Rockler's

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:04:07 -0500, "no(SPAM)vasys"
<"no(SPAM)vasys"@adelphia.net> scribbled:
>
>Hey, thanks Luigi. I wasn't aware that Lee Valley had a store in
>Burlington. That's only about 70 miles away. It looks like it's time
>to organize an outing for the ol' "Cyber-Woodies".

The last time I harassed you about it, I assumed you knew.

Don't sample too much vino along the way.

Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:12:15 -0600, the inscrutable Patriarch
<[email protected]> spake:

>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in

>> Ah, being a bachelor, I hadn't considered the "Wasting half a day
>> while wifey shops." counterpoint. You're a smart man to have used it
>> the way you did vs. moseying around at the quilt show for half a
>> decade (in "feel" time.) What did the demo cost to watch?
>
>Just the time I spent.

OK, estimation of Rockler is now modified. They do, after all, have 1
or more socially redeeming qualities.


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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:19:14 -0800, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:17:26 -0800, the inscrutable Luigi Zanasi
><[email protected]> spake:
>
>>Bunch of whiners, if you ask me. Jack is less than a couple of hours
>>away from the Burlington store, while Jaques is only a four or five
>>hour drive from the Vancouver store.
>
>Yeah, at 120mph, MAYBE. That's 500 miles to Seattle from here, WeeGee.
>Vancouver, WA, USA may be only a 6 hour drive, but BC is a bit
>farther. Hmmm, time to get a passport and check out the LVT store,
>huh?
>

Don't need a passport Larry, just a drivers license and the willingness
to tell the nice Canadian gate guard, at least 5 different ways and times,
that you don't have any guns or ammunition in your vehicle. Anything else
is, apparently, fair game.

>
> ---
>After they make styrofoam, what do they ship it in? --Steven Wright
> http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development



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The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:55:33 -0800, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:00:23 -0600, the inscrutable Patriarch
><[email protected]> spake:
>
>>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>
>>> Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start.
>>> Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.
>>
>>but it's good for a long time, and works, even when you want to go to other
>>foreign countries. Like Texas, maybe?
>
>Yabbut, who'd EVER want to go _there_? They've got wild Jummies
>running loose down there!

Not anymore, or so I've heard. Apparently he ran off to *yankee* country
-- probably get him exiled from the great state of Texas.




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The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:18:13 -0800, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:03 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
><[email protected]> spake:
>
>> Don't need a passport Larry, just a drivers license and the willingness
>>to tell the nice Canadian gate guard, at least 5 different ways and times,
>>that you don't have any guns or ammunition in your vehicle. Anything else
>>is, apparently, fair game.
>
>I've heard that a passport makes things go a lot smoother and quicker
>in a pinch. I'd hate to visit the GWN and not be able to re-enter the
>USA in time for winter. Egad, the horrors! I'd have to go up farther
>and camp out in front of WeeGee's wood stove.

Ya gotta point. :-) Yep, don't want to get stuck up there any time
after what, August?


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The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
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WillR wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:54:45 -0500, the inscrutable WillR

> >
> > OK, I'll have to make sure I have a copy of the BC with me in the
> > truck.
>
> Don't think I said copy... Best -- probably required -- to have
original
> I believe...
>
> Copy as in "official copy" would be safest. Notarized might be
accepted.
>

Uh, yeah. I think the Original stays on file unless the state in
question has moved to all electronic or microfilm/microfiche record
keeping and destroyed the original to save space.

What people get is an official copy, with seal (the bumpy stuff) on it
which most folks call 'origininal'. That is, they get that if they
are lucky or make a fuss and pay extra because a lot of states
these days send a printout from their electronic data base instead
of even a copy of the birth certificate.

If you want a copy of the real thing you should ask for a
'certified photostatic copy of the original birth certificate'.

The first time I went to Canada from the US and back I had NO
identifying documents at all, though I may have had a copy of
my birth certificate. I was in the eighth grade and traveling
with my class. At that time I had no identifying documents to
take with me. Note that a BC without a footprint attached
does not identify anyone, it only documents certain facts about
a person who may or may not be the bearer of that document at
the time it is inspected.

--

FF

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:54:45 -0500, the inscrutable WillR
> <[email protected]> spake:
>
>
>>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>>Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start.
>>>Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.
>>
>>Just a quick note.
>>
>>A drivers license (DL) is not sufficient to re-enter either country. --
>>Unless you are not checked (lucky). A birth certificate speeds things
>>along nicely. Other picture ID is useful -- but not considered proof...
>
>
> OK, I'll have to make sure I have a copy of the BC with me in the
> truck.

