Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs, one of ou=
r toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild. I suspect that the flap, w=
hich ought to last three or four lifetimes, has developed a wrinkle that ke=
eps it from making a solid seal. Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this=
in one trip. =20
Larry
Larry W <[email protected]> wrote:
> By stocking those in your inventory, you are almost guaranteeing that
> the next time you replace the fill valve, you will break the supply line...
Bingo! ALWAYS buy a new supply line, _on the first trip_.
The plumbing Gods will insure that, after numerous trips to the hardware
store, and you finally have everything else working perfectly, the supply
line will suddenly leak where no leak went before ... back to the hardware
store.
--
www.ewoodshop.com (Mobile)
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:26:55 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I caution all of you who feel you can thrwart the devil himself with mere
>human wisdom and the folly of preparation. Hear my words and take them to
>heart - this is of the very devil himself and no one born of the loins of
>man will ever prevail over the devil and his work. It is written that the
>mark of the beast - the very evidence of the spawn of Satan, is the one who
>fixes plumbing with only one trip to the hardware.
Nope the devil is in the details, y'all seem to have some sort of
thing agains't plumbing. Maybe it has to do with plumbers hacking up
the pretty carpentry. So you try and do it yourselves, just pay the
damn devil (plumber) and be done with it.
Mark
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 11/14/2013 3:53 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>
>> Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>
> No way ... anything to do with plumbing is a minimum of two trips, the
> actual number being directly proportional to the distance to the
> hardware story. ;)
>
I've had pretty good luck with toilets. Usually the rebuild kits include
all I need to do it without extra trips back to the store.
I'm going to have to rebuild the guts of one of mine soon anyway. Hard
water doesn't help things... neither does the lack of a proper vent.
Unfortunately air admittance valves are considered "mechanical means" or
something and not allowed under code around here.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Gramps' shop wrote:
> Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs,
> one of our toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild. I suspect
> that the flap, which ought to last three or four lifetimes, has
> developed a wrinkle that keeps it from making a solid seal. Off to
> Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
----------------------------------------
At this point in my life, there are advantages to renting.
Not being responsible for repairs is one of them.
Good luck.
Lew
"Leon" wrote:
> If the flapper is black be careful as those tend to sluf off black
> stuff that gets all over everything.
------------------------------------------------
It has been my experience the above is a sure sign of a time to
replace.
And yes that black crap gets over everything if you are not very
CAREFUL.
Lew
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> As it should be. Clearly if Puckdropper can do a plumbing job with
> one stop at the hardware store, he is the very spawn of Satan, as
> plumbing is of the devil himself. Pure evil I tell you...
>
It's only the toilets... There's really only four parts: Toilet, wax
seal, fill valve, flush valve. Just keep one of everything except a
spare toilet around, and you'll save the extra trip to the hardware
store. ;-)
I'm in no danger of losing my parking space. There's a leaky bathtub
upstairs and I've got to figure out how to properly seal it. It's a
clawfoot and leaking from the faucet assembly. Worse, one of the plastic
nuts broke and it's apparently an odd-ball size (3/4") so the various
stores don't carry it. Two stores suggested an electrical locknut, so I
might give that a try.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm in no danger of losing my parking space. There's a leaky bathtub
>> upstairs and I've got to figure out how to properly seal it. It's a
>> clawfoot and leaking from the faucet assembly. Worse, one of the
>> plastic nuts broke and it's apparently an odd-ball size (3/4") so the
>> various stores don't carry it. Two stores suggested an electrical
>> locknut, so I might give that a try.
>>
>
> Have you no duct tape man? Big gob of duct tape and a squeeze of
> epoxy to seal it all and you're good to go.
>
I'm wondering if this might be a good excuse to buy a lathe... A metal
turning one with all the accessories. I could make my own nut then. :-)
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
>Scoff. ye heathan, but in the end, ye shall see... Verily, I tell
>you - it
>is of the devil himself.
---------------------------------------------------
"Markem" wrote:
> I have two uncles and a nephew that make a good living taming that
> devil, so I am versed in that black art beware sir.
-----------------------------------------------------
Requirements to be a plumber or a pipefitter:
1) Friday is payday.
2) Crap never flows uphill.
3) NEVER eat the yellow snow.
And last but not least:
4) NEVER bite your finger nails.
