The Subject line pretty much say's it all, NOT TODAY!
At least 95F outside window all afternoon.
No painting, no laying resin, no drinking beer. WHAT?
No drinking beer?
Afraid not.
Even a cold one doesn't
taste good on a day like this.
Time to stick with water and stay in the shade.
Robert, if you are trying to do a re-roofing job in weather like this,
good luck.
You and the crews repairing chuck holes in the roads.
Lew
On 9/10/2015 7:51 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>
>>> The Subject line pretty much say's it all, NOT TODAY!
>>>
>>> At least 95F outside window all afternoon.
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> It's showing 103F and the afternoon temp has yet to peak.
>>
>> The A/C been running 24/7 for over a week.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Muggy. A/C still running 24/7.
>
> Temps approaching 3 digit range and humidity approaching 50%.
>
> Muggy.
>
> I expect this kind of weather in South Florida but this is SoCal.
>
> Pass the water jug.
>
> Lew
>
>
Must be all that hot air of the population. ;~)
On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 4:33:56 PM UTC-5, John McCoy wrote:
=20
> Agree, that was interesting to know.
>=20
> Are things done differently for very wide roads? I have in
> mind some parts of I-95 in FLA and GA that are 4 and 5 lanes
> wide on each side, and seem to be darn close to perfectly
> flat. They certainly don't drain worth a darn when it rains.
> Is there some limit on how low the edges can be, that prevents
> cambering very wide roads?
>=20
> John
Well, if that was interesting... a few more thoughts.
Wider roads become problematic due to existing drainage conditions. Factor=
s to consider are the type of surface (concrete/asphalt) as they drain at d=
ifferent speeds. Also, the type of drainage that serves the surface becaus=
e even if the roads are covered with water you don't want to overfill the d=
rains. Without decent airflow to displace the rushing rain water, suction =
will occur and drainage will stop. With those two simple factors in mind, =
it is the accepted practice to design the drainage serve certain areas base=
d on it drainage capability. Trust me, you would rather have water on the =
road over a drainage system that is full and cannot drain because it is suc=
king air.
And yes, depending on its design a wide set of lanes can have a nice camber=
to it, and unless severe you won't notice it in your car. Around here, fo=
r off ramps and entry ramps that are 2-3 lanes wide, they use a single slop=
e draining into a system that handles only that ramp, and dumps somewhere e=
lse. No camber, only slope.
Basically today the setup is the same to establish road beds. In the old d=
ays, angles were "turned" (coined by turning the head of the instrument to =
the correct angles to determine a curve. Now they use a theodolite, which =
does the same thing with incredible accuracy. They still use sighted level=
s in some cases, but also use lasers for long distances. =20
Most $400 levels will shoot a level line about 150' or so with no more than=
1/4" deviation. Lasers will go farther and are more accurate (and much, m=
uch more expensive) but you don't have to deal with heat shimmers or trying=
to read the measuring rod. When I was setting forms and leveling tilt pan=
els, we used to take a reading in the morning, move the instrument around n=
oon and reshoot, then move closer to the work and shoot one more time at th=
e end of the day.
Really, it was fascinating for me to learn that stuff, although today I use=
an inexpensive level and the largest thing I have shot in lately was a fri=
ckin' patio.
Robert=20
On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 9:51:33 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper at dot wrote=
:
=20
> How do you use a level to get a crowned surface?
>=20
> Ok, this sounds like a sarcastic question and it is. But sometimes there=
's=20
> a real answer that's fascinating... but I doubt it.
>=20
> Puckdropper
If you didn't use a level, what would you use? =20
As a commercial superintendent, I have literally been responsible for acres=
or concrete and pavement. I can crown a road or drive with a 4' level, a =
sighted level or a water level.
Standard drainage declination is 1/4" per foot (no snow consideration), les=
s or more if stamped by civil engineer. =20
Say you wanted to put a crown on the road to make it drain to the gutters o=
n each side that drain into a runoff drain box or to a collection point on =
your street. Start at the drain lip, and using something as simple as a 4'=
level, drive a peg (we use rebar scraps) until it is 1" higher than level.=
Now you have proper drainage. Repeat from the top of your peg to establi=
sh another 4'. To get the standard 10' lane, from the top of your last peg=
go another 2', then raise it 1/2". Now you have one half of a two lane st=
reet, with the proper drainage established. =20
When you pour concrete, you pour to the top of the pegs, using your straigh=
t edge from peg to peg to keep it crowned. When you are laying asphalt, yo=
u are laying it over graded material that was laid, cut and compacted to gr=
ade by establishing those same pegs,except that the pegs they use are wood =
and have highly colored brushes on them so they can be easily seen by machi=
ne operators.
For road work, parking lots, and other large areas, you simply use a sighte=
d level (the instrument you see guys peeking through on job sights)and "sti=
ck" or "rod" to do EXACTLY the same thing.
