Router lift recommendations

On Jul 21, 5:50=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> LOL LOL loose the hook in that lip, sucker LOL
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:6cd322f0-882d-48d0-940b-4b7af29786be@u26g2000yqu...
>
> On Jul 21, 5:24=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Please like me
> > and my jokes, or I will be very upset, and make even more little
> > jokes so you jump in as the dumb ass I say, I post, I belief, I wish,
>
> Get some help. =A0(?? I belief ???)
>
> You are not a worthy adversary.

That's your schtick, eh? When somebody points out your plethora of
idiotic shortcomings, you "did it all on purpose". Naaa, you ARE the
idiot you 'play' to be.
Anyway, I have tired of you. Talk to me again after you graduate grade
5.

On Jul 18, 9:06=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:21:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jul 18, 12:04=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:54:21 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
> >> >"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
> >> >> wrote the following:
>
> >> >>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:[email protected].=
com...
> >> >>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> >> >>>> make them for several other folks:
>
> >> >>>>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> >> >>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
> >> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> >> >>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> >> >>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> >> >>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> >> >>>> > MJ
>
> >> >>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
> >> >>>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this =
option
> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DU5SzkQTxMvA
>
> >> >> Cdub, I prefer this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DciXplz3SrM=
k
> >> >> Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?
>
> >> >WOW!! And only $14.00 for the Plans!! Definitely go to the web site.
>
> >> Total cost (with owner already owning a router) is under $100, half
> >> the price of one of the overpriced POS lifts.
>
> >> >All said, the mother site will likely cost me Hours.
>
> >> That's an absolute given. =A0;)
>
> >Canuckistani no less...
>
> Y'mean "Canuckistani for a change", don'tcha?
> <duckin', bigtime>
>

We have a few talented people up here. Out of 33.5 million population
we get lucky sometimes. Like the guy who developed the adhesive that
hold igs together. (IgGlue)

I'll be here all week.

Try the veal.

Don't forget to tip your waitress.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:03:44 -0400, Upscale <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:36:48 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>20 years and replaced it with a Triton router about 7 years ago, it has a
>>built in lift and works well with the Bench Dog table.
>
>Question about lifting the router while in the table. How
>easy/accurate is it to operate? I'm guessing, maybe wrongly, that you
>have to operate the lift with your hands under the table. I'm just
>wondering how convenient operating the Triton router lift is compared
>to one of the above table adjustments. Obviously, there is a price
>difference between the two, but that's not the question I'm asking.

After getting my Triton I dutifully drilled the hole for the above
table adjustment doohickey and tested it out. And then I never used
it again. If you changed bits then you might have to change speeds so
your hand is under the table anyway. After changing the height, well
there's that lock knob to lock, which you might omit doing but there's
a lock and I'm going to lock the sucker, so your hand is under the
table anyway. You need to get down at eye level to the bit to set the
height and while you're doing that there's time to open up a door and
get your hand in there... which is faster than retreiving the adjuster
doohickey, which has probably fallen off the back of the router table
by the time you needed it, and getting it engaged properly anyway. So
long story short, totally pointless feature as far as I am concerned,
unless your table is designed in a way that makes getting to the
underside more difficult than it ought to be.

HOWEVER, the Triton, when the power is off, lets you bring the collet
up above the table and locks the spindle by itself. One wrench for
bit changes. It usually takes me longer to find the right bit than to
change it. That right there is worth the price of admission.

-Kevin

We would need a full sentence to understand your troll properly.


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Or in your case, a top-posting, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing,
improperly-configured-Microsoft-Outlook-Express-using fuckhead.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>> make them for several other folks:
>>
>> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>
>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>
>>
>>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>
>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>
>> > MJ
>
>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!

If router elevators ever drop below the "price contains a comma"
level, let me know, eh? They're getting Festering prices for that
crap, mon. UFR!

--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

<[email protected]> wrote

> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> really like or should stay away from?
>
> Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
------------------------------------
SFWIW, Cerritos College equipped ALL of their router stations with
Bench Dog units for their Wood Manufacturing Technologies units.

NICE.

Lew

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:0fe0a633-4da3-4a1f-9f1f-8cc841e29c28@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com:

*snip*

>
> Don't forget to tip your waitress.
>

To what angle?

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

"Robatoy" wrote:

>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?

Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
either.
One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035

------------------------------------
If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.

"One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
speed."

Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.

Lew

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote

>Any of the Milwaukee routers adjusts from the top of the table. Not
>just accurately, but damned fine machinery to boot.

What he said.
I'm happy with my "5625-20"

Max

On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>> make them for several other folks:
>>
>> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>
>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>
>>
>>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>
>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>
>> > MJ
>
>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!

Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?

On Jul 16, 11:51=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]=
m>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jul 16, 8:38=A0pm, "[email protected]"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <counterfit...@gmail=
.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jul 16, 2:44=A0pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> >> >> make them for several other folks:
>
> >> >>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> >> >> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> >> >> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> >> >> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> >> >> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> >> >> > MJ
>
> >> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
> >> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>
> >Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
> >A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
> >either.
> >One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> >speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
> >nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
> >http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>
> A lot of what a router (in table) is asked to do really is a shaper's job=
but
> the router is more versatile. =A0I'll stick with the router. =A0...at lea=
st for
> now. =A0;-)

If you have to have one, a router is a better choice. But many people
I know will mount their router in a table and leave it there. In that
case, I think a shaper is a better investment.

On Jul 18, 12:04=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:54:21 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote the following:
>
> >>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com=
...
> >>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> >>>> make them for several other folks:
>
> >>>>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> >>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> >>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> >>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> >>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> >>>> > MJ
>
> >>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
> >>>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this opt=
ion
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DU5SzkQTxMvA
>
> >> Cdub, I prefer this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DciXplz3SrMk
> >> Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?
>
> >WOW!! And only $14.00 for the Plans!! Definitely go to the web site.
>
> Total cost (with owner already owning a router) is under $100, half
> the price of one of the overpriced POS lifts.
>
> >All said, the mother site will likely cost me Hours.
>
> That's an absolute given. =A0;)
>
> --
> Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
> throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
> =A0without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
> with cheerfulness. =A0-- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711

Canuckistani no less...

"Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>> "Quiet" was never a huge winner, in my book. Cutting wood is noisy.
>
>>> True but a shaper sounds good, a routers scream is horrendous.
>
>> I don't find router noise to be all that bad. I think my Dewalt planer
>> is
>> worse.
>
> Perhaps a segmented spiral cutter head would help?

Perhaps an induction motor would help. My old Ryobi AP10 portable planer
was much louder than my 15" stationary Delta planer.




