Taliesin pendant lamp

In article <[email protected]>, Dave Hinz
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:49:06 -0400, Dick Snyder
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I tried posting this message in abpw along with a picture of the lamp
> > without much luck so I will try here with a website reference to the lamp.
>
> Ah, that'd be because this isn't a .binaries group, so that won't
> (and shouldn't) work. Pictures are big, and can displace many many
> text-based posts, making them expire early.

He said he tried posting the picture in abpw, which *is* a binaries
group.

That didn't work, so he posted a link here. All quite proper.

Kevin

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:49:06 -0400, Dick Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
> I tried posting this message in abpw along with a picture of the lamp
> without much luck so I will try here with a website reference to the lamp.

Ah, that'd be because this isn't a .binaries group, so that won't
(and shouldn't) work. Pictures are big, and can displace many many
text-based posts, making them expire early.

> I would love to make a version of the Frank Lloyd Wright pendant lamp from
> Taliesin. You can see a picture of a replica at:
> http://www.highbrowfurniture.com/lighting/products/P2430/

Yup.

> Has anyone seen a plan for this?

I haven't. The Wright licensing folks probably aren't real keen on
giving people the recipe when they can sell licensed products for so much
money. Looks like there's enough to work from there, though. Our local
museum has a store with this line of products in it, so you can see one
in person (Milwaukee if that helps).

I like Wright's work in general, but I can't say I care for this particular
light...to each their own though.

Dave Hinz

> I have been to the Boston Public Library and have pretty thoroughly
> researched Taliesin. The pendant lamp only shows up a couple of times in the
> books. There are better pictures on the web from companies that make a
> version (actually it is just one company but it is sold by several
> suppliers). I saw one in a lighting store in Boston a couple of years ago
> but I didn't think they would appreciate me hanging around making drawings.
> If it comes to that, I may have to do it but I hope that someone in this
> group may have seen a plan somewhere. As for the lighting, since a modern
> version is for sale, I'm sure that the issues have been dealt with if only
> to be able to sell them safely.
>
> Dick Snyder

I too have a great interest in reproducing FLW lighting for my own
home. Have you considered printing out the page you gave a link to,
then using a xerox machine to blow the image up til it's reached it's
stated dimensions? I realize the result will be pretty fuzzy, but you
should be able to measure an at least get a plan that will be properly
proportioned visually.
BTW, I had not seen that particular lamp, thanks for the link.
Another challenge will be to find small lamps and sockets at a low
enough price to make it worth building, or affordable. Lowest I've
found is about $5 each, socket with bulb, and the design I planned out
has at least 36 lamps. If you find cheaper bulbs or sockets, please
post it here.

Dick - We were in Wisconsin a couple of years ago and saw some of these
lamps. While I am not normally into this type of artsy lighting these were
truly spectacular - not only in design but in the lighting effects. Have
you contacted the Taliesin preservation commission
http://www.taliesinpreservation.org/?

I might be completely off base but I believe they had information concerning
some of Wright's lamps and other furnishings in their bookstore. They might
have also had some kits of some of his more simple items (not this lamp).

This might sound nuts but..... Have you considered gathering all of the
photos and information your can find and scaling individual dimensions based
on the overall dimensions provided in books and web pages -- and then laying
it out yourself? I am an old, board draftsman and the process of laying out
a scaled design is not that daunting. The tough part comes from figuring
out the assembly methods and electrical components. I am sure these lamps
use lighting and electrical parts that are outdated and even hazardous by
today's standards.

I had this thought when I was looking at some of them in the museum
bookstore. As nice as they are, they did not look horribly complicated in
their assembly. You appear to be interested in Wright's designs. If you
ever get to Wisconsin, I recommend a trip to Spring Green. Wright wasn't
the only radical thinker of that age and in that area - but probably the
best.

RonB

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:49:06 -0400, Dick Snyder
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I tried posting this message in abpw along with a picture of the lamp
>> without much luck so I will try here with a website reference to the
>> lamp.
>
> Ah, that'd be because this isn't a .binaries group, so that won't
> (and shouldn't) work. Pictures are big, and can displace many many
> text-based posts, making them expire early.
>
>> I would love to make a version of the Frank Lloyd Wright pendant lamp
>> from Taliesin. You can see a picture of a replica at:
>> http://www.highbrowfurniture.com/lighting/products/P2430/
>
> Yup.
>
>> Has anyone seen a plan for this?
>
> I haven't. The Wright licensing folks probably aren't real keen on
> giving people the recipe when they can sell licensed products for so
> much money. Looks like there's enough to work from there, though.
> Our local museum has a store with this line of products in it, so you
> can see one in person (Milwaukee if that helps).
>
> I like Wright's work in general, but I can't say I care for this
> particular light...to each their own though.
>
> Dave Hinz
>

Also got to wonder if the lamp was involved in the theater burning down.

