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"srazor"

08/09/2004 7:41 PM

re: sHARPENED

What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the Vintage Saws web page) "more likely is the fact that they probably need sharpened". I see it on eBay too. I believe it should be "...they probably need TO BE sharpened."

Scot


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"gw"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 5:01 PM


"srazor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:tfJ%[email protected]...
> What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the
Vintage Saws web page) "more likely is the fact that they probably need
sharpened". I see it on eBay too. I believe it should be "...they probably
need TO BE sharpened."
>
> Scot

Or: "They prolly need sharpened"

I hate "prolly"

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to "gw" on 08/09/2004 5:01 PM

11/09/2004 6:40 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:32:52 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:40:14 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
>
>> hand, is brief to a fault and thus nearly faultless in it's wit.
>
>faultless in _its_ wit, dagnabit!


Der's for or fyve udders in dat post. wide ya pick on dat un?


Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

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Australopithecus scobis

in reply to "gw" on 08/09/2004 5:01 PM

11/09/2004 6:59 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:40:27 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
> Der's for or fyve udders in dat post. wide ya pick on dat un?

Brevity

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 1:01 PM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:41:13 GMT, "srazor" <[email protected]> wrote:

>What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the Vintage Saws web page) "more likely is the fact that they probably need sharpened". I see it on eBay too. I believe it should be "...they probably need TO BE sharpened."
>
>Scot

Fading memories of proper grammatical construction most likely. Yes, it
is somewhat annoying.

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

12/09/2004 5:24 PM

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:21:08 +0000, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>patriarch <<patriarch> wrote:
>>Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>><snip>
>>> (watson - who learned to love the spit infinitive by reading brother
>>> fowler, back when it still might have mattered)
>>
>>This term, the spit infinitive, was not a part of my education. Care to
>>elucidate?
>
>Grammar: an 'infinitive' is the verb form 'to {something}', as in 'to be'.
>
>To 'split' an infinitive is to insert a modifier _between_ the words that
>make up the verb. Sometimes one finds it necessary to brazenly split an
>infinitive, to convey the precise shade of meaning desired, although the
>process was strongly frowned-upon by strict grammarians.
>
>One of the better known examples:
> "Boldly to go..."
> "To go boldly..."
> "To boldly go ... where no man has gone before."
>
>In the general case, splitting the infinitive is considered to really be
>bad usage. (That sentence is a deliberate illustration of _why_ it is justly
>so considered. :) In comparatively rare cases, on the other hand, it
>does serve to convey a shade of meaning not available in the more 'formally
>correct' forms; see the usage of 'brazenly', above.
>


To be fair, Bob, I think he wanted to know about the "Spit"
infinitive.

(watson - who baldly goes and spits out infinitives with abandon.)



Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 5:41 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:

> probably not seen now until graduate
> school.

I doubt even grad students see Strunk & White these days. Certainly
J-School grads don't.

djb

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to Dave Balderstone on 11/09/2004 5:41 PM

11/09/2004 8:33 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Charlie Self
<[email protected]> wrote:

> He did know how to dig to get factual
> material, but he often couldn't assemble it so it made sense.

That's why editors were invented, n'est ce pas?

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to Dave Balderstone on 11/09/2004 5:41 PM

12/09/2004 12:16 AM

Dave Balderstone responds:

>In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> probably not seen now until graduate
>> school.
>
>I doubt even grad students see Strunk & White these days. Certainly
>J-School grads don't.

My second writer's job was for a guy who had graduated from J-School...but not
as a grad student. Just a BS. Still, my 3/4 of a degree in English lit put me
way ahead of him at various times. He did know how to dig to get factual
material, but he often couldn't assemble it so it made sense.

Of course, that was nearly 40 years ago, I finally completed the degree and Tim
went on to bigger and better things working in PR for Aetna Insurance.