>
>>> Having said that, every home wood shop needs at least one router, but
>>> not a shaper. A shaper is a luxury in a home shop.
>>
>> So is the space it takes.
>
> Space is usually a luxury but if you gots the room, and the money, a
> shaper is nice, and the lift awesome.
>
>>> I certainly would spend $300 on a heavy duty router with built in lift
>>> like the Triton before spending it on just a lift. If you already have
>>> a router, well, now you'd have two, a very good idea in itself.
>>
>> No Festering 2200? I bought a lift about five years ago for a router I
>> bought
>> with the intention of leaving in a table. I really like the lift and
>> don't
>> have any intention of replacing the router (subject to tomorrow's whim).
>> The
>> next purchase in this area is going to be a new top. I'm looking to build
>> a
>> new table, perhaps when it gets cooler.
>
> Makes sense, but, the issue was buying a router lift. If you're going to
> spend $300 on a lift, then, why not buy another router for less with a
> built in lift?

Exactly!

On Jul 16, 8:38=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]=
m>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jul 16, 2:44=A0pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> >> make them for several other folks:
>
> >>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> >> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> >> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> >> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> >> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> >> > MJ
>
> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?

Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
either.
One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:12:25 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>really like or should stay away from?
>
>Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>towards the Bench Dog ProLift.

I like my Jet Xacta Lift. It's really a JessEm Rout-R-Lift in drag, but I
still like it. The only fault I have with it is that it doesn't fit a
"standard" table. The plate is something like 11-3/4" X 14-3/4" (rather than
9-1/4" X 11-3/4").

http://www.amazon.com/Jet-708124-XLIFT-K-Xacta-Lift-Router/dp/B0007G8I9C

On Jul 21, 11:24=A0am, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode m=
ore
> modern posting styles?
>

MANY prefer it? Look around you. Nobody top-posts in here. It is rude
to top-post.
But if you want to pick your nose and scratch your balls at the dinner
table, proclaiming it is 'modern' then by all means look like the
rudenick you are.
*I* think, however, that you're just a contrary little punk who needs
to grow up.

On Jul 16, 2:44=A0pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> make them for several other folks:
>
> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> > MJ

WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!

On Jul 21, 5:24=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Please like me
> and my jokes, or I will be very upset, and make even more little
> jokes so you jump in as the dumb ass I say, I post, I belief, I wish,

Get some help. (?? I belief ???)

You are not a worthy adversary.

On Jul 19, 8:59=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just like sex for ya'
>
I wouldn't know... but by all means, spare us the details.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:33:42 -0500, "woodstuff"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
> >
> >"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >>
> >> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
> >> >
> >> > Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
> >>
> >> Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
> >> A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
> >> either.
> >> One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> >> speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
> >> nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
> >> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >> If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
> >> buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
> >>
> >> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> >> speed."
> >>
> >> Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
> >> induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.
> >>
> >> Lew
> >>
> >I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems with
a
> >Grizzly machine (GO454).
> >Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be
about
> >the same cost and 10 times better.
>
> And the other 99% of us have owned several Griz machines and haven't
> had a lick of trouble with -any- of them. YMMV.
>
> --
> Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
> throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
> without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
> with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 171

Well, I only reason bought the Griz 'cuz a poster said that a Domino would
hit my wife on the head and I might get another one also. Since she moved
out and is going to file for a divorce, this might simplify matters... I
really want that Domino, and I sure would miss her :-)

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:21:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>On Jul 18, 12:04 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:54:21 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>> >"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote the following:
>>
>> >>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>> >>>> make them for several other folks:
>>
>> >>>>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>
>> >>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>
>> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>> >>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>
>> >>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>> >>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>
>> >>>> > MJ
>>
>> >>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>
>> >>>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this option
>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5SzkQTxMvA
>>
>> >> Cdub, I prefer this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXplz3SrMk
>> >> Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?
>>
>> >WOW!! And only $14.00 for the Plans!! Definitely go to the web site.
>>
>> Total cost (with owner already owning a router) is under $100, half
>> the price of one of the overpriced POS lifts.
>>
>> >All said, the mother site will likely cost me Hours.
>>
>> That's an absolute given.  ;)
>>
>Canuckistani no less...

Y'mean "Canuckistani for a change", don'tcha?
<duckin', bigtime>

--
Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711

> I haven't found that you contribute anything worthwhile to this group and
> shit seems to fallow you. I have now killfiled three posters by your name.
> Hopefully, you are the last one. ZOT, you're gone

Which, BTW, is how modern news readers handle the problem of top-posters.

On Jul 21, 8:53=A0am, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >>> "Quiet" was never a huge winner, in my book. =A0Cutting wood is noisy=
. =A0
> >> True but a shaper sounds good, a routers scream is horrendous.
> > I don't find router noise to be all that bad. =A0I think my Dewalt plan=
er is
> > worse.
>
> Perhaps a segmented spiral cutter head would help?
>
> >> Having said that, every home wood shop needs at least one router, but
> >> not a shaper. =A0A shaper is a luxury in a home shop.
>
> > So is the space it takes.
>
> Space is usually a luxury but if you gots the room, and the money, a
> shaper is nice, and the lift awesome.
>
> >> I certainly would spend $300 on a heavy duty router with built in lift
> >> like the Triton before spending it on just a lift. =A0If you already h=
ave
> >> a router, well, now you'd have two, a very good idea in itself.
>
> > No Festering 2200? =A0I bought a lift about five years ago for a router=
I bought
> > with the intention of leaving in a table. =A0I really like the lift and=
don't
> > have any intention of replacing the router (subject to tomorrow's whim)=
. =A0The
> > next purchase in this area is going to be a new top. I'm looking to bui=
ld a
> > new table, perhaps when it gets cooler.
>
> Makes sense, but, the issue was buying a router lift. =A0If you're going
> to spend $300 on a lift, then, why not buy another router for less with
> a built in lift?

I already have the router and lift (Jet Xacta Lift, which is a
rebadged JessEm Rout-R-Lift). The router is no Festering 2200 but it
doesn't need to be.

http://www.jessem.com/ROUT-R-LIFT.html

On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:16:49 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Jul 16, 11:51 pm, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jul 16, 8:38 pm, "[email protected]"
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>> >> >> make them for several other folks:
>>
>> >> >>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>
>> >> >> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>
>> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>> >> >> > really like or should stay away from?
>>
>> >> >> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>> >> >> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>
>> >> >> > MJ
>>
>> >> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>
>> >> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>>
>> >Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
>> >A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
>> >either.
>> >One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> >speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
>> >nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
>> >http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>>
>> A lot of what a router (in table) is asked to do really is a shaper's job but
>> the router is more versatile.  I'll stick with the router.  ...at least for
>> now.  ;-)
>
>If you have to have one, a router is a better choice. But many people
>I know will mount their router in a table and leave it there. In that
>case, I think a shaper is a better investment.

I now have four. Am I allowed to leave one in the table (lift)?

