Folks,
I'd like to build a bookcase nearly the size of a closet door.
The rub is that I want it to function as a door. Any ideas, websites,
books, etc... that anyone can recommend? Hardware sources?
This bookcase may or may not go all the way to the floor.
I've tried Googling, but I don't think I have the right terms.
Thanks!
Barry
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:44:51 -0600, "MRe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Here is another site I found
>
>http://www.hiddendoors.com/
Thanks again!
Barry
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:38:53 -0600, "MRe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Here is what you are looking for.
>
>http://www.allbuilders.com/door_hdn1.html
THANKS!!
That's exactly what I'm looking to build.
Barry
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:08:46 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Folks,
> I'd like to build a bookcase nearly the size of a closet door.
>The rub is that I want it to function as a door. Any ideas, websites,
>books, etc... that anyone can recommend? Hardware sources?
>
>This bookcase may or may not go all the way to the floor.
>
>I've tried Googling, but I don't think I have the right terms.
Here's a design suggestion...taken from a VCR tape storage case that I
own...
Build the bookcase you want...full width and height.
Then build another one...only this one will be TWO cases. Each will
be roughly half the width of the first one...same depth and height.
These two will be installed FACING the original bookshelf...so all
you'll see will be the backside of these two. They get mounted to the
original case with hinges on the left and right sides. European
hinges will probably work fine. At any rate, these hinges are mounted
on the inside...so they never show.
The 2 half-doors/bookcases open from the center...hinged on the left
and right. When open, you have book storage on the full-width, inside
bookcase. And you also have book storage on each of these doors. You
don't see any of the books until you open the bookcase/doors.
Pretty simple design really...and the doors double as both door and
shelves.
One caveat...
The hinges will mount on the front-most part of the sides...on the
inside...both on the back case and on the door cases. Because of
this, the bookcase can't be built from wall to wall. You must leave
room on either side of the bookcase equal roughly to the depth of the
shelves of the doors.
Let us know what you decide. Sounds like a nice project.
Good luck.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
Here is what you are looking for.
http://www.allbuilders.com/door_hdn1.html
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Folks,
> I'd like to build a bookcase nearly the size of a closet door.
> The rub is that I want it to function as a door. Any ideas, websites,
> books, etc... that anyone can recommend? Hardware sources?
>
> This bookcase may or may not go all the way to the floor.
>
> I've tried Googling, but I don't think I have the right terms.
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
>
Here is another site I found
http://www.hiddendoors.com/
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Folks,
> I'd like to build a bookcase nearly the size of a closet door.
> The rub is that I want it to function as a door. Any ideas, websites,
> books, etc... that anyone can recommend? Hardware sources?
>
> This bookcase may or may not go all the way to the floor.
>
> I've tried Googling, but I don't think I have the right terms.
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
>
Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 9:44am (EST-1) [email protected] (MRe) says:
Here is another site I found <snip>
Neat. Now how about coming up with some sites on how to mak secret
compartments, hiding spaces, etc.? I'm having a run of non-finding on
something like that. I've googled so much, it overheated, and I had to
let it cool down. LOL
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 6 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>,
T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 9:44am (EST-1) [email protected] (MRe) says:
>Here is another site I found <snip>
>
> Neat. Now how about coming up with some sites on how to mak secret
>compartments, hiding spaces, etc.? I'm having a run of non-finding on
>something like that. I've googled so much, it overheated, and I had to
>let it cool down. LOL
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873642899/002-8495783-3095264?v=glance>
Your local library likely carries the book(s), -or- can get it on 'inter-
library loan'.
Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 11:24pm (EST+5) [email protected]
([email protected]=A0()) posts: Your local library likely
carries the book(s), -or- can get it on 'inter-
library loan'.
I may check the library, haven't been there in a bit, but not
buying any book without holding it in my hot little hands and checking
the content first.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 7 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:59:09 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
wrote:
> I may check the library, haven't been there in a bit, but not
>buying any book without holding it in my hot little hands and checking
>the content first.
I do that all the time. I'm on a first name basis with out
librarians. <G>
I also get satisfaction from using a service I'm already paying for.
Barry
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> writes:
> Folks,
> I'd like to build a bookcase nearly the size of a closet door.