Charlie Self
"Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and
hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Dave Balderstone on 11/09/2004 5:41 PM

12/09/2004 5:58 PM

On 12 Sep 2004 00:16:33 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
calmly ranted:

>Dave Balderstone responds:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> probably not seen now until graduate
>>> school.
>>
>>I doubt even grad students see Strunk & White these days. Certainly
>>J-School grads don't.
>
>My second writer's job was for a guy who had graduated from J-School

Um, who was your first writer and what was his job, Charlie? <g>
("...second writing job", perhaps?) <parry, riposte, thrust>


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in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 5:22 PM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:41:13 GMT, "srazor" <[email protected]> wrote:

>What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the Vintage Saws web page) "more likely is the fact that they probably need sharpened". I see it on eBay too. I believe it should be "...they probably need TO BE sharpened."
>
>Scot


I had it explained to me that this is a pennsylvania dutch (IIRC)
grammatical structure, probably carried over from some obscure dialect
of german...

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 1:31 PM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:38:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Strunk and White is God.

Not in England it isn't.

--
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pc

"patrick conroy"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 5:11 PM


"srazor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:tfJ%[email protected]...
>
>
> What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the
Vintage Saws web page) "more likely

Just like wood, language is dynamic and is in motion.
Just like wood, if you try to inhibit the expansion/contraction cycle, it'll
crack.

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 10:36 PM

Australopithecus scobis wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:40:06 +0000, wrote:
>
>
>>This term, the spit infinitive, was not a part of my education. Care to
>>elucidate?
>
>
> To <boldly> go...'to go' boldly
>
patooie.

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 2:38 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
>
> I hate "prolly"
>
I hate "orientated" :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to Larry Blanchard on 08/09/2004 2:38 PM

11/09/2004 7:38 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:41:28 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> probably not seen now until graduate
>> school.
>
>I doubt even grad students see Strunk & White these days. Certainly
>J-School grads don't.
>

Seems to be true across the board. Even professional magazines, for
example, Aviation Week, in addition to injecting editorial commentary into
some news stories, is also declining in terms of grammatical quality.


>djb

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 9:13 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> >
> > Irregardless :-)
>
> lacksadaisical
>
A little off the topic, but I took a survey once on colloqialisms. I
wrote the college professor in charge of it and told him he'd forgotten
a major one.

Where I come from (Kentucky) te word "wash" has a "r" in it :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

10/09/2004 2:20 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> PS: even worse, it's proper usage to put the punctuation inside the quote
> marks, though they punctuate the sentence and not the quote....
>
Smiley face and all?

And unless my memory is failing, that practice is new since those long
ago days when I went to school :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 6:29 PM

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:46:55 -0400, "Gary W" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Don't get me started...
>
>I'm coming to the picnic with yuns. What should I bring with?
>

That's right, the correct grammatical construct is, "I'm coming to the
picnic with ya'll. What ya'll want me to bring?


>"Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Pittsburghers do talk funny, don't they? "Yins"?
>>
>> --
>> Kevin
>> -=#=-
>>
>> "Dave W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> My wife is from Pittsburgh and uses that construction all the time.
>>> Drives
>>> me nuts!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 6:15 PM

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:13:28 -0400, "Dave W" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>My wife is from Pittsburgh and uses that construction all the time. Drives
>me nuts!
>

[straying further from the topic]: My wife's family is from MO -- they
have a hard time with the difference between "idea" and "ideal", as in "Tim
had a great ideal, we're going to have a picnic on Saturday!" or, the
converse, "Fastening that board that way is idea!"

Just one of those things that makes one cringe.


>

cb

charlie b

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 4:25 PM

Add the British "He was in hospital." Seems "the" and "a"
are no longer used in England.

The incomplete "Can I go with?"

The southern favorite "I'm fixin' to ..."

And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."

charlie b

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to charlie b on 08/09/2004 4:25 PM

09/09/2004 12:05 AM

charlie b adds:

>Add the British "He was in hospital." Seems "the" and "a"
>are no longer used in England.
>
>The incomplete "Can I go with?"
>
>The southern favorite "I'm fixin' to ..."
>
>And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
>as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."

That last one has been around for at least a decade and a half. I recall being
pissed at the youngest kid's constant use of it during her high school daze.

How about a really great one, "It's so fun."

Charlie Self
"Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and
hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to charlie b on 08/09/2004 4:25 PM

08/09/2004 6:17 PM

On 09 Sep 2004 00:05:46 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:

...
>How about a really great one, "It's so fun."