Let your mind wander. You can change the angles to anything you want, you =
can start at the high point and go down instead of up, you can make a wide,=
single slope road or drive, etc. To make the curves more gentle, simply m=
ake your points that establish the desired finished surface grade closer to=
gether.
When we are doing paved walks, small patios, or anything else small we just=
use a 4' level. When I was in commercial, I used the instrument (level) s=
o much I had it in my truck half the time. My concrete guy uses a 6' level=
zip tied to a 10' straightedge, and establishes his grades in short order =
once he figures out the math.
Not sexy, but you honestly sounded like you didn't know.
Robert
On 9/8/2015 12:56 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 8:35:43 PM UTC-5, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> The Subject line pretty much say's it all, NOT TODAY!
>>
>> At least 95F outside window all afternoon.
>>
>> No painting, no laying resin, no drinking beer. WHAT?
>>
>> No drinking beer?
>>
>> Afraid not.
>>
>> Even a cold one doesn't
>> taste good on a day like this.
>>
>> Time to stick with water and stay in the shade.
>>
>> Robert, if you are trying to do a re-roofing job in weather like this,
>> good luck.
>>
>> You and the crews repairing chuck holes in the roads.
>>
>> Lew
>
> I nicked 100 here on Labor Day, and should hit it briefly around 4-5 again today. I have one roof replacement in process, and I usually only work on roof repairs, not on full replacements. Thankfully, I only had one of those to do this summer where I was working out in the sun, in the afternoon on a dark brown shingle roof. It was an emergency repair for a great client and I had no choice. I had red burns on my knees and down the side of my legs and butt that lasted for about 3 days.
>
> I remember 40 years ago I would work all day as a laborer, than get off and go eat pizza and drink a schooner of beer (or more!) to cool off. Now... I get off, go cool off in a fast food joint and drink tea, then go home and take some Advil. After showering, I drink more tea, eat some dinner, work on paperwork and go to bed.
>
> Even my guys tease me. "Hey Robert, we're going to stop for a six. You want us to get you some Metamucil and Advil?" If it has been a long July/August day, I might just take them up on it.
We just built a backyard shed for a client as part of a whole house remodel.
Yesterday, simply tired of watching someone else work on the shed roof,
I bent down, threw up a bundle of shingles to my shoulder, took two
steps forward, said "like hell!", two steps back, and dropped the SOB
back onto the pile.
Fug it ... at 72, ain't my job to do something that would take two weeks
to get over, IF I had been lucky enough to make it the 100' to the backyard.
Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
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Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> We had a few days of mild temps and humidity, then yesterday was
> unbearably hot and muggy. Sapped our energy!
>
> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
>
> Sonny
>
How do you use a level to get a crowned surface?
Ok, this sounds like a sarcastic question and it is. But sometimes there's
a real answer that's fascinating... but I doubt it.
Puckdropper
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"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 9:51:33 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper at dot
> wrote:
>
>> How do you use a level to get a crowned surface?
>>
>> Ok, this sounds like a sarcastic question and it is. But sometimes
>> there
> 's
>> a real answer that's fascinating... but I doubt it.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> If you didn't use a level, what would you use?
>
> As a commercial superintendent, I have literally been responsible for
> acres or concrete and pavement. I can crown a road or drive with a 4'
> level, a sighted level or a water level.
>
> Standard drainage declination is 1/4" per foot (no snow
> consideration), less or more if stamped by civil engineer.
>
> Say you wanted to put a crown on the road to make it drain to the
> gutters on each side that drain into a runoff drain box or to a
> collection point on your street. Start at the drain lip, and using
> something as simple as a 4' level, drive a peg (we use rebar scraps)
> until it is 1" higher than level. Now you have proper drainage.
> Repeat from the top of your peg to establish another 4'. To get the
> standard 10' lane, from the top of your last peg go another 2', then
> raise it 1/2". Now you have one half of a two lane street, with the
> proper drainage established.
>
> When you pour concrete, you pour to the top of the pegs, using your
> straight edge from peg to peg to keep it crowned. When you are laying
> asphalt, you are laying it over graded material that was laid, cut and
> compacted to grade by establishing those same pegs,except that the
> pegs they use are wood and have highly colored brushes on them so they
> can be easily seen by machine operators.
>
> For road work, parking lots, and other large areas, you simply use a
> sighted level (the instrument you see guys peeking through on job
> sights)and "stick" or "rod" to do EXACTLY the same thing.
>
> Let your mind wander. You can change the angles to anything you want,
> you can start at the high point and go down instead of up, you can
> make a wide, single slope road or drive, etc. To make the curves more
> gentle, simply make your points that establish the desired finished
> surface grade closer together.
>
> When we are doing paved walks, small patios, or anything else small we
> just use a 4' level. When I was in commercial, I used the instrument
> (level) so much I had it in my truck half the time. My concrete guy
> uses a 6' level zip tied to a 10' straightedge, and establishes his
> grades in short order once he figures out the math.
>
> Not sexy, but you honestly sounded like you didn't know.
>
> Robert
>
Thanks Robert. You're right, not sexy but still interesting reading.
