
do a little better elsewhere, but as I was afraid, it's not going to be
an el cheapo alternative...and, I think that was the whole depth control
assembly, not just the threaded rod.

I did do a search for square/rectangular threaded bar stock but had
little success (as in none, specifically). Did find a couple of
Acme-thread specialists who undoubtedly have/can make such stuff, but no
distributors in the short time I looked...

> It's beyond me why someone would need one of those on a drill press anyway.
> :)

Control depth, maybe??? :) My cheapo Crapsman doesn't have one and I do
miss it on occasion...

Upscale wrote:
>
> "Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Starting w/ a 3/4" rod and take off a 1/4" or so on each side is going
> > to be quick w/ a hand file? I don't think so... :)
>
> I do, I did something similar once before when I filed out the inner edge of
> a 6" diameter hole in one of my 1/4" thick cast iron tablesaw wings to use
> it as a router table. A rough bastard file took off most of it pretty quick.
> Of course, I used heavy work gloves to minimize the vibration. It would have
> been even faster if I had Lee Valley Tools' auxiliary file/rasp handle. Have
> a look.
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?page=50696&category=51&abspage=1&ccurrency=1&SID=

That is going to be a lot faster than a grade 5 bolt rod...which is most
likely what he'll find at the hardware store to start with...

igor wrote:
>
...
>
> Unfortunately, nope.

Out of curiousity, what are you wanting it for? Perhaps another idea
might crop up...

Although, of course, it <can> be made by hand--patience, patience,
patience...

Leon wrote:
>
> I Found one. In my garage on my Drill Press.
>
> The Stop Rod.
>
> It is 6" long, and 1/2" wide and flat on the front and back side.
>
> It is on my 32" Rockwell Radial Drill Press. Perhaps you can contact Delta.
> It's Rockwell part number is/was
> 402-01-108-0001
>
I posted that suggestion some time back...when looking at parts, dear
old Delta wanted something like $70 for the particular press I happened
to choose... :(

"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Starting w/ a 3/4" rod and take off a 1/4" or so on each side is going
> to be quick w/ a hand file? I don't think so... :)

I do, I did something similar once before when I filed out the inner edge of
a 6" diameter hole in one of my 1/4" thick cast iron tablesaw wings to use
it as a router table. A rough bastard file took off most of it pretty quick.
Of course, I used heavy work gloves to minimize the vibration. It would have
been even faster if I had Lee Valley Tools' auxiliary file/rasp handle. Have
a look.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?page=50696&category=51&abspage=1&ccurrency=1&SID=

I, too, know what you are looking for. I do not know a name or a
source. I have had a few things that had a square cross section
threaded on the outside edges. This could be accomplished with
square hot rolled stock and a good threading die.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
[email protected]



"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at
>least 4"
> long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides. Sorta
> like this:
> __
> (__)
>
> It allows a nut to be threaded on it normally but the flat sides
> allow
> something to be slid over the rod yet not be able to be spun
> around the rod
> -- if that thing has a complementary non-round hole. Does this
> type rod
> have a name? Sources? TIA. -- Igor

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:32:41 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
>long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides.

Only 4" long ? Rod, few nuts, vice and a file.

"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
> >long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides.
>
> Only 4" long ? Rod, few nuts, vice and a file.

If he's going to file two edges flat and still have the threaded sides
workable with a nut, I'd be more inclined to use a die to clean up the
threads. Of course, it may depend on the amount of flatness needed and how
fine the files is.

"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Well, a hand file will take a <long> time to get the profile igor is
> looking for, I wager.

5 minutes, tops.

I Found one. In my garage on my Drill Press.

The Stop Rod.

It is 6" long, and 1/2" wide and flat on the front and back side.

It is on my 32" Rockwell Radial Drill Press. Perhaps you can contact Delta.
It's Rockwell part number is/was
402-01-108-0001






"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
> long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides. Sorta like this:
> __
> (__)
>
> It allows a nut to be threaded on it normally but the flat sides allow
> something to be slid over the rod yet not be able to be spun around the
> rod
> -- if that thing has a complementary non-round hole. Does this type rod
> have a name? Sources? TIA. -- Igor

"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> That is going to be a lot faster than a grade 5 bolt rod...which is most
> likely what he'll find at the hardware store to start with...