? What's wrong with that one? You're just pronouncing it wrong, it's
really, "It's sooo fun"

:=)


>
>Charlie Self
>"Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and
>hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill

cb

charlie b

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 9:25 PM

Andy Dingley wrote:

>
> Would you be "in jail", or "in the jail" / "in a jail" ?
> Brits find themselves "in hospital" or "in gaol". It's an adjectival
> state, not a location. The reason for being there is far more
> important than where you're doing it.

He's hospitalized. He's been hospitalized
He is jailed. He's been jailed.

English!

charlie b

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 5:28 AM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:20:53 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:38:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
>calmly ranted:

>>Strunk and White is God.
>
>Are.

Since it is the common name for a book it is singular. Think about
it.
>
>_Don't_ make me draw my Webbie's Hernia Edition...


I'll see your hernia and raise you an OED.




Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

10/09/2004 8:38 PM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:19:47 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:


>..._Don't_ make me draw my Fowler...


Strunk and White is God.



Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

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Andy Dingley

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 10:47 PM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:41:13 GMT, "srazor" <[email protected]> wrote:

>What is with people using the word "sharpened"

Common in Ireland, and some parts of the USA.
--
Smert' spamionam

MB

Michael Baglio

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 3:24 AM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:38:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Strunk and White is God.

On an entirely unrelated note, I owe you a word of thanks, since I
swiped one o' your ideas.

Shellac on cast iron. Who'da thought? Awesome.
"It needs waxed less often."

Michael Baglio

TV

Tom Veatch

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 5:24 AM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:19:47 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:


>
>Commas and periods go inside the quotation marks.
<snip>

Now, that's pure dumb, if you ask me.

Which nobody did.

And my opinion, like everyone else's, doesn't have to be based on objective
fact.

And frequently isn't.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 5:55 PM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:25:09 -0700, charlie b <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:

>Add the British "He was in hospital." Seems "the" and "a"
>are no longer used in England.
>
>The incomplete "Can I go with?"
>
>The southern favorite "I'm fixin' to ..."
>
>And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
>as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."

"When you go there, bring it with you." vs. "take"


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[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

13/09/2004 1:20 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:21:08 +0000, [email protected]
>(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>patriarch <<patriarch> wrote:
>>>Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>> (watson - who learned to love the spit infinitive by reading brother
>>>> fowler, back when it still might have mattered)
>>>
>>>This term, the spit infinitive, was not a part of my education. Care to
>>>elucidate?
>>
>>Grammar: an 'infinitive' is the verb form 'to {something}', as in 'to be'.
>>
>>To 'split' an infinitive is to insert a modifier _between_ the words that
>>make up the verb. Sometimes one finds it necessary to brazenly split an
>>infinitive, to convey the precise shade of meaning desired, although the
>>process was strongly frowned-upon by strict grammarians.
>>
>>One of the better known examples:
>> "Boldly to go..."
>> "To go boldly..."
>> "To boldly go ... where no man has gone before."
>>
>>In the general case, splitting the infinitive is considered to really be
>>bad usage. (That sentence is a deliberate illustration of _why_ it is justly
>>so considered. :) In comparatively rare cases, on the other hand, it
>>does serve to convey a shade of meaning not available in the more 'formally
>>correct' forms; see the usage of 'brazenly', above.
>>
>
>
>To be fair, Bob, I think he wanted to know about the "Spit"
>infinitive.

D'oh. Well that, obviously, is 'to spit'.

Guess he never chawwed bacco. <snigger>

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 3:40 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:31:12 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:38:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Strunk and White is God.
>
>Not in England it isn't.

Yeah, youse guys is pretty much stuck with Fowler's. The closest we
have to that is the Chicago Manual of Style but it suffers from the
same disease as Fowler - a lack of wit.

I base this charge on the definition of a fairly good English stylist,
who said, "...brevity is the soul of wit..." and thus Fowle'sr (and
it's colonial cousin, The Chicago Manual) must be lacking in wit, as
they are obviously lacking in brevity.

