>
> FJ Shepley & JM Pfohl wrote:
> > What brand of fluorescent lights work best in the cold? My garage would
be
> > unheated until the morning I plan go to out. Are some brand/type of
> > fixtures and lights better for these conditions?
I have some cheapies., When first turned on, they are a bit dull, but as
the fixture and the shop heat up, they brighten to normal. If it is too
cold for the lights, it is too cold for me so it has not been a problem.
They do have a fixture for cold climates, but they are expensive. Mostly
they are used in reefers and walk in boxes that are cold all the time. I'd
at least try a couple of standard fixtures before spending big bucks for an
upgrade. Cold temperature fixtures (-20 degrees) start at about $80. You
can get the same light for about $20 from a standard fixture once you hit 50
degrees.
Ed
Menards and other "borgs" sell 0 degree fluorescent fixtures, only they
will be at least twice as expensive as the typical "shop/garage" lights,
watch for sales on them about this time of the year..., Menards had them
for 1/2 price a couple years ago, thats when I bought a bunch for the
new garage, and the basement workshop..
FJ Shepley & JM Pfohl wrote:
> What brand of fluorescent lights work best in the cold? My garage would be
> unheated until the morning I plan go to out. Are some brand/type of
> fixtures and lights better for these conditions?
>
> Thanks,
> Frank.
>
>
George M. Kazaka wrote:
> Bowie MD, sort of knew it well at one time .
> Built all the Cabinets for a Beauty Salon, and also did the entire
> store front it Diagonal oak panels
> Was back in the late 70's do not not if it is still there or not,
> It was in a open shopping center across from the Bowie Mall
> Heard that the closed it in, Don't know for sure
Does the name "Free State Mall" ring a bell?
> I do miss Annopolis I could easily become a wharf rat there,
> Just can't afford it <G>
Yup. Bring money.
-- Mark
Silvan wrote:
> Depends on how cold cold is. I live in southwestern Virginia,
<snip>
> I'm going to miss my shop soon. :( I don't know how long it's been
> since I picked this up as my current thing to do, but I've been out
> there several hours a day, every chance I get, for a good long time
> now. It's hard for me to consider how that's all about to be taken
> away, but I can't afford to buy a heater, so that's that. :(
I live in MD and use my unheated shop in the winter. I grew up in South
Dakota and learned some things about staying warm. One thing that really
helps is layered clothing. You don't want to have loose & floppy clothing
in the shop, but multiple layers of tee shirts work well. 3 tee shirts
under a shirt and a vest are quite warm.
-- Mark
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:35:58 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> scribbled
>Morgans wrote:
>
>>> Problem is with fingers. I can't do anything in gloves, and when it's
>>> bitterly cold, my fingers don't want to move.
>
>>
>> Try cutting off the tips off of the gloves, just the last joint. You
>> regain the feel, with minnimal heat loss.
>
>What, and go around looking like a hobo? :)
>
>I should try that. I've done it with those brown gloves, and they weren't
>much warm, but maybe if I cut the tips off of a pair of good gloves...
Get a pair of thinsulate-lined wool gloves with a mitten flip top.
Pretty cheap. That's what I use, and I have to deal with real cold,
not your southern t-shirt & shorts winter weather. ;-)
Luigi
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in reply address for real email address
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
> Get a pair of thinsulate-lined wool gloves with a mitten flip top.
> Pretty cheap. That's what I use, and I have to deal with real cold,
> not your southern t-shirt & shorts winter weather. ;-)
I'm already wearing long johns. I don't think we'll be wearing T-shirts and
shorts this winter. Snow flurries last night.
I guess that means most of Canada is already a foot under. :)
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"FJ Shepley & JM Pfohl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What brand of fluorescent lights work best in the cold? My garage would
be
> unheated until the morning I plan go to out. Are some brand/type of
> fixtures and lights better for these conditions?
>
> Thanks,
> Frank.
>
>
I used high output fluorescent fixtures and tubes in my garage in Ottawa,
Canada and they worked even when it was very cold. You can't use HO tubes in
a standard fixture or vise versa; you need to get both.
What part of MD Guys,
I was in the Gaithersburg area fro 28 years, Worked in Thurmont, and
Hagerstown also.
Also you cannot afford not to have heat, it can get cold enough to affect
your glue your finishing and the wood itself.
You do not need a lot of heat but you need some.
And that finger thing is true whatever you are doing with your hands forget
about what skill you posses it will become a little redundent.
Even here in Mesa AZ, 103 degree's yesterday, not a typo 103 friggin
degree's.