Puckdropper
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"Swingman" wrote:
> We just built a backyard shed for a client as part of a whole house
> remodel.
>
> Yesterday, simply tired of watching someone else work on the shed
> roof, I bent down, threw up a bundle of shingles to my shoulder,
> took two steps forward, said "like hell!", two steps back, and
> dropped the SOB back onto the pile.
>
> Fug it ... at 72, ain't my job to do something that would take two
> weeks to get over, IF I had been lucky enough to make it the 100' to
> the backyard.
>
> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
--------------------------------------------------------
Aren't you the one who SUPERVISES?
Lew
krw <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 07:56:08 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:37:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/9/2015 1:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
*snip and trim, I hope I got the attributions right.*
>>>>
>>>> Feels Like is just an uneducated miscommunication of what they are
>>>> actually trying to say.
>>> .
>>> Not uneducated at all. If anything, it's overeducated. ;-)
>>
>>Well educated beyond their level of comprehension. I would still
>>prefer they leave "feels like" out and state the facts, actual temp,
>>humidity, and wind.
>
> Too much information for the TeeVee. That information is found easily
> enough, if you care.
*snip & trim*
I gave up on getting the weather from the TV years ago. I either take a
look at the thermometer before I go out or the intensity of the daylight
coming through the window. (Sometimes both.)
If I want a better forecast, I get it from the computer. It takes less
time to boot the computer and load the forecast page than it does to wait
through the 3-4 minute news segment for them to finally mention my area.
I think it's an inherent problem with video--too easy to fill time with
nothing so they do.
Puckdropper
--
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> The Subject line pretty much say's it all, NOT TODAY!
>>
>> At least 95F outside window all afternoon.
----------------------------------------------------
> It's showing 103F and the afternoon temp has yet to peak.
>
> The A/C been running 24/7 for over a week.
--------------------------------------------------------
Muggy. A/C still running 24/7.
Temps approaching 3 digit range and humidity approaching 50%.
Muggy.
I expect this kind of weather in South Florida but this is SoCal.
Pass the water jug.
Lew
On 9/9/2015 2:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Sonny wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-5, Mike Marlow
>> wrote:
>>> Sonny wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure why they should even want to use a level on their job.
>>
>> The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole.
>> Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it
>> takes to make the surfaces even.
>>
>
> Got that part of things, but that does not require a level in any way.
>
Right, straight edge. Fill that hole and make a lump.
On 9/9/2015 2:26 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
>> the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
>
> OK, so we're all moving to the top of Pikes Peak, then.
>
> John
>
Mt. Washington is closer to me. 61 right now, the high for the day. I
can handle that.
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Sonny wrote:
>
> >
> > Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
> >
>
> Not sure why they should even want to use a level on their job.
The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole. Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it takes to make the surfaces even.
Sonny
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 8:35:43 PM UTC-5, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> The Subject line pretty much say's it all, NOT TODAY!
>
> At least 95F outside window all afternoon.
>
> No painting, no laying resin, no drinking beer. WHAT?
>
> No drinking beer?
>
> Afraid not.
>
> Even a cold one doesn't
> taste good on a day like this.
>
> Time to stick with water and stay in the shade.
>
> Robert, if you are trying to do a re-roofing job in weather like this,
> good luck.
>
> You and the crews repairing chuck holes in the roads.
>
> Lew
We had a few days of mild temps and humidity, then yesterday was unbearably hot and muggy. Sapped our energy!
Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
Sonny
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:37:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 9/9/2015 1:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 9/9/2015 12:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 9/9/2015 1:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
>>>>
>>>> This morning I cut a piece of trim for the front door.
>>>
>>> That there's a day's work, on some days ...
>>>
>>>> I should be on
>>>> the front step right now putting it in place, instead, I'm reading
>>>> newsgroups in the air conditioned family room. Maybe later, its 91
>>>> right now. And I'm considerably younger than you, only 70.
>>>
>>> Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
>>> the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
>>>
>>> That's my take on the ubiquitous "Feels Like" temperature on the evening
>>> news.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah! LOL. I still remember talking about the "Feels Like" temp in my
>> physics class in 1973.
>>
>> "Feels Like" to who?
>>
>> The weather guys need a legend to. And
>> should be a number of feels like temps. What if you are 50 lbs over
>> weight? 100 lbs? Underweight? Wearing dark long sleeve clothing?
>
> Sure but it's still a calibration point for "hot". If it's 90F with a
> "Real Feel" of 110F, it's not going to be pleasant. However, if the
> RF is 90F, it'll be nice.
>
Understood but it really is different for different people. As mentioned
somewhere else in this thread some complain at the 90's for me not so bad.
>>
>> Feels Like is just an uneducated miscommunication of what they are
>> actually trying to say.
>
> Not uneducated at all. If anything, it's overeducated. ;-)
Well educated beyond their level of comprehension. I would still prefer
they leave "feels like" out and state the facts, actual temp, humidity, and
wind.