Don't think I said copy... Best -- probably required -- to have original
I believe...

Copy as in "official copy" would be safest. Notarized might be accepted.

Someone else pointed you at the "official site" Not sure if they specify
on this issue. Checked -- Not specified... Assume worst case -
government -- remember? LOL

One INS official checked mine once -- then grunted that at least _I_ was
smart enough to bring the original. Gather he didn't get any nooky that
morning and was making a point of it. I kept it zipped and nodded.
Didn't even smile. He looked -- waited to see if I would comment and
passed me through. For me that was the worst case...


>>If you cross the border have your DL AND your Birth Certificate. That
>>generally works and only occasionally do you get someone having a bad
>>day and wanting to make a point. Also -- have your story ready (about
>>reason for visit, length of stay) for instant recital -- hesitation can
>>get you a trip to the inspection lane. (If you give the story quickly
>>without need for questions you usually get a smile, a wave and the
>>comment: "Done this before eh/huh?" -- at least at Blaine.)
>
>
> "Can you direct me to the Lee Valley woodworker's store?"
>

Very bad joke snipped... Curious tho' did he place you? He asks innocently.


http://www.leevalley.com/home/page.aspx?c=1&p=47715

Best way is Douglas Crossing --

Follow main hwy to Annacis Island Cutoff - once over river take exit
that goes (effectively left to Vancouver. Not New Westminster)

North on Knight street.

During Daylight hours there was a tourist booth just north of border on
right.


There is lots to see and do besides Lee Valley. Nice City.

When you are ready to go -- just get help from the locals.

Oh -- and don't feed the bears... Grizzlies can be mean suckers.




--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:54:45 -0500, the inscrutable WillR
<[email protected]> spake:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start.
>> Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.
>
>Just a quick note.
>
>A drivers license (DL) is not sufficient to re-enter either country. --
>Unless you are not checked (lucky). A birth certificate speeds things
>along nicely. Other picture ID is useful -- but not considered proof...

OK, I'll have to make sure I have a copy of the BC with me in the
truck.


>If you cross the border have your DL AND your Birth Certificate. That
>generally works and only occasionally do you get someone having a bad
>day and wanting to make a point. Also -- have your story ready (about
>reason for visit, length of stay) for instant recital -- hesitation can
>get you a trip to the inspection lane. (If you give the story quickly
>without need for questions you usually get a smile, a wave and the
>comment: "Done this before eh/huh?" -- at least at Blaine.)

"Can you direct me to the Lee Valley woodworker's store?"


>Course Amurriccans have these funny accents and say ruf instead of rooof
>-- which helps place them LOL -- and speeds re-entry nicely.

I'm good, then. ;)


>Carrying tobacco or Alcohol either way generally means having to fill
>out forms (and causes wallet softening) which causes increased scrutiny
>-- which is really irritating if indeed you are clean.

That's OK. I'm an ex-smoker and ex-drunk.


>Clean car, conservative dress and a polite demeanor usually sort out
>most potential problems at the B.C./Washington border very quickly.

Well, the interior of my truck is clean and the bed is lined, but the
paint is 14 years old and a bit chippy. How are they about cracked
windshields? A piece of gravel split mine in half vertically, but it's
not much of a vision limiter.


>Never had a problem there -- except once when a buddy insisted on using
>his dirty car, dressing like a hippy and smoking hand-rolled cigs -- The
>US officials were polite -- but they did waste an hour of their time and
>ours. All he said was "you were right". And lit up another HR Cig.
>
>The he wanted to smuggle wine and booze back into Canada... Because of
>our appearance I just insisted we pay the C&D -- which he did -- wisely IMO.

Don't ever ride with HIM again. I've heard that secondary searches
can get downright _intimate_! Which brings up the joke:

A game warden came upon a duck hunter who had bagged 3 ducks and
decided to 'enforce the laws pending.' He stopped the hunter, flashed
his badge and said, 'Looks like you've had a pretty good day. Mind if
I inspect your kill?'

The hunter shrugged and handed the ducks to the warden. The warden
took one of the ducks, inserted his finger into the duck's rectum,
pulled it out, sniffed it, and said, 'This here's a Washington state
duck. Do you have a Washington state hunting license?'

