"Han" wrote:
> I am unsure whether I ever signed up, but do not get their emails
> (yet),
> and could just download the pdf without having to sign in/log on:
> http://www.woodsmithshop.com/download/211/lumberrack.pdf
I gave you a link that let you in the back door.
If you go thru the front door,
http://www.woodsmithshop.com/
then you must register to gain download access.
Lew
"Steve Turner" wrote:
> I mean that the support rails and shelf bars have a thin profile and
> don't steal away any significant horizontal or vertical space that
> could otherwise be used as wood storage, like this one does:
>
> http://www.woodsmithshop.com/download/211/lumberrack.pdf
The vertical rail is 4" wide.
Is that what you are commenting about?
Lew
"Steve Turner" wrote:
> Most of the wood racks being described in the other replies to this
> thread are constructed of wood; not only do they chew up a lot of
> space, they flat-out make me nervous! I have this rack system from
> Grizzly:
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/18-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2536
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Wood-Rack-Bars-Pair-/H2534
>
> *Very* sturdy and *very* cost effective, and they take up almost no
> real estate to speak of. I can't imagine building my own with
> something like this available.
-------------------------------------------------
Not sure what "and they take up almost no real estate
> to speak of" means since either rack has a similar foot print.
The WSS plan is a little sneaky in the neat way they distribute
possible lateral loads across two 3/4" pieces of ply with a 3/4" space
between them on each shelf bracket which is clearly a design
improvement over the Grizzley.
The "French Cleat" attachment to the wall is a well documented and
proven technique.
There is a minor weakness in the design IMHO since the raw plywood
edge of the brackets are exposed to the stock being stored.
A simple fix would be to attach a 3/4"x14"xshelf length oak runner to
protect raw ply edge.
Whatever floats your boat.
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Lew,
>
> I certainly appreciate the pointers to the PDF files, but
> I have to ask: are the available to anyone going to
> the Woodsmith website?
>
> I pay for the access to the site and have the availablity
> to access all of their plans and articles. So I'm curious.
If you sign up and allow them to send the free weekly e-mail tips, you
get access to the free plans.
Lew
Thanks now I understand the design.
Russ
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Russ Stanton wrote:
>> Can you post a pic or two on abpw?
>> Russ
>
> I put them on my site in a zip
> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/pix/lumber_rack.zip
>
> dadiOH
> ________________
>
>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> GarageWoodworks wrote:
>>>> On Nov 20, 12:45 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>> Neat design. I did something similar a few years ago:
>>>
>>> Yeah, me too. Last summer. My problem was that it was on a concrete
>>> block wall which would have required a lot of PITA drilling if I
>>> depended on the CB wall for support. I didn't. Instead...
>>>
>>> 1. 5 - 2x4 uprights, floor to ceiling length
>>>
>>> 2. Uprights hooked together on edge at 24" interval by two pieces of
>>> 3/4" ply about 5-6 inches wide set into the uprights at about 18-24"
>>> from top and bottom of uprights.
>>>
>>> 3. Hooked together uprights were attached to wall with screws into
>>> the furring strips under the drywall.
>>>
>>> 4. Arms are 21" 2x4s lapped on each side with pieces of 3/4" ply;
>>> the ply pieces are longer than the 2x4 so the ply fully overlaps the
>>> uprights and are attached to them with 2 - 1/4" bolts. Each upright
>>> has four arms. Now, that isn't going to hold up much weight before the
>>> screws pull
>>> out of the furring strips so...
>>>
>>> 5. I made a plinth of PT 2x4s that is butted against the uprights and
>>> Tapconed to the floor. It has a piece of 1/4 ply on top so that
>>> sawdust doesn't accumulate inside.
>>>
>>> That helps hold the rack up but not all that much. What *really*
>>> holds it up is...
>>>
>>> 6. A 2x4 across the front of the uprights at the ceiling and lagged
>>> to each truss.
>>>
>>> At the moment I have about 1500 punds of lumber on it, steady as a
>>> rock. --
>>>
>>> dadiOH
>>> ____________________________
>>>
>>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>
>
>
GarageWoodworks wrote:
> On Nov 20, 12:45 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>>
>> Lew
>
> Neat design. I did something similar a few years ago:
Yeah, me too. Last summer. My problem was that it was on a concrete block
wall which would have required a lot of PITA drilling if I depended on the
CB wall for support. I didn't. Instead...
1. 5 - 2x4 uprights, floor to ceiling length
2. Uprights hooked together on edge at 24" interval by two pieces of 3/4"
ply about 5-6 inches wide set into the uprights at about 18-24" from top and
bottom of uprights.
3. Hooked together uprights were attached to wall with screws into the
furring strips under the drywall.