>>
>> Same goes for wind chill.
>
> Wind chill, at least in some worlds, is a bit different. The -40
> numbers are a measure of how fast uncovered skin will freeze. As
> such, it's not all that variable from person to person.
Yes, however the audience, people I know, think that if the forecast temp
will only go down to 40 degrees F, with rain, and a wind chill of 30
degrees F, that bridges will ice over.
>
>>
>> All of these glamorous exaggerated numbers are the perceived effect of
>> how a particular person, not the population, might react to a particular
>> temp, humidity, and or wind speed.
>>
>> The temperature is simply not any different than actual regardless of
>> what the feels like temp is.
>
> Whether you freeze to death or not, is kinda important.
You will freeze more quickly "IF" the temp goes to or below freezing. But
it is surprising how many think that wind chill is actual.
>
>> While I am at it, "x" degrees above or below normal. BS!
>> Normal is always a moving target.
>> They should be saying "x" degrees above or below "average".
>
> I'm with you here! 70F,this time of year is normal. So is 95F.
>>
>>
>>
On 9/9/2015 12:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/9/2015 1:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
>
> This morning I cut a piece of trim for the front door.
That there's a day's work, on some days ...
> I should be on
> the front step right now putting it in place, instead, I'm reading
> newsgroups in the air conditioned family room. Maybe later, its 91
> right now. And I'm considerably younger than you, only 70.
Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
That's my take on the ubiquitous "Feels Like" temperature on the evening
news.
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 18:26:39 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
>> the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
>
>OK, so we're all moving to the top of Pikes Peak, then.
Who is bringing the oxygen?
On 9/9/2015 3:53 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Aren't you the one who SUPERVISES?
Aye. Good work, if you can stick to it. But then you see all kind of
things being done that you could damned well do better.
I do mostly stay off ladders these days. Although I spent an hour on one
yesterday, re-attaching crown to a cabinet run that the painters had
pulled off attaching their plastic barrier.
(Punchlists always contains items some unknown sub caused, with never
anyone around to blame ... like someone dropping a hammer on a newly
installed tile floor.)
Bigger the job the more apt to happen. :(
Only two things you won't catch me doing on a job site:
Plumbing, and HVAC.
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On 9/8/2015 11:05 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
>
> Speaking of level, one of the mysteries of modern life is
> why modern day road paving technology is unable to get a
> manhole level with the road.
>
> When I was young, pretty much all the manholes were flush
> with the road (when you ride a bicycle, you're pretty aware
> of such things).
>
> But today, around here at least, it seems impossible to
> make them flush, other than the occasional accident. If
> the manhole isn't an inch or two below the road, then the
> manhole itself will be flush, but surrounded by a moat 6
> to 8 inches wide, which is an inch or two below the road.
>
> Certainly this is one area where modern technology isn't
> progress.
>
> John
>
Roads get resurfaced, man hole covers don't.
A simple spacer to extend the hole lip would be the easy answer.
On 9/8/2015 9:51 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> We had a few days of mild temps and humidity, then yesterday was
>> unbearably hot and muggy. Sapped our energy!
>>
>> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
>>
>> Sonny
>>
>
> How do you use a level to get a crowned surface?
>
> Ok, this sounds like a sarcastic question and it is. But sometimes there's
> a real answer that's fascinating... but I doubt it.
>
> Puckdropper
>
Well consider this. If roads were level water would not run towards the
drains.
On 9/9/2015 1:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> Yesterday, simply tired of watching someone else work on the shed roof,
> I bent down, threw up a bundle of shingles to my shoulder, took two
> steps forward, said "like hell!", two steps back, and dropped the SOB
> back onto the pile.
>
> Fug it ... at 72, ain't my job to do something that would take two weeks
> to get over, IF I had been lucky enough to make it the 100' to the
> backyard.
>
> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
>
This morning I cut a piece of trim for the front door. I should be on
the front step right now putting it in place, instead, I'm reading
newsgroups in the air conditioned family room. Maybe later, its 91
right now. And I'm considerably younger than you, only 70.
On 9/9/2015 12:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/9/2015 1:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> Yesterday, simply tired of watching someone else work on the shed roof,
>> I bent down, threw up a bundle of shingles to my shoulder, took two
>> steps forward, said "like hell!", two steps back, and dropped the SOB
>> back onto the pile.
>>
>> Fug it ... at 72, ain't my job to do something that would take two weeks
>> to get over, IF I had been lucky enough to make it the 100' to the
>> backyard.
>>
>> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
>>
>
> This morning I cut a piece of trim for the front door. I should be on
> the front step right now putting it in place, instead, I'm reading
> newsgroups in the air conditioned family room. Maybe later, its 91
> right now. And I'm considerably younger than you, only 70.
Jeez LOL. It only got up to 91 today, It was almost chilly. A few
days 4 weeks ago it was 106. 101 in my shop.
On 9/10/2015 6:57 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 4:33:56 PM UTC-5, John McCoy wrote:
>
>> Agree, that was interesting to know.