The Elements of Style ( by messrs Strunk and White) on the other
hand, is brief to a fault and thus nearly faultless in it's wit.


(watson - who learned to love the spit infinitive by reading brother
fowler, back when it still might have mattered)




Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

KS

"Kevin Singleton"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 8:11 AM

Just bring the Yings, annat! Go, Stillers!

I always get a double-take when I talk to people, here. Some have been so
bold as to suggest the _I_ have an accent!

--
Kevin
-=#=-

"Gary W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Don't get me started...
>
> I'm coming to the picnic with yuns. What should I bring with?

DW

"Dave W"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 6:13 PM

My wife is from Pittsburgh and uses that construction all the time. Drives
me nuts!


Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 5:02 PM

"Tom Watson" wrote in message

> The Elements of Style ( by messrs Strunk and White) on the other
> hand, is brief to a fault and thus nearly faultless in it's wit.

Once a requirement for HS English, probably not seen now until graduate
school.

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Last update: 7/10/04

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Daniel

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 8:00 PM

srazor wrote:
> What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the Vintage Saws web page) "more likely is the fact that they probably need sharpened". I see it on eBay too. I believe it should be "...they probably need TO BE sharpened."

Yup. Or "need sharpening".

GG

Godzilla

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 6:26 PM

gw wrote:

> Or: "They prolly need sharpened"
>
> I hate "prolly"

It has its place - as in "Prolly wanna cracker?"

;-)

Godzilla

KS

"Kevin Singleton"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 5:01 PM

It may be a regional colloquialism. They say things like that, here, in
Pennsylvania. I never heard it in Texas.

--
Kevin
-=#=-

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:41:13 GMT, "srazor" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the
>>Vintage Saws web page) "more likely is the fact that they probably need
>>sharpened". I see it on eBay too. I believe it should be "...they
>>probably need TO BE sharpened."
>>
>>Scot
>
> Fading memories of proper grammatical construction most likely. Yes, it
> is somewhat annoying.
>

GW

"Gary W"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 8:46 PM

Don't get me started...

I'm coming to the picnic with yuns. What should I bring with?

"Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pittsburghers do talk funny, don't they? "Yins"?
>
> --
> Kevin
> -=#=-
>
> "Dave W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> My wife is from Pittsburgh and uses that construction all the time.
>> Drives
>> me nuts!
>>
>>
>>
>
>

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 9:40 PM

Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>
> (watson - who learned to love the spit infinitive by reading brother
> fowler, back when it still might have mattered)

This term, the spit infinitive, was not a part of my education. Care to
elucidate?

Patriarch

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 3:41 PM

charlie b wrote:

> Add the British "He was in hospital." Seems "the" and "a"
> are no longer used in England.
>
> The incomplete "Can I go with?"
>
> The southern favorite "I'm fixin' to ..."
>
> And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
> as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."
>
> charlie b

A couple of my learned kids used "all" in place of "said" or some other
appropriate past tense verb, as in "He's all, 'Dude, whazzup?'"
mahalo,
jo4hn (who didn't know that people thought the characters in "Fargo"
spoke with an accent)

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to jo4hn on 09/09/2004 3:41 PM

09/09/2004 4:13 PM

jo4hn responds:

>> And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
>> as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."
>>
>> charlie b
>
>A couple of my learned kids used "all" in place of "said" or some other
>appropriate past tense verb, as in "He's all, 'Dude, whazzup?'"
> mahalo,
> jo4hn (who didn't know that people thought the characters in "Fargo"
>spoke with an accent)
>

I been knowing him forever.

By the way, what's Fargo? Used to be a western series (books, not idjit box) by
that name, but it stopped years ago, AFAIK.

Charlie Self
"Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and
hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill

jj

jo4hn

in reply to jo4hn on 09/09/2004 3:41 PM

09/09/2004 5:13 PM

Charlie Self wrote:

> jo4hn responds:
>
>
>>>And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
>>>as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."
>>>
>>>charlie b
>>
>>A couple of my learned kids used "all" in place of "said" or some other
>>appropriate past tense verb, as in "He's all, 'Dude, whazzup?'"
>> mahalo,
>> jo4hn (who didn't know that people thought the characters in "Fargo"
>>spoke with an accent)
>>
>
>
> I been knowing him forever.
>
> By the way, what's Fargo? Used to be a western series (books, not idjit box) by
> that name, but it stopped years ago, AFAIK.

