I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but I've
grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road due
to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm spent
a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
is a list of recommended jointers by most:
Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
Jet
Shop Fox / Grizzly
Ridgid
This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left any
out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I know
plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
Brian.
"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
> getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
> experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
> understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but I've
> grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road due
> to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm spent
> a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
> is a list of recommended jointers by most:
>
> Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
> Jet
> Shop Fox / Grizzly
> Ridgid
>
> This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left any
> out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
> trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
> drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
> TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
> prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
(band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
quality this time :)
Brian wrote:
> Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I know
> plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
>
> I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
>
> Brian.
>
>
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
>>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
>>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
>>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but I've
>>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road due
>>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm spent
>>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
>>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
>>
>>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
>>Jet
>>Shop Fox / Grizzly
>>Ridgid
>>
>>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left any
>>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
>>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
>>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
>>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
>>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
>
There are problems with every brand across the board, you name it. Jet,
Delta, Grizzly, it doesn't matter. These days they all come from the same
place for the most part. Probably even the same factory for all we know.
And Grizzly has the upside of excellent customer service if and when
problems do arise. I now own a Grizzly cabinet saw, Grizzly 8" jointer, and
Grizzly Combo Nail/Staple gun. All excellent.
Brian.
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You a young fellow? Get the JET. Jointer's a basic tool that lasts
> forever. I've had a couple bad Grizz jointers in the neighborhood, and
the
> cost difference isn't going to matter after a year or two of use. The JET
> may not be the machine my 4" Rockwell was, but it's pretty nice. Consider
> the less expensive open stand machines over closed stands, which,
especially
> with the Grizzly jointer, is pretty flimsy. If you make your own cabinets
> you reuse floor space you'd waste otherwise, learn some woodworking along
> the way, and can plan your tool heights for a more efficient shop.
>
> Start haunting the want ads for old machines for future purchases.
>
> The Ridgid in the Emerson version was highly rated in every test I've
seen.
>
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
> > (band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
> > a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
> > quality this time :)
> >
> >
> > Brian wrote:
> > > Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I
know
> > > plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
> > >
> > > I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
> > >
> > > Brian.
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > >>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
> > >>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
> > >>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
> > >>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but
I've
> > >>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road
due
> > >>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm
spent
> > >>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
> > >>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
> > >>
> > >>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
> > >>Jet
> > >>Shop Fox / Grizzly
> > >>Ridgid
> > >>
> > >>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left
any
> > >>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
> > >>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
> > >>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
> > >>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
> > >>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
> > >
>
>
I wouldn't consider a bandsaw an immediate need. Maybe not even a drill
press depending on what immediate projects you have planned. No, I'd say
save the money for a good planer (I like Dewalt's DW735), and a nice router
(if you don't have one). Add a router table to the top of your project
list, and then slowly add the additional tools to your arsenal as needed.
Brian.
"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
> (band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
> a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
> quality this time :)
>
>
> Brian wrote:
> > Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I know
> > plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
> >
> > I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> > "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
> >>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
> >>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
> >>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but I've
> >>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road due
> >>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm spent
> >>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
> >>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
> >>
> >>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
> >>Jet
> >>Shop Fox / Grizzly
> >>Ridgid
> >>
> >>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left any
> >>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
> >>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
> >>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
> >>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
> >>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
> >
"Newbie Woodworker" <dashes_are_fake_y_u_n_l_o_h@not_so_hotmail.com> wrote
in message
> I have had my JET for about 3 months now and I'm very happy with it.
> Of course, I worked the now expired rebate JET was offering and got the
> jointer and mobile base for $430 after rebate (mild drive-by gloat).
>
> My first choice was a Yorkcraft but shipping killed the deal (was quoted
> $150). My second other choice was a Sunhill but the waiting list was too
> long (I would still be waiting for it, I think).
Yeah, Sunhill is a joke.
Brian.