4. Arms are 21" 2x4s lapped on each side with pieces of 3/4" ply; the ply
pieces are longer than the 2x4 so the ply fully overlaps the uprights and
are attached to them with 2 - 1/4" bolts. Each upright has four arms.
Now, that isn't going to hold up much weight before the screws pull out of
the furring strips so...
5. I made a plinth of PT 2x4s that is butted against the uprights and
Tapconed to the floor. It has a piece of 1/4 ply on top so that sawdust
doesn't accumulate inside.
That helps hold the rack up but not all that much. What *really* holds it
up is...
6. A 2x4 across the front of the uprights at the ceiling and lagged to each
truss.
At the moment I have about 1500 punds of lumber on it, steady as a rock.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
On Nov 22, 7:57=A0am, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
> > Most of the wood racks being described in the other replies to this
> > thread are constructed of wood; not only do they chew up a lot of space=
,
> > they flat-out make me nervous! =A0
>
> Mine doesn't take up much space since it hangs off the ceiling rafters.
> =A0 =A0It will not fail unless the house fails.
>
> http://jbstein.com/Flick/WoodStorage.jpg
>
> The one I use now with a finished ceiling is a little more nerve
> jangling, but I saw it somewhere and had some free pipe laying around
> and built it. =A0It's been on the block wall for 20 years and still
> hanging in there, but, unlike my first one, it makes me a little nervous.
>
> http://jbstein.com/Flick/PipeWoodRack.jpg
Mine is very similar, 4X4 lagged to the wall, 1-inch holes every six
inches or so, inclined about 5 degrees to receive galvanized pipe 18
inches long. Works great.
Luigi
On Nov 20, 12:45=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>
> Lew
Neat design. I did something similar a few years ago:
http://www.garagewoodworks.com/lumberstorage.php
Quickest way to clean up a shop!
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:0101bc2b$0$23240
[email protected]:
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Lew,
>>
>> I certainly appreciate the pointers to the PDF files, but
>> I have to ask: are the available to anyone going to
>> the Woodsmith website?
>>
>> I pay for the access to the site and have the availablity
>> to access all of their plans and articles. So I'm curious.
>
> If you sign up and allow them to send the free weekly e-mail tips, you
> get access to the free plans.
>
> Lew
I am unsure whether I ever signed up, but do not get their emails (yet),
and could just download the pdf without having to sign in/log on:
http://www.woodsmithshop.com/download/211/lumberrack.pdf
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:00a8d379$0$12348
[email protected]:
>
> "Han" wrote:
>
>> I am unsure whether I ever signed up, but do not get their emails
>> (yet),
>> and could just download the pdf without having to sign in/log on:
>> http://www.woodsmithshop.com/download/211/lumberrack.pdf
>
> I gave you a link that let you in the back door.
>
> If you go thru the front door,
>
> http://www.woodsmithshop.com/
>
> then you must register to gain download access.
>
> Lew
Thanks, Lew!
--
Best regards
Han
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Russ Stanton wrote:
> Can you post a pic or two on abpw?
> Russ
I put them on my site in a zip
http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/pix/lumber_rack.zip
dadiOH
________________
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> GarageWoodworks wrote:
>>> On Nov 20, 12:45 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>
>>> Neat design. I did something similar a few years ago:
>>
>> Yeah, me too. Last summer. My problem was that it was on a concrete
>> block wall which would have required a lot of PITA drilling if I
>> depended on the CB wall for support. I didn't. Instead...
>>
>> 1. 5 - 2x4 uprights, floor to ceiling length
>>
>> 2. Uprights hooked together on edge at 24" interval by two pieces of
>> 3/4" ply about 5-6 inches wide set into the uprights at about 18-24"
>> from top and bottom of uprights.
>>
>> 3. Hooked together uprights were attached to wall with screws into
>> the furring strips under the drywall.
>>
>> 4. Arms are 21" 2x4s lapped on each side with pieces of 3/4" ply;
>> the ply pieces are longer than the 2x4 so the ply fully overlaps the
>> uprights and are attached to them with 2 - 1/4" bolts. Each upright
>> has four arms. Now, that isn't going to hold up much weight before the
>> screws pull
>> out of the furring strips so...
>>
>> 5. I made a plinth of PT 2x4s that is butted against the uprights and
>> Tapconed to the floor. It has a piece of 1/4 ply on top so that
>> sawdust doesn't accumulate inside.
>>
>> That helps hold the rack up but not all that much. What *really*
>> holds it up is...
>>
>> 6. A 2x4 across the front of the uprights at the ceiling and lagged
>> to each truss.
