US Veteran's Day

On 11/14/2010 2:58 PM, DGDevin wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>> Oh man, that's a grotesque set of numbers. Just on the off-chance,
>>> have you ever seen Blackadder Goes Forth? Specifically the last
>>> episode? That'll choke you.
>
>> No ... never even heard of it until just now.
>
> Very much worth seeing. My wife recently asked if the complete box-set
> of Black Adder on sale at Amazon would be a nice Christmas present and I
> said it would be, so I expect to see it under the tree next month. But
> that last episode is startling, a comedy where everyone dies in the
> final episode is not what one expects.

Between you and David, it definitely sounds worth checking it out ...
thanks.

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:46:25 -0800 (PST), David Paste
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Nov 11, 10:29 pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
>dot net> wrote:
>
>> You Brits have taken weapons phobia to new heights.
>
>No, the government have probably looked at stats and decided that it's
>cheaper to stop people keeping guns than it is to treat the ensuing
>wounds, or to widely teach how to use them. Never under-estimate the
>ability of the UK 'government' to fuck things up from the sole point
>of view of finance. BUT! Judging how many people in the US are
>killed / injured by firearms each year, and comparing that to other
>countries, notably Switzerland, it's clear that it is more complex
>than I am bothered about reading. The long and short of it means that
>bad guys in the UK will still be able to get hold of guns and use them
>nefariously, but children and clueless dipshits are MUCH less likely
>to accidentally shoot their foot off. Gun clubs are still relatively
>common in the UK, by the way. People who want to shoot safely, can do.

Here in the USA, there are a few hundred million guns and over half of
the deaths are from suicides, 56.1%). With no guns, why is it that
you Brits have a higher -rate- of murder with guns than we do? Hmm?
Because only the criminals have them now. Do you feel safer, booby?

Hell, CARS kill more people than guns do here.

Clueless dipshit kill and maim themselves and others at an astounding
rate, and it doesn't matter what they have in their hands at the time.
Generally, guns are kept out of their hands.


>> You have brainwashed chefs proclaiming there is no needs for cooking knives.
>
>Other than the media will give air-time to any old bellend in the
>public eye who has an opinion, what does that prove?

Like the "children shooting each other with guns" thing? Ten times
more kids drown than are hurt with guns, but bad parenting isn't
pursued as a crime until their poor kids hurt or kill themselves.


>> We get media reports on a semi regular basis that shows one more idiotic example of you
>> you are turning into a siisified nanny state.
>
>Give an example, please. I would hazard a guess that that in the
>majority of these 'reports', facts have been eschewed in favour of
>rabble-rousing rhetoric. And perhaps, alliteration. The US 'news'
>channels are world-renowned as being nothing more than corporate-
>funded opinion-mongers, not that the UK have much better, but you
>should be HUGELY sceptical of anything you see in the US news.

Yup. <sigh> (That's why I turned it off several years ago and haven't
missed it...at all.) How much better is your BBC, though?


>>And there are many folks in the US who are trying to do this here as well.
>
>So do something about it then.

Hopefully, we'll get rid of those rabble rousers and sanity will
prevail.


>> Is that what they fought and died for?  To be a bunch of sissies?
>
>No, I reckon that they probably fought to defeat fascism. Ignorance is
>a fascism, too, you know.

Look at your country's statistics, man. Then you can be first to tell
us about ignorance and denial from firsthand experience.

It's not guns we need to get under control. It's criminals. DUH!

--
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On Nov 11, 10:29=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:

> You Brits have taken weapons phobia to new heights.

No, the government have probably looked at stats and decided that it's
cheaper to stop people keeping guns than it is to treat the ensuing
wounds, or to widely teach how to use them. Never under-estimate the
ability of the UK 'government' to fuck things up from the sole point
of view of finance. BUT! Judging how many people in the US are
killed / injured by firearms each year, and comparing that to other
countries, notably Switzerland, it's clear that it is more complex
than I am bothered about reading. The long and short of it means that
bad guys in the UK will still be able to get hold of guns and use them
nefariously, but children and clueless dipshits are MUCH less likely
to accidentally shoot their foot off. Gun clubs are still relatively
common in the UK, by the way. People who want to shoot safely, can do.

> You have brainwashed chefs proclaiming there is no needs for cooking kniv=
es.

Other than the media will give air-time to any old bellend in the
public eye who has an opinion, what does that prove?

> We get media reports on a semi regular basis that shows one more idiotic =
example of you
> you are turning into a siisified nanny state.

Give an example, please. I would hazard a guess that that in the
majority of these 'reports', facts have been eschewed in favour of
rabble-rousing rhetoric. And perhaps, alliteration. The US 'news'
channels are world-renowned as being nothing more than corporate-
funded opinion-mongers, not that the UK have much better, but you
should be HUGELY sceptical of anything you see in the US news.

>And there are many folks in the US who are trying to do this here as well.

So do something about it then.

> Is that what they fought and died for? =A0To be a bunch of sissies?

No, I reckon that they probably fought to defeat fascism. Ignorance is
a fascism, too, you know.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:50:06 -0800 (PST), David Paste
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Nov 12, 2:07 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>Larry - did you actually read and comprehend what I wrote? Or just
>type out a knee-jerk reaction to each sentence? Come on man, you're
>better than that.

<blink, blink> Yeah, I read it and reread it to make sure I was
catching it--in context. What do you think I missed?

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On 11/11/2010 4:26 PM, Han wrote:

> Disbelief, I think you are misinterpreting my words. I said ALL
> veterans. Most f Holland (where I grew up) was liberated by Brits and
> Canadiens. My high school was on the General Foulkes Road, the Canadian
> general who accepted the surrender of the Germans in Holland in the town
> where I grew up, Wageningen. That is about 8 miles from Arnhem, where
> many Poles, Brits, Canadians and others died in Operation Market Garden
> (the movie A Bridge Too Far). I could go on ...

You're wasting your time, Han ... that's not what he's up to.

Trolls can try to revise history, but they can't change the facts for
the following WW II Allied military dead (estimated, as in all war
casualties) who are remembered on this day:

British Empire and Commonwealth 452.000
France 250.000
USA 295.000
Soviet Union 13.600.000
Belgium 10.000
Holland 10.000
Norway 10.000
Poland 120.000
Greece 20.000
Yugoslavia 300.000
Checoslovaquia 20.000
China 3.500.000


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It is absolutely incredible to me that a three line, heartfelt post
expressing appreciation for military veterans can be turned into the
normal, whiny sewage this group turns out.

How?

How could some of you hijack a three sentence thread and turn it into
a pedantic, snotty diatribe on your personal off topic opinions? WTF
is the matter with you guys?