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:41:18 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>>> make them for several other folks:
>>>
>>> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>>
>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>>
>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>>
>>> > MJ
>>
>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
>If router elevators ever drop below the "price contains a comma"
>level, let me know, eh? They're getting Festering prices for that
>crap, mon. UFR!

Huh? They're only a third of that and only a half of the price of the
festering router that they really need. ;-) You can get both and not need a
comma.

On Jul 21, 2:48=A0pm, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> He's right. Nobody top posts. Doesn't everybody talk like this?
> You walk out of your house and you see your neighbor, Jim.
> You: Hey Jim, how's it going?
> Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you?
> You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doi=
ng
> great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Wan=
t
> to come along?
> Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doi=
ng
> great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Wan=
t
> to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog?
> You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doi=
ng
> great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Wan=
t
> to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog? Not a problem, bring him
> along.
>

Doesn't apply. The newsgroup is for others to read as well, not just a
dialogue. The top section brings the other readers up to speed and
paves the way for the replies.

How many names have you been trolling this crap under?

I would have thought such a seasoned user would know how to use a
killfilter.

Better trolling next time. Pehaps a more convincing nym?


"Sybil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Who gives a shit what YOU can read? We can all read it too, but who WANTS
to?
The vast majority of us here prefer to read conversations top to bottom,
like
a book or an interview, in the order that the conversation actually
*occurred*.
You've been politely asked over and over not to top-post, and you've
either
blatantly ignored the requests or you've replied with snide and
condescending
remarks. Congratulations! I'm sure you can just imagine all the new
friends
you've made! You're just like the obnoxious new kid that horns in on a
group
of life-long friends and expects the whole clan to bend to YOUR way of doing
things. You need to eat some serious crow or you will be plonked and
ignored
by 95% of the people here, and something tells me you're already about 95%
of
the way there. Way to go; you really know how to be a part of the team.

--
A. Because it makes the discussion harder to read.
Q. Why should I not top-post?
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/


On 7/21/2010 8:47 PM, Josepi wrote:
> I can read any format, after I graduated from grade 5
>
> You guys need a better troll than posting style.

On 7/15/10 9:12 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> really like or should stay away from?

I use the Rockler Router Lift FX
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21380&filter=router%20lift%20fx
With good results in a Bench Dog router table extension on my table saw.

It took a bit of adjustment to hold my PC 893 but has been quite stable
since the initial set up. Height adjustments are fast and accurate.

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 7/19/2010 3:33 AM, woodstuff wrote:
> > "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >>
> >>> WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
> >>>
> >>> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
> >>
> >> Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
> >> A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
> >> either.
> >> One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> >> speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
> >> nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
> >> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >> If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
> >> buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
> >>
> >> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> >> speed."
> >>
> >> Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
> >> induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.
> >>
> >> Lew
> >>
> > I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems
with a
> > Grizzly machine (GO454).
> > Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be
about
> > the same cost and 10 times better.
>
> Do get started. Grizzly is generally well regarded--if you've had
> problems please do share.
>
> > I do, however, use Grizzly shaper cutters, and they seem to cost about
the
> > same or less than some router bits I have seen. There are some
high-dollar
> > brands of shaper cutters that I really can't afford, being a small shop.
(I
> > know two people with large shops and have an inventory of cutters that
would
> > cost more than my GMC pickup)
> >
> > Shaper cutters go a lot longer before getting dull, IMHO.
> >
> >
Well, other than the common stuff of having to initially readjust the knives
and bed rollers, I had a problem of slop in the crank handle that required
removing the top and having it ground a little. The knob that tightens the
vertical adjustment has never been able to hold it; it's like a decoration.
And it's minor, but the glides on the side where there is a petal to push
down always moved until I put in some backup nuts. The knives that came
with it didn't last very long, but that can be expected. The motor itself
had a plastic part that disassembled itself (Grizzly replaced it). About
all of the above, the customer service guy at Grizzly said that "we can't
check all of them". Understandably, that may be true, but I don't think
that they check very many at all outside of China.

All-in-all, I guess that my problems have been really minor, and I guess
that I just got spoiled by having used more industrial planers. It works
and I guess that is all that matters. I officially recind any disparaging
remarks about Grizzly.

"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Hmm, we're talkin' router v. shaper and you bring up a planer and an
>> overpriced bisquicker along with a divorce. Respectfully, methinks
>> you have problems other than Griz, sir. ;)
>>
>> Best of luck in the estate splitting and woodworking tool acquisition.
>
> Or wherever your final destination might take you.

Snip people snip- or start top posting.

"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>

I haven't found that you contribute anything worthwhile to this group and
shit seems to fallow you. I have now killfiled three posters by your name.
Hopefully, you are the last one. ZOT, you're gone

Just like sex for ya'

LOL

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cf32d742-7517-4e71-b037-
Always compensating after the fact. Just ain't da same.



On Jul 19, 8:12 pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Induction motors are certainly a win but not because of dB, rather HP.
> That
> said, an electronically controlled router will have a pretty consistent
> RPM,
> as well.

Try to come up to the 90's and get a decent reader that handles it.



"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6359beaa-4edb-42f5-99b8-a9c4b3a5f9c2@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
MANY prefer it? Look around you. Nobody top-posts in here. It is rude
to top-post.
But if you want to pick your nose and scratch your balls at the dinner
table, proclaiming it is 'modern' then by all means look like the
rudenick you are.
*I* think, however, that you're just a contrary little punk who needs
to grow up


On Jul 21, 11:24 am, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode
> more
> modern posting styles?
>


--
Have your accounts been removed by other's complaints?
Do you like to force your opinions on others?
Do you need to use multiple names due to shame and fear?
Better rates for those requiring anonymity to survive!
******** easynews.com, trolling made easy **********

LOL LOL loose the hook in that lip, sucker LOL


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jul 21, 5:24 pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Please like me
> and my jokes, or I will be very upset, and make even more little
> jokes so you jump in as the dumb ass I say, I post, I belief, I wish,

Get some help. (?? I belief ???)

You are not a worthy adversary.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:a13569d8-7ba0-497f-8e3f-beef331a28aa@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> really like or should stay away from?
>
> Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> MJ


The Bench Dog is an excellent lift. But condiser that for the price of a
good lift you can buy a good router with the lift built in and you end up
with another router. I had a large Bosch hanging under my table for about
20 years and replaced it with a Triton router about 7 years ago, it has a
built in lift and works well with the Bench Dog table.

"Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> woodstuff wrote:
> >
> > I guess it is personal preference for me to not like Grizzly, and I am
> > probably unjustified in saying anything bad. I have a friend who has a
> > couple of their shapers and a bandsaw and he says that they do ok. So I
> > hereby backpetal on any comments about Grizzly.
>
> Your comments are just as valuable as anyone else's, particularly after
> you elaborated a bit. I've been thinking of buying some Grizzly
> products myself, specifically a planer, and some shaper bits. Your
> comments on both are much appreciated.
>
> --
> Jack
> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
> http://jbstein.com

As an aside about the Grizzly GO454, I found 9 (or 11, can't remember) other
companies with this same planer on the net. The main "body" is the same in
all, except for the colors and maybe some switching and HP. Some have
3-knife cutterheads, others 4. Some have byrd-style heads.

Going only from memory, I think there was Powermatic, Sunhill, (memory
escapes me), and of course Grizzly (which has a 4-knife cutterhead). One
thing I have a problem with is the design of the table where there is a
recess on both sides, and no built-in guide to keep the workpiece from under
the cutters. This applies mostly to wider pieces which might turn slightly
(as can happen on most any planer). I cut some thin sticks to go into the
little recess on each side of the table and clamped them on with C-clamps;
it worked ok.

Mostly, I use the planer to thin door panels to 11/16 before going to the
wide belt (which takes them to 5/8). Occasionally, I will use it for other
tasks, like surfacing rough sawn lumber. It does OK for what I use it for.
Still, I wish I had spent some more and gotten an industrial machine. For a
hobby shop or light use, the Grizzly might be fine.

If one puts a digital depth gauge on it, it would be nice; I have to measure
the pieces comming out when they start getting close.

have a good day, woodstuff

"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 07/19/2010 08:43 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:33:42 -0500, "woodstuff"
> > <[email protected]> wrote the following:
> >
> >> I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems
with a
> >> Grizzly machine (GO454).
> >> Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be
about
> >> the same cost and 10 times better.
> >
> > And the other 99% of us have owned several Griz machines and haven't
> > had a lick of trouble with -any- of them. YMMV.
>
> Add me to that list. I have the G0453 planer (the 15" version of the 20"
planer mentioned
> above), G0440 2HP cyclone dust collector, and the G1495 lathe. My dad has
a 15" planer and
> dust collector (both different models than mine), a 8" jointer, a G1035
shaper, and a 14"
> bandsaw. No problems with any of them.
>
> --
> Free bad advice available here.
> To reply, eat the taco.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

I guess it is personal preference for me to not like Grizzly, and I am
probably unjustified in saying anything bad. I have a friend who has a
couple of their shapers and a bandsaw and he says that they do ok. So I
hereby backpetal on any comments about Grizzly.

woodstuff

I can read any format, after I graduated from grade 5

You guys need a better troll than posting style.


"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Outlook Express on XP is an abortion, it is neither advanced nor modern.
You sir, are a tard.



On 7/21/10 11:24 AM, Josepi wrote:
> Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode
> more
> modern posting styles?
>

I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
make them for several other folks:

http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html

It is a excellent, well made product.

[email protected] wrote:


[email protected] wrote:
> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> really like or should stay away from?
>
> Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> MJ

Careful. The top posting crybabies will label you a "troll"


"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip people snip- or start top posting.


"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>
>> Hmm, we're talkin' router v. shaper and you bring up a planer and an
>> overpriced bisquicker along with a divorce. Respectfully, methinks
>> you have problems other than Griz, sir. ;)
>>
>> Best of luck in the estate splitting and woodworking tool acquisition.
>
> Or wherever your final destination might take you.

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:36:48 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>20 years and replaced it with a Triton router about 7 years ago, it has a
>>built in lift and works well with the Bench Dog table.
>
> Question about lifting the router while in the table. How
> easy/accurate is it to operate? I'm guessing, maybe wrongly, that you
> have to operate the lift with your hands under the table. I'm just
> wondering how convenient operating the Triton router lift is compared
> to one of the above table adjustments. Obviously, there is a price
> difference between the two, but that's not the question I'm asking.


My older Triton has a fine adjust knob that you twist, it is at the top of
the router but the bottom when hanging therefore it is easy to reach. The
newer models allow adjustment from the top of the table. Additionally the
coarse adjust knob is located on one of the handles, that too is easy to get
to.

Given that, most of the after market router lifts do offer a method to raise
the bit a precise measured distance. I have never had the desire or the
need for any type reference, I use my eyes and a test piece to determine If
I am cutting in the correct location.

On Thu 15 Jul 2010 08:12:25p, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote in news:a13569d8-7ba0-497f-8e3f-
[email protected]:

> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> really like or should stay away from?
>
> Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> MJ

I haven't seen anyone mention Router Raizer yet, so I'll chime in with
that. My router table is a 1 inch thick piece of table top from a dead
computer desk (the top was the only part of that desk that wasn't junk),
a Hitachi M12V, clamped to a WorkMate 550 and a homemade wood fence.
They had a sale at a woodworking show some years back and I decided it
was cheap enough, and the demo was good enough, to make it look like a
good gamble. About 70 bucks American, I think I paid.

I like it. There's a crank you have to keep handy and a little magnetic
cap for the crank hole, but so far that hasn't been a bother.

Then again, maybe I like it because it was so cheap and fits right in
with the whole Mickey Mouse arrangement for the router table. :-) I know
for sure it's a whole lot more fun than messing with the default height
adjustment, and just as accurate.

I started that route many times.

I ended up with the Triton 3 1/2 HP router with built in lift. That
gave me a router(Hitachi M12V) I didn't need(have five more) so I sold
it and offset the cost.

Couldn't be happier.

Jim

On Jul 18, 8:37=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:03:44 -0400, Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:36:48 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
>
> >>20 years and replaced it with a Triton router about 7 years ago, it has=
a
> >>built in lift and works well with the Bench Dog table.
>
> >Question about lifting the router while in the table. How
> >easy/accurate is it to operate? I'm guessing, maybe wrongly, that you
> >have to operate the lift with =A0your hands under the table. I'm just
> >wondering how convenient operating the Triton router lift is compared
> >to one of the above table adjustments. Obviously, there is a price
> >difference between the two, but that's not the question I'm asking.
>
> The Triton router adjusts from above the table, apparently. =A0I've never=
used
> one, so...
>
> Bottom of the page:http://www.ptreeusa.com/routers.htm#8052=A0

Any of the Milwaukee routers adjusts from the top of the table. Not
just accurately, but damned fine machinery to boot.

OMG! You have never had "sex"?



"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I wouldn't know... but by all means, spare us the details.


[email protected]...
On Jul 19, 8:59 pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just like sex for ya'
>

On Jul 16, 5:40=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0<[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> ------------------------------------
> SFWIW, Cerritos College equipped ALL of their router stations with
> Bench Dog units for their Wood Manufacturing Technologies units.

BTW, I was looking at router table tops in the Atlanta Rockler store
last weekend (none fit my Xacta lift) and the sales guy there
commented that "since they'd bought Bench Dog..." (they didn't make
tops for other lifts). True? Bench Dog is now a Rockler house name?

