Hello all,
I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
the proper paint for them.
Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
Sun, Sep 21, 2003, 7:49am [email protected] (Kevin) claims:
<snip> I painted with latex and it took forever for the paint to cure to
the point were the entertainment stuff stopped sticking. <snip>
I use latex fairly frequently, without problems.
How long is forever?
And, what did you use, indoor, indoor/outdoor, or outdoor, latex?
How thick a coat did you put on?
Use a primer coat?
Did you call the 1-800 # on the can, and tell the manufacturer of
the problem?
JOAT
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Thanks Art,
That sounds like a good solution. Ill get a quart and try it out.
Im painting these in a semi gloss white so all I have to do is match
the paint code with what Ive used (or just scuff and paint over what
I've done).
I was pretty sure humidity had little to do with it since both my house
and shop are air-conditioned.
Kevin
Wood Butcher wrote:
> I've experienced the same problem on my shelving
> projects. This has happened both in Arizona and
> Oregon so humidity doesn't seem to be a factor.
> My solution is to use a gloss alkyd base paint. It
> takes a few days, depending on ambient temperature,
> to completely dry and I've had no problems with
> anything sticking to it.
>
> Art
>
>
> "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Hello all,
>>I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
>>the proper paint for them.
>>Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
>>paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
>>a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
>>sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
>>the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
>>paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
>>sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>>
>>What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
>>harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>>
>
>
>
Thanks Kim,
The next question is can I paint Alkyds over Latex? What prep do I need
to do so?
Kevin
Kim Whitmyre wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
>>Hello all,
>>I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
>>the proper paint for them.
>>Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
>>paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
>>a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
>>sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
>>the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
>>paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
>>sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>>
>>What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
>>harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>>
>>
>
> Alkyd enamels and undercoats are the preferred choice for furniture and
> built-ins. They are thinned with mineral spirits. They cure to a hard
> finish. They also lay on much better than any water-based latex. .
> .Meaning you get a much better finish with no tool marks. Personally, I
> would never use anything else for furniture or built-ins. IMHO.
>
> Kim
2-3 months is not an option.
Kevin
Phisherman wrote:
> I used an enamel paint, priming first. I left the bookcases empty for
> 2-3 months, waxed, buffed, then loaded the books. Had no problems with
> marring nor damage to paint. Patience is a virtue. Fasten the top of
> the bookcase to the wall if you have children or live in earthquake
> country.
>
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:20:58 -0700, Kim Whitmyre
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>>>Hello all,
>>>I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
>>>the proper paint for them.
>>>Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
>>>paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
>>>a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
>>>sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
>>>the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
>>>paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
>>>sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>>>
>>>What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
>>>harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Alkyd enamels and undercoats are the preferred choice for furniture and
>>built-ins. They are thinned with mineral spirits. They cure to a hard
>>finish. They also lay on much better than any water-based latex. .
>>.Meaning you get a much better finish with no tool marks. Personally, I
>>would never use anything else for furniture or built-ins. IMHO.
>>
>>Kim
>
>
I'll be the odd man out and recommend Sherwin Williams Pro Classic with BINS
latex primer, based on what I'm seeing from a friend of mine. SW appears
to have finally came up with a latex that looks like and oil, sprays like a
lacquer, and cleans up with water. Very pricey - about $32 a gallon - but
works well.
Kevin wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
> the proper paint for them.
> Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
> paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
> a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
> sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
> the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
> paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
> sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>
> What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
> harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
Thanks for all the advice.
I'll be painting next week will enjoy finally getting this project done.
Todd Stock wrote:
> I'll be the odd man out and recommend Sherwin Williams Pro Classic with BINS
> latex primer, based on what I'm seeing from a friend of mine. SW appears
> to have finally came up with a latex that looks like and oil, sprays like a
> lacquer, and cleans up with water. Very pricey - about $32 a gallon - but
> works well.
>
> Kevin wrote:
>
>
>>Hello all,
>>I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
>>the proper paint for them.
