Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
>> Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of
>> leaded gas. White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring
>> agents. It was really more naptha.
> -------------------------
> Way back when, I used the highest premium (highest cost) available
> from Amoco in my 2 cycle Harley Davidson motorcycle.
>
> It was "white gas".
>
> A fill up set me back a whole $0.50.
>
> Oh for those days of yester year when the minimum wage was $0.50/hr.
>
Yup - Amoco was the only White Gas that I'm aware of. It's all they sold if
I remember correctly. Folks would buy Coleman fuel for 3-4 times as much,
but Amoco was exactly the same stuff and worked just fine in those laterns
and cookstoves.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sep 14, 3:35=A0pm, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> Someone asked what white spirits is. =A0I don't know what it is.
> Mineral spirits? =A0They referenced the term as being used in England/
> Britain.
>
> Sonny
'Spiritus' in The Netherlands is denatured alcohol. Related? Dunno.
Mixed with green soap, it is used for cleaning justabout everything.
"Tim W" wrote:
> It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a
> cheaper version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I
> don't know what you would call it in the US.
-------------------------------
You can buy both "Mineral Spirits" and "Paint Thinner" in the USA.
Both are less expensive than turps and are distillate based.
Lew
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
> Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of
> leaded gas. White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring
> agents. It was really more naptha.
-------------------------
Way back when, I used the highest premium (highest cost) available
from Amoco in my 2 cycle Harley Davidson motorcycle.
It was "white gas".
A fill up set me back a whole $0.50.
Oh for those days of yester year when the minimum wage was $0.50/hr.
Lew
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
> Yup - Amoco was the only White Gas that I'm aware of. It's all they
> sold if I remember correctly.
---------------------
They also sold leaded gasoline.
Had to in order to be competitive.
Strictly from memory, leaded gas was maybe $0.21-$0.22/gal while Amoco
premium was about $0.25/gal.
Lew
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:22:45 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Coleman stoves and lanterns run just fine on today's etanol-free
>> unleaded gasoline too. Ethanol will kill the gas generator in VERY
>> short order.
>
>Geeze - where do you get ethanol fee gas these days?
Here in Canada I can still buy it at my Shell station. Ethanol goes in
the regular at 10%. None in the premium. Makes the mid grade 5% and
meets all the requirements of the law while giving people the OPTION.
FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 9/14/10 3:47 PM, Tim W wrote:
>> "Sonny"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:0eaf9d2f-5a13-4f38-a1d9-87f86288e7bc@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>> Someone asked what white spirits is. I don't know what it is.
>>> Mineral spirits? They referenced the term as being used in England/
>>> Britain.
>>>
>>
>> It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a
>> cheaper version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I
>> don't know what you would call it in the US.
>>
> Possibly Coleman fuel for camp stoves/lanterns etc., I have heard that
> referred to as White Gas.
Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of leaded gas.
White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring agents. It was really
more naptha.
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"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tim W" wrote:
>
>
>> It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a cheaper
>> version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I don't know
>> what you would call it in the US.
> -------------------------------
> You can buy both "Mineral Spirits" and "Paint Thinner" in the USA.
>
> Both are less expensive than turps and are distillate based.
>
Are they the same thing?
Tim w
Chevron sold it. Others did I'm sure.
Loved buying gas when it was selling for a penny or nickel a gallon.
Gas wars between refineries was fun.
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On 9/14/2010 7:52 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>>
>>> Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of
>>> leaded gas. White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring
>>> agents. It was really more naptha.
>> -------------------------
>> Way back when, I used the highest premium (highest cost) available
>> from Amoco in my 2 cycle Harley Davidson motorcycle.
>>
>> It was "white gas".
>>
>> A fill up set me back a whole $0.50.
>>
>> Oh for those days of yester year when the minimum wage was $0.50/hr.
>>
>
> Yup - Amoco was the only White Gas that I'm aware of. It's all they sold if
> I remember correctly. Folks would buy Coleman fuel for 3-4 times as much,
> but Amoco was exactly the same stuff and worked just fine in those laterns
> and cookstoves.