>>
>> Are things done differently for very wide roads? I have in mind
>> some parts of I-95 in FLA and GA that are 4 and 5 lanes wide on
>> each side, and seem to be darn close to perfectly flat. They
>> certainly don't drain worth a darn when it rains. Is there some
>> limit on how low the edges can be, that prevents cambering very
>> wide roads?
>>
>> John
>
> Well, if that was interesting... a few more thoughts.
>
> Wider roads become problematic due to existing drainage conditions.
> Factors to consider are the type of surface (concrete/asphalt) as
> they drain at different speeds. Also, the type of drainage that
> serves the surface because even if the roads are covered with water
> you don't want to overfill the drains. Without decent airflow to
> displace the rushing rain water, suction will occur and drainage will
> stop.
HA! Getting ready to pour my second Rebecca Creek....
Simple solution, install a bent pipe.
Can't wait to see y'all this Christmas.
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
Speaking of level, one of the mysteries of modern life is
why modern day road paving technology is unable to get a
manhole level with the road.
When I was young, pretty much all the manholes were flush
with the road (when you ride a bicycle, you're pretty aware
of such things).
But today, around here at least, it seems impossible to
make them flush, other than the occasional accident. If
the manhole isn't an inch or two below the road, then the
manhole itself will be flush, but surrounded by a moat 6
to 8 inches wide, which is an inch or two below the road.
Certainly this is one area where modern technology isn't
progress.
John
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:E4GdnQ-
[email protected]:
> Roads get resurfaced, man hole covers don't.
> A simple spacer to extend the hole lip would be the easy answer.
They have those - it's a simple ring that sits on the top of
the housing to lift the cover up by 3/4 inch (*). I have one
- for some reason one was left in the middle of the sidewalk
when they resurfaced roads near me, so I picked it up and
brought it home.
But the problem of uneven manholes exists on both new and
resurfaced roads around here. Some of it seems to be a
failure in paving (the pavement being above the manhole),
and some of it seems to be a problem of subsurface prep
(the subsurface compacting, leaving the manhole above the
pavement).
John
(* I assume they come in other sizes too, the one I have
is 3/4)
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in news:55ef3b91$0$56544
[email protected]:
> Thanks Robert. You're right, not sexy but still interesting reading.
Agree, that was interesting to know.
Are things done differently for very wide roads? I have in
mind some parts of I-95 in FLA and GA that are 4 and 5 lanes
wide on each side, and seem to be darn close to perfectly
flat. They certainly don't drain worth a darn when it rains.
Is there some limit on how low the edges can be, that prevents
cambering very wide roads?
John
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
> the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
OK, so we're all moving to the top of Pikes Peak, then.
John
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:5tednbEL97m-FG3InZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> On 9/9/2015 2:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Sonny wrote:
>>> The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole.
>>> Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it
>>> takes to make the surfaces even.
>>>
>>
>> Got that part of things, but that does not require a level in any way.
>>
>
> Right, straight edge. Fill that hole and make a lump.
Do they not use a road-roller (or, as they once were
called, a steam-roller)? That's the traditional and
usually efficacious way to get a flat road surface.
John
[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:cTgIx.7652$wK5.5555
@fx11.iad:
> John McCoy <[email protected]> writes:
>>Do they not use a road-roller (or, as they once were
>>called, a steam-roller)? That's the traditional and
>>usually efficacious way to get a flat road surface.
>
> The roller's purpose is to compress the asphalt. The flatness
> of the surface is defined by the flatness of the roadbed that
> the asphalt is protecting.
Well, yes and no. In the case of a pot hole, I would assume it
would be over-filled, then rolled, and the roller would compress
until it spanned the edges of the hole, at which point the
roller would act as a straight-edge leaving a flat surface.
On a larger scale the roller would just follow the underlying
contour, as you say.
John
On 9/9/2015 1:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 9/9/2015 12:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 9/9/2015 1:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>>> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
>>
>> This morning I cut a piece of trim for the front door.
>
> That there's a day's work, on some days ...
>
>> I should be on
>> the front step right now putting it in place, instead, I'm reading
>> newsgroups in the air conditioned family room. Maybe later, its 91
>> right now. And I'm considerably younger than you, only 70.
>
> Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
> the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
>
> That's my take on the ubiquitous "Feels Like" temperature on the evening
> news.
>
Yeah! LOL. I still remember talking about the "Feels Like" temp in my
physics class in 1973.
"Feels Like" to who?
The weather guys need a legend to go with "feels like". And there
should be a number of feels like temps. What if you are 50 lbs over
weight? 100 lbs? Underweight? Wearing dark long sleeve clothing?
Feels Like is just an uneducated miscommunication of what they are
actually trying to say.
Same goes for wind chill.
All of these glamorous exaggerated numbers are the perceived effect of
how a particular person, not the population, might react to a particular
temp, humidity, and or wind speed.
The temperature is simply not any different than actual regardless of
what the feels like temp is.