The hunter pulled out his wallet and calmly showed the warden a
Washington state hunting license. The warden took a second duck,
inserted his finger in the bird's rectum, pulled it out, sniffed it,
and said, 'This here's an Idaho duck. Do you have an Idaho state
hunting license?'

The hunter, a bit put out, produced an Idaho state hunting license.
The warden took a third duck, conducted the same finger test, and
said, 'This here's an Oregon state duck. Do you have an Oregon state
hunting license?'

Once again, only this time more aggravated, the hunter produced the
appropriate license. The warden, a little miffed at having struck out,
handed the ducks back to the hunter and said, 'You've got all of these
licenses, just where the hell are you from?'

The hunter dropped his pants, bent over, and said 'You're so smart,
YOU tell ME!'


--

People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but
most of the time they'll pick themselves up and carry on.
--anon

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:00:23 -0600, the inscrutable Patriarch
<[email protected]> spake:

>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in

>> Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start.
>> Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.
>
>but it's good for a long time, and works, even when you want to go to other
>foreign countries. Like Texas, maybe?

Yabbut, who'd EVER want to go _there_? They've got wild Jummies
running loose down there!


--

People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but
most of the time they'll pick themselves up and carry on.
--anon

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:03 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> spake:

> Don't need a passport Larry, just a drivers license and the willingness
>to tell the nice Canadian gate guard, at least 5 different ways and times,
>that you don't have any guns or ammunition in your vehicle. Anything else
>is, apparently, fair game.

Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start.
Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.


--

People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but
most of the time they'll pick themselves up and carry on.
--anon

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

> I've heard that a passport makes things go a lot smoother and quicker
> in a pinch. I'd hate to visit the GWN and not be able to re-enter the
> USA in time for winter. Egad, the horrors! I'd have to go up farther
> and camp out in front of WeeGee's wood stove.

From the Canadian Tourism Commission
<http://www.travelcanada.ca/tc_redesign/app/en/us/travelArticle.do?catId
=51>

"Visitor Requirements: U.S. Residents
Although a passport is the ideal identification, you do not require a
passport or visa to enter Canada. Just make sure you carry
identification to establish your citizenship such as a Birth
Certificate and least one ID card with photo. If you are a naturalized
U.S. citizen, you should carry this certificate. Permanent residents of
the U.S.A. must bring their "Green Card".

Although it is rare, immigration officials may prevent the entry of
visitors:
1. who appear to pose a health risk.
2. those they doubt will be able to support themselves and their
dependents in Canada.
3. whose willingness and means to return to the U.S. is in doubt.

As well, those admissible to Canada must not have a criminal record.
This includes any convictions for driving while intoxicated.

If you have questions about your admissibility to enter Canada, contact
your nearest Canadian Embassy or Consulate for consultation."

--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows

Larry Jaques wrote:


>
> I've heard that a passport makes things go a lot smoother and quicker
> in a pinch. I'd hate to visit the GWN and not be able to re-enter the
> USA in time for winter. Egad, the horrors! I'd have to go up farther
> and camp out in front of WeeGee's wood stove.
>

I've almost never had a hard time getting through customs other than
about a two hour wait in line on a nice day.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
(Remove -SPAM- to send email)

Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:03 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
> <[email protected]> spake:
>
>> Don't need a passport Larry, just a drivers license and the
>> willingness
>>to tell the nice Canadian gate guard, at least 5 different ways and
>>times, that you don't have any guns or ammunition in your vehicle.
>>Anything else is, apparently, fair game.
>
> Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start.
> Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.
>
>

but it's good for a long time, and works, even when you want to go to other
foreign countries. Like Texas, maybe?

Patriarch,
remembering the advertising lines, pardners...

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:03 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> spake:

> Don't need a passport Larry, just a drivers license and the willingness
>to tell the nice Canadian gate guard, at least 5 different ways and times,
>that you don't have any guns or ammunition in your vehicle. Anything else
>is, apparently, fair game.

I've heard that a passport makes things go a lot smoother and quicker
in a pinch. I'd hate to visit the GWN and not be able to re-enter the
USA in time for winter. Egad, the horrors! I'd have to go up farther
and camp out in front of WeeGee's wood stove.


--

People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but
most of the time they'll pick themselves up and carry on.
--anon

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:03 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
> <[email protected]> spake:
>
>
>> Don't need a passport Larry, just a drivers license and the willingness
>>to tell the nice Canadian gate guard, at least 5 different ways and times,
>>that you don't have any guns or ammunition in your vehicle. Anything else
>>is, apparently, fair game.
>
>
> Hmmm, the passport process is no fun and costs $97 to start.
> Maybe I don't need one for a quick visit.
>
>

Just a quick note.

