On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:21:06 -0500, R.H. wrote:
> This week I know only one of them for sure, though I have some ideas
> on a couple of the others, hopefully we will get all of them
> identified:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
I have fun with these even though I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as
everybody else guessing. So here are my completely off-the-wall
guesses.
1233. Used to crease something, as well as punch holes in it? I can't
imagine wanting to crease leather, but that was my first thought
1234: The numbers in the first photo are a mirror image, which leads me
to believe the ring was designed to be inked and have the numbers be
transferred (in series) to something else. But there are only fifteen
numbers, and I can't think offhand of anything that would go in a cycle
of fifteen.
1235: A hammer for hitting some sort of ceremonial bell?
1236: Damned if I know
1237: A very primitive, and painful, colonoscope. :-)
1238: There are slits on the bottom if I see the third photo correctly,
leading me to believe it's some sort of plane.
Now to see what the *right* answers are....
--
Ted S.
fedya at bestweb dot net
On Feb 28, 4:21=A0am, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> This week I know only one of them for sure, though I have some ideas on a
> couple of the others, hopefully we will get all of them identified:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
1233: If the cutter is reversed, I'd guess it is for sizing tenons on
a lathe or some similar function. If the cutter is not reversed I'm
stumped, although it would cut beads.
1238: These photos were just on the rec.woodworking board, asking if
it might be a plane of some type. I answered: Appears to be a
scraper, although it looks a little heavy for most woodworking
applications. Could possibly have been a metalworking tool, or one
for a trade such as printing.
Looks as though it may have another fence on the right side, which
would make it useful for planing/scraping items to thickness on the
bench. Such as for inlays, fishing rod sections, or something of that
sort.
Scraping brass inlays to size?
John Martin
> 1234) I suspect that this was used to mark the date of manufacture
> (month and year) on some product. Given the material, I suspect
> that it may have been heated and burned into a wood part.
>
> Since it has sixteen stations, I suspect that it covers more
> than a year. What happens when the numbers reach "12-56"? does
> it then change to "1-57" Or does it start before "1-56"? You
> put the changeover zone as far from the lens and as far out of
> focus as you could manage. Was that intentional? :-)
If I was paying closer attention when I took this shot I would have put the
other end in the foreground, most of these are difficult enough already, I'm
not trying to make them harder (believe it or not).
> Could you not have come up with a more interesting one for a
> four consecutive digits item number? :-)
I'll have to make a mental note to save something really good for the next
opportunity. ;-)
-----
Well, we've got a few solid answers for this set and some good possibilities
for the others, thanks to everyone who provided answers and suggestions,
especially to LDC for the great link on number 1237. The answer page can be
seen here:
http://pzphotosans221-6.blogspot.com/
Rob
"Christian Stüben" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi R.H.
> i just found this side concerning 1235:
> http://www.historische-apotheke.de/html/body_morser.html
> might be a hint... some of them look similar
>
> greetings from germany
> chris
Thanks! I think this is the correct answer, I just sent the link to the
owner and added it to the answer page.
Rob
"Carla Fong" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> (1234) is a date stamp for marking automobile batteries for the 'sale
> date' to allow for warranty dating.
>
> You place the numbered side on one of the lead battery posts and whack the
> top side with a hammer, marking the soft lead with the date code.
>
> Went by the wayside with the side-post batteries and new-fangled 'poke out
> the dot' plastic warranty date labels. I remember seeing these in gas
> stations everywhere during my mis-spent youth...
Thanks, I did some searching on the web and couldn't find any info on it,
the owner knew what it was but not the specifics.
Rob
LDC wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:36:48 -0500, Bill Rider <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>> On 2008-02-28, Bill Rider <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> [ ... ]
>>>
>>>> I wonder about 1237? What's the wand made of? What about the contact?
>>>> How long is each wire? What sort of light bulb is in the barrel?
>>>>
>>>> Abilities Inc. finds employment for disabled people, some of whom are in
>>>> wheelchairs. A person in a wheelchair may be well insulated from the
>>>> ground. This could be an advantage or a disadvantage.
>>> Then again -- it could be that they, like Lighthouse for the
>>> Blind -- make things for large purchasers. Lighthouse made the ball
>>> point pens issued in every government agency, even though the workers
>>> never would actually *use* the product. It was a form of employment. I
>>> suspect that Abilities Inc is a similar setup.
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> DoN.
>>>
>> I think you're right. LDC says Telcos used it, but they may not have
>> been all. Abilities, Inc. had contracts with the Department of Defense
>> and GE, among others.