Is that team like in mortis and tenon, plugging YOUR butt, bigboy? LOL LOL
Why I am turned over by your pointy head, plonked even LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Welcome to my web, sucker, just try and get out!
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL


"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 7/21/2010 8:47 PM, Josepi wrote:
> I can read any format, after I graduated from grade 5
>
> You guys need a better troll than posting style.

Who gives a shit what YOU can read? We can all read it too, but who WANTS to?
The vast majority of us here prefer to read conversations top to bottom, like
a book or an interview, in the order that the conversation actually *occurred*.
You've been politely asked over and over not to top-post, and you've either
blatantly ignored the requests or you've replied with snide and condescending
remarks. Congratulations! I'm sure you can just imagine all the new friends
you've made! You're just like the obnoxious new kid that horns in on a group
of life-long friends and expects the whole clan to bend to YOUR way of doing
things. You need to eat some serious crow or you will be plonked and ignored
by 95% of the people here, and something tells me you're already about 95% of
the way there. Way to go; you really know how to be a part of the team.

On Jul 19, 8:12=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Induction motors are certainly a win but not because of dB, rather HP. =
=A0That
> said, an electronically controlled router will have a pretty consistent R=
PM,
> as well.

Always compensating after the fact. Just ain't da same.

On Jul 19, 8:12=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> However, a shaper won't turn smaller bits at a high enough RPM. =A0Certai=
nly
> there is a common area for the two tools, but there is a lot at either en=
d, as
> well. =A0

Agreed.

On 7/16/2010 12:44 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> make them for several other folks:
>
> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>> really like or should stay away from?
>>
>> Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>> towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>
>> MJ

Amazon.com prices:
Bench Dog ProLift - $325
Triton 3-1/4-HP router with built-in lift $270
Triton 2-1/4 HP router with built-in lift $220
Check the customer reviews, Tritons get high raves. I bought the
smaller router myself, it came with both 1/4 and 1/2 collets. I
installed it with a Rockler aluminum router table plate, total cost
still far less than the Bench Dog. The set-up is rock solid. I can now
accurately adjust my router up/down in .001 increments (confirmed with a
digital height gauge) in mere seconds, couldn't be easier. I also like
how the Triton automatically locks and unlocks the collet when I raise
and lower the router for bit changes.

"Robatoy sock puppet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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LOL LOL loose the hook in that lip, sucker LOL


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jul 21, 5:24 pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Please like me
> and my jokes, or I will be very upset, and make even more little
> jokes so you jump in as the dumb ass I say, I post, I belief, I wish,

Get some help. (?? I belief ???)

You are not a worthy adversary.

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:54:21 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
>> wrote the following:
>>
>>>
>>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>>>> make them for several other folks:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>>>
>>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>>>
>>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>>>
>>>> > MJ
>>>
>>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>>
>>>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this option
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5SzkQTxMvA
>>
>> Cdub, I prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXplz3SrMk
>> Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?
>>
>
>WOW!! And only $14.00 for the Plans!! Definitely go to the web site.

Total cost (with owner already owning a router) is under $100, half
the price of one of the overpriced POS lifts.


>All said, the mother site will likely cost me Hours.

That's an absolute given. ;)

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throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:38:14 -0400, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>>> speed."
>
>> "Quiet" was never a huge winner, in my book. Cutting wood is noisy.
>
>True but a shaper sounds good, a routers scream is horrendous. I always
>use my shaper over the router if possible. The main problem is cost of
>cutters, but I personally don't use all that many different cutters.
>Straight cutter for patterns and round over bits are most common. Cope
>and stick cutters are really pricey. I've always wanted to buy a set
>but what to buy is confusing and I don't build enough doors to go for it.

I don't find router noise to be all that bad. I think my Dewalt planer is
worse.

>Having said that, every home wood shop needs at least one router, but
>not a shaper. A shaper is a luxury in a home shop.

So is the space it takes.

>I certainly would spend $300 on a heavy duty router with built in lift
>like the Triton before spending it on just a lift. If you already have
>a router, well, now you'd have two, a very good idea in itself.

No Festering 2200? I bought a lift about five years ago for a router I bought
with the intention of leaving in a table. I really like the lift and don't
have any intention of replacing the router (subject to tomorrow's whim). The
next purchase in this area is going to be a new top. I'm looking to build a
new table, perhaps when it gets cooler.

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" wrote:
>
> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
> >
> > Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>
> Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
> A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
> either.
> One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
> nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>
> ------------------------------------
> If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
> buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
>
> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> speed."
>
> Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
> induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.
>
> Lew
>
I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems with a
Grizzly machine (GO454).
Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be about
the same cost and 10 times better.

I do, however, use Grizzly shaper cutters, and they seem to cost about the
same or less than some router bits I have seen. There are some high-dollar
brands of shaper cutters that I really can't afford, being a small shop. (I
know two people with large shops and have an inventory of cutters that would
cost more than my GMC pickup)

Shaper cutters go a lot longer before getting dull, IMHO.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:55:52 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Robatoy" wrote:
>
>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>
>> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>
>Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
>A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
>either.

However, a shaper won't turn smaller bits at a high enough RPM. Certainly
there is a common area for the two tools, but there is a lot at either end, as
well. I'll have to investigate this further. Some day, perhaps.

>One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
>nice sturdy table.

I thought that this was why Festering Tools existed. ;-)

>This looks like a lot of machine:
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035

I've looked at a lot of Grizzley tools, but have always found something else
that screamed louder for my money. Some day, perhaps, they'll win one.

>------------------------------------
>If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
>buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
>
>"One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>speed."

"Quiet" was never a huge winner, in my book. Cutting wood is noisy.

>Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
>induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.

Induction motors are certainly a win but not because of dB, rather HP. That
said, an electronically controlled router will have a pretty consistent RPM,
as well.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:03:44 -0400, Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:36:48 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>20 years and replaced it with a Triton router about 7 years ago, it has a
>>built in lift and works well with the Bench Dog table.
>
>Question about lifting the router while in the table. How
>easy/accurate is it to operate? I'm guessing, maybe wrongly, that you
>have to operate the lift with your hands under the table. I'm just
>wondering how convenient operating the Triton router lift is compared
>to one of the above table adjustments. Obviously, there is a price
>difference between the two, but that's not the question I'm asking.

The Triton router adjusts from above the table, apparently. I've never used
one, so...