"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:G5Xad.3295$EZ.2153@okepread07...
> Dick - We were in Wisconsin a couple of years ago and saw some of these
> lamps. While I am not normally into this type of artsy lighting these
> were truly spectacular - not only in design but in the lighting effects.
> Have you contacted the Taliesin preservation commission
> http://www.taliesinpreservation.org/?
>
> I might be completely off base but I believe they had information
> concerning some of Wright's lamps and other furnishings in their
> bookstore. They might have also had some kits of some of his more simple
> items (not this lamp).
>
> This might sound nuts but..... Have you considered gathering all of the
> photos and information your can find and scaling individual dimensions
> based on the overall dimensions provided in books and web pages -- and
> then laying it out yourself? I am an old, board draftsman and the process
> of laying out a scaled design is not that daunting. The tough part comes
> from figuring out the assembly methods and electrical components. I am
> sure these lamps use lighting and electrical parts that are outdated and
> even hazardous by today's standards.
>
> I had this thought when I was looking at some of them in the museum
> bookstore. As nice as they are, they did not look horribly complicated in
> their assembly. You appear to be interested in Wright's designs. If you
> ever get to Wisconsin, I recommend a trip to Spring Green. Wright wasn't
> the only radical thinker of that age and in that area - but probably the
> best.
>
> RonB
>
>

I have been to the Boston Public Library and have pretty thoroughly
researched Taliesin. The pendant lamp only shows up a couple of times in the
books. There are better pictures on the web from companies that make a
version (actually it is just one company but it is sold by several
suppliers). I saw one in a lighting store in Boston a couple of years ago
but I didn't think they would appreciate me hanging around making drawings.
If it comes to that, I may have to do it but I hope that someone in this
group may have seen a plan somewhere. As for the lighting, since a modern
version is for sale, I'm sure that the issues have been dealt with if only
to be able to sell them safely.

Dick Snyder

"Gary DeWitt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> I have been to the Boston Public Library and have pretty thoroughly
>> researched Taliesin. The pendant lamp only shows up a couple of times in
>> the
>> books. There are better pictures on the web from companies that make a
>> version (actually it is just one company but it is sold by several
>> suppliers). I saw one in a lighting store in Boston a couple of years ago
>> but I didn't think they would appreciate me hanging around making
>> drawings.
>> If it comes to that, I may have to do it but I hope that someone in this
>> group may have seen a plan somewhere. As for the lighting, since a modern
>> version is for sale, I'm sure that the issues have been dealt with if
>> only
>> to be able to sell them safely.
>>
>> Dick Snyder
>
> I too have a great interest in reproducing FLW lighting for my own
> home. Have you considered printing out the page you gave a link to,
> then using a xerox machine to blow the image up til it's reached it's
> stated dimensions? I realize the result will be pretty fuzzy, but you
> should be able to measure an at least get a plan that will be properly
> proportioned visually.
> BTW, I had not seen that particular lamp, thanks for the link.
> Another challenge will be to find small lamps and sockets at a low
> enough price to make it worth building, or affordable. Lowest I've
> found is about $5 each, socket with bulb, and the design I planned out
> has at least 36 lamps. If you find cheaper bulbs or sockets, please
> post it here.

instead of multiple copies, make 1 copy on an acetate sheet. use the
overhead projector at a school or library to display it on the wall to your
desired size. tape a large sheet of paper (i use endrolls from newspaper
plant) to the wall and just trace or measure it.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az (about 10 miles from where this lamp resides)

"Gary DeWitt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> I have been to the Boston Public Library and have pretty thoroughly
>> researched Taliesin. The pendant lamp only shows up a couple of times in
>> the
>> books. There are better pictures on the web from companies that make a
>> version (actually it is just one company but it is sold by several
>> suppliers). I saw one in a lighting store in Boston a couple of years ago
>> but I didn't think they would appreciate me hanging around making
>> drawings.
>> If it comes to that, I may have to do it but I hope that someone in this
>> group may have seen a plan somewhere. As for the lighting, since a modern
>> version is for sale, I'm sure that the issues have been dealt with if
>> only
>> to be able to sell them safely.
>>
>> Dick Snyder
>
> I too have a great interest in reproducing FLW lighting for my own
> home. Have you considered printing out the page you gave a link to,
> then using a xerox machine to blow the image up til it's reached it's
> stated dimensions? I realize the result will be pretty fuzzy, but you
> should be able to measure an at least get a plan that will be properly
> proportioned visually.
> BTW, I had not seen that particular lamp, thanks for the link.
> Another challenge will be to find small lamps and sockets at a low
> enough price to make it worth building, or affordable. Lowest I've
> found is about $5 each, socket with bulb, and the design I planned out
> has at least 36 lamps. If you find cheaper bulbs or sockets, please
> post it here.

I have looked at multiple pictures and there are lots of details that are
hard to make out. As for the cost of the lights, these lamps sell for $4000
so that isn't as big an issue as the plan. I have only seen one "plan" which
is very hard to make out. I will post it on apbw.

Dick Snyder

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:40:58 GMT, Kevin Craig <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Dave Hinz
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:49:06 -0400, Dick Snyder
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > I tried posting this message in abpw along with a picture of the lamp
>> > without much luck so I will try here with a website reference to the lamp.
>>
>> Ah, that'd be because this isn't a .binaries group, so that won't
>> (and shouldn't) work. Pictures are big, and can displace many many
>> text-based posts, making them expire early.
>
>He said he tried posting the picture in abpw, which *is* a binaries
>group.
>
>That didn't work, so he posted a link here. All quite proper.
>
>Kevin


I saw a picture of the lamp over in ABPW...

Here is an art glass company that is reproducting some of his work:

http://www.oakbrookesser.com/FLR-fllw-lighting-collection.shtml