I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
hardware available?
I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
words of wisdom?
Larry
Larry wrote:
> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>
> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
> hardware available?
>
> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
> words of wisdom?
>
> Larry
I made my own base plate. After mounting the base to the router I used
a "V" bit chucked the the router to find the exact center of the base.
I then used two different sized fostner bit to very carefully create a
stepped hole of the correct size to allow mounting my bushings.
I works great.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 26, 11:31 am, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Larry wrote:
>>
>>>I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
>>>bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
>>>plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
>>>off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
>>>abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
>>>to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>>
>>>In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>>>solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
>>>have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
>>>hardware available?
>>
>>>I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
>>>words of wisdom?
>>
>>>Larry
>>
>>I made my own base plate. After mounting the base to the router I used
>>a "V" bit chucked the the router to find the exact center of the base.
>>I then used two different sized fostner bit to very carefully create a
>>stepped hole of the correct size to allow mounting my bushings.
>>
>>I works great.
>>
>>--
>>Jack Novak
>>Buffalo, NY - USA
>>[email protected]
>
>
> What Jack said. Works great for me.
> I make my bases all square, from Corian scraps. (Square ones ride much
> nicer along fences, averaging out any small aberrations the fence
> might have.)
My bases are all rectangular, all made to exactly the same even inch
size and all with the exact distance from each edge to the center of the
bit. This was done for using a fence with standard offsets.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Gerald Ross wrote:
>
>> Larry wrote:
>>> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
>>> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
>>> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
>>> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
>>> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
>>> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>>>
>>> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>>> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
>>> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
>>> hardware available?
>>>
>>> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
>>> words of wisdom?
>>>
>>> Larry
>> I made a recess for pan head screws and slightly enlarged the holes,
>> then made a tool to put in the chuck and automatically center the base
>> then tighten the screws. See pictures in ABPW.
>>
>
> For those who haven't yet looked at this, it is well worth the look. Very
> clever -- Gerald, this is something that seems to be marketable.
>
I had it made for my own use and liked it so I sent drawings and
pictures to
Lee Valley. They researched it and found something like it already on
the market somewhere.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
He ended the job as he began it; fired
with enthusiasm. --Don O'Shaughnessy
On Nov 26, 9:13=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy said:
>
> >On Nov 26, 6:38=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> It's certainly not an eloquent tool, but I have one. Used very slowly
> >> with the stock utterly clamped solid and a controlled feed rate, it'll
> >> do the job. But it is a tool more suited to drilling holes in spun
> >> cellulose dropped ceiling tiles. =A0 :)
>
> >> Greg G.
>
> >LOL..or carpet.
>
> Hmm..
> Me thinks that would certainly result in the tool being disposed of
> fairly quickly. It and the 3' section of thread pulls. Not to mention
> the broken wrist.
>
> Greg G.
Yohoooo!!! A hole-cutter FREEHAND!!!
Robatoy said:
>On Nov 26, 6:38 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>> It's certainly not an eloquent tool, but I have one. Used very slowly
>> with the stock utterly clamped solid and a controlled feed rate, it'll
>> do the job. But it is a tool more suited to drilling holes in spun
>> cellulose dropped ceiling tiles. :)
>>
>> Greg G.
>
>LOL..or carpet.
Hmm..
Me thinks that would certainly result in the tool being disposed of
fairly quickly. It and the 3' section of thread pulls. Not to mention
the broken wrist.
Greg G.
On Nov 26, 2:55=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Nov 26, 1:43 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On the subject of making your own base.....
>
> >> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfec=
t
> >> radius around the center.
> >> This kind...
> >> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
>
> > *shuddering in fear*
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > those are NOT cool.
>
> Did you read the rest of my post or stop there?
>
Yes, I read the rest of your post. That doesn't make that tool any
cooler.
On Nov 27, 11:41=A0am, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/27/2009 01:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> > I know the OP had stated that be was trying to center the bushing, but
> > we had taken a tangent, discussing how to get a round base perfectly
> > centered with the bit.