While I am at it, "x" degrees above or below normal. BS!
Normal is always a moving target.
They should be saying "x" degrees above or below "average".
On 9/9/2015 3:53 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>> We just built a backyard shed for a client as part of a whole house
>> remodel.
>>
>> Yesterday, simply tired of watching someone else work on the shed
>> roof, I bent down, threw up a bundle of shingles to my shoulder,
>> took two steps forward, said "like hell!", two steps back, and
>> dropped the SOB back onto the pile.
>>
>> Fug it ... at 72, ain't my job to do something that would take two
>> weeks to get over, IF I had been lucky enough to make it the 100' to
>> the backyard.
>>
>> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Aren't you the one who SUPERVISES?
>
> Lew
>
>
A good boss leads by example. ;~)
On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 16:05:46 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Speaking of level, one of the mysteries of modern life is
>why modern day road paving technology is unable to get a
>manhole level with the road.
It cause of gobal warming as all things bad are.
On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> You would think they would have a better system by now. I know of a few=
=20
> potholes that are filled three or four times a year. Given the present=
=20
> state of technology for adhesives, there has to be a better material for=
=20
> repeat offenders. Maybe its job security for the Highway Department.
When doing parking lot maintenance for a client, if they have a pot hole fr=
om a soft spot, contraction/expansion, or damage, I clean the hole out to "=
broom clean", making sure there is not much debris in the hole.
If the hole is small, say the circumference of a basketball, I don't put an=
y steel in it. If it is larger and more than 6" deep, I do. Then I roll u=
p the wheel barrow, mix concrete, color it with a bit of black, then add th=
e accelerator and pour it on the hole and screed it even. Leave the barrie=
rs up till the end of the day. The repair is fast, permanent and waterproo=
f. If the concrete is poured to the edge, the asphalt won't ravel, and the=
repair will last for years.
By having that same repair done on the City's or State's budget, it keeps s=
everal people in jobs and provides them some security as the city/state pre=
fers to repair the same type of hole around here up to two times a year.
If the came out to a road full of pot holes, cleaned them out a bit and sho=
t fast curing concrete in as a final fix, half the city road workers around=
here would be looking for work. That type of repair is too fast and too f=
inal.
Robert
John McCoy <[email protected]> writes:
>Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:5tednbEL97m-FG3InZ2dnUU7-
>[email protected]:
>
>> On 9/9/2015 2:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Sonny wrote:
>
>>>> The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole.
>>>> Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it
>>>> takes to make the surfaces even.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Got that part of things, but that does not require a level in any way.
>>>
>>
>> Right, straight edge. Fill that hole and make a lump.
>
>Do they not use a road-roller (or, as they once were
>called, a steam-roller)? That's the traditional and
>usually efficacious way to get a flat road surface.
The roller's purpose is to compress the asphalt. The flatness
of the surface is defined by the flatness of the roadbed that
the asphalt is protecting. The flatness of the roadbed itself
(plus any required pitch for drainage) is a result of the stake
and grading process described upthread.
Permanently repairing a pothole requires carefully bonding the old
and new asphalt to prevent premature deterioration at the
boundaries.
When quickly repairing potholes, the repair is often left proud and the
compression is done by traffic instead of a roller.
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 8:35:43 PM UTC-5, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> The Subject line pretty much say's it all, NOT TODAY!
>=20
> At least 95F outside window all afternoon.
>=20
> No painting, no laying resin, no drinking beer. WHAT?
>=20
> No drinking beer?
>=20
> Afraid not.
>=20
> Even a cold one doesn't
> taste good on a day like this.
>=20
> Time to stick with water and stay in the shade.
>=20
> Robert, if you are trying to do a re-roofing job in weather like this,
> good luck.
>=20
> You and the crews repairing chuck holes in the roads.
>=20
> Lew
I nicked 100 here on Labor Day, and should hit it briefly around 4-5 again =
today. I have one roof replacement in process, and I usually only work on =
roof repairs, not on full replacements. Thankfully, I only had one of thos=
e to do this summer where I was working out in the sun, in the afternoon on=
a dark brown shingle roof. It was an emergency repair for a great client =
and I had no choice. I had red burns on my knees and down the side of my l=
egs and butt that lasted for about 3 days. =20
I remember 40 years ago I would work all day as a laborer, than get off and=
go eat pizza and drink a schooner of beer (or more!) to cool off. Now... =
I get off, go cool off in a fast food joint and drink tea, then go home and=
take some Advil. After showering, I drink more tea, eat some dinner, work=
on paperwork and go to bed.
Even my guys tease me. "Hey Robert, we're going to stop for a six. You wa=
nt us to get you some Metamucil and Advil?" If it has been a long July/Aug=
ust day, I might just take them up on it.
Robert
On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:37:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 9/9/2015 1:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 9/9/2015 12:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 9/9/2015 1:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>>> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
>>>
>>> This morning I cut a piece of trim for the front door.
>>
>> That there's a day's work, on some days ...