>
In article <[email protected]>,
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Marlow wrote:
>> FrozenNorth wrote:
>...
>
>>> Possibly Coleman fuel for camp stoves/lanterns etc., I have heard that
>>> referred to as White Gas.
>>
>> Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of leaded gas.
>> White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring agents. ...
>
>That's so...it was "white" gas because it didn't have the orange
>"regular" or purple "premium" dye nor tetraethyl lead.
>
>> It was really more naptha.
>
>That's not right; it was the same base gasoline without the
>additives/dyes as you stated above.
>
>Naptha is generally the stuff of the Coleman stove, etc., and has
>supplanted the previous usage of "white gas" leading to two different
>things by the same generic name...
Coleman-type camp stove ran just fine on the 'white gas' you got from
the service station, back in the days when you _could_ get it there. :).
Genuine 'Coleman fuel" burns cleaner, so you dont get the same degree
of soot build up on the outside of the cookware.
In article <96%[email protected]>,
Tim W <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Tim W" wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a cheaper
>>> version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I don't know
>>> what you would call it in the US.
>> -------------------------------
>> You can buy both "Mineral Spirits" and "Paint Thinner" in the USA.
>>
>> Both are less expensive than turps and are distillate based.
>>
>
>Are they the same thing?
"more or less", some less-so than others. <grin>
They are both "light petroleum distallate" based products, Mineral spirits
is a fairly specific formulation, while "paint thinner" allows considerable
variance, and may include some measure of 'other stuff' as well.
For many uses, they are effectively interchangable.
mineral spirits _does_ burn somewhat 'cleaner'.
Tim W wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Tim W" wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a
>>> cheaper version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I
>>> don't know what you would call it in the US.
>> -------------------------------
>> You can buy both "Mineral Spirits" and "Paint Thinner" in the USA.
>>
>> Both are less expensive than turps and are distillate based.
>>
>
> Are they the same thing?
Not quite. IIRC, paint thinner is slightly less refined but for practical
purposes, they are the same.
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On Sep 14, 3:35=A0pm, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> Someone asked what white spirits is. =A0I don't know what it is.
> Mineral spirits? =A0They referenced the term as being used in England/
> Britain.
>
> Sonny
'Shine.
[email protected] wrote:
> Coleman stoves and lanterns run just fine on today's etanol-free
> unleaded gasoline too. Ethanol will kill the gas generator in VERY
> short order.
Geeze - where do you get ethanol fee gas these days?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:22:45 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Coleman stoves and lanterns run just fine on today's etanol-free
>>> unleaded gasoline too. Ethanol will kill the gas generator in VERY
>>> short order.
>>
>> Geeze - where do you get ethanol fee gas these days?
>
> There is a Liberty station here that sells it. It's pretty
> consistently $.11 more a gallon than another off-brand across the
> road.
I'll have to pay better attention, but it's been a while since I noticed any
stations in Central NY that didn't have 10% gas.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sep 14, 8:52=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
> > "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
> >> Completely different. =A0White gas is an old term from the days of
> >> leaded gas. White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring
> >> agents. =A0It was really more naptha.
> > -------------------------
> > Way back when, I used the highest premium (highest cost) available
> > from Amoco in my 2 cycle Harley Davidson motorcycle.
>
> > It was "white gas".
>
> > A fill up set me back a whole $0.50.
>
> > Oh for those days of yester year when the minimum wage was $0.50/hr.
>
> Yup - Amoco was the only White Gas that I'm aware of. =A0It's all they so=
ld if
> I remember correctly. =A0Folks would buy Coleman fuel for 3-4 times as mu=
ch,
> but Amoco was exactly the same stuff and worked just fine in those latern=
s
> and cookstoves.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected] Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
IIRC, most stations back then also had a separate pump around the
corner, or a barrel with pump to sell white gas for lanterns,
cookstoves, etc.