>>
>> At the moment I have about 1500 punds of lumber on it, steady as a
>> rock. --
>>
>> dadiOH
>> ____________________________
>>
>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
GarageWoodworks wrote:
> On Nov 20, 12:45 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
> Neat design. I did something similar a few years ago:
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/lumberstorage.php
I did something similar many years ago. This one hangs off the rafters
in your shop, assuming you have exposed rafters. My old house did, no
pictures but here is a sketch up drawing:
http://jbstein.com/Flick/WoodStorage.jpg
The plan I got from an old Better Homes and Gardens Handymans Book,
published originally in 1951...
It is pretty much like the Woodsmithshop design except not plywood and
it hangs from the rafters, but could be hung the same way as theirs.
I really like having the lumber stored high with room underneath for
tools, plywood, whatever...
--
Jack
Got Change: General Motors =======> Government Motors!
http://jbstein.com
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
Most of the wood racks being described in the other replies to this thread are
constructed of wood; not only do they chew up a lot of space, they flat-out
make me nervous! I have this rack system from Grizzly:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/18-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2536
http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Wood-Rack-Bars-Pair-/H2534
*Very* sturdy and *very* cost effective, and they take up almost no real estate
to speak of. I can't imagine building my own with something like this available.
--
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Steve Turner wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>
> Most of the wood racks being described in the other replies to this
> thread are constructed of wood; not only do they chew up a lot of space,
> they flat-out make me nervous! I have this rack system from Grizzly:
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/18-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2536
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Wood-Rack-Bars-Pair-/H2534
>
> *Very* sturdy and *very* cost effective, and they take up almost no real
> estate to speak of. I can't imagine building my own with something like
> this available.
>
Woodcraft carries that and another shelving system that are so well done
and affordable, that like you, I can't see building one.
--
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Steve Turner wrote:
> Most of the wood racks being described in the other replies to this
> thread are constructed of wood; not only do they chew up a lot of space,
> they flat-out make me nervous!
Mine doesn't take up much space since it hangs off the ceiling rafters.
It will not fail unless the house fails.
http://jbstein.com/Flick/WoodStorage.jpg
The one I use now with a finished ceiling is a little more nerve
jangling, but I saw it somewhere and had some free pipe laying around
and built it. It's been on the block wall for 20 years and still
hanging in there, but, unlike my first one, it makes me a little nervous.
http://jbstein.com/Flick/PipeWoodRack.jpg
I have this rack system from Grizzly:
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/18-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2536
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Wood-Rack-Bars-Pair-/H2534
> *Very* sturdy and *very* cost effective, and they take up almost no real
> estate to speak of. I can't imagine building my own with something like
> this available.
Not sure what you mean by no real estate? They hang off the wall same
as the rest of them. If you keep them off the ground, then you can have
storage or tools under them. I have my lathe and Scroll saw under mine.
I'm about to build a storage cart because I'm tired of having little
scraps everywhere and no place for plywood. This one is all over the
net, but this is my sketchup version:
http://jbstein.com/Flick/LumberCart.jpg
This seems perfect if you have the room.
--
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Jack Stein wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
> I have this rack system from Grizzly:
>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/18-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2536
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Wood-Rack-Bars-Pair-/H2534
>
>> *Very* sturdy and *very* cost effective, and they take up almost no
>> real estate to speak of. I can't imagine building my own with
>> something like this available.
>
> Not sure what you mean by no real estate? They hang off the wall same
> as the rest of them. If you keep them off the ground, then you can have
> storage or tools under them. I have my lathe and Scroll saw under mine.
I mean that the support rails and shelf bars have a thin profile and don't
steal away any significant horizontal or vertical space that could otherwise be
used as wood storage, like this one does:
http://www.woodsmithshop.com/download/211/lumberrack.pdf
--
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Steve Turner" wrote:
>
>> I mean that the support rails and shelf bars have a thin profile and
>> don't steal away any significant horizontal or vertical space that
>> could otherwise be used as wood storage, like this one does:
>>
>> http://www.woodsmithshop.com/download/211/lumberrack.pdf
>
> The vertical rail is 4" wide.
>
> Is that what you are commenting about?
>
> Lew
Partly, yes. Four inches "deep" would more accurately describe my beef,
meaning that there are four inches of lost space between the wall and the
stored boards. Similarly, the support boards are from 3" to 7" tall, which
also takes away space in the vertical direction for storing lumber.
--
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I agree with the raw edge. Better have ply than 'inch board' which
might split.
What I would do - and advise - use a clear sealer - a water proof one.
It will seal it tight - and you sand slightly to get the sharp edges off.
I'd have 4 myself - three even spaces and one or the other side halved.
That way short lengths can be handled. If heavy loads - then add another
between the two wide ones - making 5 verticle supports.
I think 4 would be a natural.
