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Bay Area Dave

07/02/2004 4:23 AM

Norton's 3X papers are stearated...

Some "pro's" here think that stearated sandpaper is unholy. How come a
large company such as Norton doesn't know that stearated paper is a no
no for finishing? Mike should call them up to let them know the folly
of their ways... Or could the new papers ACTUALLY be ok? I've seen NO
problems with using them between Enduro coats.

dave


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"George"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 07/02/2004 4:23 AM

07/02/2004 8:01 AM

Some think all sanding is unholy.

Stearates are soaps. Wipe the surface with an alcohol-soaked rag (N/A
shellac) if you're troubled, but, with the modest amounts used, and a coat
of finish shedding already, should be no problem.

If you are absolutely anal, just use non-stearated open-coat papers between
coats of finish.

Oh yes, bet more finishes have been screwed up from lack of or incomplete
tacking off than ever from stearates.

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some "pro's" here think that stearated sandpaper is unholy. How come a
> large company such as Norton doesn't know that stearated paper is a no
> no for finishing? Mike should call them up to let them know the folly
> of their ways... Or could the new papers ACTUALLY be ok? I've seen NO
> problems with using them between Enduro coats.
>
> dave
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 07/02/2004 4:23 AM

07/02/2004 5:32 AM


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8H_Ub.10308$%[email protected]...
> remember the thread I started a few months back about pits in poly?
> there was some talk about stearated paper then. I use the same Norton
> 3X with Enduro and have no problems, PLUS I'm not convinced the Norton
> papers had anything to do with the poly issue. I just find it hard to
> believe that Norton sells all these sand papers expressly for wood
> finishing if they are incompatible. But, hey, what do I know? What
> does Norton know? I don't know Jack; can't speak for Norton.


No, I missed of forgot that one.. you do make a good point though. I
prefer 3M.. ;~)

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Bay Area Dave

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 07/02/2004 4:23 AM

07/02/2004 5:27 AM

remember the thread I started a few months back about pits in poly?
there was some talk about stearated paper then. I use the same Norton
3X with Enduro and have no problems, PLUS I'm not convinced the Norton
papers had anything to do with the poly issue. I just find it hard to
believe that Norton sells all these sand papers expressly for wood
finishing if they are incompatible. But, hey, what do I know? What
does Norton know? I don't know Jack; can't speak for Norton.

dave

Leon wrote:

> I have seen the thread and yawned.... ;~) But something to check out and I
> don't know one way or the other for sure. Norton is big into Automotive
> papers. Some papers are better for Automotive paints than for wood
> finishes. That said, if you are pleased with your finish results in 5
> years, keep doing the same thing and using the same papers.
>
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Some "pro's" here think that stearated sandpaper is unholy. How come a
>>large company such as Norton doesn't know that stearated paper is a no
>>no for finishing? Mike should call them up to let them know the folly
>>of their ways... Or could the new papers ACTUALLY be ok? I've seen NO
>>problems with using them between Enduro coats.
>>
>>dave
>>
>
>
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 07/02/2004 4:23 AM

07/02/2004 5:21 AM

I have seen the thread and yawned.... ;~) But something to check out and I
don't know one way or the other for sure. Norton is big into Automotive
papers. Some papers are better for Automotive paints than for wood
finishes. That said, if you are pleased with your finish results in 5
years, keep doing the same thing and using the same papers.



"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some "pro's" here think that stearated sandpaper is unholy. How come a
> large company such as Norton doesn't know that stearated paper is a no
> no for finishing? Mike should call them up to let them know the folly
> of their ways... Or could the new papers ACTUALLY be ok? I've seen NO
> problems with using them between Enduro coats.
>
> dave
>

Rr

"Rumpty"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 07/02/2004 4:23 AM

07/02/2004 8:51 AM

>I don't know Jack; can't speak for Norton.

We all know that so you don't need to remind us.

I use an Inca 550 jointer planer and I wax the table during planing
operations. (I use a wax made for this purpose) and I spray WB finish and
have NO problems with crap under the finish. I also use peel and stick
paper on my block sander.

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Rumpty

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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8H_Ub.10308$%[email protected]...
> remember the thread I started a few months back about pits in poly?
> there was some talk about stearated paper then. I use the same Norton
> 3X with Enduro and have no problems, PLUS I'm not convinced the Norton
> papers had anything to do with the poly issue. I just find it hard to
> believe that Norton sells all these sand papers expressly for wood
> finishing if they are incompatible. But, hey, what do I know? What
> does Norton know? I don't know Jack; can't speak for Norton.
>
> dave
>
> Leon wrote:
>
> > I have seen the thread and yawned.... ;~) But something to check out
and I
> > don't know one way or the other for sure. Norton is big into Automotive
> > papers. Some papers are better for Automotive paints than for wood
> > finishes. That said, if you are pleased with your finish results in 5
> > years, keep doing the same thing and using the same papers.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Some "pro's" here think that stearated sandpaper is unholy. How come a
> >>large company such as Norton doesn't know that stearated paper is a no
> >>no for finishing? Mike should call them up to let them know the folly
> >>of their ways... Or could the new papers ACTUALLY be ok? I've seen NO
> >>problems with using them between Enduro coats.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

EL

"Eric Lund"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 07/02/2004 4:23 AM

07/02/2004 7:56 PM


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you are preaching to the choir, George! :) I DO use the Norton stearated
> papers and don't see anything untoward happening as a result. Maybe the
> earth will eventually get knocked off its axis, but for now I'm using
them.
>

I missed the prev. thread on this subject. I don't know what y'all do, but
I like to read the can and follow the directions. If the can of finish says
don't use stearated paper, I figure there's probably a chemical reason for
it. IIRC, most cans that contain some degree of poly seem to have this,
even the waterbase finishes. There are plenty on non-stearated abrasives to
be had, so I don't get my knickers in a twist about it.

Cheers,
Eric

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Bay Area Dave

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 07/02/2004 4:23 AM

07/02/2004 5:35 PM

you are preaching to the choir, George! :) I DO use the Norton stearated
papers and don't see anything untoward happening as a result. Maybe the
earth will eventually get knocked off its axis, but for now I'm using them.

dave

George wrote:

> Some think all sanding is unholy.
>
> Stearates are soaps. Wipe the surface with an alcohol-soaked rag (N/A
> shellac) if you're troubled, but, with the modest amounts used, and a coat
> of finish shedding already, should be no problem.
>
> If you are absolutely anal, just use non-stearated open-coat papers between
> coats of finish.
>
> Oh yes, bet more finishes have been screwed up from lack of or incomplete
> tacking off than ever from stearates.
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Some "pro's" here think that stearated sandpaper is unholy. How come a
>>large company such as Norton doesn't know that stearated paper is a no
>>no for finishing? Mike should call them up to let them know the folly
>>of their ways... Or could the new papers ACTUALLY be ok? I've seen NO
>>problems with using them between Enduro coats.
>>
>>dave
>>
>
>
>


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