>>
>> It reminds me of a "dead man's stick," used to make sure equipment is
>> discharged. The bulb could indicate if the equipment is live, but I
>> don't understand the location. Unless there's a lot of resistance
>> within the wand, the wire from the wand to the bulb could be a shock
>> hazard. Besides, if you want the bulb visible to the user, shouldn't it
>> be on the wand and not hanging three feet below the user's hand?
>
> Here is a link to the BSP (Bell System Practice) detailing the
> device and its use.
> http://xy3.com/bsp/pdf//081-705-101.pdf
Thanks!
1233 While not an identification of this object, it clearly is a thing to
make a groove around a cylindrical stick.
1234 A dating stamp, to mark a production date on some metal product.
1236 A Weston Standard Cell. Produces a standard known voltage. 1.0183
volts.
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This week I know only one of them for sure, though I have some ideas on a
> couple of the others, hopefully we will get all of them identified:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:21:06 -0500, "R.H." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>This week I know only one of them for sure, though I have some ideas on a
>couple of the others, hopefully we will get all of them identified:
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob
1237 is a voltage probe used by Telco employees. Connect the clamp
at the coiled end to ground, touch the end of the rod to a
questionable down guy and see if the neon light comes on.
R.H. wrote:
> This week I know only one of them for sure, though I have some ideas on
> a couple of the others, hopefully we will get all of them identified:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
I wonder about 1237? What's the wand made of? What about the contact?
How long is each wire? What sort of light bulb is in the barrel?
Abilities Inc. finds employment for disabled people, some of whom are in
wheelchairs. A person in a wheelchair may be well insulated from the
ground. This could be an advantage or a disadvantage.
Maybe the person avoids static shocks by clipping one lead to the chair
and using the wand to touch a grounded object. The light might flash if
there was a big charge.
Maybe the person in the chair works on electrical circuits, and he can
reach out with the wand to see if a circuit is energized.
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:36:48 -0500, Bill Rider <[email protected]>
wrote:
>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>> On 2008-02-28, Bill Rider <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>
>>> I wonder about 1237? What's the wand made of? What about the contact?
>>> How long is each wire? What sort of light bulb is in the barrel?
>>>
>>> Abilities Inc. finds employment for disabled people, some of whom are in
>>> wheelchairs. A person in a wheelchair may be well insulated from the
>>> ground. This could be an advantage or a disadvantage.
>>
>> Then again -- it could be that they, like Lighthouse for the
>> Blind -- make things for large purchasers. Lighthouse made the ball
>> point pens issued in every government agency, even though the workers
>> never would actually *use* the product. It was a form of employment. I
>> suspect that Abilities Inc is a similar setup.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> DoN.
>>
>I think you're right. LDC says Telcos used it, but they may not have
>been all. Abilities, Inc. had contracts with the Department of Defense
>and GE, among others.
>
>It reminds me of a "dead man's stick," used to make sure equipment is
>discharged. The bulb could indicate if the equipment is live, but I
>don't understand the location. Unless there's a lot of resistance
>within the wand, the wire from the wand to the bulb could be a shock
>hazard. Besides, if you want the bulb visible to the user, shouldn't it
>be on the wand and not hanging three feet below the user's hand?
Here is a link to the BSP (Bell System Practice) detailing the
device and its use.
http://xy3.com/bsp/pdf//081-705-101.pdf
In article <[email protected]>,
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
My guesses and thoughts...
1233 -- Tool for making or truing up dowels or circular tenons. The
wood is roughly rounded and placed in the wedge-shaped cage, and the
gouge blade advanced to take off a shaving while spinning the handle
around the wood. It appears that this would only be effective on pretty
nearly round pieces already, so I'm thinking its mostly for tenon work.
1234 -- Gage for various diameters of...something. It would also make a
dandy trivet, but that doesn't appear to be the intended use.
1235 -- Possibly a gas burner (for pre-electric-light illumination).
1236 -- I'd guess this is some sort of demonstration or laboratory
apparatus used in thermodynamics--possibly a demonstration of a
refrigeration cycle or a hygrometer of some sort. I'm not at all sure,
though.
1237 -- Possibly some training or therapy device for disabled persons.