>>
>>> I should be on
>>> the front step right now putting it in place, instead, I'm reading
>>> newsgroups in the air conditioned family room. Maybe later, its 91
>>> right now. And I'm considerably younger than you, only 70.
>>
>> Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
>> the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
>>
>> That's my take on the ubiquitous "Feels Like" temperature on the evening
>> news.
>>
>
>Yeah! LOL. I still remember talking about the "Feels Like" temp in my
>physics class in 1973.
>
>"Feels Like" to who?
>
>The weather guys need a legend to. And
>should be a number of feels like temps. What if you are 50 lbs over
>weight? 100 lbs? Underweight? Wearing dark long sleeve clothing?
Sure but it's still a calibration point for "hot". If it's 90F with a
"Real Feel" of 110F, it's not going to be pleasant. However, if the
RF is 90F, it'll be nice.
>
>Feels Like is just an uneducated miscommunication of what they are
>actually trying to say.
Not uneducated at all. If anything, it's overeducated. ;-)
>
>Same goes for wind chill.
Wind chill, at least in some worlds, is a bit different. The -40
numbers are a measure of how fast uncovered skin will freeze. As
such, it's not all that variable from person to person.
>
>All of these glamorous exaggerated numbers are the perceived effect of
>how a particular person, not the population, might react to a particular
>temp, humidity, and or wind speed.
>
>The temperature is simply not any different than actual regardless of
>what the feels like temp is.
Whether you freeze to death or not, is kinda important.
>While I am at it, "x" degrees above or below normal. BS!
>Normal is always a moving target.
>They should be saying "x" degrees above or below "average".
I'm with you here! 70F,this time of year is normal. So is 95F.
>
>
>
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 07:56:08 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:37:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/9/2015 1:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 9/9/2015 12:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 9/9/2015 1:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Keep forgetting that parts of me are somehow older than others ...
>>>>>
>>>>> This morning I cut a piece of trim for the front door.
>>>>
>>>> That there's a day's work, on some days ...
>>>>
>>>>> I should be on
>>>>> the front step right now putting it in place, instead, I'm reading
>>>>> newsgroups in the air conditioned family room. Maybe later, its 91
>>>>> right now. And I'm considerably younger than you, only 70.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, somewhere in your late 60's, you start to feel like whatever
>>>> the temperature is, in Fahrenheit.
>>>>
>>>> That's my take on the ubiquitous "Feels Like" temperature on the evening
>>>> news.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah! LOL. I still remember talking about the "Feels Like" temp in my
>>> physics class in 1973.
>>>
>>> "Feels Like" to who?
>>>
>>> The weather guys need a legend to. And
>>> should be a number of feels like temps. What if you are 50 lbs over
>>> weight? 100 lbs? Underweight? Wearing dark long sleeve clothing?
>>
>> Sure but it's still a calibration point for "hot". If it's 90F with a
>> "Real Feel" of 110F, it's not going to be pleasant. However, if the
>> RF is 90F, it'll be nice.
>>
>
>Understood but it really is different for different people. As mentioned
>somewhere else in this thread some complain at the 90's for me not so bad.
>
Sure, but they don't say "everyone will be comfortable tomorrow". You
know that a dry 90 is fine but a 90F with a RF of 110 is not. Someone
else may feel otherwise. Both of you have the information to decide
whether to wear a coat tomorrow. ;-)
>>>
>>> Feels Like is just an uneducated miscommunication of what they are
>>> actually trying to say.
>> .
>> Not uneducated at all. If anything, it's overeducated. ;-)
>
>Well educated beyond their level of comprehension. I would still prefer
>they leave "feels like" out and state the facts, actual temp, humidity, and
>wind.
Too much information for the TeeVee. That information is found easily
enough, if you care.
>
>>>
>>> Same goes for wind chill.
>>
>> Wind chill, at least in some worlds, is a bit different. The -40
>> numbers are a measure of how fast uncovered skin will freeze. As
>> such, it's not all that variable from person to person.
>
>Yes, however the audience, people I know, think that if the forecast temp
>will only go down to 40 degrees F, with rain, and a wind chill of 30
>degrees F, that bridges will ice over.
Some people are stupid. Is that shocking, given the state of public
schools (and government in general)?
>
>>
>>>
>>> All of these glamorous exaggerated numbers are the perceived effect of
>>> how a particular person, not the population, might react to a particular
>>> temp, humidity, and or wind speed.
>>>
>>> The temperature is simply not any different than actual regardless of
>>> what the feels like temp is.
>>
>> Whether you freeze to death or not, is kinda important.
>
>You will freeze more quickly "IF" the temp goes to or below freezing. But
>it is surprising how many think that wind chill is actual.
You will die, if exposed, long before 32F (real temp). Wind will make
if happen faster.
>
>>
>>> While I am at it, "x" degrees above or below normal. BS!
>>> Normal is always a moving target.
>>> They should be saying "x" degrees above or below "average".