Come Dec & Jan and sometimes into Feb Morning Temps will be about 40
degree's,
A heatwave by many standards as i grew up in Boston , and was stationed in
Maine for 3-1/2 years
But at 40 with the humidity at about 15 you absolutely shiver your ass of
till about 10 am when it will get to be about 60
I still have a snow shovel from when i was back east.
I use it to shovel sawdust in the shop,
It has shoveled a lot of sawdust in the past 9 years I also use it to shovel
that damned sunshine off my walk. <G>
George
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mark Jerde wrote:
>
> > I live in MD and use my unheated shop in the winter. I grew up in South
>
> What part of MD? If you live somewhere around D.C.-ish that's one thing,
> but if you live nearer to Cumberland, that's another matter entirely. :)
>
> > Dakota and learned some things about staying warm. One thing that
really
> > helps is layered clothing. You don't want to have loose & floppy
clothing
> > in the shop, but multiple layers of tee shirts work well. 3 tee shirts
> > under a shirt and a vest are quite warm.
>
> Problem is with fingers. I can't do anything in gloves, and when it's
> bitterly cold, my fingers don't want to move. I'd also be mildly
concerned
> about frozen carbide teeth fracturing and such like.
>
> I might try it and see though. I have more projects in progress than I
have
> warm days left. I guess I'll know it's too cold when I decide I'd rather
> drink hot chocolate than make a whatever.
>
> I can handle the layering thing you speak of. I'm a truck driver, and I
> have to tailgate the freight. I go from a heated cab to freezing weather,
> and then I work up a sweat. I have to put things on and take things off
> constantly, depending on where I am, and my activity level. I'm more
> worried about my poor widdle fingers, and problems with cold steel.
>
> Finishing becomes a problem too.
>
> --
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>
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Silvan wrote:
>
> > What part of MD? If you live somewhere around D.C.-ish that's one
> > thing, but if you live nearer to Cumberland, that's another matter
> > entirely. :)
>
> Bowie, which is halfway between D.C. and Annapolis.
>
Bowie MD, sort of knew it well at one time .
Built all the Cabinets for a Beauty Salon, and also did the entire store
front it Diagonal oak panels
Was back in the late 70's do not not if it is still there or not,
It was in a open shopping center across from the Bowie Mall
Heard that the closed it in, Don't know for sure
I do miss Annopolis I could easily become a wharf rat there,
Just can't afford it <G>
George
Don't remember but will e-mail the customer that I built it for, He has
become a personal freind and still lives in Gaithersburg,
I designed and built probably about 30 Beauty salons for him over the years
I know he does not own this one anymore.
I think it used to be called Bowie shoping center and was right on the 450
??
George
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> George M. Kazaka wrote:
>
> > Bowie MD, sort of knew it well at one time .
> > Built all the Cabinets for a Beauty Salon, and also did the entire
> > store front it Diagonal oak panels
> > Was back in the late 70's do not not if it is still there or not,
> > It was in a open shopping center across from the Bowie Mall
> > Heard that the closed it in, Don't know for sure
>
> Does the name "Free State Mall" ring a bell?
>
> > I do miss Annopolis I could easily become a wharf rat there,
> > Just can't afford it <G>
>
> Yup. Bring money.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
BINGO !!
Ed, you got to the core point . . .
When I can't feel my hands, it's time for coffee and the books or computer.
'Buzzing & Blinking' until the chill comes off and the little 'scrapeater'
woodstove warms up I can live with.
At about 35-40 degrees the 'finely measured & cut' wood will move when it
gets to 'room temperature', the glue won't 'set' properly, epoxy & varnish
'curtain' with the very extended curing times, and my butt gets cold . . .
which hinders my thinking processes !!
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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SNIP
If it is too cold for the lights, it is too cold for me so it has not been
a problem.
>
SNIP
You can get the same light for about $20 from a standard fixture once you
hit 50
> degrees.
> Ed
>
>
Silvan wrote:
> FJ Shepley & JM Pfohl wrote:
> I'm going to miss my shop soon. :( I don't know how long it's been since I
> picked this up as my current thing to do, but I've been out there several
> hours a day, every chance I get, for a good long time now. It's hard for
> me to consider how that's all about to be taken away, but I can't afford to
> buy a heater, so that's that. :(
>
> I hate winter. :(
>
Last year I bought one of those ceramic element heaters that you mount
on a propane tank and that seemed to help alot. I don't think I paid
more than about $30 for it. There is an issue with ventilation but my
unfinished garage/shop is far from airtight.
--
Donnie Vazquez
Sunderland, MD
Mark Jerde wrote:
> George M. Kazaka wrote:
>
>
>>Bowie MD, sort of knew it well at one time .