Possibly, but I'd have to experience it to convince me. Maybe the metal down
in the US is harder than the frost-bitten, brittle cold stuff we have up
here in Canada. Especially after the polar bears have gnawed on it awhile.
:)

If it were me I'd call up my buddy Bob who owns a machine shop. Since
it's you I recommend getting friendly with a machinist. That's how Bob
and I met BTW.
Have fun.
Joe






igor wrote:

> I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
> long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides. Sorta like this:
> __
> (__)
>
> It allows a nut to be threaded on it normally but the flat sides allow
> something to be slid over the rod yet not be able to be spun around the rod
> -- if that thing has a complementary non-round hole. Does this type rod
> have a name? Sources? TIA. -- Igor

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:57:01 GMT, "rhncue" <[email protected]> wrote:

>How many do you need and what size and thread size and I can make them on my
>mill in about two minutes. Contact me off line and just pay the postage.
> Dick

Wow, that is amazingly generous. Thank you. If I knew 100% that I would
need this part (see a reply post of mine above for what I am thinking about
-- a home-made version of the LV Bit Jack), I'd be in touch ASAP. But, I'm
still tinkering with designs. While I regularly buy parts that I end up
not needing (and they are around here everywhere, and boy is it exciting
when I find some other need for one of them - and I can find it), I'd be
loath to ask someone to make something at my current stage of design. (But
I've flagged your post for future ref.) Again, thank you. This NG gets
more amazing all the time. -- Igor

On 20 Dec 2004 16:19:48 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:57:01 GMT, rhncue <[email protected]> wrote:
>> How many do you need and what size and thread size and I can make them on my
>> mill in about two minutes. Contact me off line and just pay the postage.
>> Dick
>
>You're undercutting my price by a six-pack, Dick...

The market's a bitch, isn't it. Ha!

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:17:15 -0600, Duane Bozarth <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>Out of curiousity, what are you wanting it for? Perhaps another idea
>might crop up...
>
>Although, of course, it <can> be made by hand--patience, patience,
>patience...

I am quite interested in the Veritas Bit Jack,
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?page=43039&category=1,43000&ccurrency=2&SID=

Unfortunately, it does not work with my Bosch 1617, and a call to LV
resulted in learning that it is not likely that a compatible version is on
its way soon. IMO, the Bit Jack seems to provide a great way to do
mortises because the foot pedal lets you easily change the depth of the
bit. If a lot of mortises need to be cut, rather than cutting a shallow
mortise in each piece, resetting, and then doing them all again, it seems
that one could do multi-depth cuts for each mortise all at once, so to
speak. And, no need to drop the piece on a spinning bit. I don't know
what the tech challenges are, but I would think it would make some sense to
offer this product for a router as common as a 1617. Just a hunch.

So, I have pondered making something comparable and one version of what I
came up with would need such a part. The lever arm would slide up and down
this part and a nut would raise/lower the lever arm. I had assumed that
such a part existed - aside from the un-economic depth-setting piece on a
drill press. While I am disappointed that apparently it does not exist, I
am almost proud that I have "stumped the band". I am constantly amazed at
some of the ISO posts here and the almost invariable answer of a name and a
source for it. -- Igor

On 19 Dec 2004 18:13:10 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:32:41 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least 4"
>> long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides. Sorta like this:
>> __
>> (__)
>>
>> It allows a nut to be threaded on it normally but the flat sides allow
>> something to be slid over the rod yet not be able to be spun around the rod
>> -- if that thing has a complementary non-round hole. Does this type rod
>> have a name? Sources? TIA. -- Igor
>
>You need someone with a milling machine and/or a lathe; couple of ways
>to do what you want. Are you anywhere near Wisconsin, USA?
>
>Dave Hinz

Unfortunately, nope.

"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > Only 4" long ? Rod, few nuts, vice and a file.
>
> Well, yeah, but I think the problem w/ hand filing is that in order to
> get a profile that has enough clearance he's going to be filing for <a
> long time> (TM)... :(

It's only 4" long. That's pretty quick work with most files. Worst case
scenario, he uses an grinder and fine tunes it with a really fine file. I'm
thinking 30 minutes at best. But, I do like the drill press depth rod idea.
It's beyond me why someone would need one of those on a drill press anyway.
:)

How many do you need and what size and thread size and I can make them on my
mill in about two minutes. Contact me off line and just pay the postage.
Dick

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"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 19 Dec 2004 18:13:10 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:32:41 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I am looking for a 1/2" or 3/4" threaded steel rod (or a bolt at least
>>> 4"
>>> long) that has been cut so that it has two flat sides. Sorta like this:
>>> __
>>> (__)
>>>
>>> It allows a nut to be threaded on it normally but the flat sides allow
>>> something to be slid over the rod yet not be able to be spun around the
>>> rod
>>> -- if that thing has a complementary non-round hole. Does this type rod
>>> have a name? Sources? TIA. -- Igor
>>
>>You need someone with a milling machine and/or a lathe; couple of ways
>>to do what you want. Are you anywhere near Wisconsin, USA?
>>
>>Dave Hinz
>
> Unfortunately, nope.
>