A mystery film that came out a few years ago. Nominated for an Academy
Award or two. Folks there spoke as I probably did before moving to
Californy, ya know? "Ya know?" is the north central US equivalent to
"eh?"
yew betcha,
ya4hn (who can do Ole wid da best of 'em dere, you behhtcha)

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

12/09/2004 9:21 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
patriarch <<patriarch> wrote:
>Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
><snip>
>> (watson - who learned to love the spit infinitive by reading brother
>> fowler, back when it still might have mattered)
>
>This term, the spit infinitive, was not a part of my education. Care to
>elucidate?

Grammar: an 'infinitive' is the verb form 'to {something}', as in 'to be'.

To 'split' an infinitive is to insert a modifier _between_ the words that
make up the verb. Sometimes one finds it necessary to brazenly split an
infinitive, to convey the precise shade of meaning desired, although the
process was strongly frowned-upon by strict grammarians.

One of the better known examples:
"Boldly to go..."
"To go boldly..."
"To boldly go ... where no man has gone before."

In the general case, splitting the infinitive is considered to really be
bad usage. (That sentence is a deliberate illustration of _why_ it is justly
so considered. :) In comparatively rare cases, on the other hand, it
does serve to convey a shade of meaning not available in the more 'formally
correct' forms; see the usage of 'brazenly', above.

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 6:18 PM

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:01:47 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It may be a regional colloquialism. They say things like that, here, in
>Pennsylvania. I never heard it in Texas.

Yup, here in Pennsyltucky we also have "cricks" instead of creeks.

In Philadelphia there are "shtreets" where others have streets.

One of the "shtreets" is spelled Passyunk but is invariably pronounced
"Passhyunk".

Over to Jersey they gots a town spelled Buena, which the locals
pronounce as "Byoona" and I'm told that when folks stop in "Byoona"
and ask where Buena is - people just say, "Never heard of it".

It is often the case that I will ask for Drawings but will be given
"Drawlings".

This reminds me of the time that I was listening to a Richard Pryor
routine in which the father of a child who was going to leave the
house without permission was told, "Don't nobody said you could go no
place".

This made me think of how such a sentence might be diagrammed...



...and then I passed out.




Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

pc

"patrick conroy"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 11:11 PM


"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ZQ_%[email protected]...

> jo4hn (who didn't know that people thought the characters in "Fargo"
> spoke with an accent)

Grew up near them nek-o-woods. Loved "Fargo".
Cemented my respect for Bill Macy too.

He's a turner, dontch'a know?
Hmm - I'm thirsty. I'm off to the bubbler...

BB

Bruce Barnett

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 9:44 AM

Michael Baglio <[email protected]> writes:

> And from out of nowhere, (probably California), comes "way."

AFAIK Mike Meyers, from SNL. (Wayne and Gart)

--
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$500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract.

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 2:22 PM

patrick conroy wrote:

>
> "Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Pennsylvania. I never heard it in Texas.
>
> Say I 'member that too.
>
> Want a Coke? OK, what kind?

Of course with Vanilla Coke, Diet Coke, Coke Classic, Caffeine Free Diet
Coke, Caffiene-free Coke Classic, Cherry Coke, Diet Coke with Lemon, Diet
Coke with Lime, Diet Cherry Coke, and Coke 2, it's a legitimate question
these days.

> (Still "Jonesin'" for the free hot rolls at a good BBQ joint.)

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 8:47 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:31:12 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:38:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Strunk and White is God.
>
>Not in England it isn't.

Yabbut, what would THEY know?


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"patrick conroy"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 11:11 PM


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> patrick conroy wrote:
>
> >
> > Want a Coke? OK, what kind?
>
> Of course with Vanilla Coke, Diet Coke, Coke Classic, Caffeine Free Diet
> Coke, Caffiene-free Coke Classic, Cherry Coke, Diet Coke with Lemon, Diet
> Coke with Lime, Diet Cherry Coke, and Coke 2, it's a legitimate question
> these days.