> One possibility would be to use a trammel bar of the same radius as the
> base plate. =A0
To make a base plate to match an existing router, I used a dowel pin
in the
target router, and a matching-diameter carbide bit in the primary
router.
With a raw phenolic plate attached to the target with three flathead
screws
in countersinked holes (which is self-centering after remounting), I
first
used the target router to drill a center hole, then chucked the steel
dowel in the target and routed the edge of the plate with the primary
router, with the dowel as my guide. I did a rough cut with a bit of
brass tube over the dowel, then removed that tube and made the finish
cut.
Hmmm. If I chucked the dowel in a holesaw's pilot, maybe I could
make a stepped hole in the base suitable for router guides?
Centered to the diameter and can get you within a few thousandths of
cutter or collar center:
http://patwarner.com/precision_subbase_kit.html
***************************************************************************=
*******************
On Nov 26, 7:40=A0am, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>
> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
> hardware available?
>
> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
> words of wisdom?
>
> Larry
On Nov 26, 1:43=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On the subject of making your own base.....
>
> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfect
> radius around the center.
> This kind...
> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
*shuddering in fear*
.
.
.
.
those are NOT cool.
On 11/26/2009 09:40 AM, Larry wrote:
> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>
> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment?
Mine allows for the use of pan head screws in slightly oversize
counterbored holes for fine centering, although it's pretty close to start.
Chis
On Nov 26, 10:20=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I still think it would work for someone who wanted a dead-centered rou=
nd
> >> base.
> >> It's not a production thing, it's a one-off deal.
>
> > =A0... and since I still have all ten, one-off is not option for me.
>
> Ten routers? =A0
Fingers, Mike...fingers. Work with me here...
On Nov 26, 6:38=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> -MIKE- said:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Robatoy wrote:
> >> On Nov 26, 2:55 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 26, 1:43 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> On the subject of making your own base.....
> >>>>> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a per=
fect
> >>>>> radius around the center.
> >>>>> This kind...
> >>>>> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
> >>>> *shuddering in fear*
> >>>> .
> >>>> .
> >>>> .
> >>>> .
> >>>> those are NOT cool.
> >>> Did you read the rest of my post or stop there?
>
> >> Yes, I read the rest of your post. That doesn't make that tool any
> >> cooler.
>
> >What does cool have to do with it. =A0:-)
>
> >I still think it would work for someone who wanted a dead-centered round
> >base.
> >It's not a production thing, it's a one-off deal.
>
> It's certainly not an eloquent tool, but I have one. Used very slowly
> with the stock utterly clamped solid and a controlled feed rate, it'll
> do the job. But it is a tool more suited to drilling holes in spun
> cellulose dropped ceiling tiles. =A0 :)
>
> Greg G.
LOL..or carpet.
On Nov 26, 11:31=A0am, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
> > I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
> > bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
> > plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
> > off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
> > abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
> > to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>
> > In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
> > solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
> > have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
> > hardware available?
>
> > I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
> > words of wisdom?
>
> > Larry
>
> I made my own base plate. =A0After mounting the base to the router I used
> a "V" bit chucked the the router to find the exact center of the base.
> I then used two different sized fostner bit to very carefully create a
> stepped hole of the correct size to allow mounting my bushings.
>
> I works great.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> [email protected]
What Jack said. Works great for me.
I make my bases all square, from Corian scraps. (Square ones ride much
nicer along fences, averaging out any small aberrations the fence
might have.)
On 11/27/2009 01:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> I know the OP had stated that be was trying to center the bushing, but
> we had taken a tangent, discussing how to get a round base perfectly
> centered with the bit.
One possibility would be to use a trammel bar of the same radius as the
base plate. This gets attached to some bar stock that is chucked up in
the collet and threaded internally. When the edge of the trammel bar is
aligned with the edge of the base plate all the way around, you're centered.
If you get close when drilling your holes through the base and use
pan-head screws, you'll have a bit of wiggle room to get it perfectly
aligned.
Chris
Larry wrote:
> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>
> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
> hardware available?
>
> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
> words of wisdom?
