Cherry problem...

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:48:01 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di>
wrote:
> >
> > Infidels who stain perfectly good cherry do not deserve
> > an answer. They deserve the fleas of a thousand camels
> > to infest their armpits.
>
> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.

Latex would be a much better solution.
SH
>

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:48:01 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di> wrote:
>
> Infidels who stain perfectly good cherry do not deserve
> an answer. They deserve the fleas of a thousand camels
> to infest their armpits.

That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:55:40 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>>
>> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
>> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.
>>
> Yeah. Yeah! Gotta us a good oil base primer followed by the color of
> your choice. *Spackle* first to cure any little dings.

OK, is that what that black-droplet-on-oak finish technique is called?
Can anybody explain why I see it on cheap wood furniture so much? How
did someone come up with that as a technique, and why?

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:00:28 -0400, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> Are you referring to "fly speck" as blackspots. Liquid on toothbrush
> that is brushed with finger is application and goes back YEARS!

Yes, but WHY? Looks like, well, looks like some idiot painted the room
without covering the furniture. What's the thinking behind it? I mean,
I've even seen printed woodgrain on particleboard "furniture" with this
effect.

Dave Hinz

Hi Walley,
Suggest you go here, Register for free, and ask the question. Or search
their archives first. Cheers, JG

http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/phpBB2/portal.php

Wally wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently making some drawer fronts with hardwood cherry.
> Unfortunately, the color of my different boards aren't matching too
> well. Some have a reddish tone and some others have a more brownish
> color. All the board are freshly jointed and planed. Obviously they
> don't come from the same batch.
>
> Now the 100$ question, if I glue them together and apply some NGR
> brown stain, will the color become more even or it will just show the
> same kind of difference between the boards?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Wally

Fly-specking, common on pecan/hickory.

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:55:40 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:

> OK, is that what that black-droplet-on-oak finish technique is called?
> Can anybody explain why I see it on cheap wood furniture so much? How
> did someone come up with that as a technique, and why?
>

My experience is limited to two large cherry projects.

One was natural, where the plywood was much redder than the solids. Six
months later they have both darkened and look much more alike. Sadly, I had
some sapwood in an awkward place; it looked fine when new, but not so good
now. Watch for that! (I am going to give it a year and see if I can't touch
it up with some stain/varnish.)

The second was dyed and stained pretty dark. Everything came out pretty
uniform regardless of what was underneath. (I tried to talk the customer
into a cheaper wood, but he wanted cherry.)

So, I wouldn't worry too much about it; based on my limited experience.

Wally <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently making some drawer fronts with hardwood cherry.
> Unfortunately, the color of my different boards aren't matching too
> well. Some have a reddish tone and some others have a more brownish
> color. All the board are freshly jointed and planed. Obviously they
> don't come from the same batch.
>
> Now the 100$ question, if I glue them together and apply some NGR
> brown stain, will the color become more even or it will just show the
> same kind of difference between the boards?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Wally
>

Uh, Larry, do you want to take this one? ;-)

jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:w%[email protected]:

> Dave Hinz wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:48:01 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Infidels who stain perfectly good cherry do not deserve
>>>an answer. They deserve the fleas of a thousand camels
>>>to infest their armpits.
>>
>>
>> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
>> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.
>>
> Yeah. Yeah! Gotta us a good oil base primer followed by the color of
> your choice. *Spackle* first to cure any little dings.
> mahalo,
> jo4hn
>

I thought it was supposed to be shelllac-based primer over cherry....

I learn something every day. Sometimes it's the same stuff I learned last
week, but hey, it's something!

Patriarch

patriarch <<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:w%[email protected]:
>
>> Dave Hinz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:48:01 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Infidels who stain perfectly good cherry do not deserve
>>>>an answer. They deserve the fleas of a thousand camels
>>>>to infest their armpits.
>>>
>>>
>>> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
>>> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.
>>>
>> Yeah. Yeah! Gotta us a good oil base primer followed by the color of
>> your choice. *Spackle* first to cure any little dings.
>> mahalo,
>> jo4hn

Now that many of the smart-aleck answers have been offered (OK, there
probably will be more)....

Have you tried a little sunlight? If you can make up drawer faces of
similar colors, with as little or no sapwood as possible, so that the color
is consistent within the drawer face, then giving them a suntan for a few
hours can be a possible solution.

I rather like the natural variation of cherry, assuming you can balance
what you have artisticly within the piece, so that face frames match,
drawers are graduated from lighter to darker.

And cherry seems to be variably processed. Maybe that's an awkward means
of stating it. I've recycled some cherry from some kitchen cabinets, and
it seemed to have been steamed, or something. It didn't take oil quite the
same as material I believe to have been air-dried. It was pretty, but more
muted in character. Somewhat blotchy in certain areas.

And all these comments from someone whose first project in cherry was about
8 months ago. On the West Coast, it's an import, with the expected
pricing.

I believe that FWW had, in the last year or so, an article on using dyes to
blend cherry in pieces, such as highboys, etc., by someone does this really
well. If your piece deserves that kind of attention, you'll at least need
to do that level of research.

My projects are more Western Pennsylvania, and less Newport/Boston in their
design heritage. Oils and wax, rather than french polish, etc.

Patriarch

Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:51:10 GMT, patriarch
> <<patriarch>[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>
>>patriarch <<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
<snip>
>>And cherry seems to be variably processed. Maybe that's an awkward
>>means of stating it. I've recycled some cherry from some kitchen
>>cabinets, and it seemed to have been steamed, or something. It didn't
>>take oil quite the same as material I believe to have been air-dried.
>>It was pretty, but more muted in character. Somewhat blotchy in
>>certain areas.
>
> Did you give it a nice, soaking bath in lacquer thinner before
> finishing it? Old kitchen wood (inside or not) is sure to have
> lots of baked-in food oils on it already.
>

I would have, but these had never made it to an actual kitchen. They were
recycled from a stach of cabinet maker's leftovers that a scrounging buddy
of mine got for next to or actually nothing. He just shows up with stuff,
and says "You can make something from this, right?"