Well, the first plan I would like to do is:
http://www.woodsmithstore.com/heirloomcrib.html
I inquired about the recommended tool list and this is what they replied
with:
Table saw (or radial arm saw)
Dado blade
Band saw (or sabre saw)
Jointer (or hand plane)
Router and router table with 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" roundover bits, 3/8"
spiral end mill bit, edge guide
Drill press with 1/8", 3/32", 3/16", 3/8" and 13/32" bits, countersink
bit, sanding drum
Framing square
Pipe or bar clamps
Small bar clamps or C-clamps
This probably isn't a beginner project but at least it's step by step :)
Brian wrote:
> I wouldn't consider a bandsaw an immediate need. Maybe not even a drill
> press depending on what immediate projects you have planned. No, I'd say
> save the money for a good planer (I like Dewalt's DW735), and a nice router
> (if you don't have one). Add a router table to the top of your project
> list, and then slowly add the additional tools to your arsenal as needed.
>
> Brian.
>
>
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
>>(band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
>>a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
>>quality this time :)
>>
>>
>>Brian wrote:
>>
>>>Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I know
>>>plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
>>>
>>>I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
>>>
>>>Brian.
>>>
>>>
>>>"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
>>>>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
>>>>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
>>>>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but I've
>>>>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road due
>>>>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm spent
>>>>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
>>>>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
>>>>
>>>>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
>>>>Jet
>>>>Shop Fox / Grizzly
>>>>Ridgid
>>>>
>>>>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left any
>>>>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
>>>>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
>>>>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
>>>>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
>>>>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
>>>
>
>
I agree with this for sure. I'm torn deciding on whether I "need" the
handwheels? The Grizzly G1182HW has those but I've heard there is quite
a bit of assembly required on these, and perhaps adjustments? I'd
prefer to do as little as possible, if that's even possible in these models.
Brian wrote:
> There are problems with every brand across the board, you name it. Jet,
> Delta, Grizzly, it doesn't matter. These days they all come from the same
> place for the most part. Probably even the same factory for all we know.
> And Grizzly has the upside of excellent customer service if and when
> problems do arise. I now own a Grizzly cabinet saw, Grizzly 8" jointer, and
> Grizzly Combo Nail/Staple gun. All excellent.
>
> Brian.
>
>
> "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>You a young fellow? Get the JET. Jointer's a basic tool that lasts
>>forever. I've had a couple bad Grizz jointers in the neighborhood, and
>
> the
>
>>cost difference isn't going to matter after a year or two of use. The JET
>>may not be the machine my 4" Rockwell was, but it's pretty nice. Consider
>>the less expensive open stand machines over closed stands, which,
>
> especially
>
>>with the Grizzly jointer, is pretty flimsy. If you make your own cabinets
>>you reuse floor space you'd waste otherwise, learn some woodworking along
>>the way, and can plan your tool heights for a more efficient shop.
>>
>>Start haunting the want ads for old machines for future purchases.
>>
>>The Ridgid in the Emerson version was highly rated in every test I've
>
> seen.
>
>>"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
>>>(band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
>>>a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
>>>quality this time :)
>>>
>>>
>>>Brian wrote:
>>>
>>>>Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I
>
> know
>
>>>>plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
>>>>
>>>>I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
>>>>
>>>>Brian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
>>>>>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
>>>>>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
>>>>>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but
>
> I've
>
>>>>>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road
>
> due
>
>>>>>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm
>
> spent
>
>>>>>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
>>>>>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
>>>>>
>>>>>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
>>>>>Jet
>>>>>Shop Fox / Grizzly
>>>>>Ridgid
>>>>>
>>>>>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left
>
> any
>
>>>>>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
>>>>>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
>>>>>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
>>>>>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
>>>>>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
>>>>
>>
>
>
"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I agree with this for sure. I'm torn deciding on whether I "need" the
> handwheels? The Grizzly G1182HW has those but I've heard there is quite
> a bit of assembly required on these, and perhaps adjustments? I'd
> prefer to do as little as possible, if that's even possible in these
models.
>
I have the G0500, which is basically the G1182HW with longer beds and bigger
motor. Oh, and 4 knife cutterhead. I assume, however, that setup is
roughly the same. And I will tell you it was no walk in the park. It just
takes a while. I really didn't have to make any adjustments, however. The
jointer was accurate right out of the box. So once I finished setup, I was
off and running.
Brian.
Right, not a beginner project. I recently made a crib, too. Time
consuming, but very repetetive. Fun project, in the end.
Brian.