Bottom of the page:
http://www.ptreeusa.com/routers.htm#8052

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5844df84-881b-44f3-9731-1ad025ae862f@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 16, 11:51 pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jul 16, 8:38 pm, "[email protected]"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
> >> <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> >> >> make them for several other folks:
>
> >> >>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> >> >> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> >> >> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> >> >> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> >> >> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> >> >> > MJ
>
> >> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
> >> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>
> >Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
> >A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
> >either.
> >One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
> >speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
> >nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
> >http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>
> A lot of what a router (in table) is asked to do really is a shaper's job
> but
> the router is more versatile. I'll stick with the router. ...at least for
> now. ;-)

If you have to have one, a router is a better choice. But many people
I know will mount their router in a table and leave it there. In that
case, I think a shaper is a better investment.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Or several routers ... :)

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
>>
>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>>> make them for several other folks:
>>>
>>> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>>
>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>>
>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>>
>>> > MJ
>>
>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>
>>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this option
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5SzkQTxMvA
>
> Cdub, I prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXplz3SrMk
> Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?
>

WOW!! And only $14.00 for the Plans!! Definitely go to the web site.

All said, the mother site will likely cost me Hours.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jul 18, 12:04 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:54:21 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote the following:
>
> >>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> >>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> >>>> make them for several other folks:
>
> >>>>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> >>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> >>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> >>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> >>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> >>>> > MJ
>
> >>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
> >>>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this
> >>>option
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5SzkQTxMvA
>
> >> Cdub, I prefer this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXplz3SrMk
> >> Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?
>
> >WOW!! And only $14.00 for the Plans!! Definitely go to the web site.
>
> Total cost (with owner already owning a router) is under $100, half
> the price of one of the overpriced POS lifts.
>
> >All said, the mother site will likely cost me Hours.
>
> That's an absolute given. ;)

Canuckistani no less...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
And the plaid shirt was a good touch. Even though it didn't look flannel.

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:36:48 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>20 years and replaced it with a Triton router about 7 years ago, it has a
>>built in lift and works well with the Bench Dog table.
>
> Question about lifting the router while in the table. How
> easy/accurate is it to operate? I'm guessing, maybe wrongly, that you
> have to operate the lift with your hands under the table. I'm just
> wondering how convenient operating the Triton router lift is compared
> to one of the above table adjustments. Obviously, there is a price
> difference between the two, but that's not the question I'm asking.


See photo in Amazon listing.

http://www.amazon.com/Triton-MOF001C-4-Horsepower-Precision-Router/dp/B000DINFHY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1279498405&sr=1-2

On 07/19/2010 08:43 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:33:42 -0500, "woodstuff"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>> I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems with a
>> Grizzly machine (GO454).
>> Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be about
>> the same cost and 10 times better.
>
> And the other 99% of us have owned several Griz machines and haven't
> had a lick of trouble with -any- of them. YMMV.

Add me to that list. I have the G0453 planer (the 15" version of the 20" planer mentioned
above), G0440 2HP cyclone dust collector, and the G1495 lathe. My dad has a 15" planer and
dust collector (both different models than mine), a 8" jointer, a G1035 shaper, and a 14"
bandsaw. No problems with any of them.

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On 7/19/2010 3:33 AM, woodstuff wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Robatoy" wrote:
>>
>>> WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>>
>>> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>>
>> Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
>> A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
>> either.
>> One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
>> nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>> If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
>> buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
>>
>> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> speed."
>>
>> Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
>> induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.
>>
>> Lew
>>
> I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems with a
> Grizzly machine (GO454).
> Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be about
> the same cost and 10 times better.

Do get started. Grizzly is generally well regarded--if you've had
problems please do share.

> I do, however, use Grizzly shaper cutters, and they seem to cost about the
> same or less than some router bits I have seen. There are some high-dollar
> brands of shaper cutters that I really can't afford, being a small shop. (I
> know two people with large shops and have an inventory of cutters that would
> cost more than my GMC pickup)
>
> Shaper cutters go a lot longer before getting dull, IMHO.
>
>

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:22:38 -0500, "woodstuff"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:33:42 -0500, "woodstuff"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected]...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Robatoy" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>>> >>
>>> >> Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
>>> >> A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a
>>> >> leg
>>> >> either.
>>> >> One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>>> >> speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
>>> >> nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
>>> >> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>>> >>
>>> >> ------------------------------------
>>> >> If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need
>>> >> to
>>> >> buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
>>> >>
>>> >> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and
>>> >> constant
>>> >> speed."
>>> >>
>>> >> Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
>>> >> induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lew
>>> >>
>>> >I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems
>>> >with
>>a
>>> >Grizzly machine (GO454).
>>> >Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be
>>about
>>> >the same cost and 10 times better.
>>>
>>> And the other 99% of us have owned several Griz machines and haven't
>>> had a lick of trouble with -any- of them. YMMV.
>>
>>Well, I only reason bought the Griz 'cuz a poster said that a Domino would
>>hit my wife on the head and I might get another one also. Since she moved
>>out and is going to file for a divorce, this might simplify matters... I
>>really want that Domino, and I sure would miss her :-)
>
> Hmm, we're talkin' router v. shaper and you bring up a planer and an
> overpriced bisquicker along with a divorce. Respectfully, methinks
> you have problems other than Griz, sir. ;)
>
> Best of luck in the estate splitting and woodworking tool acquisition.

Or wherever your final destination might take you.

"woodstuff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 07/19/2010 08:43 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:33:42 -0500, "woodstuff"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>> >
>> >> I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems
> with a
>> >> Grizzly machine (GO454).
>> >> Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be
> about
>> >> the same cost and 10 times better.
>> >
>> > And the other 99% of us have owned several Griz machines and haven't
>> > had a lick of trouble with -any- of them. YMMV.
>>
>> Add me to that list. I have the G0453 planer (the 15" version of the 20"
> planer mentioned
>> above), G0440 2HP cyclone dust collector, and the G1495 lathe. My dad
>> has
> a 15" planer and
>> dust collector (both different models than mine), a 8" jointer, a G1035
> shaper, and a 14"
>> bandsaw. No problems with any of them.
>>
>> --
>> Free bad advice available here.
>> To reply, eat the taco.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
>
> I guess it is personal preference for me to not like Grizzly, and I am
> probably unjustified in saying anything bad. I have a friend who has a
> couple of their shapers and a bandsaw and he says that they do ok. So I
> hereby backpetal on any comments about Grizzly.

Let a thousand flowers bloom!

[email protected] wrote:

>> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> speed."

> "Quiet" was never a huge winner, in my book. Cutting wood is noisy.

True but a shaper sounds good, a routers scream is horrendous. I always
use my shaper over the router if possible. The main problem is cost of
cutters, but I personally don't use all that many different cutters.
Straight cutter for patterns and round over bits are most common. Cope
and stick cutters are really pricey. I've always wanted to buy a set
but what to buy is confusing and I don't build enough doors to go for it.

Having said that, every home wood shop needs at least one router, but
not a shaper. A shaper is a luxury in a home shop.