Norm
On 9/14/10 3:47 PM, Tim W wrote:
> "Sonny"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0eaf9d2f-5a13-4f38-a1d9-87f86288e7bc@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> Someone asked what white spirits is. I don't know what it is.
>> Mineral spirits? They referenced the term as being used in England/
>> Britain.
>>
>
> It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a cheaper
> version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I don't know what
> you would call it in the US.
>
Possibly Coleman fuel for camp stoves/lanterns etc., I have heard that
referred to as White Gas.
--
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On 9/15/2010 12:01 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
>> Yup - Amoco was the only White Gas that I'm aware of. It's all they
>> sold if I remember correctly.
> ---------------------
> They also sold leaded gasoline.
>
> Had to in order to be competitive.
>
> Strictly from memory, leaded gas was maybe $0.21-$0.22/gal while Amoco
> premium was about $0.25/gal.
Amoco's big selling point was that their gas was unleaded. Lead isn't
necessary to obtain high octane, it's just the cheap way to do it.
However it was also not the "white gas" that one used in one's two-cycle
outboard.
On 9/15/2010 1:50 PM, Nahmie wrote:
> On Sep 14, 8:52 pm, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>>
>>>> Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of
>>>> leaded gas. White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring
>>>> agents. It was really more naptha.
>>> -------------------------
>>> Way back when, I used the highest premium (highest cost) available
>>> from Amoco in my 2 cycle Harley Davidson motorcycle.
>>
>>> It was "white gas".
>>
>>> A fill up set me back a whole $0.50.
>>
>>> Oh for those days of yester year when the minimum wage was $0.50/hr.
>>
>> Yup - Amoco was the only White Gas that I'm aware of. It's all they sold if
>> I remember correctly. Folks would buy Coleman fuel for 3-4 times as much,
>> but Amoco was exactly the same stuff and worked just fine in those laterns
>> and cookstoves.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected] Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> IIRC, most stations back then also had a separate pump around the
> corner, or a barrel with pump to sell white gas for lanterns,
> cookstoves, etc.
Yep. And Coleman fuel is naphtha, not gasoline.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
...
>> Possibly Coleman fuel for camp stoves/lanterns etc., I have heard that
>> referred to as White Gas.
>
> Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of leaded gas.
> White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring agents. ...
That's so...it was "white" gas because it didn't have the orange
"regular" or purple "premium" dye nor tetraethyl lead.
> It was really more naptha.
That's not right; it was the same base gasoline without the
additives/dyes as you stated above.
Naptha is generally the stuff of the Coleman stove, etc., and has
supplanted the previous usage of "white gas" leading to two different
things by the same generic name...
--
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:53:08 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote
>>>Geeze - where do you get ethanol fee gas these days?
>> Here in Canada I can still buy it at my Shell station. Ethanol goes in
>> the regular at 10%. None in the premium. Makes the mid grade 5% and
>> meets all the requirements of the law while giving people the OPTION.
>
>Not very good options, at least here. The premium and mid grade price
>difference from regular is much greater than any additional benefits from
>ethanol free can give you. From regular to mid grade is at least 20¢ more
>per US gallon.
From regular to mid up here is generally about 7 cents per LITER.
However, there are some situations where ethanol is just too much
trouble and 50 cents a gallon extra is your ONLY option.
<[email protected]> wrote
>>Geeze - where do you get ethanol fee gas these days?
> Here in Canada I can still buy it at my Shell station. Ethanol goes in
> the regular at 10%. None in the premium. Makes the mid grade 5% and
> meets all the requirements of the law while giving people the OPTION.
Not very good options, at least here. The premium and mid grade price
difference from regular is much greater than any additional benefits from
ethanol free can give you. From regular to mid grade is at least 20¢ more
per US gallon.
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0eaf9d2f-5a13-4f38-a1d9-87f86288e7bc@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> Someone asked what white spirits is. I don't know what it is.