Lew
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:13:42 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>As it should be. Clearly if Puckdropper can do a plumbing job with one stop
>at the hardware store, he is the very spawn of Satan, as plumbing is of the
>devil himself. Pure evil I tell you...
The last plumbing job I did required only one trip, replaced the hot
water heater. Only parts needed dielectric connecters. But then I have
dug holes for my uncle the plumber, so just removed as the spawn of
satan by one step.
Mark
Gramps' shop wrote:
> Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs, one of our toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild. I suspect that the flap, which ought to last three or four lifetimes, has developed a wrinkle that keeps it from making a solid seal. Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>
> Larry
Did that 2 weeks ago. Ace had about 5 or 6 different flapper valves.
I picked one that looked the same, it wasn't. Second trip I took
the old one.
--
GW Ross
I intend to live forever or die
trying.
On 11/14/2013 3:53 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
No way ... anything to do with plumbing is a minimum of two trips, the
actual number being directly proportional to the distance to the
hardware story. ;)
--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
google.com/+KarlCaillouet
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>> Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs,
>> one of our toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild.
>> I suspect that the flap, which ought to last three or four lifetimes,
>> has developed a wrinkle that keeps it from making a solid seal.
>> Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>Is it actually leaking? Do you hear water refilling? Water refilling
>periodically is not always a leaking flapper, it can also be caused by
>water siphoning out through the fill tube if the hose going to the fill
>tube is submerged. In that case pull that hose out of the water in the
>fill tube.
My experience - every time -
is a tiny bit of leakage through the float valve -
- trickling through the overflow -
- and making tiny turbulance in the toilet bowl ..
A major float valve issue can be heard -
- you will hear the noise of the water pressure
making a slight flow through the float valve ..
The tiny leaks can't be heard - but usually seen -
in the toilet bowl...
The life-time expectancy of plumbing products
can be greatly altered by the water quality !
John T.
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On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:53:12 AM UTC-10, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs, one of =
our toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild. I suspect that the flap,=
which ought to last three or four lifetimes, has developed a wrinkle that =
keeps it from making a solid seal. Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do th=
is in one trip. =20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Larry
I recently did this and got lucky with the correct flapper the first trip ,=
but then discovered that the fill valve was also leaking. Rather than rep=
lace the whole valve I just replaced the seal on the top and now everything=
s good.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:56:15 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>At this point in my life, there are advantages to renting.
>Not being responsible for repairs is one of them.
Doesn't always work out that way. One of the wall plugs in my
apartment was wired in a two way switch configuration. It started
arcing for some reason so I took it out. Left a note for the super to
come and replace it. He couldn't figure out how to wire it in the two
way switch configuration so I had to do it myself. ~ not the first
time I've had to fix something myself. It's gotten to the point that
if I request something to be fixed, I have to be there and supervise
the proper way to do it.
On 14 Nov 2013 22:15:11 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 11/14/2013 3:53 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>
>>> Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>>
>> No way ... anything to do with plumbing is a minimum of two trips, the
>> actual number being directly proportional to the distance to the
>> hardware story. ;)
>>
>
>I've had pretty good luck with toilets. Usually the rebuild kits include
>all I need to do it without extra trips back to the store.
>
>I'm going to have to rebuild the guts of one of mine soon anyway. Hard
>water doesn't help things... neither does the lack of a proper vent.
>Unfortunately air admittance valves are considered "mechanical means" or
>something and not allowed under code around here.
It's never the commode that gets me. It's the broken pipe it was
attached to.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:53:12 -0800, Gramps' shop wrote:
> I suspect that the
> flap, which ought to last three or four lifetimes, has developed a
> wrinkle that keeps it from making a solid seal.
A lifetime? I wind up replacing ours about every 4-5 years. Hard water
doesn't help. Check to be sure it isn't deposits on the edge of the pipe
and not the flapper valve itself.
Good news is flappers are cheap and pretty standard.
--
This message was for rec.woodworking - if it appears in homeownershub
they ripped it off.
On 11/14/2013 5:15 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 11/14/2013 3:53 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>
>>> Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>>
>> No way ... anything to do with plumbing is a minimum of two trips, the
>> actual number being directly proportional to the distance to the
>> hardware story. ;)
>>
>
> I've had pretty good luck with toilets. Usually the rebuild kits include
> all I need to do it without extra trips back to the store.
>
> I'm going to have to rebuild the guts of one of mine soon anyway. Hard
> water doesn't help things... neither does the lack of a proper vent.