I certainly would spend $300 on a heavy duty router with built in lift
like the Triton before spending it on just a lift. If you already have
a router, well, now you'd have two, a very good idea in itself.

--
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woodstuff wrote:
>
> I guess it is personal preference for me to not like Grizzly, and I am
> probably unjustified in saying anything bad. I have a friend who has a
> couple of their shapers and a bandsaw and he says that they do ok. So I
> hereby backpetal on any comments about Grizzly.

Your comments are just as valuable as anyone else's, particularly after
you elaborated a bit. I've been thinking of buying some Grizzly
products myself, specifically a planer, and some shaper bits. Your
comments on both are much appreciated.

--
Jack
A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
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On 7/20/2010 8:35 PM, CW wrote:
> Snip people snip

Yes.

> or start top posting.

No!

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On 7/20/2010 9:31 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Careful. The top posting crybabies will label you a "troll"

Or in your case, a top-posting, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing,
improperly-configured-Microsoft-Outlook-Express-using fuckhead.

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[email protected] wrote:

>>> "Quiet" was never a huge winner, in my book. Cutting wood is noisy.

>> True but a shaper sounds good, a routers scream is horrendous.

> I don't find router noise to be all that bad. I think my Dewalt planer is
> worse.

Perhaps a segmented spiral cutter head would help?

>> Having said that, every home wood shop needs at least one router, but
>> not a shaper. A shaper is a luxury in a home shop.
>
> So is the space it takes.

Space is usually a luxury but if you gots the room, and the money, a
shaper is nice, and the lift awesome.

>> I certainly would spend $300 on a heavy duty router with built in lift
>> like the Triton before spending it on just a lift. If you already have
>> a router, well, now you'd have two, a very good idea in itself.
>
> No Festering 2200? I bought a lift about five years ago for a router I bought
> with the intention of leaving in a table. I really like the lift and don't
> have any intention of replacing the router (subject to tomorrow's whim). The
> next purchase in this area is going to be a new top. I'm looking to build a
> new table, perhaps when it gets cooler.

Makes sense, but, the issue was buying a router lift. If you're going
to spend $300 on a lift, then, why not buy another router for less with
a built in lift?

--
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On 7/21/10 11:24 AM, Josepi wrote:
> Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode more
> modern posting styles?
>
Outlook Express on XP is an abortion, it is neither advanced nor modern.
You sir, are a tard.

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The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Not a problem, bring him along.

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>Sure, you mind if I bring my dog?
>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>Want to come along?
>>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>I'm doing great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and
>>>swimming.
>>>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>How are you?
>>>>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>Great day to be alive.
>>>>>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>Hey Jim, how's it going?

>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
> He's right. Nobody top posts. Doesn't everybody talk like this?
> You walk out of your house and you see your neighbor, Jim.
> You: Hey Jim, how's it going?
> Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you?
> You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm
> doing great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and
> swimming. Want to come along?
> Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm
> doing great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and
> swimming. Want to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog?
> You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm
> doing great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and
> swimming. Want to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog? Not a
> problem, bring him along.
>
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:6359beaa-4edb-42f5-99b8-a9c4b3a5f9c2@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 21, 11:24 am, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode
>> more
>> modern posting styles?
>>
>
> MANY prefer it? Look around you. Nobody top-posts in here. It is rude
> to top-post.
> But if you want to pick your nose and scratch your balls at the dinner
> table, proclaiming it is 'modern' then by all means look like the
> rudenick you are.
> *I* think, however, that you're just a contrary little punk who needs
> to grow up.
>
>

On 7/21/2010 8:47 PM, Josepi wrote:
> I can read any format, after I graduated from grade 5
>
> You guys need a better troll than posting style.

Who gives a shit what YOU can read? We can all read it too, but who WANTS to?
The vast majority of us here prefer to read conversations top to bottom, like
a book or an interview, in the order that the conversation actually *occurred*.
You've been politely asked over and over not to top-post, and you've either
blatantly ignored the requests or you've replied with snide and condescending
remarks. Congratulations! I'm sure you can just imagine all the new friends
you've made! You're just like the obnoxious new kid that horns in on a group
of life-long friends and expects the whole clan to bend to YOUR way of doing
things. You need to eat some serious crow or you will be plonked and ignored
by 95% of the people here, and something tells me you're already about 95% of
the way there. Way to go; you really know how to be a part of the team.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Jul 16, 8:38 pm, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>> >> make them for several other folks:
>>
>> >>http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>
>> >> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>
>> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> [email protected] wrote:
>> >> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>> >> > really like or should stay away from?
>>
>> >> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>> >> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>
>> >> > MJ
>>
>> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>
>> Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>
>Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
>A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
>either.
>One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
>nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035

A lot of what a router (in table) is asked to do really is a shaper's job but
the router is more versatile. I'll stick with the router. ...at least for
now. ;-)

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:22:38 -0500, "woodstuff"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:33:42 -0500, "woodstuff"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>> >
>> >"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >>
>> >> "Robatoy" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>> >>
>> >> Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
>> >> A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
>> >> either.
>> >> One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> >> speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
>> >> nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
>> >> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------------
>> >> If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
>> >> buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
>> >>
>> >> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> >> speed."
>> >>
>> >> Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
>> >> induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.
>> >>
>> >> Lew
>> >>
>> >I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems with
>a
>> >Grizzly machine (GO454).
>> >Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be
>about
>> >the same cost and 10 times better.
>>
>> And the other 99% of us have owned several Griz machines and haven't
>> had a lick of trouble with -any- of them. YMMV.
>
>Well, I only reason bought the Griz 'cuz a poster said that a Domino would
>hit my wife on the head and I might get another one also. Since she moved
>out and is going to file for a divorce, this might simplify matters... I
>really want that Domino, and I sure would miss her :-)

Hmm, we're talkin' router v. shaper and you bring up a planer and an
overpriced bisquicker along with a divorce. Respectfully, methinks
you have problems other than Griz, sir. ;)

Best of luck in the estate splitting and woodworking tool acquisition.

--
Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:36:48 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>20 years and replaced it with a Triton router about 7 years ago, it has a
>built in lift and works well with the Bench Dog table.

Question about lifting the router while in the table. How
easy/accurate is it to operate? I'm guessing, maybe wrongly, that you
have to operate the lift with your hands under the table. I'm just
wondering how convenient operating the Triton router lift is compared
to one of the above table adjustments. Obviously, there is a price
difference between the two, but that's not the question I'm asking.

On 7/15/2010 8:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> really like or should stay away from?
>
> Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> towards the Bench Dog ProLift.

I have it ... excellent unit!

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:52:32 -0700, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
>wrote the following:
>
>>
>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>>> make them for several other folks:
>>>
>>> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>>
>>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>>
>>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>>
>>> > MJ
>>
>>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>>
>>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this option
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5SzkQTxMvA
>
>Cdub, I prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXplz3SrMk
>Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?