> Mineral spirits? They referenced the term as being used in England/
> Britain.
>
It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a cheaper
version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I don't know what
you would call it in the US.
Tim W
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:22:13 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:22:45 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Coleman stoves and lanterns run just fine on today's etanol-free
>>>> unleaded gasoline too. Ethanol will kill the gas generator in VERY
>>>> short order.
>>>
>>> Geeze - where do you get ethanol fee gas these days?
>>
>> There is a Liberty station here that sells it. It's pretty
>> consistently $.11 more a gallon than another off-brand across the
>> road.
>
>I'll have to pay better attention, but it's been a while since I noticed any
>stations in Central NY that didn't have 10% gas.
Take a closer look. The tag says "may contain up to 10% ethanol"
If the regular contains 10%, premium can contain 0%, and midgrade 5%.
Common practice.
Or, both premium and regular can contain "up to" 10%, so the mid grade
can also contain "up to" 10% - which on any given day can be
significantly less than 10%.
Also common practice.
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:41:22 -0500, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> FrozenNorth wrote:
>>...
>>
>>>> Possibly Coleman fuel for camp stoves/lanterns etc., I have heard that
>>>> referred to as White Gas.
>>>
>>> Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of leaded gas.
>>> White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring agents. ...
>>
>>That's so...it was "white" gas because it didn't have the orange
>>"regular" or purple "premium" dye nor tetraethyl lead.
>>
>>> It was really more naptha.
>>
>>That's not right; it was the same base gasoline without the
>>additives/dyes as you stated above.
>>
>>Naptha is generally the stuff of the Coleman stove, etc., and has
>>supplanted the previous usage of "white gas" leading to two different
>>things by the same generic name...
>
>Coleman-type camp stove ran just fine on the 'white gas' you got from
>the service station, back in the days when you _could_ get it there. :).
>
>Genuine 'Coleman fuel" burns cleaner, so you dont get the same degree
>of soot build up on the outside of the cookware.
Coleman stoves and lanterns run just fine on today's etanol-free
unleaded gasoline too. Ethanol will kill the gas generator in VERY
short order.
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:22:45 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Coleman stoves and lanterns run just fine on today's etanol-free
>> unleaded gasoline too. Ethanol will kill the gas generator in VERY
>> short order.
>
>Geeze - where do you get ethanol fee gas these days?
There is a Liberty station here that sells it. It's pretty consistently $.11
more a gallon than another off-brand across the road.
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:04:53 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>FrozenNorth wrote:
>> On 9/14/10 3:47 PM, Tim W wrote:
>>> "Sonny"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:0eaf9d2f-5a13-4f38-a1d9-87f86288e7bc@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Someone asked what white spirits is. I don't know what it is.
>>>> Mineral spirits? They referenced the term as being used in England/
>>>> Britain.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's what we use for thinning oil paints and cleaning brushes, a
>>> cheaper version of turpentine. Sometimes called turps substitute. I
>>> don't know what you would call it in the US.
>>>
>> Possibly Coleman fuel for camp stoves/lanterns etc., I have heard that
>> referred to as White Gas.
>
>Completely different. White gas is an old term from the days of leaded gas.
>White gas was gas that had no additives or coloring agents. It was really
>more naptha.
White spirits - AKA Stoddard solvent - AKA Varsol - AKA low odour
paint thinner - AKA Safety solvent - AKA Murlex - AKA dry cleaning
fluid - aka charcoal lighter fluid
In the colonies also known as Clear Paraffin.
However, there is another common definition for "white spirits" which
is totally different - clear alcoholic beverages such as Gin, white
rum, Vodka etc ate also known as "white spirits"
A less common, and older usage is for "white gas" or Coleman fuel.
Back in the thirties and there-abouts it was referred to as "white
spirits" in the Americas, and apparently also in Australia????
Try to run an old coleman stove, which called for "white spirits" or
"coleman fuel" as the fuel of choice on the first "white spirits" and
all you'll get is a lot of smoke