Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the opening
when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against one
of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does anybody
have a lead on this item?
Thanks,
Ivan Vegvary
Check this website about halfway down.
http://www.closetdoorproducts.com/johnson-hardware-18-in-full-access-bifold-closet-door-hardware-kit-p-4.html
"Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
>> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the
>> opening when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back
>> against one of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the
>> opening.
>>
>> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
>> anybody have a lead on this item?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ivan Vegvary
> Okay, I guess I'm not describing this well enough. The typical bi-folds
> that I have seen (closets mainly) are on a track and stack up against one
> side of the opening thereby reducing the entry space.
>
> The ad I saw in the magazine looked like the bi-folds would collapse
> (fold) in half, as expected, and then swing out of the opening and onto
> the adjacent wall of the main room.
>
> In my case I have a small office with a 26 inch door. I have removed the
> ordinary door years ago due to lack of swing space. However, I would like
> to have privacy while, for example, my wife has company and I would like
> to work on the computer. The solution I am trying to describe above would
> allow me (when open) to fold the entire assembly flat against the living
> room wall instead of it folded within the 26 inch entry space.
>
> This is advertised as a newly developed item. If I remember correctly,
> the assembly was a hinge thingy with a swing arm that allowed the unit to
> be swung into the adjacent room and sit flat (but folded) against the
> wall.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ivan Vegvary
On May 4, 10:33=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> > Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine
> > Woodworking for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing
> > OUT of the opening when in the open position. =A0In other words, the
> > door folds back against one of the adjacent walls instead of hogging
> > room within the opening.
> > Can't find the article, don't know which issue. =A0Tried Google. =A0Doe=
s
> > anybody have a lead on this item?
>
> Uhhh...every bifold door I have ever seen folds out. =A0Has to if the pan=
el
> hinges - not the pivot hinges - are on the inside of the doors where they
> belong.
>
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>
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I think I've seen them (rarely) where the pivots are in the middle of
the sections. Then when opened half the door goes out, half goes in.
The "half goes in" is what I would guess limits adoption. Often bi-
folds are on closets and this would typically require a deeper
closet. No free lunch; the space not hogged out of the room by
opening the doors is hogged out of the room permanently. For the
center pivot, the hinges could still be on the inside faces of the
doors.
hex
-30-
On Tuesday, May 4, 2010 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the opening
> when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against one
> of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
>
> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does anybody
> have a lead on this item?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ivan Vegvary
Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine
> Woodworking for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing
> OUT of the opening when in the open position. In other words, the
> door folds back against one of the adjacent walls instead of hogging
> room within the opening.
> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
> anybody have a lead on this item?
Uhhh...every bifold door I have ever seen folds out. Has to if the panel
hinges - not the pivot hinges - are on the inside of the doors where they
belong.
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[email protected]>, lcb11211@swbelldotnet
says...
>
> On 1/13/2017 10:57 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> On Tuesday, May 4, 2010 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> >>> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
> >>> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the
> >>> opening
> >>> when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against
> >>> one
> >>> of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
> >>>
> >>> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
> >>> anybody
> >>> have a lead on this item?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Ivan Vegvary
> >
> > I didn't see a question from you, [email protected], but I'm guessing
> > you also want to have bifold doors fold into the room rather than the closet
> > just like Ivan did almost 7 years ago, right? If do, that is the normal
> > way, no special hardware needed.
> >
> > Now answer a question for me: how could anyone screw up a bifold door
> > installation so they swing into the closer?
> >
> >
>
> I think he is talking about a door that will open farther than normal to
> take up less room in the opening, not make more room in the
> closet/opposite side of the opening.
>
> I think the solution would be to have bi fold doors that are wider than
> the opening and fit on the outside of the opening. Unlock the inner
> panels from the top and bottom tracks and you can swing both sides 180
> degrees against the parallel walls that they are mounted to.
My dad just didn't put the track on. Was clumsy
but worked.
On 1/13/2017 10:57 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Tuesday, May 4, 2010 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>>> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
>>> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the
>>> opening
>>> when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against
>>> one
>>> of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
>>>
>>> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
>>> anybody
>>> have a lead on this item?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ivan Vegvary
>
> I didn't see a question from you, [email protected], but I'm guessing
> you also want to have bifold doors fold into the room rather than the closet
> just like Ivan did almost 7 years ago, right? If do, that is the normal
> way, no special hardware needed.
>
> Now answer a question for me: how could anyone screw up a bifold door
> installation so they swing into the closer?
>
>
I think he is talking about a door that will open farther than normal to
take up less room in the opening, not make more room in the
closet/opposite side of the opening.
I think the solution would be to have bi fold doors that are wider than
the opening and fit on the outside of the opening. Unlock the inner
panels from the top and bottom tracks and you can swing both sides 180
degrees against the parallel walls that they are mounted to.
Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine
>> Woodworking for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing
>> OUT of the opening when in the open position. In other words, the
>> door folds back against one of the adjacent walls instead of hogging
>> room within the opening. Can't find the article, don't know which issue.
>> Tried Google. Does
>> anybody have a lead on this item?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ivan Vegvary
> Okay, I guess I'm not describing this well enough. The typical
> bi-folds that I have seen (closets mainly) are on a track and stack
> up against one side of the opening thereby reducing the entry space.
>
> The ad I saw in the magazine looked like the bi-folds would collapse
> (fold) in half, as expected, and then swing out of the opening and
> onto the adjacent wall of the main room.
>
> In my case I have a small office with a 26 inch door. I have removed
> the ordinary door years ago due to lack of swing space. However, I
> would like to have privacy while, for example, my wife has company
> and I would like to work on the computer. The solution I am trying
> to describe above would allow me (when open) to fold the entire
> assembly flat against the living room wall instead of it folded
> within the 26 inch entry space.