>
> Larry
I made a recess for pan head screws and slightly enlarged the holes,
then made a tool to put in the chuck and automatically center the base
then tighten the screws. See pictures in ABPW.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
He ended the job as he began it; fired
with enthusiasm. --Don O'Shaughnessy
Gerald Ross wrote:
> Mark & Juanita wrote:
... snip
>>
>> For those who haven't yet looked at this, it is well worth the look.
>> Very
>> clever -- Gerald, this is something that seems to be marketable.
>>
>
>
> I had it made for my own use and liked it so I sent drawings and
> pictures to
> Lee Valley. They researched it and found something like it already on
> the market somewhere.
>
Would sure like to find it. I looked at the Bosch cone, it's too small
for all uses, it appears useful only for centering a bushing.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
Gerald Ross wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
>> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
>> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
>> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
>> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
>> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>>
>> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
>> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
>> hardware available?
>>
>> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
>> words of wisdom?
>>
>> Larry
> I made a recess for pan head screws and slightly enlarged the holes,
> then made a tool to put in the chuck and automatically center the base
> then tighten the screws. See pictures in ABPW.
>
For those who haven't yet looked at this, it is well worth the look. Very
clever -- Gerald, this is something that seems to be marketable.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
Gerald Ross wrote:
> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> Gerald Ross wrote:
>>
> Snip
>>
>> Would sure like to find it. I looked at the Bosch cone, it's too small
>> for all uses, it appears useful only for centering a bushing.
>>
>
> Do you know a machinist? I turned a wood pattern and showed it to a
> friend who has a machine shop as a hobby. He quoted me $50-65 to make
> one from steel. Two or three months later he brought it to me. He was
> embarassed that it had taken so long and refused any payment. I did
> give his wife a nice bowl.
>
I'll have to hunt one down. I do like the approach.
> I would send you the pattern I turned, but can't seem to lay my hands
> on it right now.
>
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:56:24 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> I made a recess for pan head screws and slightly enlarged the holes,
>> then made a tool to put in the chuck and automatically center the base
>> then tighten the screws. See pictures in ABPW.
>>
>>
> For those who haven't yet looked at this, it is well worth the look.
> Very
> clever -- Gerald, this is something that seems to be marketable.
It has been. Didn't you see my post on DeWalt router?
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 11/26/2009 12:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On the subject of making your own base.....
>
> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfect
> radius around the center.
I just plunged an actual router bit through the base to cut the hole in
my replacement base. Perfectly centered by definition. :)
Chris
Nova <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Larry wrote:
>
>> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up
>> with the bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a
>> bushing in the plunge router base only to figure out that
>> the bit was so far off that it wouldn't even go thru the
>> bushing. I finally abandoned the plunge base and used the
>> fixed base but still had to drill new holes for the
>> phenolic base to get it centered.
>>
>> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do
>> any have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any
>> replacement hardware available?
>>
>> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle.
>> Any words of wisdom?
>>
>> Larry
>
> I made my own base plate. After mounting the base to the
> router I used a "V" bit chucked the the router to find the
> exact center of the base. I then used two different sized
> fostner bit to very carefully create a stepped hole of the
> correct size to allow mounting my bushings.
>
> I works great.
>
This seems to be my best option. What material did you use?
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Maybe, maybe not. I've never had a problem with the 2-3
> brands I've owned...your is...?
>
Porter Cable
>
>
> B. Enlarge the attachment holes in the base you now have so
> you can wiggle the base to center bit.
>
The holes are for countersink heads. I don't think there's
enough material left to do this. Really needs panhead screws.
Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Mine allows for the use of pan head screws in slightly
> oversize counterbored holes for fine centering, although
> it's pretty close to start.
>
> Chis
What brand of router?
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:40:41 +0000, Larry wrote:
>
>> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do
>> any have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any
>> replacement hardware available?
>
> My DeWalt uses pan head screws in slightly oversize holes
> and includes a centering cone. Works for me.
>
My PC690 has several annoyances that the DW618 seems to address.
I'll have to take a closer look at one next time I'm at the
BORG.