Ok. I'm impressed.

Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode more
modern posting styles?


"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
No!


On 7/20/2010 8:35 PM, CW wrote:
> Snip people snip

> or start top posting.


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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:45:47 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:

>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
>> make them for several other folks:
>>
>> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>>
>> It is a excellent, well made product.
>>
>>
>>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
>> > really like or should stay away from?
>>
>> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
>> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>>
>> > MJ
>
>WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>
>Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this option
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5SzkQTxMvA

Cdub, I prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXplz3SrMk
Why spend THREE GRAND on a Multi-Router?


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which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

Why I am turned over by your pointy head, fallowed even LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Golly gee you just trussed that hog up, sucker LOL LOL LOL LOL
Killfile your stoopid ass, dumb wood borer, granny sayed too.

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Gf6dnXnOMay1LNrRnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@earthlink...
>
>
>

I haven't found that you contribute anything worthwhile to this group and
shit seems to fallow you. I have now killfiled three posters by your name.
Hopefully, you are the last one. ZOT, you're gone

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:69c2642b-ef19-488d-bb31-04d1ea625571@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 16, 2:44 pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have had this one for a few years and as far I can tell, they
> make them for several other folks:
>
> http://www.jessem.com/MAST-R-LIFT.html
>
> It is a excellent, well made product.
>
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> > really like or should stay away from?
>
> > Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> > towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> > MJ

WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!

Or one of the above table adjustable routers. There is always this option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5SzkQTxMvA

He's right. Nobody top posts. Doesn't everybody talk like this?
You walk out of your house and you see your neighbor, Jim.
You: Hey Jim, how's it going?
Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you?
You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doing
great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Want
to come along?
Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doing
great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Want
to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog?
You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doing
great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Want
to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog? Not a problem, bring him
along.


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6359beaa-4edb-42f5-99b8-a9c4b3a5f9c2@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 11:24 am, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode
> more
> modern posting styles?
>

MANY prefer it? Look around you. Nobody top-posts in here. It is rude
to top-post.
But if you want to pick your nose and scratch your balls at the dinner
table, proclaiming it is 'modern' then by all means look like the
rudenick you are.
*I* think, however, that you're just a contrary little punk who needs
to grow up.

Those huge 3.5" dia blades scare the hell out of me.

I'll stick with the router, also. Somewhat limited but more versatile.

B.I.L. worked on a shaper professionally and made a vest of 1 x 2 pine, in a
ribs like fashion. He tooks some ridicule for a long time until a few years
later a shaper did throw a blade and it stuck in the vest. WHEW !


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

A lot of what a router (in table) is asked to do really is a shaper's job
but
the router is more versatile. I'll stick with the router. ...at least for
now. ;-)

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:33:42 -0500, "woodstuff"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Robatoy" wrote:
>>
>> >WAY too much money. Buy a shaper already!
>> >
>> > Are you adding in the cost of the sharp things?
>>
>> Shapers can run 1/2" router bits.... in fact, they do so quite well.
>> A set of cutters, the insert kind, don't have to cost an arm and a leg
>> either.
>> One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> speed. Usually pretty nice fence (two piece) dust collection, and a
>> nice sturdy table. This looks like a lot of machine:
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Shaper/G1035
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>> If you are starting from scratch with say only a router table (need to
>> buy a router and a lift), one comment above jumps out and grabs you.
>>
>> "One nice thing is the induction motor of a shaper. quiet and constant
>> speed."
>>
>> Not only is the above shaper package competitively priced, but an
>> induction motor is a major bonus, IMHO.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>I do not recomment any Grizzly machinery. I have had lotsa problems with a
>Grizzly machine (GO454).
>Don't get me started on that. A used machine made in the USA would be about
>the same cost and 10 times better.

And the other 99% of us have owned several Griz machines and haven't
had a lick of trouble with -any- of them. YMMV.

--
Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Is that team like in mortis and tenon, plugging YOUR butt, bigboy? LOL LOL
Why I am turned over by your pointy head, plonked even LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
LOL
Welcome to my web, sucker, just try and get out!
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL


"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 7/21/2010 8:47 PM, Josepi wrote:
> I can read any format, after I graduated from grade 5
>
> You guys need a better troll than posting style.

Who gives a shit what YOU can read? We can all read it too, but who WANTS
to?
The vast majority of us here prefer to read conversations top to bottom,
like
a book or an interview, in the order that the conversation actually
*occurred*.
You've been politely asked over and over not to top-post, and you've
either
blatantly ignored the requests or you've replied with snide and
condescending
remarks. Congratulations! I'm sure you can just imagine all the new
friends
you've made! You're just like the obnoxious new kid that horns in on a
group
of life-long friends and expects the whole clan to bend to YOUR way of doing
things. You need to eat some serious crow or you will be plonked and
ignored
by 95% of the people here, and something tells me you're already about 95%
of
the way there. Way to go; you really know how to be a part of the team.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:a13569d8-7ba0-497f-8e3f-beef331a28aa@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone bought or used a router lift that they
> really like or should stay away from?
>
> Considering one for my Bosch router. Leaning
> towards the Bench Dog ProLift.
>
> MJ

I have that one and love it. Very precise, easy to set.

LOL LOL my my, do go postal, sucker LOL
Please be happy I have you hook, line and sinker LOL
Just joking, you know, top posting is my little joke on you,
I only know how to make these little jokes. I bottom post
usually so I can hide very easily from the nasty trolls who haunt
my little jokes. I only ask to be wanted for little old joking me LOL
Make my joke work for me, I am important,
I need to be laughed along with, I am so comical. Please like me
and my jokes, or I will be very upset, and make even more little
jokes so you jump in as the dumb ass I say, I post, I belief, I wish,
you are LOL LOL LOL LOL

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

He's right. Nobody top posts. Doesn't everybody talk like this?
You walk out of your house and you see your neighbor, Jim.
You: Hey Jim, how's it going?
Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you?
You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doing
great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Want
to come along?
Jim: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doing
great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Want
to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog?
You: Hey Jim, how's it going? Great day to be alive. How are you? I'm doing
great. I'm heading out to the lake for a little boating and swimming. Want
to come along? Sure, you mind if I bring my dog? Not a problem, bring him
along.


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6359beaa-4edb-42f5-99b8-a9c4b3a5f9c2@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 11:24 am, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Many prefer it. Perhaps you need a more advanced reader that can decode
> more
> modern posting styles?
>

MANY prefer it? Look around you. Nobody top-posts in here. It is rude
to top-post.
But if you want to pick your nose and scratch your balls at the dinner
table, proclaiming it is 'modern' then by all means look like the
rudenick you are.
*I* think, however, that you're just a contrary little punk who needs
to grow up.