> This is advertised as a newly developed item. If I remember
> correctly, the assembly was a hinge thingy with a swing arm that
> allowed the unit to be swung into the adjacent room and sit flat (but
> folded) against the wall.
So you want the doors to fold against a wall in the same plane as the
opening, right? To do that, you have to move the door *out* of the opening
so that it can swing 180 degrees.
You'd have to build sort of a casing around the opening and mount the doors
to it. You could use either the track and pivot hinges or just butt hinges.
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On May 4, 2:53=A0pm, "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote:
> YES, that is the one. =A0"Johnson 1601 Hardware System"http://www.closetd=
oorproducts.com/johnson-hardware-18-in-full-access-...
Too funny!!! I was having trouble folding it out of the way but with
my new Johnson Hardware all is good now and I can bend it back out of
the way.
It's like the viagra commercial "if you experience any difficulty with
vision consult your doctor immediately" now that is one big boner if
it is obstructing your vision.
Ok, I'll slink back down into my burrow now.
On Tuesday, May 4, 2010 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the opening
> when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against one
> of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
>
> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does anybody
> have a lead on this item?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ivan Vegvary
On Tuesday, May 4, 2010 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the opening
> when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against one
> of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
>
> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does anybody
> have a lead on this item?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ivan Vegvary
"Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the opening
> when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against
> one of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
>
> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
> anybody have a lead on this item?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ivan Vegvary
Okay, I guess I'm not describing this well enough. The typical bi-folds
that I have seen (closets mainly) are on a track and stack up against one
side of the opening thereby reducing the entry space.
The ad I saw in the magazine looked like the bi-folds would collapse (fold)
in half, as expected, and then swing out of the opening and onto the
adjacent wall of the main room.
In my case I have a small office with a 26 inch door. I have removed the
ordinary door years ago due to lack of swing space. However, I would like
to have privacy while, for example, my wife has company and I would like to
work on the computer. The solution I am trying to describe above would
allow me (when open) to fold the entire assembly flat against the living
room wall instead of it folded within the 26 inch entry space.
This is advertised as a newly developed item. If I remember correctly, the
assembly was a hinge thingy with a swing arm that allowed the unit to be
swung into the adjacent room and sit flat (but folded) against the wall.
Thanks,
Ivan Vegvary
Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>
> "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine
>> Woodworking for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing
>> OUT of the opening when in the open position. In other words, the
>> door folds back against one of the adjacent walls instead of hogging
>> room within the opening.
>>
>> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
>> anybody have a lead on this item?
...
> This is advertised as a newly developed item. If I remember correctly,
> the assembly was a hinge thingy with a swing arm that allowed the unit
> to be swung into the adjacent room and sit flat (but folded) against the
> wall.
...
I don't recall seeing such an ad but it sounds more like something that
would have been in Fine Homebuilding rather than FWW (I take both and
don't recall it there, either; just seems like more appropriate venue).
If you have no clue about general time frame of the issue and you're
convinced it's actually in one, best I could do would be to use the
search engine for articles on closet storage and similar; it seems to me
they tend to have such specialized ads in conjunction w/ articles on
related or similar topics. Does the online index include the "new
products" reviews sections if it was in there by any chance?
Woodworkers Hardware might be a place to start for the search itself...
No other good ideas/leads, sorry...
--
YES, that is the one. "Johnson 1601 Hardware System"
http://www.closetdoorproducts.com/johnson-hardware-18-in-full-access-bifold-closet-door-hardware-kit-p-4.html
Thank you J. Scott !!!!
Ivan Vegvary
"J Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Check this website about halfway down.
>
> http://www.closetdoorproducts.com/johnson-hardware-18-in-full-access-bifold-closet-door-hardware-kit-p-4.html
> "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine
>>> Woodworking for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT
>>> of the opening when in the open position. In other words, the door
>>> folds back against one of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room
>>> within the opening.
>>>
>>> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
>>> anybody have a lead on this item?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ivan Vegvary
>> Okay, I guess I'm not describing this well enough. The typical bi-folds
>> that I have seen (closets mainly) are on a track and stack up against one
>> side of the opening thereby reducing the entry space.
>>
>> The ad I saw in the magazine looked like the bi-folds would collapse
>> (fold) in half, as expected, and then swing out of the opening and onto
>> the adjacent wall of the main room.
>>
>> In my case I have a small office with a 26 inch door. I have removed the
>> ordinary door years ago due to lack of swing space. However, I would
>> like to have privacy while, for example, my wife has company and I would
>> like to work on the computer. The solution I am trying to describe above
>> would allow me (when open) to fold the entire assembly flat against the
>> living room wall instead of it folded within the 26 inch entry space.
>>
>> This is advertised as a newly developed item. If I remember correctly,
>> the assembly was a hinge thingy with a swing arm that allowed the unit to
>> be swung into the adjacent room and sit flat (but folded) against the
>> wall.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ivan Vegvary
>
>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tuesday, May 4, 2010 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-4, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>> Some while back, browsing at the library, I saw an ad in Fine Woodworking
>> for bi-fold door hardware that allows the door to swing OUT of the
>> opening
>> when in the open position. In other words, the door folds back against
>> one
>> of the adjacent walls instead of hogging room within the opening.
>>
>> Can't find the article, don't know which issue. Tried Google. Does
>> anybody
>> have a lead on this item?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ivan Vegvary
I didn't see a question from you, [email protected], but I'm guessing
you also want to have bifold doors fold into the room rather than the closet
just like Ivan did almost 7 years ago, right? If do, that is the normal
way, no special hardware needed.
Now answer a question for me: how could anyone screw up a bifold door
installation so they swing into the closer?