The wand would be moved through some sort of a metal labyrinth and
contact with the edges indicated by the bulb, akin to the child's game
Operation. The "Abilities, Inc." name could go along with this; one
quite interesting semi-related obituary is here:
http://www.ilusa.com/articles/Dr_viscardia.htm
1238 -- This appears to be a rather peculiar rabbet plane. The iron
appears to be in backwards. This doesn't look as though it were
intended for wood, based on the blade angle and the fineness of the
adjustments; possibly it's for some (relatively soft?) metal. No clue
as to the precise purpose, though.
--
Andrew Erickson
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:36:48 -0500, Bill Rider <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I think you're right. LDC says Telcos used it, but they may not have
>been all. Abilities, Inc. had contracts with the Department of Defense
>and GE, among others.
>
>It reminds me of a "dead man's stick," used to make sure equipment is
>discharged. The bulb could indicate if the equipment is live, but I
>don't understand the location. Unless there's a lot of resistance
>within the wand, the wire from the wand to the bulb could be a shock
>hazard. Besides, if you want the bulb visible to the user, shouldn't it
>be on the wand and not hanging three feet below the user's hand?
There certianly could be users in addition to Telcos.
Of course there is a lot of resistance in the stick as it was
intended to find stray voltage, including high voltages. You are
supposed to hold the little round casing in your hand so you could
orient for best visibility. As I recall (it's been many years since
I used one!!) the light is recessed so it is shaded and easier to
see faint illuminations of the bulb when the voltage is low..
When using it, you would often have to extend you arm it such a
position so the you would not be able to see a light mounted in the
rod. The purpose of the device is to keep the tester away from the
item being tested. Putting the light in the end of the rod would be
counter to that goal. (Picture this being used in a wide variety of
conditions: in the rain, pushing through thick brush, clearance
obstructed by fences, etc,)
--Larry
DoN. Nichols wrote:
> On 2008-02-28, Bill Rider <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> I wonder about 1237? What's the wand made of? What about the contact?
>> How long is each wire? What sort of light bulb is in the barrel?
>>
>> Abilities Inc. finds employment for disabled people, some of whom are in
>> wheelchairs. A person in a wheelchair may be well insulated from the
>> ground. This could be an advantage or a disadvantage.
>
> Then again -- it could be that they, like Lighthouse for the
> Blind -- make things for large purchasers. Lighthouse made the ball
> point pens issued in every government agency, even though the workers
> never would actually *use* the product. It was a form of employment. I
> suspect that Abilities Inc is a similar setup.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>
I think you're right. LDC says Telcos used it, but they may not have
been all. Abilities, Inc. had contracts with the Department of Defense
and GE, among others.
It reminds me of a "dead man's stick," used to make sure equipment is
discharged. The bulb could indicate if the equipment is live, but I
don't understand the location. Unless there's a lot of resistance
within the wand, the wire from the wand to the bulb could be a shock
hazard. Besides, if you want the bulb visible to the user, shouldn't it
be on the wand and not hanging three feet below the user's hand?
On 2 Mar 2008 03:13:15 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2008-03-01, Christian Stüben <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi R.H.
>> i just found this side concerning 1235:
>> http://www.historische-apotheke.de/html/body_morser.html
>> might be a hint... some of them look similar
>
> Except that none of them have the rod with the sliding
>counterweight which (along with the pour hole in the side) make me think
>of a measuring bucket.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
Hey DoN and RH,
Sure looks like the photos at the site from Chris Stuben. One is
identical.
I'd bet that it got turned into a table-lamp at some time after it's
useful life in the pharmacy was over. That would account for both the
hole in the "bell", and the rod. This sort of cannibalization was
quite common in the 1930's to the 60's.
Take care.
Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
On 2008-02-28, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> This week I know only one of them for sure, though I have some ideas on a
> couple of the others, hopefully we will get all of them identified:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
O.K. -- Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
1233) A device for turning a groove in round wood -- presumably
for something which won't fit in a lathe. You slip it over
the end to where you need it to be, tighten the handle to move
the bronze piece with the concave curve against the side of the
wood and start rotating it around the workpiece. The depth of
the groove is preset by loosening the steel round-headed slotted
screw and sliding the gouge. I believe that the round-headed
screw was originally a knurled knob on the end of a screw, but
it got lost and replaced. Or it could have been a wing-headed
screw, like the wing-nut which locks the projection of the
concave curve into the V-frame.
1234) I suspect that this was used to mark the date of manufacture
(month and year) on some product. Given the material, I suspect
that it may have been heated and burned into a wood part.