Given the popularity of the PC690 there seems to be an
opportunity for an enterprising person to build an aftermarket
base. Not really any different than a lift but much simpler.
Both address the same problems...
Jim Weisgram <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> http://www.patwarner.com/precisio
Yea, just like that except the whole base. Drop your motor in
and you're ready to go.
"LDosser" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>>> Gerald Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry wrote:
>>>>> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
>>>>> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
>>>>> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
>>>>> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
>>>>> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
>>>>> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>>>>> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
>>>>> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
>>>>> hardware available?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
>>>>> words of wisdom?
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>> I made a recess for pan head screws and slightly enlarged the
>>>> holes, then made a tool to put in the chuck and automatically
>>>> center the base then tighten the screws. See pictures in ABPW.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For those who haven't yet looked at this, it is well worth the
>>> look.
>>> Very
>>> clever -- Gerald, this is something that seems to be marketable.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I had it made for my own use and liked it so I sent drawings and
>> pictures to
>> Lee Valley. They researched it and found something like it already on
>> the market somewhere.
>>
>
> There are several. Milescraft makes one version.
My Bosch router came with an aluminium one. Now if the router were only
bump resistant. This is the second time it won't turn on after dropping
on the floor ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Nov 26, 5:06=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Nov 26, 2:55 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>> On Nov 26, 1:43 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> On the subject of making your own base.....
> >>>> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perf=
ect
> >>>> radius around the center.
> >>>> This kind...
> >>>> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
> >>> *shuddering in fear*
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> those are NOT cool.
> >> Did you read the rest of my post or stop there?
>
> > Yes, I read the rest of your post. That doesn't make that tool any
> > cooler.
>
> What does cool have to do with it. =A0:-)
>
> I still think it would work for someone who wanted a dead-centered round
> base.
> It's not a production thing, it's a one-off deal.
>
... and since I still have all ten, one-off is not option for me.
On 26 Nov 2009 18:17:26 GMT, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:40:41 +0000, Larry wrote:
>>
>>> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>>> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do
>>> any have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any
>>> replacement hardware available?
>>
>> My DeWalt uses pan head screws in slightly oversize holes
>> and includes a centering cone. Works for me.
>>
>
>My PC690 has several annoyances that the DW618 seems to address.
>I'll have to take a closer look at one next time I'm at the
>BORG.
>
>Given the popularity of the PC690 there seems to be an
>opportunity for an enterprising person to build an aftermarket
>base. Not really any different than a lift but much simpler.
>Both address the same problems...
You mean like Pat Warner?
http://www.patwarner.com/precision_subbase_kit.html
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:54:15 -0500, the infamous Gerald Ross
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> Gerald Ross wrote:
>>
>Snip
>>
>> Would sure like to find it. I looked at the Bosch cone, it's too small
>> for all uses, it appears useful only for centering a bushing.
>>
>
>Do you know a machinist? I turned a wood pattern and showed it to a
>friend who has a machine shop as a hobby. He quoted me $50-65 to make
>one from steel. Two or three months later he brought it to me. He was
>embarassed that it had taken so long and refused any payment. I did
>give his wife a nice bowl.
Um, a real friend wouldn't have quoted you a price like that. It's a
happy ten minute job (including smoothing and waxing) and a couple
bucks worth of steel.
>I would send you the pattern I turned, but can't seem to lay my hands
>on it right now.
Y'mean a 1-1/4" diameter rod tapered at 45 degrees down to 1/2", then
kept that diameter for 2"? Who needs a plan or a pattern?
If he kept a tit on the cone end, it could double as a toy top!
--
Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.
On 11/27/2009 12:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> How do you know it's the center point.
> If the base is mounted perfectly centered, the hole you plunge with not
> be.
For use with guide bushings I don't care if the hole is perfectly
centered on the base....I care that the hole is perfectly concentric
with the bit. By making the hole with a bit in the router, you get that
by definition.
Chris
-MIKE- said:
>Robatoy wrote:
>> On Nov 26, 2:55 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> On Nov 26, 1:43 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On the subject of making your own base.....
>>>>> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfect
>>>>> radius around the center.
