connor aston wrote:
> I have ordered one of these do you think it really works?
> Does anyone have experience of using it?
>
Count me among the very satisfied users. It not only leaves ripped
edges looking like they've been sanded, crosscuts are smooth enough
too. Only time I ever take it off my saw is for dados or to cut dirty
or salvaged wood.
DonkeyHody
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
"TBone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Then it is still not untrue because in your response, you didn't either
Umm, I did not respond. I was explaining CW's response of untrue.
and
> when most people mention run out this way, they are referring to excessive
> run out.
Actually many people ask because they have no idea of what an acceptable
amount of run out is.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:57:52 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Because ALL arbors have run out. Barry did not indicate a specified range
>of run out. Typically anything under .0003" is acceptable even though it
>has run out.
Absolutely agreed! The perfect arbor probably dosen't exist.
I forgot to write "excessive". <G>
Excessive arbor end play can also kill the cut of the best blades.
BArry
"TBone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Really?? How is a wobbling blade going to give you a perfectly smooth and
> true cut?
Because ALL arbors have run out. Barry did not indicate a specified range
of run out. Typically anything under .0003" is acceptable even though it
has run out.
"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:57:52 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Because ALL arbors have run out. Barry did not indicate a specified range
>>of run out. Typically anything under .0003" is acceptable even though it
>>has run out.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed! The perfect arbor probably dosen't exist.
>
> I forgot to write "excessive". <G>
>
> Excessive arbor end play can also kill the cut of the best blades.
Absolutely, or just a bit of sawdust on the flange.. LOL
Then it is still not untrue because in your response, you didn't either and
when most people mention run out this way, they are referring to excessive
run out.
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "TBone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Really?? How is a wobbling blade going to give you a perfectly smooth
and
> > true cut?
>
>
> Because ALL arbors have run out. Barry did not indicate a specified range
> of run out. Typically anything under .0003" is acceptable even though it
> has run out.
>
>
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The result of a wobbling blade is that less teeth are cutting. If feed is
> slowed down to a point that the same chip load is being achieved, the cut
> will be the same as it would if the blade sere running strait. If the
> blade
> has a severe warp (say 1/4"). the feed would have to be slowed even more
> as
> more of the sharp corner of the tooth will be cutting. Even so, a smooth
> cut
> can be achieved. Runout is not a big problem. End shake, however, is.
I think you're confusing blade runout and arbor runout. If the arbor were
perfect, then you'd be right; the tooth closest to the fence would always be
cutting the edge. However, the blade isn't perfectly flat AND the arbor has
runout. Therefore, the imperfections in the blade are sometimes offset by
the runout in the arbor, and sometimes not.
Then again, I may be confused. Truth be told, I've never seen a definition
of runout, and this is the first I've heard of end shake.
"connor aston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:op.s29ordnkyacudf@dellman...
> I have ordered one of these do you think it really works?
> Does anyone have experience of using it?
Yes, yes, and yes...
Take note, if your saw arbor has runout, no blade will give you a glue line.
Barry
"connor aston" wrote in message
> I have ordered one of these do you think it really works?
> Does anyone have experience of using it?
Since you've already ordered it, it appears you will have an excellent
opportunity to find out for yourself. ;)
Yep ... excellent blade; nice flat bottom on non-through cuts, like slots
for splines; and does a beautiful job of ripping edges for panel glue-ups,
which is what I use it for.
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Having built machines professionally for the past twenty years, I can say
that I'm not confused. The confusion may well come on the side of the one
doing the measuring. How do we really know what he is measuring? Is he
measuring flange runout? Is he measuring arbor runout? If the latter, is he
measuring radial or axial runout? Put an indicator on the end of a shaft.
Push on the shaft in an axial direction. Does it move? If so, that is end
shake.
"Tim and Steph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:m%[email protected]...
> > The result of a wobbling blade is that less teeth are cutting. If feed
is
> > slowed down to a point that the same chip load is being achieved, the
cut
> > will be the same as it would if the blade sere running strait. If the
> > blade
> > has a severe warp (say 1/4"). the feed would have to be slowed even more
> > as
> > more of the sharp corner of the tooth will be cutting. Even so, a smooth
> > cut
> > can be achieved. Runout is not a big problem. End shake, however, is.
>
> I think you're confusing blade runout and arbor runout. If the arbor were
> perfect, then you'd be right; the tooth closest to the fence would always
be
> cutting the edge. However, the blade isn't perfectly flat AND the arbor
has
> runout. Therefore, the imperfections in the blade are sometimes offset by
> the runout in the arbor, and sometimes not.
>
> Then again, I may be confused. Truth be told, I've never seen a
definition
> of runout, and this is the first I've heard of end shake.
>
>
Really?? How is a wobbling blade going to give you a perfectly smooth and
true cut?
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"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Untrue.
>
> "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> news:M9txf.53$>
> > Take note, if your saw arbor has runout, no blade will give you a glue
> line.
> >
> > Barry
>
>
"connor aston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I have ordered one of these do you think it really works?
> Does anyone have experience of using it?
>
> http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?offerings_id=10630&cookietest=1
>
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> If I cant make it - I'll Try!
I have one. I works great - edges like glass.
Untrue.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Take note, if your saw arbor has runout, no blade will give you a glue
line.
>
> Barry
The result of a wobbling blade is that less teeth are cutting. If feed is
slowed down to a point that the same chip load is being achieved, the cut
will be the same as it would if the blade sere running strait. If the blade
has a severe warp (say 1/4"). the feed would have to be slowed even more as
more of the sharp corner of the tooth will be cutting. Even so, a smooth cut
can be achieved. Runout is not a big problem. End shake, however, is.
"TBone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Really?? How is a wobbling blade going to give you a perfectly smooth and
> true cut?
>
> --
> If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Untrue.
> >
> > "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message
> > news:M9txf.53$>
> > > Take note, if your saw arbor has runout, no blade will give you a glue
> > line.
> > >
> > > Barry
> >
> >
>
>
It should, as this is not an uncommon function of a good saw blade.
Actually, I have 2 blades that I use ALL OF THE TIME. They are both
Forrest WWII regular kerf 40 tooth blades.
I have 2 so that when one is being sharpened the other is ready and I have
no down time.
With a properly set up saw you will get shiny smooth rips and cross cuts and
combination cuts.
So if you feel like using one blade for all of your cuts look at the
Forrest, if you can get it.
"connor aston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I have ordered one of these do you think it really works?
> Does anyone have experience of using it?
>
> http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?offerings_id=10630&cookietest=1
>
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> If I cant make it - I'll Try!
Yippie thanks people
Should you all not be asleep its 15:21 here in Northern Ireland?
Connor
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:51:40 -0000, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "connor aston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:op.s29ordnkyacudf@dellman...
>> I have ordered one of these do you think it really works?
>> Does anyone have experience of using it?
>
> Yes, yes, and yes...
>
> Take note, if your saw arbor has runout, no blade will give you a glue
> line.
>
> Barry
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