>>
>> I'm with you here! 70F,this time of year is normal. So is 95F.
>>>
>>>
>>>
On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 19:27:16 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 19:55:14 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:5tednbEL97m-FG3InZ2dnUU7-
>>[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 9/9/2015 2:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Sonny wrote:
>>
>>>>> The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole.
>>>>> Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it
>>>>> takes to make the surfaces even.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got that part of things, but that does not require a level in any way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right, straight edge. Fill that hole and make a lump.
>>
>>Do they not use a road-roller (or, as they once were
>>called, a steam-roller)? That's the traditional and
>>usually efficacious way to get a flat road surface.
>
>Most pot hole repairs involve a shovel, cold patch maybe a hand
>tamper. More than likely just a few wacks with the shovel. With a crew
>of five.
Vermont DOT invented a gadget that saved them 80% of their highway
budget; the shovel that stands by itself.
On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 19:55:14 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:5tednbEL97m-FG3InZ2dnUU7-
>[email protected]:
>
>> On 9/9/2015 2:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Sonny wrote:
>
>>>> The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole.
>>>> Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it
>>>> takes to make the surfaces even.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Got that part of things, but that does not require a level in any way.
>>>
>>
>> Right, straight edge. Fill that hole and make a lump.
>
>Do they not use a road-roller (or, as they once were
>called, a steam-roller)? That's the traditional and
>usually efficacious way to get a flat road surface.
Most pot hole repairs involve a shovel, cold patch maybe a hand
tamper. More than likely just a few wacks with the shovel. With a crew
of five.
Sonny wrote:
>
> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
>
Not sure why they should even want to use a level on their job.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Sonny wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 11:15:41 AM UTC-5, Mike Marlow
> wrote:
>> Sonny wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
>>>
>>
>> Not sure why they should even want to use a level on their job.
>
> The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole.
> Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it
> takes to make the surfaces even.
>
Got that part of things, but that does not require a level in any way.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Markem wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 19:55:14 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:5tednbEL97m-FG3InZ2dnUU7-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> On 9/9/2015 2:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Sonny wrote:
>>
>>>>> The idea was that they either overfill or underfill a pot hole.
>>>>> Seems they can't figure out how to make the surfaces even or what it
>>>>> takes to make the surfaces even.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got that part of things, but that does not require a level in any way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right, straight edge. Fill that hole and make a lump.
>>
>> Do they not use a road-roller (or, as they once were
>> called, a steam-roller)? That's the traditional and
>> usually efficacious way to get a flat road surface.
>
> Most pot hole repairs involve a shovel, cold patch maybe a hand
> tamper. More than likely just a few wacks with the shovel. With a crew
> of five.
>
Around here it is a crew of 5 with one shovel, 2 trucks and 3 pickups.
--
You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or
you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment
that you get at the hands of someone else.
Leon wrote:
> On 9/8/2015 11:05 AM, John McCoy wrote:
>> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Our road repair crews don't how to use a level.
>>
>> Speaking of level, one of the mysteries of modern life is
>> why modern day road paving technology is unable to get a
>> manhole level with the road.
>>
>> When I was young, pretty much all the manholes were flush
>> with the road (when you ride a bicycle, you're pretty aware
>> of such things).
>>
>> But today, around here at least, it seems impossible to
>> make them flush, other than the occasional accident. If
>> the manhole isn't an inch or two below the road, then the
>> manhole itself will be flush, but surrounded by a moat 6
>> to 8 inches wide, which is an inch or two below the road.
>>
>> Certainly this is one area where modern technology isn't
>> progress.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> Roads get resurfaced, man hole covers don't.
> A simple spacer to extend the hole lip would be the easy answer.
>
Spacers do exist, but my town doesn't know that.
--
GW Ross
Men still remember the first kiss
after women have forgotten the last.
On 9/10/2015 5:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/10/2015 10:57 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>>
>> Permanently repairing a pothole requires carefully bonding the old
>> and new asphalt to prevent premature deterioration at the
>> boundaries.
>>
>> When quickly repairing potholes, the repair is often left proud and the
>> compression is done by traffic instead of a roller.
>>
> You would think they would have a better system by now. I know of a few
> potholes that are filled three or four times a year. Given the present
> state of technology for adhesives, there has to be a better material for
> repeat offenders. Maybe its job security for the Highway Department.
If the repair guys worked for a company that had to stand behind the
repairs, yes, the pot holes could probably be repaired and not thought
of again.
But the repair guys are working for your local government and don't have
to produce lasting results.
And Yes, it is job security.
On 9/10/2015 10:57 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> Permanently repairing a pothole requires carefully bonding the old
> and new asphalt to prevent premature deterioration at the
> boundaries.
>
> When quickly repairing potholes, the repair is often left proud and the
> compression is done by traffic instead of a roller.
>
You would think they would have a better system by now. I know of a few
potholes that are filled three or four times a year. Given the present
state of technology for adhesives, there has to be a better material for
repeat offenders. Maybe its job security for the Highway Department.