>>>>> This kind...
>>>>> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
>>>> *shuddering in fear*
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> those are NOT cool.
>>> Did you read the rest of my post or stop there?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I read the rest of your post. That doesn't make that tool any
>> cooler.
>
>What does cool have to do with it. :-)
>
>I still think it would work for someone who wanted a dead-centered round
>base.
>It's not a production thing, it's a one-off deal.
It's certainly not an eloquent tool, but I have one. Used very slowly
with the stock utterly clamped solid and a controlled feed rate, it'll
do the job. But it is a tool more suited to drilling holes in spun
cellulose dropped ceiling tiles. :)
Greg G.
Robatoy wrote:
> What Jack said. Works great for me.
> I make my bases all square, from Corian scraps. (Square ones ride much
> nicer along fences, averaging out any small aberrations the fence
> might have.)
That also removes the chance for any centering inaccuracy in a round base.
The factory base on my PC wasn't round, nor centered.
A square base means you stay the same distance from edge to center and
there is to chance of rotating the router.
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On the subject of making your own base.....
I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfect
radius around the center.
This kind...
<http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
Cut your base over-sized by a small amount.
Mount the base on the router, use a plunge bit to cut a 1/2-3/4" hole.
Mount the hole saw in the router. Do NOT power up. :-)
Spin hole saw by hand or mount the pilot bit (yes, the business end) in
a cordless drill and drill slowly, while slowly turning the router's
plunge depth knob.
Either cut all the way through the thickness of the base with the hole
cutter, or cut down just enough to have room for a guide bearing.
Take base off router.
Mount router in table with a pattern bit.
Finish cut on base with pattern bit.
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Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 26, 1:43 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On the subject of making your own base.....
>>
>> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfect
>> radius around the center.
>> This kind...
>> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
>
>
> *shuddering in fear*
> .
> .
> .
> .
> those are NOT cool.
>
Did you read the rest of my post or stop there?
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Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 26, 2:55 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Nov 26, 1:43 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On the subject of making your own base.....
>>>> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfect
>>>> radius around the center.
>>>> This kind...
>>>> <http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b3OpacTNL._SS400_.jpg>
>>> *shuddering in fear*
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> those are NOT cool.
>> Did you read the rest of my post or stop there?
>>
>
> Yes, I read the rest of your post. That doesn't make that tool any
> cooler.
What does cool have to do with it. :-)
I still think it would work for someone who wanted a dead-centered round
base.
It's not a production thing, it's a one-off deal.
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>> I still think it would work for someone who wanted a dead-centered round
>> base.
>> It's not a production thing, it's a one-off deal.
>>
> ... and since I still have all ten, one-off is not option for me.
>
Ten routers? Nice.
In any case... I would just get the virgin base mounted with the
mounting holes however you can do it.
Cut a center hole through the center on the base with a 1/4 or 1/2"
plunge bit.
Remove base (or leave it mounted and use one of you other ten routers in
the table).
Use a centering bit or 1/4 or 1/2" stock as a guide pin to spin the base
(mounted or unmounted) to cut a perfect circle.
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Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 26, 10:20 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I still think it would work for someone who wanted a dead-centered round
>>>> base.
>>>> It's not a production thing, it's a one-off deal.
>>> ... and since I still have all ten, one-off is not option for me.
>> Ten routers?
>
> Fingers, Mike...fingers. Work with me here...
>
Tryptophan coma.
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>> I made a recess for pan head screws and slightly enlarged the holes,
>> then made a tool to put in the chuck and automatically center the base
>> then tighten the screws. See pictures in ABPW.
>>
>
> For those who haven't yet looked at this, it is well worth the look. Very
> clever -- Gerald, this is something that seems to be marketable.
>
>
somebody post them to the web, already. :-)
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"Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> Gerald Ross wrote:
>>
>>> Larry wrote:
>>>> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
>>>> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
>>>> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
>>>> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
>>>> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
>>>> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>>>>
>>>> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
>>>> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
>>>> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
>>>> hardware available?
>>>>
>>>> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
>>>> words of wisdom?