> Unfortunately air admittance valves are considered "mechanical means" or
> something and not allowed under code around here.
>
> Puckdropper
>
Know when to stop the repair process. Several years ago our toilet was
leaking. Friday night I stop at Lowes and picked up the kit. Saturday
morning I took the tank off and replaced the tower and the flapper
valve. I replaced the tank. I should have stopped at this point
but as I was cleaning up I realized I the kit included a new flush
lever. Seeing every thing in the tank was new, I decided the flush
valve should be replaced also.
This was a big mistake. In doing the simple operation of removing the
nut to remove the flush lever, I broke of the whole corner of the tank.
After another four trips, we finally had a new working toilet.
Things I learned in addition to knowing when to stop that if you have a
tile floor you will probably need a longer wax seal.
Lowes offer to give me a reserved parking place for my next home project ;-)
Gramps' shop wrote:
> Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs, one
> of our toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild. I suspect that
> the flap, which ought to last three or four lifetimes, has developed
> a wrinkle that keeps it from making a solid seal. Off to Ace with
> pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>
Can't be done. Not no how, not no way. It's at least three trips. That is
all...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Good Luck.
A one trip plumbing repair is pretty rare?
Hey, I have to go install a tub tomorrow in a rural area....w/plumber....
Should be interesting....
I have a plumber with me for "back-up"
john
"Gramps' shop" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs, one of our
toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild. I suspect that the flap,
which ought to last three or four lifetimes, has developed a wrinkle that
keeps it from making a solid seal. Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do
this in one trip.
Larry
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 5:15 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 11/14/2013 3:53 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>
>>>> Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>>>
>>> No way ... anything to do with plumbing is a minimum of two trips,
>>> the actual number being directly proportional to the distance to the
>>> hardware story. ;)
>>>
>>
>> I've had pretty good luck with toilets. Usually the rebuild kits
>> include all I need to do it without extra trips back to the store.
>>
>> I'm going to have to rebuild the guts of one of mine soon anyway. Hard
>> water doesn't help things... neither does the lack of a proper
>> vent. Unfortunately air admittance valves are considered "mechanical
>> means" or something and not allowed under code around here.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>>
>
> Know when to stop the repair process. Several years ago our toilet
> was leaking. Friday night I stop at Lowes and picked up the kit.
> Saturday morning I took the tank off and replaced the tower and the
> flapper valve. I replaced the tank. I should have stopped at this point
> but as I was cleaning up I realized I the kit included a new flush
> lever. Seeing every thing in the tank was new, I decided the flush
> valve should be replaced also.
>
> This was a big mistake. In doing the simple operation of removing the
> nut to remove the flush lever, I broke of the whole corner of the
> tank.
> After another four trips, we finally had a new working toilet.
>
> Things I learned in addition to knowing when to stop that if you have
> a tile floor you will probably need a longer wax seal.
>
> Lowes offer to give me a reserved parking place for my next home
> project ;-)
As it should be. Clearly if Puckdropper can do a plumbing job with one stop
at the hardware store, he is the very spawn of Satan, as plumbing is of the
devil himself. Pure evil I tell you...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
jloomis wrote:
> Good Luck.
> A one trip plumbing repair is pretty rare?
>
> Hey, I have to go install a tub tomorrow in a rural
> area....w/plumber.... Should be interesting....
> I have a plumber with me for "back-up"
> john
Save yourself the trouble John - just send the plumber by himself and you
just spend the day in bed. It will be a lot more rewarding for you.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Puckdropper wrote:
>
> I'm in no danger of losing my parking space. There's a leaky bathtub
> upstairs and I've got to figure out how to properly seal it. It's a
> clawfoot and leaking from the faucet assembly. Worse, one of the
> plastic nuts broke and it's apparently an odd-ball size (3/4") so the
> various stores don't carry it. Two stores suggested an electrical
> locknut, so I might give that a try.
>
Have you no duct tape man? Big gob of duct tape and a squeeze of epoxy to
seal it all and you're good to go.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
In article <[email protected]>,
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>It's only the toilets... There's really only four parts: Toilet, wax
>seal, fill valve, flush valve. Just keep one of everything except a
>spare toilet around, and you'll save the extra trip to the hardware
>store. ;-)
By stocking those in your inventory, you are almost guaranteeing that
the next time you replace the fill valve, you will break the supply line...