'Cept 9 out'a 10 times - it's Dr. Pepper. :)

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 11:52 AM

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:11:25 GMT, "patrick conroy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Pennsylvania. I never heard it in Texas.
>
>Say I 'member that too.
>
>Want a Coke? OK, what kind?
>
>(Still "Jonesin'" for the free hot rolls at a good BBQ joint.)
>


Same here in AZ, I really miss Spring Creek BBQ and the "bread girl" who
would pass out those fresh hot rolls as soon as they came out of the oven.
mmm mmm good!

KS

"Kevin Singleton"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 6:43 PM

Pittsburghers do talk funny, don't they? "Yins"?

--
Kevin
-=#=-

"Dave W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My wife is from Pittsburgh and uses that construction all the time.
> Drives
> me nuts!
>
>
>

dD

[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to "Kevin Singleton" on 08/09/2004 6:43 PM

09/09/2004 12:47 AM

>Pittsburghers do talk funny, don't they? "Yins"?
>
>--
>Kevin
>-=#=-
>
>"Dave W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> My wife is from Pittsburgh and uses that construction all the time.
>> Drives
>> me nuts!

Yunz need ta get over it.

Dave Hall
a West Virginian who has lived in Pittsburgh 20 years too long

pc

"patrick conroy"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 5:11 PM


"Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Pennsylvania. I never heard it in Texas.

Say I 'member that too.

Want a Coke? OK, what kind?

(Still "Jonesin'" for the free hot rolls at a good BBQ joint.)

GW

"Gary W"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 8:48 PM


"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>>
>> I hate "prolly"
>>
> I hate "orientated" :-).
>
> --
> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Irregardless :-)

MB

Michael Baglio

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 2:33 AM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:25:09 -0700, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:

>And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
>as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."

And from out of nowhere, (probably California), comes "way."

We can now drop "much", "very", "too", "exceedingly", and several
other words from the English language because (I swear I'm not making
this up), even NPR reporters are starting to use it in their speech.

Better, much better, best.
Not better, mo' better, and way better.

Is mo' better better than way better? Is mo' better _way_ better than
way better or just better?

(Obww) Is applying Varnish over shellac over oil better than a
varnish / oil mix, or is it way better?

<sigh>
Between "near" and "farthest" there isn't a point that's "way far."
At least there wasn't until an NPR reporter used that phrase to
describe distance recently. I nearly wrecked the car, 'cause I was
way shocked.

Michael "I'm way sexy for my shirt" Baglio

Jj

James

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 1:49 AM

Stay where you is, till I get where your at. ya gotta luv dilec from a
provance that has places like, Come By Chance and Vergin Cove. NFLd.

No, I'm not from there but they are a great people.

James
www.cryscom.nb.ca

Larry Jaques wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:25:09 -0700, charlie b <[email protected]>
> calmly ranted:
>
>
>>Add the British "He was in hospital." Seems "the" and "a"
>>are no longer used in England.
>>
>>The incomplete "Can I go with?"
>>
>>The southern favorite "I'm fixin' to ..."
>>
>>And my current favorite - "goes/go" in place of "said"
>>as in "Dude - and then he goes 'Oh yeah". And I go 'Yeah!'."
>
>
> "When you go there, bring it with you." vs. "take"
>
>

JW

Joe Wells

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 11:07 PM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:15:25 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:13:28 -0400, "Dave W" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>My wife is from Pittsburgh and uses that construction all the time.
>>Drives me nuts!
>>
>>
> [straying further from the topic]: My wife's family is from MO -- they
> have a hard time with the difference between "idea" and "ideal", as in
> "Tim had a great ideal, we're going to have a picnic on Saturday!" or,
> the converse, "Fastening that board that way is idea!"
>
> Just one of those things that makes one cringe.

Hey now, that isn't really a Missouri thing. I've been around one or two
people who get that wrong, certainly not everyone around here. On the
other hand, SWMBO insists on shoehorning an R into Washington. Drives me
crazy every time.

