mB

[email protected] (Basspro*)

22/01/2004 6:42 AM

mineral spirits on wood

I'm currently rebuilding an old antique dresser that my wife bought at
an antique store for pennies due to serious water damage, wood rot,
etc. It's going to be a beatiful dresser once I'm done but right now
its in bad shape. My wife wanted to help me and without me knowing
glued the top planks together with liquid nails. I then tried to sand
down the excess glue with my belt sander and it clogged up my sander
faster than you can snap your fingers. I then read that easy cleanup
for this glue is mineral spirits. I rubbed the top down with mineral
spirits using steel wool and it immediately came off. However its now
darkened the wood quite a bit. I've given it 1 day to dry but it still
feels damp. Should I wait several more days to see if the wood will
lighten or is the wood permanently dark? (It's oak by the way). Can I
apply varnish over this wood now that it's been subjected to mineral
spirits?


This topic has 9 replies

Tt

"Toller"

in reply to [email protected] (Basspro*) on 22/01/2004 6:42 AM

22/01/2004 2:48 PM

Wood darkens with mineral spirits, but should lighten up when it is
evaporated (at least mine always does; I use it sometimes to remove dust
after sanding)

It should evaporate in under an hour. You might try sanding a bit to see if
it is some residue from the liquid nails. I would not varnish until it is
lightened; either by evaporation or by sanding.

My wife refuses to help me at all; maybe I should be grateful.

"Basspro*" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm currently rebuilding an old antique dresser that my wife bought at
> an antique store for pennies due to serious water damage, wood rot,
> etc. It's going to be a beatiful dresser once I'm done but right now
> its in bad shape. My wife wanted to help me and without me knowing
> glued the top planks together with liquid nails. I then tried to sand
> down the excess glue with my belt sander and it clogged up my sander
> faster than you can snap your fingers. I then read that easy cleanup
> for this glue is mineral spirits. I rubbed the top down with mineral
> spirits using steel wool and it immediately came off. However its now
> darkened the wood quite a bit. I've given it 1 day to dry but it still
> feels damp. Should I wait several more days to see if the wood will
> lighten or is the wood permanently dark? (It's oak by the way). Can I
> apply varnish over this wood now that it's been subjected to mineral
> spirits?

Dz

"Dustmaker"

in reply to [email protected] (Basspro*) on 22/01/2004 6:42 AM

22/01/2004 11:14 PM

Be patient with allowing the mineral spirits to dry out. On some woods
where I used MS to see what the grain would look like I could still see
traces of the corner I darkened after more than a day. However, it
eventually dried out. I have also had a similar experience when I used
acetone. I did it by accident and do not recommend using anything other
than mineral spirits which are very user friendly to a varnish finish. For
a Lacquer finish I would think (but don't know) if Lacquer thinner would be
a good solvent to remove goop and preview the grain.


"Basspro*" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm currently rebuilding an old antique dresser that my wife bought at
> an antique store for pennies due to serious water damage, wood rot,
> etc. It's going to be a beatiful dresser once I'm done but right now
> its in bad shape. My wife wanted to help me and without me knowing
> glued the top planks together with liquid nails. I then tried to sand
> down the excess glue with my belt sander and it clogged up my sander
> faster than you can snap your fingers. I then read that easy cleanup
> for this glue is mineral spirits. I rubbed the top down with mineral
> spirits using steel wool and it immediately came off. However its now
> darkened the wood quite a bit. I've given it 1 day to dry but it still
> feels damp. Should I wait several more days to see if the wood will
> lighten or is the wood permanently dark? (It's oak by the way). Can I
> apply varnish over this wood now that it's been subjected to mineral
> spirits?

mB

[email protected] (Basspro*)

in reply to [email protected] (Basspro*) on 22/01/2004 6:42 AM

23/01/2004 6:20 AM

Everyone thanks for the advice. I'm not sure about the alcohol
suggestion though. Any more of you out there suggest using denatured
alcohol on bare oak? Its been a couple of days now and the wood is
still darker than origianally but much lighter than yesterday. It may
take a few more days because I really flooded the wood with this stuff
trying to remove that damn liquid nail glue. I have that stuff!! I
ended up prying the boards apart (carefully) and decided to joint the
edges like one of you said. This has created a nice new start for the
board's edge to work with. I'm considering bisquit joining these
boards together once the mineral spirits has totally evaporated. Do
you know if I can apply Shellac to the wood and then put varnish on
top of that once the shellac is dry?


"Dustmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Be patient with allowing the mineral spirits to dry out. On some woods
> where I used MS to see what the grain would look like I could still see
> traces of the corner I darkened after more than a day. However, it
> eventually dried out. I have also had a similar experience when I used
> acetone. I did it by accident and do not recommend using anything other
> than mineral spirits which are very user friendly to a varnish finish. For
> a Lacquer finish I would think (but don't know) if Lacquer thinner would be
> a good solvent to remove goop and preview the grain.
>
>
> "Basspro*" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm currently rebuilding an old antique dresser that my wife bought at
> > an antique store for pennies due to serious water damage, wood rot,
> > etc. It's going to be a beatiful dresser once I'm done but right now
> > its in bad shape. My wife wanted to help me and without me knowing
> > glued the top planks together with liquid nails. I then tried to sand
> > down the excess glue with my belt sander and it clogged up my sander
> > faster than you can snap your fingers. I then read that easy cleanup
> > for this glue is mineral spirits. I rubbed the top down with mineral
> > spirits using steel wool and it immediately came off. However its now
> > darkened the wood quite a bit. I've given it 1 day to dry but it still
> > feels damp. Should I wait several more days to see if the wood will
> > lighten or is the wood permanently dark? (It's oak by the way). Can I
> > apply varnish over this wood now that it's been subjected to mineral
> > spirits?

dD

[email protected] (DarylRos)

in reply to [email protected] (Basspro*) on 23/01/2004 6:20 AM

23/01/2004 3:53 PM

>I'm not sure about the alcohol
>suggestion though. Any more of you out there suggest using denatured
>alcohol on bare oak? I

When I posted this suggestion, it not only works for me, but was suggested by
Mario Rodriguez. I don't work much with oak, bu tit works with all types of
veneer, and with cherry. I can't see any reaon why it would not work.

BS

"Bob S."

in reply to [email protected] (Basspro*) on 22/01/2004 6:42 AM

22/01/2004 3:07 PM

Steelwool + bare Oak = Bad ! Sanding time.... and not with a belt sander.
Use a ROS or by hand working your way up from 100 grit to 220.

Is the liquid nails still holding the pieces together? If so, get rid of
the liquid nails, clean it all off down to fresh wood and re-glue using PVA.
I'd rip right down the center of the glue line if you can't get these apart
by using a shearing force - like trying to tear a phone book in half - very
carefully. Getting the liquid nails off the edges probably means jointing
the edges again in order to get a clean surface again. The liquid nails has
been forced into the wood grain and needs to be removed.

Bob S.

"Basspro*" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm currently rebuilding an old antique dresser that my wife bought at
> an antique store for pennies due to serious water damage, wood rot,
> etc. It's going to be a beatiful dresser once I'm done but right now
> its in bad shape. My wife wanted to help me and without me knowing
> glued the top planks together with liquid nails. I then tried to sand
> down the excess glue with my belt sander and it clogged up my sander
> faster than you can snap your fingers. I then read that easy cleanup
> for this glue is mineral spirits. I rubbed the top down with mineral
> spirits using steel wool and it immediately came off. However its now
> darkened the wood quite a bit. I've given it 1 day to dry but it still
> feels damp. Should I wait several more days to see if the wood will
> lighten or is the wood permanently dark? (It's oak by the way). Can I
> apply varnish over this wood now that it's been subjected to mineral
> spirits?

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to [email protected] (Basspro*) on 22/01/2004 6:42 AM

22/01/2004 4:08 PM

I use mineral spirits on oak to judge how it will look when stained, by
bringing out the grain better. It clears up (lightens) within a day,
tops. I don't flood it though...

If it feels damp and is dark, give it more time before stain or finish.

dave

Basspro* wrote:
> I'm currently rebuilding an old antique dresser that my wife bought at
> an antique store for pennies due to serious water damage, wood rot,
> etc. It's going to be a beatiful dresser once I'm done but right now
> its in bad shape. My wife wanted to help me and without me knowing
> glued the top planks together with liquid nails. I then tried to sand
> down the excess glue with my belt sander and it clogged up my sander
> faster than you can snap your fingers. I then read that easy cleanup
> for this glue is mineral spirits. I rubbed the top down with mineral
> spirits using steel wool and it immediately came off. However its now
> darkened the wood quite a bit. I've given it 1 day to dry but it still
> feels damp. Should I wait several more days to see if the wood will
> lighten or is the wood permanently dark? (It's oak by the way). Can I
> apply varnish over this wood now that it's been subjected to mineral
> spirits?

dD

[email protected] (DarylRos)

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 22/01/2004 4:08 PM

22/01/2004 4:56 PM

>I use mineral spirits on oak to judge how it will look when stained, by
>bringing out the grain better.

Use denatured alcohol. It evaporates faster, and will leave no residue. You can
even shellac over it after the alcohol has evaporated.

Mark all defects with chalk.

jG

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 22/01/2004 4:08 PM

23/01/2004 9:35 AM

[email protected] (DarylRos) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >I use mineral spirits on oak to judge how it will look when stained, by
> >bringing out the grain better.
>
> Use denatured alcohol. It evaporates faster, and will leave no residue. You can
> even shellac over it after the alcohol has evaporated.
>
> Mark all defects with chalk.

I recently started using shellac so I'm still a novice. Are you
saying that using mineral spirits to remove saw dust is a bad thing if
you plan on shellacing? I just did this recently and it didn't seem
to be a problem. I've even used mineral spirits as a lubricant on the
steel wool after finishing a piece with shellac (did this after
reading a recommendation some where). Was this bad?

Thanks,
Greg

dD

[email protected] (DarylRos)

in reply to [email protected] (Greg) on 23/01/2004 9:35 AM

23/01/2004 5:39 PM

> Are you
>saying that using mineral spirits to remove saw dust is a bad thing if
>you plan on shellacing?

Not at all. You have to be careful when you use alcohol, since that will
dissolve the shellac (makes since considering that is what you mix the flakes
with).


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