>>Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
>>paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
>>a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
>>sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
>>the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
>>paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
>>sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>>
>>What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
>>harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Hello all,
> I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
> the proper paint for them.
> Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
> paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
> a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
> sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
> the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
> paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
> sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>
> What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
> harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>
>
Alkyd enamels and undercoats are the preferred choice for furniture and
built-ins. They are thinned with mineral spirits. They cure to a hard
finish. They also lay on much better than any water-based latex. .
.Meaning you get a much better finish with no tool marks. Personally, I
would never use anything else for furniture or built-ins. IMHO.
Kim
I've experienced the same problem on my shelving
projects. This has happened both in Arizona and
Oregon so humidity doesn't seem to be a factor.
My solution is to use a gloss alkyd base paint. It
takes a few days, depending on ambient temperature,
to completely dry and I've had no problems with
anything sticking to it.
Art
"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all,
> I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
> the proper paint for them.
> Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
> paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
> a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
> sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
> the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
> paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
> sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>
> What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
> harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:42:44 -0400, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:
>Thanks Kim,
>The next question is can I paint Alkyds over Latex? What prep do I need
>to do so?
>Kevin
>
Yep, it is doable, but not recommended. There is a xylene thinned
primer called XIM that will work. Pretty nasty stuff, and expensive
too, but it will properly stick to and seal off the latex, providing a
bonding interface for the alkyd finish coat.
That said, latex paints, by their very nature tend to be quite
flexible, while alkyd paints dry somewhat inflexible, and continue to
dry out even further over their lifetime. Twenty+ year old alkyd is
almost glass brittle. For a bookcase, or trim subjected to wear, alkyd
is a far better choice than latex.
If you are starting with bare wood (absolutely NOT over latex), and
have some spray equipment, lacquer would be my first choice.
DLG
I used an enamel paint, priming first. I left the bookcases empty for
2-3 months, waxed, buffed, then loaded the books. Had no problems with
marring nor damage to paint. Patience is a virtue. Fasten the top of
the bookcase to the wall if you have children or live in earthquake
country.
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:20:58 -0700, Kim Whitmyre
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> Hello all,
>> I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
>> the proper paint for them.
>> Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
>> paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
>> a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
>> sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
>> the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
>> paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
>> sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>>
>> What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
>> harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>>
>>
>Alkyd enamels and undercoats are the preferred choice for furniture and
>built-ins. They are thinned with mineral spirits. They cure to a hard
>finish. They also lay on much better than any water-based latex. .
>.Meaning you get a much better finish with no tool marks. Personally, I
>would never use anything else for furniture or built-ins. IMHO.
>
>Kim
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:20:58 -0700, Kim Whitmyre
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> Hello all,
>> I'm building some book cases that wil be painted and would like to know
>> the proper paint for them.
>> Latex tends to remain "sticky" or soft for a long time. That is the
>> paint is dry but books and papers tend to stick to it if left on it for
>> a while. Eventually the surface will cure to the point were it no longer
>> sticky but it takes a long time. I have built some built in cabinets for
>> the living room that I painted with latex and it took forever for the
>> paint to cure to the point were the entertainment stuff stopped
>> sticking. The paint is all new in the can so age is not the problem.
>>
>> What I would like advice on what is a better paint to use that will cure
>> harder faster and not tend to have books and such stick to it.
>>
>>
>Alkyd enamels and undercoats are the preferred choice for furniture and
>built-ins. They are thinned with mineral spirits. They cure to a hard
>finish. They also lay on much better than any water-based latex. .
>.Meaning you get a much better finish with no tool marks. Personally, I
>would never use anything else for furniture or built-ins. IMHO.
My experience is that alkyd enamels are the best product for
bookshelves, but they require a fairly good period of curing to
prevent sticking. I usually allow at least 2-3 weeks before putting
any books on the shelves and have never had a problem.
Re. latex enamel, I have never had a problem with latex remaining
sticky unless the paint was very old. Fresh latex should be dry enough
to put books on inside a couple of days. If it takes longer something
is wrong.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com