Another poster asked about the load capacity of his wood rack. I think I'm
stress testing mine. It gets harder to get to wood I know is buried in
there somewhere.

But I'm not complaining. Some folks have real problems.

Patriarch

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:51:10 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>patriarch <<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:w%[email protected]:
>>
>>> Dave Hinz wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:48:01 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Infidels who stain perfectly good cherry do not deserve
>>>>>an answer. They deserve the fleas of a thousand camels
>>>>>to infest their armpits.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
>>>> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.

That was the kinder, gentler answer. Peace, brah.


>>> Yeah. Yeah! Gotta us a good oil base primer followed by the color of
>>> your choice. *Spackle* first to cure any little dings.

Yeah, spackle and paint. Stainers DESERVE that.


>Now that many of the smart-aleck answers have been offered (OK, there
>probably will be more)....
>
>Have you tried a little sunlight? If you can make up drawer faces of
>similar colors, with as little or no sapwood as possible, so that the color
>is consistent within the drawer face, then giving them a suntan for a few
>hours can be a possible solution.

There ya go. Strips of cloth/cardboard over the darker areas
until the lighter bits catch up.


>I rather like the natural variation of cherry, assuming you can balance

Ditto here. Wood is wood: tone varies. Hell, left arms are usually
more tan than right, but do you see people staining their right
arms? (Don't answer that. I really don't want to know any more than
I already do about that subject: I saw an ad for a tanning airbrush
last week with expensive human skin stain in 2 shades. Oy vay...)


>what you have artisticly within the piece, so that face frames match,
>drawers are graduated from lighter to darker.

Hmmm, maybe so.


>And cherry seems to be variably processed. Maybe that's an awkward means
>of stating it. I've recycled some cherry from some kitchen cabinets, and
>it seemed to have been steamed, or something. It didn't take oil quite the
>same as material I believe to have been air-dried. It was pretty, but more
>muted in character. Somewhat blotchy in certain areas.

Did you give it a nice, soaking bath in lacquer thinner before
finishing it? Old kitchen wood (inside or not) is sure to have
lots of baked-in food oils on it already.


>And all these comments from someone whose first project in cherry was about
>8 months ago. On the West Coast, it's an import, with the expected
>pricing.

Ebony and pink ivory are cheaper, huh?


>I believe that FWW had, in the last year or so, an article on using dyes to
>blend cherry in pieces, such as highboys, etc., by someone does this really
>well. If your piece deserves that kind of attention, you'll at least need
>to do that level of research.

Good dyes well applied are slightly less offensive to highly
opinionated purists like me.


>My projects are more Western Pennsylvania, and less Newport/Boston in their
>design heritage. Oils and wax, rather than french polish, etc.

Good call. That finish is more to my style, too.



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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:55:17 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>Wally <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm currently making some drawer fronts with hardwood cherry.
>> Unfortunately, the color of my different boards aren't matching too
>> well. Some have a reddish tone and some others have a more brownish
>> color. All the board are freshly jointed and planed. Obviously they
>> don't come from the same batch.

Next time, buy wood from the same lot for drawer fronts.


>> Now the 100$ question, if I glue them together and apply some NGR
>> brown stain, will the color become more even or it will just show the
>> same kind of difference between the boards?
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>>
>> Wally
>
>Uh, Larry, do you want to take this one? ;-)

Infidels who stain perfectly good cherry do not deserve
an answer. They deserve the fleas of a thousand camels
to infest their armpits.


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Yea, though I walk through the valley of Minwax, I shall stain no Cherry.
http://diversify.com

On 27 Aug 2004 15:50:25 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:55:40 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave Hinz wrote:
>>>
>>> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
>>> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.
>>>
>> Yeah. Yeah! Gotta us a good oil base primer followed by the color of
>> your choice. *Spackle* first to cure any little dings.
>
>OK, is that what that black-droplet-on-oak finish technique is called?

splatter distress?



>Can anybody explain why I see it on cheap wood furniture so much?

it's very fast and easy to do. deliberately misadjust your spray gun a
bit... it camouflages cheap wood by simulating the effects of age.
what's hilarious is that it works as well as it does, especially from
about 6 feet away.



>How did someone come up with that as a technique, and why?

it's ancient. people have been antiquing stuff for a long time...

Are you referring to "fly speck" as blackspots. Liquid on toothbrush
that is brushed with finger is application and goes back YEARS!

On 27 Aug 2004 15:50:25 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:55:40 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave Hinz wrote:
>>>
>>> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
>>> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.
>>>
>> Yeah. Yeah! Gotta us a good oil base primer followed by the color of
>> your choice. *Spackle* first to cure any little dings.
>
>OK, is that what that black-droplet-on-oak finish technique is called?
>Can anybody explain why I see it on cheap wood furniture so much? How
>did someone come up with that as a technique, and why?

Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:48:01 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di> wrote:
>
>>Infidels who stain perfectly good cherry do not deserve
>>an answer. They deserve the fleas of a thousand camels
>>to infest their armpits.
>
>
> That was a bit gentle, Larry, are you feeling OK? I mean, this guy
> is proposing _staining cherry_ FFS.
>
Yeah. Yeah! Gotta us a good oil base primer followed by the color of
your choice. *Spackle* first to cure any little dings.
mahalo,
jo4hn