The shelf seems to be of nominal use. If a lot of small wood is used -
or picture frame sticks and the like. I tend to have a mixture of
1" boards, 2x in 4 and 6 and then hardwoods and ply. I mostly work in
metal - and need one like this for some stock. I stand the 4' rods on end
and the large sheets on edge. I try not to have much in a stack - less
it falls on me - as it has - used my cell phone to get help. 400 pounds
leaning on you is tough to move a sheet at a time!
Shelving can be dangerous as well if over loaded and it falls on you.
Neat storage for a shop:
Since we are in storage - I have 12 army trunks (11 + 1 Air force :-) )
(it is blue naturally) - and rather having them stacked deep in several
stacks - heavy... I stacked them on side - lid hanging down. Now they
act as doored shelves. The load force is supported by the sides all the
way to the ground. 3 tall. Handy as I get older and can't heft heavy
trunks to get into the bottom one.
Martin
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Steve Turner" wrote:
>
>> Most of the wood racks being described in the other replies to this
>> thread are constructed of wood; not only do they chew up a lot of
>> space, they flat-out make me nervous! I have this rack system from
>> Grizzly:
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/18-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2536
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Wood-Rack-Bars-Pair-/H2534
>>
>> *Very* sturdy and *very* cost effective, and they take up almost no
>> real estate to speak of. I can't imagine building my own with
>> something like this available.
> -------------------------------------------------
> Not sure what "and they take up almost no real estate
>> to speak of" means since either rack has a similar foot print.
>
> The WSS plan is a little sneaky in the neat way they distribute
> possible lateral loads across two 3/4" pieces of ply with a 3/4" space
> between them on each shelf bracket which is clearly a design
> improvement over the Grizzley.
>
> The "French Cleat" attachment to the wall is a well documented and
> proven technique.
>
> There is a minor weakness in the design IMHO since the raw plywood
> edge of the brackets are exposed to the stock being stored.
>
> A simple fix would be to attach a 3/4"x14"xshelf length oak runner to
> protect raw ply edge.
>
> Whatever floats your boat.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:13:27 -0600, the infamous Steve Turner
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>
>Most of the wood racks being described in the other replies to this thread are
>constructed of wood; not only do they chew up a lot of space, they flat-out
>make me nervous! I have this rack system from Grizzly:
>
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/18-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2536
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Wood-Rack-Bars-Pair-/H2534
>
>*Very* sturdy and *very* cost effective, and they take up almost no real estate
>to speak of. I can't imagine building my own with something like this available.
I felt the same way. Sterling was available locally for a little bit
cheaper than shipped items like this, so I got them and have loved
them. I put pieces of large diameter pvc pipe over them to make it
easier to slide wood lengthwise and to keep from marking the wood on
the brackets. I have 18' of wall width, up to 22" deep, floor to
ceiling on about half.
--
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with them. -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:26:02 -0800 (PST), the infamous GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Nov 20, 12:45 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>>
>> Lew
>
>Neat design. I did something similar a few years ago:
>
>http://www.garagewoodworks.com/lumberstorage.php
>
>Quickest way to clean up a shop!
I spent a bit more and put up a Sterling wall mount setup.
http://johnsterling.com/aboutfastmount.htm I use the dual standards,
11" single brackets, 14" doubles, and 20" supported brackets.
VERY sturdy, and well worth the ~$120 I spent.
--
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we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
Can you post a pic or two on abpw?
Russ
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GarageWoodworks wrote:
>> On Nov 20, 12:45 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Neat wall storage rack from a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" ply.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yh9usym
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>> Neat design. I did something similar a few years ago:
>
> Yeah, me too. Last summer. My problem was that it was on a concrete
> block wall which would have required a lot of PITA drilling if I depended
> on the CB wall for support. I didn't. Instead...
>
> 1. 5 - 2x4 uprights, floor to ceiling length
>
> 2. Uprights hooked together on edge at 24" interval by two pieces of 3/4"
> ply about 5-6 inches wide set into the uprights at about 18-24" from top
> and bottom of uprights.
>
> 3. Hooked together uprights were attached to wall with screws into the
> furring strips under the drywall.
>
> 4. Arms are 21" 2x4s lapped on each side with pieces of 3/4" ply; the ply
> pieces are longer than the 2x4 so the ply fully overlaps the uprights and
> are attached to them with 2 - 1/4" bolts. Each upright has four arms.
>
> Now, that isn't going to hold up much weight before the screws pull out of
> the furring strips so...
>
> 5. I made a plinth of PT 2x4s that is butted against the uprights and
> Tapconed to the floor. It has a piece of 1/4 ply on top so that sawdust
> doesn't accumulate inside.
>
> That helps hold the rack up but not all that much. What *really* holds it
> up is...
>
> 6. A 2x4 across the front of the uprights at the ceiling and lagged to
> each truss.
>
> At the moment I have about 1500 punds of lumber on it, steady as a rock.
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
>
>