>>Built all the Cabinets for a Beauty Salon, and also did the entire
>>store front it Diagonal oak panels
>>Was back in the late 70's do not not if it is still there or not,
>>It was in a open shopping center across from the Bowie Mall
>>Heard that the closed it in, Don't know for sure
>
>
> Does the name "Free State Mall" ring a bell?
>
>
>>I do miss Annopolis I could easily become a wharf rat there,
>>Just can't afford it <G>
>
>
> Yup. Bring money.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
That sounds like "Market Place" with the diagonal oak motif. I moved
from Bowie to Calvert county (God's Country) :-) 3 years ago. It's
getting awful crowded up there. We'll probably see you down here
eventually, everyone moves down sooner or later :-) A father of a kid on
my sons football team told me that 90% of his subdivision is comprised
of Bowie/Crofton transplants.
--
Donnie Vazquez
Sunderland, MD
FJ Shepley & JM Pfohl wrote:
> What brand of fluorescent lights work best in the cold? My garage would
> be
> unheated until the morning I plan go to out. Are some brand/type of
> fixtures and lights better for these conditions?
Depends on how cold cold is. I live in southwestern Virginia, USDA zone 6b,
and it doesn't get below 0 F very often. I have regular cheapass $5 shop
lights with regular cheapass GE bulbs. If I go out there on a cold day the
lights take a moment to start, and flicker for quite some time, but they
eventually level out and perform normally.
Actually, that was true of my old lights, before I blew them out with a
really stupid electrical blunder that fed them 220. I have no idea how the
new, even more crappy cheapass shop lights will fare.
I'm going to miss my shop soon. :( I don't know how long it's been since I
picked this up as my current thing to do, but I've been out there several
hours a day, every chance I get, for a good long time now. It's hard for
me to consider how that's all about to be taken away, but I can't afford to
buy a heater, so that's that. :(
I hate winter. :(
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On 21-Oct-2003, B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> wrote:
> >What brand of fluorescent lights work best in the cold?
>
> Cold weather fixtures.
>
> Really! <G> Ask for them at an electrical supplier.
My local Borg sells them. If you live in a cold winter
area, your Borg probably does as well. I don't remember
seeing cold weather versions of the T8s though. If you're
starting from scratch, go for the T8s - they'll be cheaper
in the long run. But you'll have to look for the cold
weather versions.
My understanding is that they are little more than regular
fixtures with a different ballast. Electronic or magnetic
or something. They cost a lot more unfortunately.
Mike
Silvan wrote:
> What part of MD? If you live somewhere around D.C.-ish that's one
> thing, but if you live nearer to Cumberland, that's another matter
> entirely. :)
Bowie, which is halfway between D.C. and Annapolis.
> Problem is with fingers. I can't do anything in gloves, and when it's
> bitterly cold, my fingers don't want to move.
I sometimes use those brown, lightweight cloth gloves when it's cold in the
shop.
> I can handle the layering thing you speak of. I'm a truck driver,
> and I have to tailgate the freight.
Long or short haul? I've had this romantic notion about doing long haul 18
wheeler for a year or so. The way the market is for computer programmers I
may get the chance... ;-)
> Finishing becomes a problem too.
ACK.
-- Mark
Donnie Vazquez wrote:
> Last year I bought one of those ceramic element heaters that you mount
> on a propane tank and that seemed to help alot. I don't think I paid
> more than about $30 for it. There is an issue with ventilation but my
> unfinished garage/shop is far from airtight.
Dad always taught me not to heat the whole outdoors. It's hard to pay to
heat a shed with absolutely no insulation.
I might do it anyway though. :)
My interests wax and my interests wane, but I've been in the shop every day
since the middle of June, and it's only getting better. I think maybe I'm
finally going to stop waffling and focus on one thing.
Maybe.
At least for now. :)
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Mark Jerde wrote:
> Bowie, which is halfway between D.C. and Annapolis.
Yeah, right next to Crofton. I know where that is. You're zone 7 I think.
Definitely milder winters than here.
> Long or short haul? I've had this romantic notion about doing long haul
> 18
> wheeler for a year or so. The way the market is for computer programmers
> I
> may get the chance... ;-)
Regional OTR. I guess you'd call it medium haul. I've been doing it going
on seven years now. Email me if you want me to talk you into it or talk
you out of it. I can take the romance out of it, arm you with facts, and
help you decide whether or not it's really something you want to do. (No,
I'm not a recruiter.)
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George M. Kazaka wrote:
> I think it used to be called Bowie shoping center and was right on
> the 450 ??
