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"Phil"

10/04/2006 7:44 AM

Golden Rectangle or Ratio explained

Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.

http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/

Enjoy,

Phil Davis


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"SFChuck"

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 8:23 AM


The "golden ratio" is a useful proportion in furniture making. One
often sees chests of drawers, etc., that are 1.6 time higher than they
are wide or horizontally-oriented pieces that are 1.6 times wider than
they are high, etc.

It is also useful for drawer sizing. In chests with drawers that get
larger as they near the bottom, each drawer front is 1.6 times higher
than the one above.

Steve DeMars wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking and
> what is it?
>
> Thanks in advance . . .
> Steve
>
> "Phil" <dirigo @ spamcop . net (delete the spaces)> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
> > affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.
> >
> > http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > Phil Davis
> >
> >

pp

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 8:57 AM

The Golden ratio is pleasing to the eye. Theoretically a chest with
dimensions of 1.6 :1
will be more attractive to more people than one with a ratio of 1.4 :

Td

"Teamcasa"

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 10:34 AM

>>Golden Rectangle
"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Vlu_f.832$B42.577@dukeread05...
> Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking and
> what is it?
>
> Thanks in advance . . .
> Steve
>
Design without good use of proportions is either art or junk.

Dave



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in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 11:38 AM

Phil:

I read a good book on the subject about a year or so ago:

http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=533153&cid=80486&fp=F

The author is a astrophysicist and explains the GR from
a mathmatical viewpoint as well from an artistic one. He
explains the roots of the GR as well examines whether
or not it shows up in nature on in art as often as people
think.

The truth of it all is that while it is interesting that the GR
does appear (sometime) in nature, it's use in art is not conclusive.
The pyramids and classical Greek scupture and buildings
for example, do not use the GR at all.

While it appears that we can use the GR as a general
guide in designing furniture, it is not an end all. Studies,
as expained in the book, indicate that people objectively
don't really gravitate towards objects built using the GR
as a design element when presented choices.

So my final thoughts - don't get hung up on GR.

MJ Wallace

Bh

"Brad"

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

13/04/2006 5:06 AM

I have heard that the golden ratio applies to much more than furniture.
Many say it is the key to making good turned bowls or vases as well.
Brad

jJ

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 9:00 AM

I knew that.

ER

Enoch Root

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 8:18 AM

Steve DeMars wrote:

> "Phil" <dirigo @ spamcop . net (delete the spaces)> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
>>affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.
>>
>>http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/

> Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking
> and what is it?

Try here, for starters:

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Design/GoldenRatio/GM1.html

er
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email not valid

ma

"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" <"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net">

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 5:07 PM

I've been told (although I don't know for sure if this is true) that the
human eye's visual range (width to height) approximates the Golden
Ratio. However, this wouldn't explain why we find upright Golden Ratios
to be so visually appealing.

It does, however, match pretty much to the dimensions chosen for
standard TV sets (NTSC). THe same goes for landscape style painting and
pictures ... the GR just looks better.

Jack

Enoch Root wrote:
> Steve DeMars wrote:
>
>
>>"Phil" <dirigo @ spamcop . net (delete the spaces)> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>>Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
>>>affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.
>>>
>>>http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/
>
>
>>Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking
>>and what is it?
>
>
> Try here, for starters:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Design/GoldenRatio/GM1.html
>
> er

SD

"Steve DeMars"

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 10:51 AM

Thanks, I have been looking for that, just had no idea what it was called or
referred to . . .





"Phil" <dirigo @ spamcop . net (delete the spaces)> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
> affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.
>
> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Phil Davis
>
>

SD

"Steve DeMars"

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 9:56 AM

Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking and
what is it?

Thanks in advance . . .
Steve

"Phil" <dirigo @ spamcop . net (delete the spaces)> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
> affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.
>
> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Phil Davis
>
>

GT

"Gooey TARBALLS"

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 4:07 PM

GREAT, thanks best response yet!
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Design/GoldenRatio/GM1.html

"Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve DeMars wrote:
>
>> "Phil" <dirigo @ spamcop . net (delete the spaces)> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
>>>affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.
>>>
>>>http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/
>
>> Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking
>> and what is it?
>
> Try here, for starters:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Design/GoldenRatio/GM1.html
>
> er
> --
> email not valid

ME

Martin Evans

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

12/04/2006 10:41 PM

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:09:22 -0700, David <[email protected]> wrote:

>mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net wrote:

>> It does, however, match pretty much to the dimensions chosen for
>> standard TV sets (NTSC). THe same goes for landscape style painting and
>> pictures ... the GR just looks better.

>4:3 isn't that close to the GR. Widescreen TV sure as hell isn't!
>

and NTSC isn't close to proper "colour" either.

NTSC aka Never Twice the Same Colour

Oh and that's colour spelt the proper way :-)


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Gw

Guess who

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 2:03 PM

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:56:00 -0500, "Steve DeMars"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking and
>what is it?
>> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/

A rectangle can be long and thin, or short and fat, or anything in
between. The one with sides in a certain ratio, called the Golden
Ratio, is thought by most to be the most pleasing [aesthetic.]
However, I'd hate to have EVERY rectangle in the house that shpae.
Variety is the spice of life.

Google for methods of finding it, but basically it's the solution to
an equation found form each of those methods:

x^2 - x - 1 = 0

You'll find out the numerical value sqrt(5)+1 : 2, or, same thing,
2 : sqrt(5) - 1

DD

David

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

10/04/2006 4:09 PM

mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net wrote:

> I've been told (although I don't know for sure if this is true) that the
> human eye's visual range (width to height) approximates the Golden
> Ratio. However, this wouldn't explain why we find upright Golden Ratios
> to be so visually appealing.
>
> It does, however, match pretty much to the dimensions chosen for
> standard TV sets (NTSC). THe same goes for landscape style painting and
> pictures ... the GR just looks better.
>
> Jack
>
> Enoch Root wrote:
>
>> Steve DeMars wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Phil" <dirigo @ spamcop . net (delete the spaces)> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thought I'd post this for the inquiring minds here. No
>>>> affiliation, I have just seen this come up a few times.
>>>>
>>>> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/phi/
>>
>>
>>
>>> Excuse my ignorance . . . but how would one apply this to woodworking
>>> and what is it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Try here, for starters:
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Design/GoldenRatio/GM1.html
>>
>> er
>
>
4:3 isn't that close to the GR. Widescreen TV sure as hell isn't!

dave

DD

David

in reply to "Phil" on 10/04/2006 7:44 AM

12/04/2006 3:31 PM

Martin Evans wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:09:22 -0700, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net wrote:
>
>
>>>It does, however, match pretty much to the dimensions chosen for
>>>standard TV sets (NTSC). THe same goes for landscape style painting and
>>>pictures ... the GR just looks better.
>
>
>>4:3 isn't that close to the GR. Widescreen TV sure as hell isn't!
>>
>
>
> and NTSC isn't close to proper "colour" either.
>
> NTSC aka Never Twice the Same Colour
>
> Oh and that's colour spelt the proper way :-)
>
>
:) I spent my formative years in merry old England. I still catch
myself spelling things the British way.

Dave


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