All of us owe a great debt to those who have served and are serving.
All of us. Every single one.

To turn this thread into anything but an expression of that thought is
petty and enormously selfish. Shame on some of you. So damn little
is done these days to show how much we care about our veterans,
especially those in need.

Shame on you.

As a small bit of show of my appreciation for a job well done, I will
be serving the soldiers and their families dinner on Sunday at Brook
Army Medical Center at the Intrepid facility. Their Veteran's Day
dinner is held this weekend so that their families can be off work and
school to come visit them in the hospital.

http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/About-IFHF.aspx

With the time and energy spent here with pedantic squabbling and wry
political observations, why not REALLY give shit and do something
besides talk about it? The link above has a button for anyone wanting
to donate.

Time around the brave soldiers at the center that have been brutally
maimed is profoundly humbling. To see their struggle towards recovery
will bring you to tears. Only one of my friends can take an evening
of it, and it is gut wrenching. To have them **thank me** for
volunteering makes me really, completely uncomfortable. It's just a
few days of coordination and on evening on my part. For them? These
guys are "catastrophically" wounded. Their lives are starting over.

But on the other hand, an afternoon and evening with them can be
rewarding as hell. I am pleased to be able to help where I can. I
will also be on a fact finding mission Sunday to see if how many want
a good cigar for the courtyard outside to smoke during Sunday night
football. Cigars always seem to cheer these guys up, even though 99%
of them never really smoke them.

Those guys are what the day is about. You guys can take any thread
you want to twist into a political rant or a pulpit to for your
opinions Let this thread be.

I would personally like to extend my heartfelt thanks and gratitude to
all that have served and are serving.

Robert

Tim W wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:3f96e96e-2451-4511-b70a-a8655f6cc016@u25g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> It is absolutely incredible to me ....
> [snipped everything]
>
> I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will
> skip that.
>
> I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you
> hate my politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.
>
> I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and
> all the crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot
> to say about it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how
> great the US military is should provoke a response? Don't you know
> that waving your flag around is offensive and provocative? Welcome to
> the big wide world.
> Tim W

I guess it just sucks to be you then.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> From one veteran to all others:
>
> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>
> Hope you're having a great day.
>
> --
>
> MJ
>
> Army 1966 - 1970


Same to you and all other vets.

Max
US Army, 1949-1953
1st Cav. Korea, '50 - '51

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 11/11/2010 2:44 PM, Tim W wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:5c65203f-6678-4351-bbee-63dd2556891f@r31g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> From one veteran to all others:
>>>
>>> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>>>
>>> Hope you're having a great day.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't this an international group?
>
> What does that have to do with it?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

Leave it to the Brits to screw up Remembrance day.

Disarming Remembrance Day

November 9, 2010: A hundred teenage members of the British Army Cadet Force
in Plymouth have been suddenly told that they would not be able to carry
rifles, as they traditionally have, during the annual November 11th
Remembrance Day parade. The reason given was that it was inappropriate to
have the teenage cadets carrying rifles in public because it glamorizes
weapons. The cadets disagreed, but the decision stood.

The Army Cadet Force began 160 years ago as an organization for boys who
were intent on eventually joining the militia (a local defense tradition
dating back over a thousand years). The Cadet Corps quickly became a
national organization and was supported by the British Army as a way to
introduce teenage boys to the military, and help recruiting. The Army Cadet
Force lost its government funding in the 1920s, but continued via donations
from individuals and local organizations. The Army Cadet Force was similar
to the Boy Scouts (also founded in Britain), but with a more military
orientation. This included the local cadets marching in Remembrance Day
parades, often with the rifles they had learned to use, and had practiced
drilling with. Girls were allowed to join the Army Cadet Force in the 1980s.

Currently, there are about 1,700 Army Cadet Force detachments, with 47,000
cadets and 8,500 adult staff and instructors. With the decline in the number
of veterans (conscription was abolished in the 1950s and the armed forces
has been shrinking ever since), more and more of the adult staff have had no
military experience. Thus the emphasis on military matters has declined, and
the Army Cadet Force was increasingly described by its leadership as a
youth, not military, organization. As a result of this, ten years ago, a new
rule was introduced that eliminated cadets carrying rifles during parades.
But the rule was not always enforced. This year, in Plymouth, it was. This
got some media attention, especially since the cadets had carried their
rifles in a parade two months ago. The sudden decision to enforce the "no
rifles" rule was attributed to complaints from members of the public. But
it's actually been a long term trend.

Remembrance Day commemorates the end of World War I, and has come to be an
event that honors all war dead. Remembrance Day events are held in Britain,
and most Allied countries who participated in World War I. In the U.S.,
November 11th is called Veterans Day, because Americans commemorate the war
dead on Memorial Day in May, an occasion that dates to the 19th century
custom of honoring the dead of the American Civil War (1861-5), and later
modified to cover the dead from all American wars. Thus the November 11
commemorations in Europe and the British Commonwealth, are a bigger deal
than they are in the United States.

"Disbelief" wrote
>
> From a Brit.
>
> You really don't need to carry arms to remember those that fell in war, in
> fact, there were millions in the UK who didn't. This isn't America where
> carrying arms is almost mandatory and guns are worshipped as gods!
>
> Let us do as we wish, as you do in your country - after all, that's what
> the men who fought these wars died for.
You Brits have taken weapons phobia to new heights. You have brainwashed
chefs proclaiming there is no needs for cooking knives. We get media
reports on a semi regular basis that shows one more idiotic example of you
you are turning into a siisified nanny state. And there are many folks in
the US who are trying to do this here as well.

Is that what they fought and died for? To be a bunch of sissies?

RE: Subject

I'm old enough to remember when Nov 11 was celebrated as "Armistice
Day" in honor of those who served in WWI.

First celebrated to remember "The eleventh month, the eleventh day,
the eleventh hour".

The change to "Veteran's Day is a rather recent event.

Lew

"Swingman" wrote:

> Depends upon the perspective of age:
>
> June 1, 1954
>
> My 25 daughter thinks it has always been that way ... and it has, to
> her.
>
> :)
-----------------------------
The year McCain graduated from high school.

Lew

"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Quite the comedian, dimbulb.
>
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Didn't your mother ever teach you that there are times when if you can't
> say something nice you shouldn't say anything? If not, there are such
> times, and Veteran's Day is one of them.
> ----------------------------------------------
>
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> A lot of unburned off energy on this group.
>>
>> It's real easy...just like this.
>>
>> Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?
>>
>>
>> LOL
>
> Josepi, FOAD.
>
> <plonk>

I take it that a lot of you guys who live in cold climates have unheated
shops.

Max

I was alluding to the likelihood that many of you had not enough to do and
so you were engaging in a little prattle.
"The fire ants must be hibernating".

Max

Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Right now my garage is my shop until I get more of my home finished.
>
> Yes, things get cold and when the real cold starts the shop work has to
> stop. No more spraying or even wood cutting (the mitts get caught in the
> cutter...LOL)
>
> Right now it's just a sweater and things are still workable during Indian
> Summer, especialy.
>
> Once I progess more on the home finishing the shop will get moved into the
> garden shed. (538 sq. ft. was the max permitted) and then the hydronic
> heating needs to be repaired and the solar heat collection system needs
> some
> repairs and then.....**SIGH**. ...someday...LOL
>
>
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I take it that a lot of you guys who live in cold climates have unheated
> shops.
>
> Max

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On 11/11/2010 5:29 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> I'm old enough to remember when Nov 11 was celebrated as "Armistice
> Day" in honor of those who served in WWI.
>
> First celebrated to remember "The eleventh month, the eleventh day,
> the eleventh hour".
>
> The change to "Veteran's Day is a rather recent event.

Depends upon the perspective of age:

June 1, 1954

My 25 daughter thinks it has always been that way ... and it has, to her.

:)


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A snappy salute to my late father, four tiny bronze stars on each of his WW
II United States Army Air Corps medals in the Pacific Theater.

Steve

On Nov 14, 3:58=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" =A0wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >> Oh man, that's a grotesque set of numbers. Just on the off-chance,
> >> have you ever seen Blackadder Goes Forth? Specifically the last
> >> episode? That'll choke you.
> > No ... never even heard of it until just now.
>
> Very much worth seeing. =A0My wife recently asked if the complete box-set=
of
> Black Adder on sale at Amazon would be a nice Christmas present and I sai=
d
> it would be, so I expect to see it under the tree next month. =A0But that=
last
> episode is startling, a comedy where everyone dies in the final episode i=
s
> not what one expects.

Thanks for spoiling the surprise. <G>

On Nov 13, 9:02=A0am, "Disbelief" <disbelief@diilly-
daally....invalid.com> wrote:

> That's the trouble with many Yanks, they're big, thick, mean and won't
> accept any other opinion than theirs - even if that opinion is wrong.

Which of course, begs the question of why we would accept another
opinion if we know it is wrong?

I am an unashamed flag waver of my country. I love the USA. We do a
few things wrong, but we do a whole lot right. NO OTHER COUNTRY ON
THIS EARTH is held to the same standards, the same scrutiny, or is
judged so freely in the world court of opinion as the USA.

This thread was started about appreciation of US (read: United States)
veterans. Not about you, not about your country, not about your
politics, your ideology, you personal feelings, or your ability to
hijack a thread to suit your personal agenda.

One more time, it was a simple expression of thanks to soldiers FROM
THE US that served. (Read the topic heading. It should have been a
clue.)

However, your dumbass should know that when we have our Veterans Day
events here, there are vets from all over the world that are honored.
The foreign vets seem especially grateful to be remembered for their
service.

> Think I'm wrong, well look well beyond the end of the American nose and t=
ake
> a great big sniff!

I don't care about your opinion. It is your lack of respect for
others that pisses me off. I cannot imagine a Brit posting an
"England's Remembrance Day" topic and receiving a snotty and
sanctimonious lecture on world politics from an American on how piss
poor England is thought of across the world.

I see from your post count and where your newsgroup posts land that
you are either just a political troll, or a coward hiding behind a
fake name.

In either case, please go away. You are just about everything I can't
stand in people regardless of their country of origin. Rudy,
disrespectful, simple minded idiots know no home country.

Troll boy, crawl back under your rock.

Robert

in 1482748 20101113 173415 "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Nov 13, 9:02=A0am, "Disbelief" <disbelief@diilly-
>daally....invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> That's the trouble with many Yanks, they're big, thick, mean and won't
>> accept any other opinion than theirs - even if that opinion is wrong.
>
>Which of course, begs the question of why we would accept another
>opinion if we know it is wrong?

Thanks for the laugh! http://begthequestion.info/

On Nov 12, 1:12=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Don't blame you ... although a coonass from the swamps of S. Louisiana,
> I lived and worked in the UK back in the early 60's, my first wife (with
> a posh accent, and the reason why I never could stand the "East Enders"
> TV series with that damned cockney accent) was from Staines, just
> outside London. My oldest, born in Bryan, TX, but went to uni in
> Sheffield, is married to a fine Yorkshire lad, and they live, with my
> two grandsons, in Sheffield.

I have to say, I am mystified when people move TO the UK rather than
FROM - life ain't the best here, it is terribly overcrowded, as you
mention. And property prices? Well, it's a joke. The country is skint
and not going to get better for a while. If I had the chance, I'd
probably move to the states. But then again, the grass is always
greener, no?!

What did you do over here, just out of interest? I come from a town
which used to have a huge US air base just to the north, several of my
aunts got hitched to the airmen and not live the life of Riley on the
west coast of America.

> I visit as often as I can, but not often enough. Having spent a couple
> of years there in the sixties, and again in the early seventies, every
> time I fly into Heathrow now and look down I can't believe how many
> houses there are ... sheesh! ;)

The very idea of Heathrow is enough to make anyone nervous! If you're
off to Sheffield, fly into Manchester if you can.


> You guys are filling that little island to the point that it's going to
> tip over (to paraphrase an American idiot politician).

This is what worries me the most about the future (not just for the
tiny island here, but the world too) - absurd birth rates and
dwindling resources. I'm not an apocalyptic type, and I know we'll
find ways of coping, but it'll inevitably be at the expense of
personal space and the ability to just escape. /moan.


> BTW, the first British TV program that just floored me was Peter Cook
> and Dudley Moore's "Not Only, But Also" ... perhaps before your time. :)

Ha! Not seen that, but had their records / tapes on almost continual
repeat as a teenager. Funny stuff indeed.

On 11/11/2010 2:44 PM, Tim W wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:5c65203f-6678-4351-bbee-63dd2556891f@r31g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> From one veteran to all others:
>>
>> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>>
>> Hope you're having a great day.
>>
>
>
> Isn't this an international group?

What does that have to do with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day


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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
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>
>
[...]
>
> Is that what they fought and died for? To be a bunch of sissies?
>


They had a lot of reasons for that. Some because they thought the war would
enable people to live in peace, some because they would get shot by their
own side if they didn't. I suppose there must have been some that just loved
flags and uniforms and guns and violence.

Generally in my country the war dead are remembered on this day with grief
and sadness as well as pride. It is not ever a celebration of how great our
military is. It is about loss and mourning.

Tim W

On 11/13/2010 11:34 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> Troll boy, crawl back under your rock.

In support of your post, I've lived in many countries, circled the globe
a couple of times plus, and have yet to observe that the citizens of any
one country are more or less perfect than those in any other.

The vitriol spouted by the troll is no more than a public display of
personal "ignorance", more to be pitied because he has to live with
knowing, intimately, that that is the case ... anonymity notwithstanding.

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Right now my garage is my shop until I get more of my home finished.

Yes, things get cold and when the real cold starts the shop work has to
stop. No more spraying or even wood cutting (the mitts get caught in the
cutter...LOL)

Right now it's just a sweater and things are still workable during Indian
Summer, especialy.

Once I progess more on the home finishing the shop will get moved into the
garden shed. (538 sq. ft. was the max permitted) and then the hydronic
heating needs to be repaired and the solar heat collection system needs some
repairs and then.....**SIGH**. ...someday...LOL


"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I take it that a lot of you guys who live in cold climates have unheated
shops.

Max

"CW" wrote in message
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>>, a comedy where everyone dies in the final episode is
>> not what one expects.

> They do know. Do you often tell people how books turn out too?

If they already know then I didn't ruin it for them, did I.

A lot of unburned off energy on this group.

It's real easy...just like this.

Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?


LOL

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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It is absolutely incredible to me that a three line, heartfelt post
expressing appreciation for military veterans can be turned into the
normal, whiny sewage this group turns out.

How?

How could some of you hijack a three sentence thread and turn it into
a pedantic, snotty diatribe on your personal off topic opinions? WTF
is the matter with you guys?

All of us owe a great debt to those who have served and are serving.
All of us. Every single one.

To turn this thread into anything but an expression of that thought is
petty and enormously selfish. Shame on some of you. So damn little
is done these days to show how much we care about our veterans,
especially those in need.

Shame on you.

As a small bit of show of my appreciation for a job well done, I will
be serving the soldiers and their families dinner on Sunday at Brook
Army Medical Center at the Intrepid facility. Their Veteran's Day
dinner is held this weekend so that their families can be off work and
school to come visit them in the hospital.

http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/About-IFHF.aspx

With the time and energy spent here with pedantic squabbling and wry
political observations, why not REALLY give shit and do something
besides talk about it? The link above has a button for anyone wanting
to donate.

Time around the brave soldiers at the center that have been brutally
maimed is profoundly humbling. To see their struggle towards recovery
will bring you to tears. Only one of my friends can take an evening
of it, and it is gut wrenching. To have them **thank me** for
volunteering makes me really, completely uncomfortable. It's just a
few days of coordination and on evening on my part. For them? These
guys are "catastrophically" wounded. Their lives are starting over.

But on the other hand, an afternoon and evening with them can be
rewarding as hell. I am pleased to be able to help where I can. I
will also be on a fact finding mission Sunday to see if how many want
a good cigar for the courtyard outside to smoke during Sunday night
football. Cigars always seem to cheer these guys up, even though 99%
of them never really smoke them.

Those guys are what the day is about. You guys can take any thread
you want to twist into a political rant or a pulpit to for your
opinions Let this thread be.

I would personally like to extend my heartfelt thanks and gratitude to
all that have served and are serving.

Robert

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Didn't your mother ever teach you that there are times when if you can't
> say something nice you shouldn't say anything? If not, there are such
> times, and Veteran's Day is one of them.
>

Exactly right. I am in total agreement.

Tim W

Finally exposed yourself again. How many times and how long have you been
waiting to find something to not laugh at?..ROFLMFAO

SUFO


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Josepi, FOAD.

<plonk>




In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> A lot of unburned off energy on this group.
>
> It's real easy...just like this.
>
> Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?
>
>
> LOL

In article <[email protected]>, disbelief@diilly-
daally....invalid.com says...
>
> Han wrote:
> > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > news:5c65203f-6678-
> > [email protected]:
> >
> >> From one veteran to all others:
> >>
> >> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
> >>
> >> Hope you're having a great day.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> MJ
> >>
> >> Army 1966 - 1970
> >
> > I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who
> > liberated Europe in WWII.
> >
> > My hat off to all veterans!
>
>
> With all due respects to your veterans Han, there were a few other countries
> who were actually fighting from 1939 to 1945.
>
> America entered the war in December 1941 and then *HELPED* to liberate
> Europe, along with the British, Anzac, Canadian, Indian, Polish, French,
> Russian and many other armies - as *THEY* helped America to defeat the
> Japanese.

And another whiny twit <plonked>.

> America was also late entering the war to end all wars 1914 - 1918 and only
> participating from 1917.
>
> Please read a true history on those conflicts before you infer that America
> won anything single handily.
>
>
> Once again, my respects to *ALL* the allies that fought and died in war.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> A lot of unburned off energy on this group.
>
> It's real easy...just like this.
>
> Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?
>
>
> LOL

Josepi, FOAD.

<plonk>

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:3f96e96e-2451-4511-b70a-a8655f6cc016@u25g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> > It is absolutely incredible to me ....
> [snipped everything]
>
> I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will skip
> that.
>
> I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you hate my
> politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.
>
> I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and all the
> crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot to say about
> it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how great the US military is
> should provoke a response? Don't you know that waving your flag around is
> offensive and provocative? Welcome to the big wide world.

Didn't your mother ever teach you that there are times when if you can't
say something nice you shouldn't say anything? If not, there are such
times, and Veteran's Day is one of them.

On 11/12/2010 9:50 AM, David Paste wrote:

> What did you do over here, just out of interest? I come from a town
> which used to have a huge US air base just to the north, several of my
> aunts got hitched to the airmen and not live the life of Riley on the
> west coast of America.

Civilian. I worked for Heston Aircraft out of Heston Airport, on the BAC
1-11. Also worked for a cabinetmaker in Hounslow whose family had been
in business a couple of hundred years ... just a new business by y'alls
standards. ;)

>> I visit as often as I can, but not often enough. Having spent a couple
>> of years there in the sixties, and again in the early seventies, every
>> time I fly into Heathrow now and look down I can't believe how many
>> houses there are ... sheesh! ;)
>
> The very idea of Heathrow is enough to make anyone nervous! If you're
> off to Sheffield, fly into Manchester if you can.

I have friends in Staines, so always go for a visit of a few days of
either end of the drive up to Sheffield.

> Ha! Not seen that, but had their records / tapes on almost continual
> repeat as a teenager. Funny stuff indeed.

Nothing on earth like British humor ... takes some getting used to, but
once you get it you don't need a laugh track to cue you. :)

Good talking to you David ... maybe we can swing a visit on either end
one of these days.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 11/11/2010 6:26 PM, David Paste wrote:
> On Nov 11, 11:59 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:

>> But damn I love do love those BBC programs. You Brits historically have
>> had the best written TV on the planet.
>
> <glows with benign national pride!>

Don't blame you ... although a coonass from the swamps of S. Louisiana,
I lived and worked in the UK back in the early 60's, my first wife (with
a posh accent, and the reason why I never could stand the "East Enders"
TV series with that damned cockney accent) was from Staines, just
outside London. My oldest, born in Bryan, TX, but went to uni in
Sheffield, is married to a fine Yorkshire lad, and they live, with my
two grandsons, in Sheffield.

I visit as often as I can, but not often enough. Having spent a couple
of years there in the sixties, and again in the early seventies, every
time I fly into Heathrow now and look down I can't believe how many
houses there are ... sheesh! ;)

You guys are filling that little island to the point that it's going to
tip over (to paraphrase an American idiot politician).

BTW, the first British TV program that just floored me was Peter Cook
and Dudley Moore's "Not Only, But Also" ... perhaps before your time. :)

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"Steve Turner" wrote in message
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>>>> , a comedy where everyone dies in the final episode is
>>>> not what one expects.
>>
>>> They do know. Do you often tell people how books turn out too?
>>
>> If they already know then I didn't ruin it for them, did I.

> I think he meant to say "They do now".

Yeah, I got that.

In any case the very end of the final episode doesn't reduce the enjoyment
to be had from the previous two-dozen episodes, it isn't a murder mystery
with a surprise ending.

On 11/11/2010 10:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> From one veteran to all others:
>
> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>
> Hope you're having a great day.

> Army 1966 - 1970

Backatcha: Army 1968 - 1972

On that same note:

http://blog.woodworkingtooltips.com/2010/11/navy-veteran-carves-thedeclaration-of-independence/

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> From one veteran to all others:
>
> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>
> Hope you're having a great day.
>


Isn't this an international group?

Tim w

Disbelief wrote:
>
> [1] As authorised by the dumbest president you ever had, George
> Walker Bush, who during his presidency and in cahoots with his
> backers, has caused the world to be a far more dangerous place -
> along with the death and injury of thousands of American servicemen
> *AND* women (who you recently had cause to remember on your Veterans
> Day) for no other reason that the pure lust for oil from Arabian
> countries - no matter what the cost in lives.

I. It's a common claim that Bush was the dumbest president ever. Of course
those who make the claim cannot substantiate it other than pointing out he
did things they would not have done and, perforce, he must have been stupid.
Here's an example.

I'm sitting on the couch in my date's apartment waiting for her to finish
skinning a muskrat or whatever it is women do when they say "I'll be ready
in just a minute!" when suddenly there's a screech from the bedroom much
louder than the TV news: "That goddamn George Bush should learn some
history!"

"Uh, he has a degree from Yale," I volunteer. "In history."

"That's a goddamn lie!" comes back the reasoned response.

[tappity-tap-tap on her computer]

"Ah, here it is," I report. "He also has an MBA from Harvard."

(by this time she's standing behind me staring in astonished disbelief at
the screen) "The fuckin' Republicans have taken over the internet!"

Thinking quickly, I concocted a complicated, but believable, excuse for
leaving. I think it was "I have to go."

Still, I learned a couple of things from this encounter:
1. Google is not always your friend.
2. Don't date an unmedicated manic-depressive (or a liberal).

[Interestingly, the year the above took place, 2006, Bush read 95 books
while in office.]

As to your lament over the death of our armed service members, don't
despair. Our service members joined the military voluntarily, knowing full
well the chance of death or disability. In many respects, they differed
little from mountain climbers, race car drivers, and sky-divers. The thrill
of killing people and blowing things up was worth the risk and those
afflicted are, in the main, some sanguine about any unfortunate results,
save the regret they didn't kill as many Mohammadens as they would have
liked.

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5c65203f-6678-
[email protected]:

> From one veteran to all others:
>
> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>
> Hope you're having a great day.
>
> --
>
> MJ
>
> Army 1966 - 1970

I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who liberated
Europe in WWII.

My hat off to all veterans!

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Han
email address is invalid

"Disbelief" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Han wrote:
>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:5c65203f-6678-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> From one veteran to all others:
>>>
>>> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>>>
>>> Hope you're having a great day.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> MJ
>>>
>>> Army 1966 - 1970
>>
>> I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who
>> liberated Europe in WWII.
>>
>> My hat off to all veterans!
>
>
> With all due respects to your veterans Han, there were a few other
> countries who were actually fighting from 1939 to 1945.
>
> America entered the war in December 1941 and then *HELPED* to liberate
> Europe, along with the British, Anzac, Canadian, Indian, Polish,
> French, Russian and many other armies - as *THEY* helped America to
> defeat the Japanese.
>
> America was also late entering the war to end all wars 1914 - 1918 and
> only participating from 1917.
>
> Please read a true history on those conflicts before you infer that
> America won anything single handily.
>
>
> Once again, my respects to *ALL* the allies that fought and died in
> war.

Disbelief, I think you are misinterpreting my words. I said ALL
veterans. Most f Holland (where I grew up) was liberated by Brits and
Canadiens. My high school was on the General Foulkes Road, the Canadian
general who accepted the surrender of the Germans in Holland in the town
where I grew up, Wageningen. That is about 8 miles from Arnhem, where
many Poles, Brits, Canadians and others died in Operation Market Garden
(the movie A Bridge Too Far). I could go on ...


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Han
email address is invalid

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It is absolutely incredible to me ....
[snipped everything]

I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will skip
that.

I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you hate my
politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.

I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and all the
crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot to say about
it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how great the US military is
should provoke a response? Don't you know that waving your flag around is
offensive and provocative? Welcome to the big wide world.

Tim W

On Nov 12, 2:07=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:

Larry - did you actually read and comprehend what I wrote? Or just
type out a knee-jerk reaction to each sentence? Come on man, you're
better than that.

On Nov 14, 9:19=A0am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:

> What base and town? I was stationed at RAF Burderop Park for three years.
> Just outside Swindon, Wilts.
> Brize Norton and Fairford were nearby.


RAF Burtonwood, just north of Warrington. It's about in the middle of
Liverpool and Manchester. It is now a half-complete rabbit-hutch
housing estate :-/

On Nov 13, 11:32=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:

> <blink, blink> =A0Yeah, I read it and reread it to make sure I was
> catching it--in context. What do you think I missed?

Well, your reply seems to be railing against what I wrote as if I
wrote something inflammatory about you or your country. I didn't. I
have no axe to grind, merely suggesting reasons for the differences.
You even called me a booby! I don't even have blue feet!

Misplaced apostrophe, should
be Veterans, not Veteran's.

But still the sentiment is the same.

Thanks.

MJ

On Nov 11, 11:59=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> No ... never even heard of it until just now.

It's ostensibly a comedy, but it's a pretty good satire of the time,
too.

> But damn I love do love those BBC programs. You Brits historically have
> had the best written TV on the planet.

<glows with benign national pride!>

> The Masterpiece Theater series
> alone has been a source of years of top quality programming for us yanks.

I had to look that up - seems like it does have a fair share of good
stuff.


> AAMOF, and IMO, your re-runs are about the only thing worth watching on
> the 500 available channel options I have ... a literal garbage heap,
> almost without exception.

Yeah, sadly we are getting the same thing now - many channels of junk.
But there are still the occasional gems to be found. Cracker is the
last series I really got in to, but there is also a lot really good US
stuff shown here, but I suppose we have less manure to shovel through
to find it. For all the wrongness that has beset the BBC over the past
decade or so, it still delivers good TV every now and again. But the
radio side of the operation is the real gold mine at the minute, in my
humble opinion.

What saddens me the most is the dumbing-down of science shows. We used
to have a terrific series called Horizon, it is no longer terrific.
The last really good science show I saw was Aubrey Manning's 'Earth
Story' (late 1990s) - absolutely brilliant, catch it if you can.

Cheers.

On 11/13/2010 5:35 PM, David Paste wrote:
> On Nov 12, 10:39 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Good talking to you David ... maybe we can swing a visit on either end
>> one of these days.
>
> There'll be a pint with your name on it mate!

Pale Rider'll do ... my shout!

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On Nov 12, 10:39=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Good talking to you David ... maybe we can swing a visit on either end
> one of these days.

There'll be a pint with your name on it mate!

On Nov 11, 12:06=A0pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5c65203f-6678=
-
> [email protected]:
>
> > From one veteran to all others:
>
> > I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>
> > Hope you're having a great day.
>
> > --
>
> > MJ
>
> > Army 1966 - 1970
>
> I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who liberate=
d
> Europe in WWII.
>
> My hat off to all veterans!
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid

Ditto.

During an interview a WWII vet was asked if he considered himself a
hero, having landed at Normandy.... he thought for a moment and said:
"Naw...the heroes all died....."

Disbelief wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Tim W wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:3f96e96e-2451-4511-b70a-a8655f6cc016@u25g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>>> It is absolutely incredible to me ....
>>> [snipped everything]
>>>
>>> I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will
>>> skip that.
>>>
>>> I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you
>>> hate my politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.
>>>
>>> I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and
>>> all the crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a
>>> lot to say about it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how
>>> great the US military is should provoke a response? Don't you know
>>> that waving your flag around is offensive and provocative? Welcome
>>> to the big wide world.
>>> Tim W
>>
>> I guess it just sucks to be you then.
>
> That's the trouble with many Yanks, they're big, thick, mean and won't
> accept any other opinion than theirs - even if that opinion is wrong.
>

How did I not accept anything? I just said it must suck to be Tim. He
seems overly upset over this Veteran's Day thing. You seem to share in
Tim's excess in the manner in which you launch off.

> Believe me, in the great wide world (outside the USA borders that
> is), one of the most detested flags is "Old Glory", which to many, is
> synonymous with violence, greed, intransigence, bully-boy tactics,
> torture [1] and total lack of compassion.

Fine.

>
> Since the fall of the USSR superpower, the brakes seem to have been
> removed and Americans now want not only to run their own country, but
> the rest of the world as well under their own dogma - and woe-betide
> those that disagree.

Nah - we've always wanted to run the whole world.

>
> [1] As authorised by the dumbest president you ever had, George
> Walker Bush, who during his presidency and in cahoots with his
> backers, has caused the world to be a far more dangerous place -
> along with the death and injury of thousands of American servicemen
> *AND* women (who you recently had cause to remember on your Veterans
> Day) for no other reason that the pure lust for oil from Arabian
> countries - no matter what the cost in lives.

Geeze - you're right. Send us a few of those perfect people from your world
so we don't have to put up with guys like this, will ya? You've take this
from Veteran's Day to your own personal diatribe on your own personal
political beliefs - just like Tim did. You guys both need to go get a beer
and relax.

>
> Before you spout off your vitriol: 9/11 was not the cause of the
> invasion of Iraq, there was no danger to America or the rest of the
> world there, and neither was Al Qaeda.

My vitrol? You're funny. Both you and Tim are the only two to have spouted
off any vitrol that I've seen. All I said is it must suck to be Tim. He's
clearly a very upset individual. So far all I see is you and he throwing
the vitrol about. Sucks to by you too, I guess.

>
> Think I'm wrong, well look well beyond the end of the American nose
> and take a great big sniff!

I did - and at least from your end of the world, the smell is not very good.

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On 11/11/10 12:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Misplaced apostrophe, should
> be Veterans, not Veteran's.
>

ehem..... Veterans' Day
in any case, I think most just leave out the apostrophe, altogether.

Irony aside, thank you to any woodworking veterans in this group.
You willingness to serve in my stead for my freedom is not something I
take lightly.
You have my utmost respect and gratitude.


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Han wrote:
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:5c65203f-6678-
> [email protected]:
>
>> From one veteran to all others:
>>
>> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>>
>> Hope you're having a great day.
>>
>> --
>>
>> MJ
>>
>> Army 1966 - 1970
>
> I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who
> liberated Europe in WWII.
>
> My hat off to all veterans!


With all due respects to your veterans Han, there were a few other countries
who were actually fighting from 1939 to 1945.

America entered the war in December 1941 and then *HELPED* to liberate
Europe, along with the British, Anzac, Canadian, Indian, Polish, French,
Russian and many other armies - as *THEY* helped America to defeat the
Japanese.

America was also late entering the war to end all wars 1914 - 1918 and only
participating from 1917.

Please read a true history on those conflicts before you infer that America
won anything single handily.


Once again, my respects to *ALL* the allies that fought and died in war.

Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 11/11/2010 2:44 PM, Tim W wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:5c65203f-6678-4351-bbee-63dd2556891f@r31g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> From one veteran to all others:
>>>>
>>>> I want to thank you for your service to our country.
>>>>
>>>> Hope you're having a great day.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't this an international group?
>>
>> What does that have to do with it?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day
>
> Leave it to the Brits to screw up Remembrance day.
>
> Disarming Remembrance Day
>
> November 9, 2010: A hundred teenage members of the British Army Cadet
> Force in Plymouth have been suddenly told that they would not be able
> to carry rifles, as they traditionally have, during the annual
> November 11th Remembrance Day parade. The reason given was that it
> was inappropriate to have the teenage cadets carrying rifles in
> public because it glamorizes weapons. The cadets disagreed, but the
> decision stood.

Snipped

From a Brit.

You really don't need to carry arms to remember those that fell in war, in
fact, there were millions in the UK who didn't. This isn't America where
carrying arms is almost mandatory and guns are worshipped as gods!

Let us do as we wish, as you do in your country - after all, that's what the
men who fought these wars died for.

Mike Marlow wrote:
> Tim W wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:3f96e96e-2451-4511-b70a-a8655f6cc016@u25g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>> It is absolutely incredible to me ....
>> [snipped everything]
>>
>> I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will
>> skip that.
>>
>> I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you
>> hate my politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.
>>
>> I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and
>> all the crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot
>> to say about it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how
>> great the US military is should provoke a response? Don't you know
>> that waving your flag around is offensive and provocative? Welcome to
>> the big wide world.
>> Tim W
>
> I guess it just sucks to be you then.

That's the trouble with many Yanks, they're big, thick, mean and won't
accept any other opinion than theirs - even if that opinion is wrong.

Believe me, in the great wide world (outside the USA borders that is), one
of the most detested flags is "Old Glory", which to many, is synonymous with
violence, greed, intransigence, bully-boy tactics, torture [1] and total
lack of compassion.

Since the fall of the USSR superpower, the brakes seem to have been removed
and Americans now want not only to run their own country, but the rest of
the world as well under their own dogma - and woe-betide those that
disagree.

[1] As authorised by the dumbest president you ever had, George Walker
Bush, who during his presidency and in cahoots with his backers, has caused
the world to be a far more dangerous place - along with the death and injury
of thousands of American servicemen *AND* women (who you recently had cause
to remember on your Veterans Day) for no other reason that the pure lust for
oil from Arabian countries - no matter what the cost in lives.

Before you spout off your vitriol: 9/11 was not the cause of the invasion of
Iraq, there was no danger to America or the rest of the world there, and
neither was Al Qaeda.

Think I'm wrong, well look well beyond the end of the American nose and take
a great big sniff!

On 11/13/2010 9:02 AM, Disbelief wrote:

<snipped a bunch of ridiculous crap that isn't worth re-posting>

> Think I'm wrong, well look well beyond the end of the American nose and take
> a great big sniff!

The only thing I smell is the reek of whatever it is you're smoking, and it
smells like it came straight out of the litter box.

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"David Paste" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Nov 12, 1:12 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Don't blame you ... although a coonass from the swamps of S. Louisiana,
> I lived and worked in the UK back in the early 60's, my first wife (with
> a posh accent, and the reason why I never could stand the "East Enders"
> TV series with that damned cockney accent) was from Staines, just
> outside London. My oldest, born in Bryan, TX, but went to uni in
> Sheffield, is married to a fine Yorkshire lad, and they live, with my
> two grandsons, in Sheffield.

I have to say, I am mystified when people move TO the UK rather than
FROM - life ain't the best here, it is terribly overcrowded, as you
mention. And property prices? Well, it's a joke. The country is skint
and not going to get better for a while. If I had the chance, I'd
probably move to the states. But then again, the grass is always
greener, no?!

What did you do over here, just out of interest? I come from a town
which used to have a huge US air base just to the north, several of my
aunts got hitched to the airmen and not live the life of Riley on the
west coast of America.

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What base and town? I was stationed at RAF Burderop Park for three years.
Just outside Swindon, Wilts.
Brize Norton and Fairford were nearby.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 9:02 am, "Disbelief" <disbelief@diilly-
daally....invalid.com> wrote:

> That's the trouble with many Yanks, they're big, thick, mean and won't
> accept any other opinion than theirs - even if that opinion is wrong.

Which of course, begs the question of why we would accept another
opinion if we know it is wrong?

I am an unashamed flag waver of my country. I love the USA. We do a
few things wrong, but we do a whole lot right. NO OTHER COUNTRY ON
THIS EARTH is held to the same standards, the same scrutiny, or is
judged so freely in the world court of opinion as the USA.

This thread was started about appreciation of US (read: United States)
veterans. Not about you, not about your country, not about your
politics, your ideology, you personal feelings, or your ability to
hijack a thread to suit your personal agenda.

One more time, it was a simple expression of thanks to soldiers FROM
THE US that served. (Read the topic heading. It should have been a
clue.)

However, your dumbass should know that when we have our Veterans Day
events here, there are vets from all over the world that are honored.
The foreign vets seem especially grateful to be remembered for their
service.

> Think I'm wrong, well look well beyond the end of the American nose and
> take
> a great big sniff!

I don't care about your opinion. It is your lack of respect for
others that pisses me off. I cannot imagine a Brit posting an
"England's Remembrance Day" topic and receiving a snotty and
sanctimonious lecture on world politics from an American on how piss
poor England is thought of across the world.

I see from your post count and where your newsgroup posts land that
you are either just a political troll, or a coward hiding behind a
fake name.

In either case, please go away. You are just about everything I can't
stand in people regardless of their country of origin. Rudy,
disrespectful, simple minded idiots know no home country.

Troll boy, crawl back under your rock.

Robert

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I'm a vet. A volunteer. And I served to protect the right to troll and be
bashed for trolling.


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"David Paste" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 9:19 am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:

> What base and town? I was stationed at RAF Burderop Park for three years.
> Just outside Swindon, Wilts.
> Brize Norton and Fairford were nearby.


RAF Burtonwood, just north of Warrington. It's about in the middle of
Liverpool and Manchester. It is now a half-complete rabbit-hutch
housing estate :-/

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My sister lived in Warrington for a few years. Her husband is a minister and
he gets shuffled around just like he was military. After Warrington it was
something or other On-The-Wall and now it's Frinton-On-Sea. IIRC, Burtonwood
was a signals base or something like that.

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"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Disbelief wrote:
>>
>> [1] As authorised by the dumbest president you ever had, George
>> Walker Bush, who during his presidency and in cahoots with his
>> backers, has caused the world to be a far more dangerous place -
>> along with the death and injury of thousands of American servicemen
>> *AND* women (who you recently had cause to remember on your Veterans
>> Day) for no other reason that the pure lust for oil from Arabian
>> countries - no matter what the cost in lives.
>
> I. It's a common claim that Bush was the dumbest president ever.

Coming from people who have not been and never could be president of
anything themselves. In fact, most of them would have difficulty qualifying
for Latrine Queen.

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On 11/15/2010 12:23 PM, DGDevin wrote:
>
>
> "CW" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>>> , a comedy where everyone dies in the final episode is
>>> not what one expects.
>
>> They do know. Do you often tell people how books turn out too?
>
> If they already know then I didn't ruin it for them, did I.

I think he meant to say "They do now".

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ahhh! There may be a little of that too!...LOL


SInce it get dark at 5 PM now too.

I finally got a shelf mounted with all my cased power tools in the garage.
Needed a reciprocating saw the other day to shorten sections of a 9'
Christmas tree down a few inches and the friggin' cord was like a slinky,
coiled spring. Need to bring the power tools in for a couple of days before
trying to use the ones with the cheap cords...LOL


"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I was alluding to the likelihood that many of you had not enough to do and
so you were engaging in a little prattle.
"The fire ants must be hibernating".

Max


Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Right now my garage is my shop until I get more of my home finished.
>
> Yes, things get cold and when the real cold starts the shop work has to
> stop. No more spraying or even wood cutting (the mitts get caught in the
> cutter...LOL)
>
> Right now it's just a sweater and things are still workable during Indian
> Summer, especialy.
>
> Once I progess more on the home finishing the shop will get moved into the
> garden shed. (538 sq. ft. was the max permitted) and then the hydronic
> heating needs to be repaired and the solar heat collection system needs
> some
> repairs and then.....**SIGH**. ...someday...LOL
>
>
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I take it that a lot of you guys who live in cold climates have unheated
> shops.
>
> Max

A hearty salute to every serviceman past and present.

Steve

Quite the comedian, dimbulb.


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Didn't your mother ever teach you that there are times when if you can't
say something nice you shouldn't say anything? If not, there are such
times, and Veteran's Day is one of them.
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> A lot of unburned off energy on this group.
>
> It's real easy...just like this.
>
> Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?
>
>
> LOL

Josepi, FOAD.

<plonk>

"Swingman" wrote in message
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>> Oh man, that's a grotesque set of numbers. Just on the off-chance,
>> have you ever seen Blackadder Goes Forth? Specifically the last
>> episode? That'll choke you.

> No ... never even heard of it until just now.

Very much worth seeing. My wife recently asked if the complete box-set of
Black Adder on sale at Amazon would be a nice Christmas present and I said
it would be, so I expect to see it under the tree next month. But that last
episode is startling, a comedy where everyone dies in the final episode is
not what one expects.

On 11/11/2010 5:03 PM, David Paste wrote:
> On Nov 11, 10:58 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> British Empire and Commonwealth 452.000
>> France 250.000
>> USA 295.000
>> Soviet Union 13.600.000
>> Belgium 10.000
>> Holland 10.000
>> Norway 10.000
>> Poland 120.000
>> Greece 20.000
>> Yugoslavia 300.000
>> Checoslovaquia 20.000
>> China 3.500.000
>
>
> Oh man, that's a grotesque set of numbers. Just on the off-chance,
> have you ever seen Blackadder Goes Forth? Specifically the last
> episode? That'll choke you.

No ... never even heard of it until just now.

But damn I love do love those BBC programs. You Brits historically have
had the best written TV on the planet. The Masterpiece Theater series
alone has been a source of years of top quality programming for us yanks.

AAMOF, and IMO, your re-runs are about the only thing worth watching on
the 500 available channel options I have ... a literal garbage heap,
almost without exception.

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Disbelief wrote:
>>
>> I guess it just sucks to be you then.
>
> That's the trouble with many Yanks, they're big, thick, mean and won't
> accept any other opinion than theirs - even if that opinion is wrong.

Virtually all "opinions" are either wrong in the first place or are lucky
guesses. The actual definition of "opinion" is a sincerely held belief not
based on facts.

>
> Believe me, in the great wide world (outside the USA borders that
> is), one of the most detested flags is "Old Glory", which to many, is
> synonymous with violence, greed, intransigence, bully-boy tactics,
> torture [1] and total lack of compassion.

And we should care about this exactly why?

>
> Since the fall of the USSR superpower, the brakes seem to have been
> removed and Americans now want not only to run their own country, but
> the rest of the world as well under their own dogma - and woe-betide
> those that disagree.

Yes, we are the world's policeman. Why? As the Color Sergeant said in
"Zulu:" "Because we're here, lad. Just us. No one else."


>
> [1] As authorised by the dumbest president you ever had, George
> Walker Bush, who during his presidency and in cahoots with his
> backers, has caused the world to be a far more dangerous place -
> along with the death and injury of thousands of American servicemen
> *AND* women (who you recently had cause to remember on your Veterans
> Day) for no other reason that the pure lust for oil from Arabian
> countries - no matter what the cost in lives.
> Before you spout off your vitriol: 9/11 was not the cause of the
> invasion of Iraq, there was no danger to America or the rest of the
> world there, and neither was Al Qaeda.
>
> Think I'm wrong, well look well beyond the end of the American nose
> and take a great big sniff!

You miss the point: We don't CARE what you or others might think.
Regrettably, we have a current president who does take the world's opinion
into consideration. Someday, however, that will change.

Further, we NEED a war every ten to fifteen years to keep the tip of the
spear sharpened. Heck, there's probably not a commander in the U.S.
military - from sergeant to general - that hasn't led troops in combat!

As for our soldiers, they are our warrior class. They serve for their
country, their families, their freedoms. They serve for honor's sake, for
duty's sake, for glory's sake. Plus, they get to kill people and blow things
up. It's a fun job.

In a recent movie, a TSA agent told a Marine Lt Colonel to remove his jacket
and feed it through the X-ray machine. The colonel said: "I am not removing
my coat." The TSA agent replied "You tellin' me how to do my job? Now remove
your jacket!"

The colonel replied with a straight face: " I will not denigrate my uniform
by removing any part of it in public. Take me to a private area and wand
me."

That's what happened.

When Joe Foss, former governor of South Dakota, was told he could not board
his aircraft unless he discarded a potential destructive device he was
carrying,* the 78-year old veteran fixed the TSA agent with a steely eye and
is reported to have said: "You've done fucked with the wrong Marine, sonny."

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* The device, resembling a "Ninja-Star" that got the TSA so exercised, was
the Medal of Honor given Foss by Franklin Roosevelt for downing 23 Japanese
aircraft during the Battle of Guadacanal.

"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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, a comedy where everyone dies in the final episode is
> not what one expects.

They do know. Do you often tell people how books turn out too?