"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, the first plan I would like to do is:
> http://www.woodsmithstore.com/heirloomcrib.html
>
> I inquired about the recommended tool list and this is what they replied
> with:
>
> Table saw (or radial arm saw)
> Dado blade
> Band saw (or sabre saw)
> Jointer (or hand plane)
> Router and router table with 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" roundover bits, 3/8"
> spiral end mill bit, edge guide
> Drill press with 1/8", 3/32", 3/16", 3/8" and 13/32" bits, countersink
> bit, sanding drum
> Framing square
> Pipe or bar clamps
> Small bar clamps or C-clamps
>
> This probably isn't a beginner project but at least it's step by step :)
>
>
>
> Brian wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't consider a bandsaw an immediate need. Maybe not even a drill
> > press depending on what immediate projects you have planned. No, I'd
say
> > save the money for a good planer (I like Dewalt's DW735), and a nice
router
> > (if you don't have one). Add a router table to the top of your project
> > list, and then slowly add the additional tools to your arsenal as
needed.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> > "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
> >>(band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
> >>a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
> >>quality this time :)
> >>
> >>
> >>Brian wrote:
> >>
> >>>Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I
know
> >>>plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
> >>>
> >>>I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
> >>>
> >>>Brian.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
> >>>>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
> >>>>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
> >>>>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but
I've
> >>>>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road
due
> >>>>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm
spent
> >>>>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
> >>>>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
> >>>>
> >>>>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
> >>>>Jet
> >>>>Shop Fox / Grizzly
> >>>>Ridgid
> >>>>
> >>>>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left
any
> >>>>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
> >>>>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
> >>>>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
> >>>>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
> >>>>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
> >>>
> >
> >
Sorry, I was thinking 1018HW... Disregard my comment about similarities...
In any event, I don't find handwheels to be any advantage over levers. Both
work just fine IME. Mine just happens to have handwheels.
Brian.
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I agree with this for sure. I'm torn deciding on whether I "need" the
> > handwheels? The Grizzly G1182HW has those but I've heard there is quite
> > a bit of assembly required on these, and perhaps adjustments? I'd
> > prefer to do as little as possible, if that's even possible in these
> models.
> >
>
>
> I have the G0500, which is basically the G1182HW with longer beds and
bigger
> motor. Oh, and 4 knife cutterhead. I assume, however, that setup is
> roughly the same. And I will tell you it was no walk in the park. It
just
> takes a while. I really didn't have to make any adjustments, however.
The
> jointer was accurate right out of the box. So once I finished setup, I
was
> off and running.
>
> Brian.
>
>
Nonetheless, what you make of the recommended tool list?
Brian wrote:
> Right, not a beginner project. I recently made a crib, too. Time
> consuming, but very repetetive. Fun project, in the end.
>
> Brian.
>
>
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Well, the first plan I would like to do is:
>>http://www.woodsmithstore.com/heirloomcrib.html
>>
>>I inquired about the recommended tool list and this is what they replied
>>with:
>>
>>Table saw (or radial arm saw)
>>Dado blade
>>Band saw (or sabre saw)
>>Jointer (or hand plane)
>>Router and router table with 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" roundover bits, 3/8"
>>spiral end mill bit, edge guide
>>Drill press with 1/8", 3/32", 3/16", 3/8" and 13/32" bits, countersink
>>bit, sanding drum
>>Framing square
>>Pipe or bar clamps
>>Small bar clamps or C-clamps
>>
>>This probably isn't a beginner project but at least it's step by step :)
>>
>>
>>
>>Brian wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I wouldn't consider a bandsaw an immediate need. Maybe not even a drill
>>>press depending on what immediate projects you have planned. No, I'd
>
> say
>
>>>save the money for a good planer (I like Dewalt's DW735), and a nice
>
> router
>
>>>(if you don't have one). Add a router table to the top of your project
>>>list, and then slowly add the additional tools to your arsenal as
>
> needed.
>
>>>Brian.
>>>
>>>
>>>"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
>>>>(band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
>>>>a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
>>>>quality this time :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Brian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I
>
> know
>
>>>>>plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
>>>>>>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
>>>>>>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
>>>>>>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but
>
> I've
>
>>>>>>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road
>
> due
>
>>>>>>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm
>
> spent
>
>>>>>>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
>>>>>>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
>>>>>>Jet
>>>>>>Shop Fox / Grizzly
>>>>>>Ridgid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left
>
> any
>
>>>>>>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
>>>>>>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
>>>>>>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
>>>>>>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
>>>>>>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
>>>>>
>>>
>
>
Hello George. Depends on what you call young :) I've been all over the
classifieds, in fact that's where I picked up the table saw. Thanks
for your input on Jet.
George wrote:
> You a young fellow? Get the JET. Jointer's a basic tool that lasts
> forever. I've had a couple bad Grizz jointers in the neighborhood, and the
> cost difference isn't going to matter after a year or two of use. The JET
> may not be the machine my 4" Rockwell was, but it's pretty nice. Consider
> the less expensive open stand machines over closed stands, which, especially
> with the Grizzly jointer, is pretty flimsy. If you make your own cabinets
> you reuse floor space you'd waste otherwise, learn some woodworking along
> the way, and can plan your tool heights for a more efficient shop.
>
> Start haunting the want ads for old machines for future purchases.
>
> The Ridgid in the Emerson version was highly rated in every test I've seen.
>
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
>>(band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
>>a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
>>quality this time :)
>>
>>
>>Brian wrote:
>>
>>>Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I know
>>>plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
>>>
>>>I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
>>>
>>>Brian.
>>>
>>>
>>>"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
>>>>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
>>>>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
>>>>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but I've
>>>>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road due
>>>>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm spent
>>>>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
>>>>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
>>>>
>>>>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
>>>>Jet
>>>>Shop Fox / Grizzly
>>>>Ridgid
>>>>
>>>>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left any
>>>>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
>>>>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
>>>>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
>>>>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
>>>>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
>>>
>
>
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
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> Think the difference is in quality control at the outset.
I don't buy it. Have seen too many Griz, Delta, Jet side by side. Move up
to General or Powermatic, and then we have something to talk about.
Brian.
Brian <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Yeah, Sunhill is a joke.
>
> Brian.
>
Not to start an argument, but... :) My joke has been a great purchase.
Others have mentioned long waits, and I did wait a short time for mine to be
delivered, but the machine is excellent for the price. It was worth the
wait. That said, I'm sure others, of equal or greater quality, possibly
without the wait, are available.
Brian
> > spiral end mill bit, edge guide
> Spiral bit and edge guide for the router?
> Hmm - edge guide not necessarily on my buy-first list. One came with my PC
> router kit (PC 693VSPK) and I've never used it it.
This is exactly how I do mortising. Spiral upcut bit and edge guide with
plunge router. Very handy.
Wasn't a knock on the machinery, as I'm sure it is up to par with all the
other Chinese imports. But the joke is their service rep saying "next week"
for months on end.
Brian.
"Brian Mahaney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Brian <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > Yeah, Sunhill is a joke.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
>
> Not to start an argument, but... :) My joke has been a great purchase.
> Others have mentioned long waits, and I did wait a short time for mine to
be
> delivered, but the machine is excellent for the price. It was worth the
> wait. That said, I'm sure others, of equal or greater quality, possibly
> without the wait, are available.
>
> Brian
>
>
Again, all the chinese/taiwanese imports are very alike. Griz and Delta and
Jet and side by side reveal very little difference in terms of castings of
the trunions, tables, etc in the realm of cabinet saws, jointers, etc. Been
there, done that. It's the same stuff, and in fact so similar I'd be hard
pressed to believe most of it didn't come from the same factory abroad.
These machines are spec'ed the same, feel the same while operating, and for
the most part look the same down to the nitty gritties. My point was simply
that to truly differentiate these machines from others, one would have to
bring General International or Powermatic into play for real uniqueness.
Because once you move down from there to albeit lower priced metal, you're
getting damn close to the same thing from just about any branded tool.
Brian.
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
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> Hogwash. Unless you're speaking of General International, you're setting
> up straw men.
>
> The discussion was about Grizzly and Chiwan clones.
>
>
> "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Think the difference is in quality control at the outset.
> >
> > I don't buy it. Have seen too many Griz, Delta, Jet side by side. Move
> up
> > to General or Powermatic, and then we have something to talk about.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
>
>
Brian <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Wasn't a knock on the machinery, as I'm sure it is up to par with all the
> other Chinese imports. But the joke is their service rep saying "next
week"
> for months on end.
>
> Brian.
Yeah, I wanted to point out that the machine is fine. I didn't have to wait
for months, but I am hearing more and more stories of that kind of service.
It's a shame. I hope they get their act together.
Brian
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Ever see a DJ-15? <G>
>
> Barry
>
Sure. Ever see a G9859? <G>
Brian.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What would a $2000 8" machine have to do with them?
>
> Barry
Nothing, really. Grizzly hasn't produced a 6" with this design. But now,
consider the DJ-20. Prior to freight charges, its darn close to G9859. So
an in-depth comparison of the two would be quite interesting. I *think*
they use the (exact) same non-dovetailed table adjusting mechanism (is there
a name for it?). Sure does make ya wonder.
Brian.
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:58:53 -0700, "Brian" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"George" <george@least> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Think the difference is in quality control at the outset.
>
>I don't buy it. Have seen too many Griz, Delta, Jet side by side. Move up
>to General or Powermatic, and then we have something to talk about.
I think it depends on the level of the tool. Grizzly "industrial"
stuff is nearly the same price as "name brand" stuff, and of decent
quality. It's the low-end consumer grade stuff that's cheaper. I was
recently noticing that I can get a DJ-30 and a Grizzly 12" jointer for
about the same price.
Higher end Delta stuff compares favorably with General and Powermatic.
Lower end Delta stuff is crap, lower end Powermatic is often gold
painted Jet, and General International is the same as Grizzly.
I have some of each! <G>
Barry
You a young fellow? Get the JET. Jointer's a basic tool that lasts
forever. I've had a couple bad Grizz jointers in the neighborhood, and the
cost difference isn't going to matter after a year or two of use. The JET
may not be the machine my 4" Rockwell was, but it's pretty nice. Consider
the less expensive open stand machines over closed stands, which, especially
with the Grizzly jointer, is pretty flimsy. If you make your own cabinets
you reuse floor space you'd waste otherwise, learn some woodworking along
the way, and can plan your tool heights for a more efficient shop.
Start haunting the want ads for old machines for future purchases.
The Ridgid in the Emerson version was highly rated in every test I've seen.
"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thanks Brian... Got any good info on the other 3 needed components?
> (band saw, drill press and planer). I'm just starting out, just merely
> a hobby but I've been burned enough times on low-end stuff, so I'll buy
> quality this time :)
>
>
> Brian wrote:
> > Like I said last time you asked, the Grizzlys are nice machines. I know
> > plenty of woodworkers who use Griz 6" and are more than pleased.
> >
> > I'd avoid Ridgid anyhow. But that's just me.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> > "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>I had the delta benchtop model but returned it. I was real close to
> >>getting a Ridgid jointer and Drill press but due to a horrible
> >>experience with Home Depot they have lost a customer for life. I
> >>understand Ridgid can now be bought from other select companies but I've
> >>grown concerned about any potential parts replacement down the road due
> >>to the changes in Ridgid. So here I am, back to sqaure one. I'm spent
> >>a bit of time searching groups.google on rec.woodworking and what this
> >>is a list of recommended jointers by most:
> >>
> >>Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ]
> >>Jet
> >>Shop Fox / Grizzly
> >>Ridgid
> >>
> >>This basically rounds up the most recommended list. If I have left any
> >>out please add them. I'm just looking for some guidance here. I'm
> >>trying to equip my shop with the 5 basic (table saw, jointer, planer,
> >>drill press and band saw) and so far I only have a table saw (Ridgid
> >>TS2424). I was pretty close to buying all ridgid, and I would have
> >>prefered to do just that. However, Home Depot got in the way of that.
> >
Yep. That customer service has furnished our school shop with a lot of
replacement parts. None have improved the poorly annealed castings or
flimsy design/construction one iota. Finally gave up on the bandsaw,
jointer, and drill press. Still struggling with the belt/disc (worthless
because table is) sander.
Planer works good.
Think the difference is in quality control at the outset. For instance, in
the stamping plant, you could have more defects in a Ford part than the same
for a Mercury nameplate.
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> And Grizzly has the upside of excellent customer service if and when
> problems do arise. I now own a Grizzly cabinet saw, Grizzly 8" jointer,
and
> Grizzly Combo Nail/Staple gun. All excellent.
Hogwash. Unless you're speaking of General International, you're setting
up straw men.
The discussion was about Grizzly and Chiwan clones.
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Think the difference is in quality control at the outset.
>
> I don't buy it. Have seen too many Griz, Delta, Jet side by side. Move
up
> to General or Powermatic, and then we have something to talk about.
>
> Brian.
>
>
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:47:18 -0700, "Brian" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>
>> Ever see a DJ-15? <G>
>>
>> Barry
>>
>
>Sure. Ever see a G9859? <G>
>
>Brian.
I have now!
I brought up the DJ-15 because it's so different than the typical
Chiwanese 6" machine that this thread is about.
What would a $2000 8" machine have to do with them?
Barry
John Smith <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Nonetheless, what you make of the recommended tool list?
>
>>>
>>>Table saw (or radial arm saw)
>>>Dado blade
>>>Band saw (or sabre saw)
>>>Jointer (or hand plane)
>>>Router and router table with 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" roundover bits, 3/8"
>>>spiral end mill bit, edge guide
>>>Drill press with 1/8", 3/32", 3/16", 3/8" and 13/32" bits,
>>>countersink bit, sanding drum
>>>Framing square
>>>Pipe or bar clamps
>>>Small bar clamps or C-clamps
>>>
>>>This probably isn't a beginner project but at least it's step by step
>>>:)
You have the table saw already, right?
The dado stack should cost about $100 (Freud SD208 will do nicely; there
are others. And you'll use this for many other projects.
I don't see where this project would require a band saw. There are only
two pieces with curves, and there are many ways to make those curves,
without spending the money on the band saw. That said, you MAY in the
future decide you need a band saw; just not for this project.
If you have your tablesaw properly set up, there won't be all that much for
the jointer to have to do. Mostly, cleaning up the rip surfaces on the
many, many, many boards. Sanding, a good handplane (#5 or larger), a
'glue-line rip' blade, your new router table...
The router is a necessary tool. Buy a good one. Make your own table and
simple fence. Do you homework at www.patwarner.com. I don't know of
anybody more knowledgable, or more pragmatic, regarding these useful tools,
than Pat. Should you decide that you wish to do business with him, for
some of his goodies, you will find him refreshingly easy and
straightforward to work with.
The drill press is a useful tool, although you could probably get by with
an electric hand drill, unless the plans have you cutting a bunch of
mortises with the drill press. Since there are a bunch of ways to do this
joinery, and I haven't seen THESE plans, it's hard to tell. I bought a
$350 floor standing variable speed Delta last winter, and have been
pleasantly surprised by just how much use I've gotten from it. A benchtop
model on a rolling stand might be just fine for your needs.
Clamps. Clamps. Clamps. Can't have too many. You CAN have the wrong kind,
and you can spend a lot more than you need to. But that wasn't really what
you were asking about in this list, was it?
What I see missing, at least from my perception of how I would build this
project, is a means of repeatably thicknessing stock to size. A benchtop
size planer, with a stand, would be on my list. I have been very satisfied
with the Emerson-era Ridgid TP 1300 I got at Home Depot. Lots of folks who
hang out here have expressed opinions on planers. Check them out.
Have fun with this, and more importantly, congratulations on the addition
to the family!
Patriarch
"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> I agree with this for sure. I'm torn deciding on whether I "need" the
> handwheels? The Grizzly G1182HW has those but I've heard there is quite
I went with the handwheels - but only because it was the Jet 6" and the
price was too low to pass up (closeout at a local retailer). I too
*thought* handwheels would be more useful than levels, but it turns out I've
set the depth once, for a light cut, (about 8 months) ago and almost never
touched it again.
I buy S3S so that may have something to do with it.
But now I believe, handwheels or levers would be no-big-diff.
Brian wrote:
> "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
>>Ever see a DJ-15? <G>
>>
>>Barry
>>
>
>
> Sure. Ever see a G9859? <G>
>
> Brian.
>
>
Stopped in at Grizzly.com to take a look and found the G9859Z also.
Someone in marketing slipped up editing the copy for this one. A helical
8" wide head with only 3 blades:-)
Joe
"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> Table saw (or radial arm saw)
Table Saw's one of the four cornerstone tools in a shop.
This would be on my "Buy First" list.
> Dado blade
If budget is very tight - you can get by without this.
If budget is tight, and you've got a lot of dados to cut - there are
inexpensive, but workable offeringes.
This would be on my "Buy Third" list.
> Band saw (or sabre saw)
Band Saw's one of the four cornerstone tools in the shop.
That said, I got along for a year with a good jigsaw (Bosch, Milwaukee).
I got along for another few months with a $99 Delta Shopmaster Bandsaw from
Lowes.
When I popped for the 14" Jet - things got much easier.
This would be on my "Buy Second" list.
> Jointer (or hand plane)
Jointer is the third of the four cornerstone tools in the shop.
Again - if you buy it - you'll find yourself using it all of the time.
But you can buy S4S, or use the other tools to get by.
This would be on my "Buy Second" list.
> Router and router table with 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" roundover bits, 3/8"
Router would be on my "Buy First" list.
See www.patwarner.com for recommendations on a good first router.
I would not buy a router table immediately.
I would buy the bits as I need them. I use 1/8" roundover a-lot! I use 1/4
and 1/2" roundovers much less.
> spiral end mill bit, edge guide
Spiral bit and edge guide for the router?
Hmm - edge guide not necessarily on my buy-first list. One came with my PC
router kit (PC 693VSPK) and I've never used it it.
Spiral bit? Yes - I use my Whiteside flush trim spiral up-cut alot.
> Drill press with 1/8", 3/32", 3/16", 3/8" and 13/32" bits, countersink
A drill press would be on my "Buy Second" list.
I went with a 12" reconditioned Delta Benchtop for $125 from ToolKing and do
not regret it.
When it comes to bits - you should *invest* in a good set of one of: Brad
Points, Forstners and "regular' plain 'ol" bits. I invested in a good set
of Brad Points (WL Fuller and Lee Valley have good ones). I went with a
cheap set of Forstners (and have been replacing them one at a time, as
needed, with better ones). For regular bits, I like to pick up Black and
Decker sets from WalMart. I don't feel bad about tossing them when they're
dull.
> bit, sanding drum
I started off with a cheapo sanding drum from Harbor Freight. Did the job.
> Framing square
Hmmm... Yeah - they're only a few bucks. But to build furniture, I think
you'll need something like an accurate combination square. I invested in a
Starrett.
> Pipe or bar clamps
> Small bar clamps or C-clamps
You'll never have too many clamps.
I started off with some Harbor Freight and Big Lot bar clamps. Super cheap.
Slowly, they're getting replaced with Besseys (I do like those new Irwin bar
clamps!)
I wouldn't buy a ton of C-clamps, maybe four tops. They have limited use in
furniture making (they can squeeze too hard). Nor am I a fan of pipe
clamps, I prefer bar clamps.
> Yorkcraft / Bridgewood [shipping quote was 105$ :( ] Jet
> Shop Fox / Grizzly
> Ridgid
I have had my JET for about 3 months now and I'm very happy with it.
Of course, I worked the now expired rebate JET was offering and got the
jointer and mobile base for $430 after rebate (mild drive-by gloat).
My first choice was a Yorkcraft but shipping killed the deal (was quoted
$150). My second other choice was a Sunhill but the waiting list was too
long (I would still be waiting for it, I think).
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:33:02 -0700, "Brian" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> What would a $2000 8" machine have to do with them?
>>
>> Barry
>
>Nothing, really. Grizzly hasn't produced a 6" with this design. But now,
>consider the DJ-20. Prior to freight charges, its darn close to G9859. So
>an in-depth comparison of the two would be quite interesting. I *think*
>they use the (exact) same non-dovetailed table adjusting mechanism (is there
>a name for it?). Sure does make ya wonder.
>
>Brian.
>
It is very similar The Grizz dosen't have the DJ-20's kick ass
infeed table, but I think it has more power. Then there's the lever
vs. wheel preference thing. Having used both, I can really care less
which one a jointer has.
What's really weird is that I can buy a DJ-20 locally for $1350. The
Grizz is $2156 delivered. I can get a DJ-30 for about $2400! <G>
This makes my point dead on about Grizzly's higher end tools. They
really AREN'T cheaper than the "Name Brand" folks when you compare
apples to apples, but they look nice. I think you gets what you payz
for, no matter who makes it.
That Grizz really looks like a nice tool, do you have one?
Barry
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:55:31 -0700, "Brian" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Again, all the chinese/taiwanese imports are very alike. Griz and Delta and
>Jet and side by side reveal very little difference in terms of castings of
>the trunions, tables, etc in the realm of cabinet saws, jointers, etc. Been
>there, done that. It's the same stuff, and in fact so similar I'd be hard
>pressed to believe most of it didn't come from the same factory abroad.
Ever see a DJ-15? <G>
Barry