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>> I made a recess for pan head screws and slightly enlarged the holes,
>>> then made a tool to put in the chuck and automatically center the base
>>> then tighten the screws. See pictures in ABPW.
>>>
>>
>> For those who haven't yet looked at this, it is well worth the look.
>> Very
>> clever -- Gerald, this is something that seems to be marketable.
>>
>
>
> I had it made for my own use and liked it so I sent drawings and pictures
> to
> Lee Valley. They researched it and found something like it already on the
> market somewhere.
>
There are several. Milescraft makes one version.
Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 11/26/2009 12:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On the subject of making your own base.....
>>
>> I had the idea of using an adjustable hole cutter to help cut a perfect
>> radius around the center.
>
> I just plunged an actual router bit through the base to cut the hole in
> my replacement base. Perfectly centered by definition. :)
>
> Chris
How do you know it's the center point.
If the base is mounted perfectly centered, the hole you plunge with not
be.
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Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 11/27/2009 12:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>> How do you know it's the center point.
>> If the base is mounted perfectly centered, the hole you plunge with not
>> be.
>
> For use with guide bushings I don't care if the hole is perfectly
> centered on the base....I care that the hole is perfectly concentric
> with the bit. By making the hole with a bit in the router, you get that
> by definition.
>
> Chris
>
I know the OP had stated that be was trying to center the bushing, but
we had taken a tangent, discussing how to get a round base perfectly
centered with the bit.
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Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 11/27/2009 01:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>> I know the OP had stated that be was trying to center the bushing, but
>> we had taken a tangent, discussing how to get a round base perfectly
>> centered with the bit.
>
> One possibility would be to use a trammel bar of the same radius as the
> base plate. This gets attached to some bar stock that is chucked up in
> the collet and threaded internally. When the edge of the trammel bar is
> aligned with the edge of the base plate all the way around, you're centered.
>
> If you get close when drilling your holes through the base and use
> pan-head screws, you'll have a bit of wiggle room to get it perfectly
> aligned.
>
> Chris
I have a compass scribe that is already configured in a manner you
describe.
The point's is held in a round cast section that might be 1/4" diameter,
which would chuck-up in the router.
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"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>
> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
> hardware available?
>
> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle. Any
> words of wisdom?
>
> Larry
The Bosch EVS1617 has flat bottomed holes and pan head screws for
adjustments.
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Gerald Ross wrote:
>
Snip
>
> Would sure like to find it. I looked at the Bosch cone, it's too small
> for all uses, it appears useful only for centering a bushing.
>
Do you know a machinist? I turned a wood pattern and showed it to a
friend who has a machine shop as a hobby. He quoted me $50-65 to make
one from steel. Two or three months later he brought it to me. He was
embarassed that it had taken so long and refused any payment. I did
give his wife a nice bowl.
I would send you the pattern I turned, but can't seem to lay my hands
on it right now.
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spend!
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:40:41 +0000, Larry wrote:
> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the solution? Are
> there brands that are better than others? Do any have slotted holes to
> allow for adjustment? Any replacement hardware available?
My DeWalt uses pan head screws in slightly oversize holes and includes a
centering cone. Works for me.
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Larry wrote:
> I fought with trying to get my router base centered up with the
> bushing/bit on my last project. I inserted a bushing in the
> plunge router base only to figure out that the bit was so far
> off that it wouldn't even go thru the bushing. I finally
> abandoned the plunge base and used the fixed base but still had
> to drill new holes for the phenolic base to get it centered.
>
> In the end it was an enormous waste of time. What's the
> solution? Are there brands that are better than others? Do any
> have slotted holes to allow for adjustment? Any replacement
> hardware available?
>
> I know I can't be the only person to fight this battle.
Maybe, maybe not. I've never had a problem with the 2-3 brands I've
owned...your is...?
> Any words of wisdom?
A. Make a base, drill a hole the proper size for the bushing holder, put a
bushing in the holder, put a bit for the bushing in router, center bit in
bushing, attach base to router.
- OR -
B. Enlarge the attachment holes in the base you now have so you can wiggle
the base to center bit.
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