> The rub is that I want it to function as a door. Any ideas, websites,
> books, etc... that anyone can recommend? Hardware sources?
Think abaout a way to secure the books in case someone slams that
door: You would not want then books to fall out on rapid acceleration
of the case.
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In article <[email protected]>,
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <*removethis*[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:22:44 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
>wrote:
>
>> I would think more than the regular number of hinges too, lots
>>more. Are there any huge piano hinges available?
>>
>> So, what were your search phrases then, Barry?
>
>Good points so far. I want to completely conceal any hinges. I was
>thinking of using good ballbearing turntables at the top and bottom of
>one side, and a urethane wheel on the other side.
>
>I've searched with various combinations of "secret compartment moving
>bookcase door"
>
>Thanks,
>Barry
There are two "traditional" designs for this type of 'concealed' entrance.
One is much like a "pocket door", where the assembly slides sideways into
the wall. By using a fixed toe-plate, and building the floor-level in the
hidden space flush with the top of the toe-plate, with 'facade' of the
bookcase projecting -below- the top of the toe-plate, and using 'overhanging
trim on the other three sides -- the 'movability' of the case can be made
truly invisible.
The other traditional design design works like a swinging door. The design
secret here is that it is hinged at the _back_ of the case, and the swing
is -into- the 'hidden' space. It requires some 'dead space' on the "latch"
side of the enclosure, to accommodate the fact that the 'effective width'
of the door/bookcase (for 'swing', that is) is the _diagonal_ of the construct.
There's a book called something like "How to Hide Practically ANYTHING",
that's one of the best resources around on building "hidden doors", as well
as other places of concealment.
NOTE: Using casters under the case is probably a _good_idea_.
I've been shopping for "heavy duty" hinges for a different application,
but with similar load-bearing requirements. Trying to find information
is *nearly*impossible*. Practically _nobody_ publishes, or even _admits_
to any specific "load capacity" for their hinges. There are a _few_
sources that do, but the prices are way up there. From a manufacturer
who _does_ build "load rated" hinges, I had a price -- for 'simple butt hinges'
that were rated for a load of 250 lbs/pair -- of $25 _per_hinge_. I had
an estimated load of approx 300 lbs, so I was looking at 3 hinges. The
project calls for 6 such hinged panels -- looked like around $200 in void-
free ply, and about $500 in 'hardware'. *ouch* <wry grin>
It turns out that piano hinges carry high loads _much_ better. Even though
they're not "load rated", 1000 lb loads on 6' hinges are readily handled.
Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 1:42pm (EST+6) [email protected]
(Juergen=A0Hannappel) says:
Think abaout a way to secure the books in case someone slams that door:
You would not want then books to fall out on rapid acceleration of the
case.
Yeah, good point. One of those door stopper from closing fast
thingiess might work. Hell, I don't know what they're called. Or, if
it's a secret door, could possible use some sort of remove opening and
closing mechanisim. But, if he used an electric mechanism, would have
to have some sort of manual over-ride, in case of power outage.
I would think more than the regular number of hinges too, lots
more. Are there any huge piano hinges available?
So, what were your search phrases then, Barry?
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 6 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:22:44 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
wrote:
> I would think more than the regular number of hinges too, lots
>more. Are there any huge piano hinges available?
>
> So, what were your search phrases then, Barry?
Good points so far. I want to completely conceal any hinges. I was
thinking of using good ballbearing turntables at the top and bottom of
one side, and a urethane wheel on the other side.
I've searched with various combinations of "secret compartment moving
bookcase door"
Thanks,
Barry
Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 3:47pm (EST+5) From:
[email protected]
(B=A0a=A0r=A0r=A0y=A0B=A0u=A0r=A0k=A0e=A0J=A0r=A0.) furtively says:
<snip> I want to completely conceal any hinges. <snip>
Building a new house, and want to hide from the old lady, eh?
LMAO
Figured so. Making a large/long piano hinge isn't exactly rocket
sciene, but you would need a decent welder, and, preferably, something
more than a hacksaw to cut metal with. Then you need to have it all
aligned properly, or it won't work well. Basically cut a section of
pipe into sections, then weld every other piece to one side of whatever
you're going to use for one side of the hinge (maybe angle iron), and
the others to the other piece. Then a piece of close fitting pipe or
rod thru it all. Best way to weld might be to put the angle iron
together, clamping the pipe to them, marking off the lengths to be cut
(can do that first), then do the welding, then cut the pipe. That
should insure better accuracy of the fit.