Since it has sixteen stations, I suspect that it covers more
than a year. What happens when the numbers reach "12-56"? does
it then change to "1-57" Or does it start before "1-56"? You
put the changeover zone as far from the lens and as far out of
focus as you could manage. Was that intentional? :-)
Anyway -- it would be replaced with a new one when the dates are
exhausted. And I suspect that some of the overlap (12 months
per year vs 16 stations) is to give you time to order the next
year's marker. I'm surprised that they did not simply make it
with movable type -- but perhaps the typeface wears out in a
year of use. I see that they are marked with underscores on the
back, which suggest to me that they extend through 1-57 to 3-57.
Could you not have come up with a more interesting one for a
four consecutive digits item number? :-)
1235) I'm not sure about the rod part, but the bucket part looks like
a tipping measuring bucket. The bucket is pivoted on the two
ears, and the sliding weight on the rod below the bucket is
adjusted so it tips at a particular volume. Similar (but much
smaller) ones are used in electronic rainfall gauge sensors.
1236) Since I see no way to get the liquid out and replace it with
new, I suspect that it was part of a one-time experiment.
It looks as though the wires are connected to a sheet metal
collar which goes around one side bulb. And it looks like
pressed paper insulating washers under the head of the screw and
the (presumed) nut on the other side, so I suspect that the
brown liquid is sensitive to magnetic fields (as would be
produced by current passing through the collar).
It might be interesting to move a permanent magnet near the fluid
and see if it is attracted to the magnet.
1237) this looks designed to test for live wires. What voltage is
determined by the voltage rating of the bulb in the barrel.
Clip the clip (looks like a bulldog clip instead of a 'gator
clip) on ground, and touch the terminal at the far end of the
insulated handle to the points to be tested.
1238) A specialized (and *very* nicely made) plane for producing a
profile in the edge of a board which would look like this (use
a fixed-pitch font to avoid distortion of the ASCII graphics):
+----+
| |
| +---+
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
~~~~~~~~ <-- more board beyond this -- not worth drawing. :-)
I think that it is called a "rabbet" plane.
Now to see what others have said.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2008-02-28, Bill Rider <[email protected]> wrote:
[ ... ]
> I wonder about 1237? What's the wand made of? What about the contact?
> How long is each wire? What sort of light bulb is in the barrel?
>
> Abilities Inc. finds employment for disabled people, some of whom are in
> wheelchairs. A person in a wheelchair may be well insulated from the
> ground. This could be an advantage or a disadvantage.
Then again -- it could be that they, like Lighthouse for the
Blind -- make things for large purchasers. Lighthouse made the ball
point pens issued in every government agency, even though the workers
never would actually *use* the product. It was a form of employment. I
suspect that Abilities Inc is a similar setup.
Enjoy,
DoN.
--
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On 2008-03-01, Christian Stüben <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi R.H.
> i just found this side concerning 1235:
> http://www.historische-apotheke.de/html/body_morser.html
> might be a hint... some of them look similar
Except that none of them have the rod with the sliding
counterweight which (along with the pour hole in the side) make me think
of a measuring bucket.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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(1234) is a date stamp for marking automobile batteries for the 'sale
date' to allow for warranty dating.
You place the numbered side on one of the lead battery posts and whack
the top side with a hammer, marking the soft lead with the date code.
Went by the wayside with the side-post batteries and new-fangled 'poke
out the dot' plastic warranty date labels. I remember seeing these in
gas stations everywhere during my mis-spent youth...
Carla
R.H. wrote:
>
>> 1234) I suspect that this was used to mark the date of manufacture
>> (month and year) on some product. Given the material, I suspect
>> that it may have been heated and burned into a wood part.
>>
>> Since it has sixteen stations, I suspect that it covers more
>> than a year. What happens when the numbers reach "12-56"? does
>> it then change to "1-57" Or does it start before "1-56"? You
>> put the changeover zone as far from the lens and as far out of
>> focus as you could manage. Was that intentional? :-)
>
>
> If I was paying closer attention when I took this shot I would have put
> the other end in the foreground, most of these are difficult enough
> already, I'm not trying to make them harder (believe it or not).
>
>
>> Could you not have come up with a more interesting one for a
>> four consecutive digits item number? :-)
>
>
> I'll have to make a mental note to save something really good for the
> next opportunity. ;-)
>
> -----
>
>
> Well, we've got a few solid answers for this set and some good
> possibilities for the others, thanks to everyone who provided answers
> and suggestions, especially to LDC for the great link on number 1237.
> The answer page can be seen here:
>
> http://pzphotosans221-6.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob