American hardwoods

J T wrote:

> No, none of them are. They just put "hardwoods", in the link, and
> called the page, "About U.S. Hardwoods", to mislead people.
>
> Here's your sign.

OK, I give. Can't remember whose shtick that was. Foxworthy's name is
stuck in my head but he was the "you might be a redneck..." guy. Help.
jo4hn

Tue, Jun 22, 2004, 11:21am (EDT-3) [email protected] (vmtw) burbled:
Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/

No, none of them are. They just put "hardwoods", in the link, and
called the page, "About U.S. Hardwoods", to mislead people.

Here's your sign.

JOAT
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe

woodrecspam asks:

>Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
>
>http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/

Yes.

Charlie Self
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to." Dorothy Parker

"Howard Ruttan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Angiosperms are also known as deciduous trees

True (they certainly are commonly confused in this way), but sadly so.
Angiosperms are _not_ the same thing as the deciduous trees, neither
by instances (for there are contradictory examples both ways) and
certainly not by definition, for the two terms come from entirely
different roots.

"Howard Ruttan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Todd Fatheree" wrote ...
> > "Howard Ruttan" wrote...
> > > "Todd Fatheree" wrote ...
> > > Yup. Angiosperms are also known as deciduous trees, or trees that,
for
> > the
> > > most part, lose their leaves in the fall. They also have various
> > > differences inside the trunk, in terms of cell structure and
> > > vascularization.
> >
> > Not to be argumentative, but not all angiospermae are deciduous. Most
of
> > the exceptions are tropical trees that have evolved into evergreens.
All
> > angiospermae means is "flowering plants".
>
>
> Hence the "for the most part". Please learn to read.

If that's what you meant, maybe you should learn to write more effectively.
You stated that "angiosperms are also known as deciduous trees". The fact
is, deciduous trees are angiosperms, but not all angiosperms are deciduous.
The way you wrote it implies that they are synonymous, which is wrong. You
said that deciduous trees, _for the most part_, lose their leaves in the
fall, which is correct. If you're claiming what you actually said was that
angiosperms are, for the most part, deciduous trees (which is probably
true), I'd have to say "nice try".

todd

Suppose it's time to mention the larch and others?

Nah.

"Howard Ruttan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Todd Fatheree" wrote ...

> >
> > Not to be argumentative, but not all angiospermae are deciduous. Most
of
> > the exceptions are tropical trees that have evolved into evergreens.
All
> > angiospermae means is "flowering plants".
>
>
> Hence the "for the most part". Please learn to read.
>
> --
>
>

Yeah, one's Greek, one Latin....

Kids always get grossed out in school when we mention the origin of the word
"gymnasium."

"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Howard Ruttan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > Angiosperms are also known as deciduous trees
>
> Angiosperms are _not_ the same thing as the deciduous trees, neither
> by instances (for there are contradictory examples both ways) and
> certainly not by definition, for the two terms come from entirely
> different roots.

George <george@least> schreef
> Suppose it's time to mention the larch and others?
>
> Nah.

+ + +
Are you sure? Not only are there some conifers that are deciduous.
But Ginkgo, a Gymnosperm (although not a conifer) also is deciduous.
Likely, most Angiosperms (aka Anthophyta) are not deciduous.

To make matters worse, some conifers are broadleafed trees!
PvR

Isn't diversity fun? Used to be a consensus statement was enough, now we
pick everything apart until what's left fits our personal standards.

Oh well, as soon as we get rid of the Linnaean system based on external
characteristics we'll get back to consensus....

"P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> George <george@least> schreef
> > Suppose it's time to mention the larch and others?
> >
> > Nah.
>
> + + +
> Are you sure? Not only are there some conifers that are deciduous.
> But Ginkgo, a Gymnosperm (although not a conifer) also is deciduous.
> Likely, most Angiosperms (aka Anthophyta) are not deciduous.
>
> To make matters worse, some conifers are broadleafed trees!
> PvR
>
>
>

Well, Linnaeus' system did not survive him by more than a century.
Diversity is here to stay (I hope).
PvR

George <george@least> schreef
> Isn't diversity fun? Used to be a consensus statement was enough, now we
> pick everything apart until what's left fits our personal standards.

> Oh well, as soon as we get rid of the Linnaean system based on external
> characteristics we'll get back to consensus....

"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> J T wrote:
>
> > No, none of them are. They just put "hardwoods", in the link, and
> > called the page, "About U.S. Hardwoods", to mislead people.
> >
> > Here's your sign.
>
> OK, I give. Can't remember whose shtick that was. Foxworthy's name is
> stuck in my head but he was the "you might be a redneck..." guy. Help.
> jo4hn
>

That was Bill Engvall. One of my favorites is about the shark bite suit.
"Now Earl, you got the shark bite suit on and it looks good. We got this
pool full of sharks. Now you jump on in there and tell us if it hurts when
they bite you". "OK, hold my sign, I don't want to lose it". There was
even a song with him and Travis Tritt.

todd

"vmtw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
>
> http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/

My copy of _The Complete Manual of Woodworking_ defines a softwood tree as a
coniferous tree belonging to the botanical group Gymnospermae (plants that
bear exposed seeds). This includes cedars, firs, pines, redwoods, etc.
Hardwoods come from the group Angiospermae. A cursory look through the list
on the site tells me that all the woods listed are hardwoods.

todd

I'm not a botanitst or an arboriest, but I believe all that defines the tree
as is deciduous. And by the way, balsa is a hardwood.

todd

"rj" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ntlCc.134336$3x.62831@attbi_s54...
> Any tree that loses it's leaves in the winter is considered a hardwood
> (except Eastern Larch). I know, Alder and Poplar are a lot softer than
> Hemlock or Fir, but I didn't make the rules.
> RJ
> "vmtw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
> >
> > http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/

There was the Jeff Foxworthy movie called the Blue Collar Comedy Tour IIRC.
4 great comedians.

Jeff Foxworthy, you might be a redneck.
Bill Engvall, there is your sign
Another guy, I don't care who your, that is funny, along with my sister is
covered with moles.
Another guy, Always has a drink in his hand and talks about getting into
trouble in bars.


"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> J T wrote:
>
> > No, none of them are. They just put "hardwoods", in the link, and
> > called the page, "About U.S. Hardwoods", to mislead people.
> >
> > Here's your sign.
>
> OK, I give. Can't remember whose shtick that was. Foxworthy's name is
> stuck in my head but he was the "you might be a redneck..." guy. Help.
> jo4hn
>

"Todd Fatheree" wrote ...
> "Howard Ruttan" wrote...
> > "Todd Fatheree" wrote ...
> > Yup. Angiosperms are also known as deciduous trees, or trees that, for
> the
> > most part, lose their leaves in the fall. They also have various
> > differences inside the trunk, in terms of cell structure and
> > vascularization.
>
> Not to be argumentative, but not all angiospermae are deciduous. Most of
> the exceptions are tropical trees that have evolved into evergreens. All
> angiospermae means is "flowering plants".


Hence the "for the most part". Please learn to read.

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Cheers,
Howard

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[email protected] (J T) wrote in news:12276-40D89E8F-546@storefull-
3154.bay.webtv.net:

> Tue, Jun 22, 2004, 11:21am (EDT-3) [email protected] (vmtw) burbled:
> Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
> http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/
>
> No, none of them are. They just put "hardwoods", in the link, and
> called the page, "About U.S. Hardwoods", to mislead people.
>
> Here's your sign.
>
> JOAT
> Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
> - Bazooka Joe
>

Thanks. I'd forgotten that bit, and got to laugh all over again!

Patriarch

"Todd Fatheree" wrote ...
> "vmtw" wrote ...
> > Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
> > http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/
>
> My copy of _The Complete Manual of Woodworking_ defines a softwood tree as
a
> coniferous tree belonging to the botanical group Gymnospermae (plants that
> bear exposed seeds). This includes cedars, firs, pines, redwoods, etc.
> Hardwoods come from the group Angiospermae. A cursory look through the
list
> on the site tells me that all the woods listed are hardwoods.

Yup. Angiosperms are also known as deciduous trees, or trees that, for the
most part, lose their leaves in the fall. They also have various
differences inside the trunk, in terms of cell structure and
vascularization.

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Cheers,
Howard

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Working wood in New Jersey - [email protected]
Visit me in the woodshop - www.inthewoodshop.org

Now, there's a word you don't hear every day!

Kevin
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"Howard Ruttan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> vascularization.
>

Any tree that loses it's leaves in the winter is considered a hardwood
(except Eastern Larch). I know, Alder and Poplar are a lot softer than
Hemlock or Fir, but I didn't make the rules.
RJ
"vmtw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
>
> http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/

"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> woodrecspam asks:
>
> >Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
> >
> >http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/
>
> Yes.


Could you shorten that answer? LOL

"Howard Ruttan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Todd Fatheree" wrote ...
> > "vmtw" wrote ...
> > > Are all of these woods considered hardwoods?
> > > http://www.ahec.org/hardwoods/guide/
> >
> > My copy of _The Complete Manual of Woodworking_ defines a softwood tree
as
> a
> > coniferous tree belonging to the botanical group Gymnospermae (plants
that
> > bear exposed seeds). This includes cedars, firs, pines, redwoods, etc.
> > Hardwoods come from the group Angiospermae. A cursory look through the
> list
> > on the site tells me that all the woods listed are hardwoods.
>
> Yup. Angiosperms are also known as deciduous trees, or trees that, for
the
> most part, lose their leaves in the fall. They also have various
> differences inside the trunk, in terms of cell structure and
> vascularization.

Not to be argumentative, but not all angiospermae are deciduous. Most of
the exceptions are tropical trees that have evolved into evergreens. All
angiospermae means is "flowering plants".

todd