There's more ways you can make a hinge like that, but I can't
recall any just now. One of the metalworking groups would probably know
more, and possibly would even have illustrated directions. I would
start with looking thru their archives, and only ask if I couldn't find
anything I wanted.
That's if you want to make your own. If your're buying, I don't
know, unless you want to go with a batch of hinges, and count on getting
them all aligned so they work well. Would be kind of neat to have those
hinges that close a door by themselves. Never have to worry about
leaving it open that way. Of course, if you didn't have some sort of a
catch, all it would take would be someone leaning on it, and no more
secret door.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 6 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:23:34 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
wrote:
>Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 3:47pm (EST+5) From:
>[email protected]
>(B a r r y B u r k e J r .) furtively says:
><snip> I want to completely conceal any hinges. <snip>
>
> Building a new house, and want to hide from the old lady, eh?
>LMAO
>
Actually, it's in a friend of mine's home. It's a Christmas gift for
his wife.
>leaving it open that way. Of course, if you didn't have some sort of a
>catch, all it would take would be someone leaning on it, and no more
>secret door.
Which is why I was thinking pivot over hinge. We may go in the
pocket door, sliding style, direction.
Thanks,
Barry
I have built several of these swinging type using onlt Piano hinges,
Ironically I had a call yesterday from a lady that wants me to do one.
I have not measured the Job location but have some other ideas at to a pivot
system.
I once built a revolving bookcase I'll try to post it On APBW I never posted
there before but will give it a try
There will be two Pics on Open One closed
George
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> B a r r y B u r k e J r . <*removethis*[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:22:44 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I would think more than the regular number of hinges too, lots
> >>more. Are there any huge piano hinges available?
> >>
> >> So, what were your search phrases then, Barry?
> >
> >Good points so far. I want to completely conceal any hinges. I was
> >thinking of using good ballbearing turntables at the top and bottom of
> >one side, and a urethane wheel on the other side.
> >
> >I've searched with various combinations of "secret compartment moving
> >bookcase door"
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Barry
>
> There are two "traditional" designs for this type of 'concealed' entrance.
>
> One is much like a "pocket door", where the assembly slides sideways into
> the wall. By using a fixed toe-plate, and building the floor-level in the
> hidden space flush with the top of the toe-plate, with 'facade' of the
> bookcase projecting -below- the top of the toe-plate, and using
'overhanging
> trim on the other three sides -- the 'movability' of the case can be made
> truly invisible.
>
> The other traditional design design works like a swinging door. The
design
> secret here is that it is hinged at the _back_ of the case, and the swing
> is -into- the 'hidden' space. It requires some 'dead space' on the
"latch"
> side of the enclosure, to accommodate the fact that the 'effective width'
> of the door/bookcase (for 'swing', that is) is the _diagonal_ of the
construct.
>
> There's a book called something like "How to Hide Practically ANYTHING",
> that's one of the best resources around on building "hidden doors", as
well
> as other places of concealment.
>
>
> NOTE: Using casters under the case is probably a _good_idea_.
> I've been shopping for "heavy duty" hinges for a different application,
> but with similar load-bearing requirements. Trying to find information
> is *nearly*impossible*. Practically _nobody_ publishes, or even _admits_
> to any specific "load capacity" for their hinges. There are a _few_
> sources that do, but the prices are way up there. From a manufacturer
> who _does_ build "load rated" hinges, I had a price -- for 'simple butt
hinges'
> that were rated for a load of 250 lbs/pair -- of $25 _per_hinge_. I had
> an estimated load of approx 300 lbs, so I was looking at 3 hinges. The
> project calls for 6 such hinged panels -- looked like around $200 in void-
> free ply, and about $500 in 'hardware'. *ouch* <wry grin>
>
> It turns out that piano hinges carry high loads _much_ better. Even
though
> they're not "load rated", 1000 lb loads on 6' hinges are readily handled.
>