A drivers license (DL) is not sufficient to re-enter either country. --
Unless you are not checked (lucky). A birth certificate speeds things
along nicely. Other picture ID is useful -- but not considered proof...

If you cross the border have your DL AND your Birth Certificate. That
generally works and only occasionally do you get someone having a bad
day and wanting to make a point. Also -- have your story ready (about
reason for visit, length of stay) for instant recital -- hesitation can
get you a trip to the inspection lane. (If you give the story quickly
without need for questions you usually get a smile, a wave and the
comment: "Done this before eh/huh?" -- at least at Blaine.)

Course Amurriccans have these funny accents and say ruf instead of rooof
-- which helps place them LOL -- and speeds re-entry nicely.

Carrying tobacco or Alcohol either way generally means having to fill
out forms (and causes wallet softening) which causes increased scrutiny
-- which is really irritating if indeed you are clean.

Clean car, conservative dress and a polite demeanor usually sort out
most potential problems at the B.C./Washington border very quickly.
Never had a problem there -- except once when a buddy insisted on using
his dirty car, dressing like a hippy and smoking hand-rolled cigs -- The
US officials were polite -- but they did waste an hour of their time and
ours. All he said was "you were right". And lit up another HR Cig.

The he wanted to smuggle wine and booze back into Canada... Because of
our appearance I just insisted we pay the C&D -- which he did -- wisely IMO.

--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:43:30 -0500, the inscrutable WillR
<[email protected]> spake:

>>>A drivers license (DL) is not sufficient to re-enter either country. --
>>>Unless you are not checked (lucky). A birth certificate speeds things
>>>along nicely. Other picture ID is useful -- but not considered proof...
>>
>>
>> OK, I'll have to make sure I have a copy of the BC with me in the
>> truck.
>
>Don't think I said copy... Best -- probably required -- to have original
>I believe...
>
>Copy as in "official copy" would be safest. Notarized might be accepted.

>Someone else pointed you at the "official site" Not sure if they specify
>on this issue. Checked -- Not specified... Assume worst case -
>government -- remember? LOL

<sigh> They let illegals get drivers licenses on hearsay but to let
our own back into our country requires REAL documentation? Figures.


>One INS official checked mine once -- then grunted that at least _I_ was
>smart enough to bring the original. Gather he didn't get any nooky that
>morning and was making a point of it. I kept it zipped and nodded.
>Didn't even smile. He looked -- waited to see if I would comment and
>passed me through. For me that was the worst case...

Yup, quiet is the best way through customs. I'll never forget the look
on the inspector's face when I brought a couple pieces of freshly
decaying coral across the Mexican border. He quickly closed the
suitcase lid, pushed itat me, and had me move along QUICKLY. ;)

I was snorkeling around the edge of Pichilingue Bay and reached down
to pick up the broken pieces from the seabed. I couldn't reach 'em. I
then tried it with my fin and found I still couldn't reach. I then
dove down TWELVE FEET and picked them up. The water was so clear that
I thought they were in arm's reach. That was a fun trip; we flew out
of Tijuana to Puerto Vallarta, took the ferry across the Gulf of
California to La Paz (where I snorkeled and ate steamed clams in
jalapeño salsa), then flew back to Tijuana. I think the pilot drank
all the beer which was supposed to be served on that flight because he
was weaving back and forth so much. When we landed, he overshot the
runway so badly that I swear the end of the paved runway was under the
tip of the wing when we made a 90° turn to go back to the gates. The
front wheel couldn't have been more than 6' from falling off the far
edge runway into the boulders. (They don't have sand for soft, safe
stops like we do up here.)


>Very bad joke snipped... Curious tho' did he place you? He asks innocently.

I pucker at both ends from the mere thought.


>http://www.leevalley.com/home/page.aspx?c=1&p=47715

Man, they have ELEVEN stores!


--directions snipped--
>There is lots to see and do besides Lee Valley. Nice City.
>
>When you are ready to go -- just get help from the locals.

Will do. Thanks.


>Oh -- and don't feed the bears... Grizzlies can be mean suckers.

I won't. Meeses can be rough, too, or so I understand.


--

People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but
most of the time they'll pick themselves up and carry on.
--anon