--
Joe Wells

JW

Joe Wells

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 11:11 PM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:48:55 -0400, Gary W wrote:

>
> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>> I hate "prolly"
>>>
>> I hate "orientated" :-).
>>
>> --
>> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
>
> Irregardless :-)

lacksadaisical

--
Joe Wells

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to Joe Wells on 08/09/2004 11:11 PM

11/09/2004 8:02 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:59:02 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:40:27 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
>> Der's for or fyve udders in dat post. wide ya pick on dat un?
>
>Brevity
>

Brilliant!



Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

As

Australopithecus scobis

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

10/09/2004 7:19 PM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:20:51 -0700, Larry Blanchard wrote:

> And unless my memory is failing, that practice is new since those long
> ago days when I went to school

Commas and periods go inside the quotation marks. Semicolons and colons go
outside the closing quotation mark. Question marks and exclamation marks
go inside the quote if they apply to the quote; otherwise, outside.

--Warriner's _English Grammar and Composition_

..._Don't_ make me draw my Fowler...


--
"Keep your ass behind you"

As

Australopithecus scobis

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 5:31 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:40:06 +0000, wrote:

> This term, the spit infinitive, was not a part of my education. Care to
> elucidate?

To <boldly> go...'to go' boldly

--
"Keep your ass behind you"

As

Australopithecus scobis

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

11/09/2004 5:32 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:40:14 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:

> hand, is brief to a fault and thus nearly faultless in it's wit.

faultless in _its_ wit, dagnabit!
--
"Keep your ass behind you"

KS

"Kevin Singleton"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

10/09/2004 7:17 AM

Ahh. Dr. Pepper. I look for it, but it's hard to come by. Lotsa Pepsi,
though. Ugh.

--
Kevin
-=#=-

"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> 'Cept 9 out'a 10 times - it's Dr. Pepper. :)
>
>

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

10/09/2004 8:20 PM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:38:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:19:47 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>..._Don't_ make me draw my Fowler...
>
>
>Strunk and White is God.

Are.

_Don't_ make me draw my Webbie's Hernia Edition...


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i can live without the necessities * 2 Tee collections online
-------------------------------------------------------------

BS

"Bill Stock"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

08/09/2004 11:02 PM


"srazor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:tfJ%[email protected]...
> What is with people using the word "sharpened" in this manner (from the
Vintage Saws web page) "more likely is the fact that they probably need
sharpened". I see it on eBay too. I believe it should be "...they probably
need TO BE sharpened."
>
> Scot

LOL, I've got a bad habit of saying "it needs fixed". Really bugs an anal
retentive city slicker friend of mine. He never should have told me. :)


n

/..

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

10/09/2004 4:44 PM

By Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:11:13 -0500, Joe Wells <[email protected]>
decided to post "Re: sHARPENED" to rec.woodworking:

>On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:48:55 -0400, Gary W wrote:
>
>>
>> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hate "prolly"
>>>>
>>> I hate "orientated" :-).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
>>
>> Irregardless :-)
>
>lacksadaisical

Irregardless of the lackadaisical sharpened, I've prolly orientated
MYOWNSELF, I mean it's "ALL I KNOW," to saying "WALLA."

Got that?

HTH,

/ts

PS: even worse, it's proper usage to put the punctuation inside the quote
marks, though they punctuate the sentence and not the quote....

KS

"Kevin Singleton"

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 1:14 PM

I'd settle for the good BBQ!

--
Kevin
-=#=-

"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Pennsylvania. I never heard it in Texas.
>
> Say I 'member that too.
>
> Want a Coke? OK, what kind?
>
> (Still "Jonesin'" for the free hot rolls at a good BBQ joint.)
>
>

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to "srazor" on 08/09/2004 7:41 PM

09/09/2004 2:19 AM

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:25:09 -0700, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Add the British "He was in hospital." Seems "the" and "a"
>are no longer used in England.

Would you be "in jail", or "in the jail" / "in a jail" ?
Brits find themselves "in hospital" or "in gaol". It's an adjectival
state, not a location. The reason for being there is far more
important than where you're doing it.


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