There are three of them close together on 450, "Marketplace," "Free State"
and "Hilltop." I've been here about 10 years, the names could have changed
before. Like many strips & small malls around the U.S. these have
vacancies. "Marketplace" in particular is almost completely empty, just a
Safeway & a few small stores left. There's been a lot of new development
along 50 & 301. Target, Borders, ..., Lowe's, Borg, ..., Sears, ...
-- Mark
Mark Jerde wrote:
> I live in MD and use my unheated shop in the winter. I grew up in South
What part of MD? If you live somewhere around D.C.-ish that's one thing,
but if you live nearer to Cumberland, that's another matter entirely. :)
> Dakota and learned some things about staying warm. One thing that really
> helps is layered clothing. You don't want to have loose & floppy clothing
> in the shop, but multiple layers of tee shirts work well. 3 tee shirts
> under a shirt and a vest are quite warm.
Problem is with fingers. I can't do anything in gloves, and when it's
bitterly cold, my fingers don't want to move. I'd also be mildly concerned
about frozen carbide teeth fracturing and such like.
I might try it and see though. I have more projects in progress than I have
warm days left. I guess I'll know it's too cold when I decide I'd rather
drink hot chocolate than make a whatever.
I can handle the layering thing you speak of. I'm a truck driver, and I
have to tailgate the freight. I go from a heated cab to freezing weather,
and then I work up a sweat. I have to put things on and take things off
constantly, depending on where I am, and my activity level. I'm more
worried about my poor widdle fingers, and problems with cold steel.
Finishing becomes a problem too.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
George M. Kazaka wrote:
> I still have a snow shovel from when i was back east.
> I use it to shovel sawdust in the shop,
> It has shoveled a lot of sawdust in the past 9 years I also use it to
> shovel that damned sunshine off my walk. <G>
You suck! :)
--
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Morgans wrote:
>> Problem is with fingers. I can't do anything in gloves, and when it's
>> bitterly cold, my fingers don't want to move.
>
> Try cutting off the tips off of the gloves, just the last joint. You
> regain the feel, with minnimal heat loss.
What, and go around looking like a hobo? :)
I should try that. I've done it with those brown gloves, and they weren't
much warm, but maybe if I cut the tips off of a pair of good gloves...
--
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:10:36 -0400, "FJ Shepley & JM Pfohl"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>What brand of fluorescent lights work best in the cold?
Cold weather fixtures.
Really! <G> Ask for them at an electrical supplier.
Barry
I live in the foothills of the Cascades and it can get down to 20'F here for
a few weeks a year. When the temperature in the shop (garage) gets below
35'F, I leave my lights on all night. Florescent lights use very little
electricity. I have four Lithonia T8 4-tube fixtures I got at the Borg for
$60 each. I would guesstimate it would take 5-6 seasons to recover the cost
of the 0-Degree fixtures not including the additional cost of the tubes.
Erik
"FJ Shepley & JM Pfohl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What brand of fluorescent lights work best in the cold? My garage would
be
> unheated until the morning I plan go to out. Are some brand/type of
> fixtures and lights better for these conditions?
>
> Thanks,
> Frank.
>
>
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Problem is with fingers. I can't do anything in gloves, and when it's
> bitterly cold, my fingers don't want to move.
> --
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>
Try cutting off the tips off of the gloves, just the last joint. You regain
the feel, with minnimal heat loss.
--
Jim in NC
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:35:58 -0400, Silvan
> <[email protected]> scribbled
>
> >Morgans wrote:
> >
> >>> Problem is with fingers. I can't do anything in gloves, and when it's
> >>> bitterly cold, my fingers don't want to move.
> >
> >>
> >> Try cutting off the tips off of the gloves, just the last joint. You
> >> regain the feel, with minnimal heat loss.
> >
> >What, and go around looking like a hobo? :)
> >
> >I should try that. I've done it with those brown gloves, and they
weren't
> >much warm, but maybe if I cut the tips off of a pair of good gloves...
>
> Get a pair of thinsulate-lined wool gloves with a mitten flip top.
> Pretty cheap. That's what I use, and I have to deal with real cold,
> not your southern t-shirt & shorts winter weather. ;-)
>
> Luigi
Perhaps I should mention that I grew up and worked in Northwestern and
Central Ohio, for some of those years as a frame carpenter.
Those were not "southern t-shirts & shorts" winters. Try it. It does help.
By the way, back then, thinsulate did not exist. I never quit working until
the temp fell to -10, or more than 6 inches of snow.
Why do you think I moved here?
--
Jim in NC