--
Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. (Albert Einstein)
Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
On 11/15/2013 4:57 PM, Larry W wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> <...snipped...>
>> It's only the toilets... There's really only four parts: Toilet, wax
>> seal, fill valve, flush valve. Just keep one of everything except a
>> spare toilet around, and you'll save the extra trip to the hardware
>> store. ;-)
>
> By stocking those in your inventory, you are almost guaranteeing that
> the next time you replace the fill valve, you will break the supply line...
>
>
Murphy always wins
Puckdropper wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Have you no duct tape man? Big gob of duct tape and a squeeze of
>> epoxy to seal it all and you're good to go.
>>
>
> I'm wondering if this might be a good excuse to buy a lathe... A
> metal turning one with all the accessories. I could make my own nut
> then. :-)
>
Now yer talkin'!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
[email protected] wrote:
>
> It's always east to be CAREFUL when you have someone else do the work.
Au contraire! It's always when you employ someone else that care just goes
out the window!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Swingman wrote:
> Larry W <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> By stocking those in your inventory, you are almost guaranteeing that
>> the next time you replace the fill valve, you will break the supply
>> line...
>
> Bingo! ALWAYS buy a new supply line, _on the first trip_.
>
> The plumbing Gods will insure that, after numerous trips to the
> hardware store, and you finally have everything else working
> perfectly, the supply line will suddenly leak where no leak went
> before ... back to the hardware store.
I caution all of you who feel you can thrwart the devil himself with mere
human wisdom and the folly of preparation. Hear my words and take them to
heart - this is of the very devil himself and no one born of the loins of
man will ever prevail over the devil and his work. It is written that the
mark of the beast - the very evidence of the spawn of Satan, is the one who
fixes plumbing with only one trip to the hardware.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Markem wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:26:55 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I caution all of you who feel you can thrwart the devil himself with
>> mere human wisdom and the folly of preparation. Hear my words and
>> take them to heart - this is of the very devil himself and no one
>> born of the loins of man will ever prevail over the devil and his
>> work. It is written that the mark of the beast - the very evidence
>> of the spawn of Satan, is the one who fixes plumbing with only one
>> trip to the hardware.
>
> Nope the devil is in the details, y'all seem to have some sort of
> thing agains't plumbing. Maybe it has to do with plumbers hacking up
> the pretty carpentry. So you try and do it yourselves, just pay the
> damn devil (plumber) and be done with it.
>
Scoff. ye heathan, but in the end, ye shall see... Verily, I tell you - it
is of the devil himself.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
>
>> Scoff. ye heathan, but in the end, ye shall see... Verily, I tell
>> you - it
>> is of the devil himself.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> "Markem" wrote:
>
>> I have two uncles and a nephew that make a good living taming that
>> devil, so I am versed in that black art beware sir.
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Requirements to be a plumber or a pipefitter:
>
> 1) Friday is payday.
> 2) Crap never flows uphill.
> 3) NEVER eat the yellow snow.
>
> And last but not least:
> 4) NEVER bite your finger nails.
>
Good, solid advise. I remain very concerned about Markem. He seems like a
good guy, but that devil thing is really concerning me. Gonna keep my eye
on him...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Markem wrote:
>
> I have two uncles and a nephew that make a good living taming that
> devil, so I am versed in that black art beware sir.
>
Perhaps... but not all are as capable to deal with these evil things. I
hold fast in my warnings to all of my friends - do not let this evil thing
overtake you. I have exhausted myself in my message to all who hold to the
great and worthwile things of woodworking. Alas - I must let those who
chose to dance with the devil, do so.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:06:50 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Markem wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:26:55 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I caution all of you who feel you can thrwart the devil himself with
>>> mere human wisdom and the folly of preparation. Hear my words and
>>> take them to heart - this is of the very devil himself and no one
>>> born of the loins of man will ever prevail over the devil and his
>>> work. It is written that the mark of the beast - the very evidence
>>> of the spawn of Satan, is the one who fixes plumbing with only one
>>> trip to the hardware.
>>
>> Nope the devil is in the details, y'all seem to have some sort of
>> thing agains't plumbing. Maybe it has to do with plumbers hacking up
>> the pretty carpentry. So you try and do it yourselves, just pay the
>> damn devil (plumber) and be done with it.
>>
>
>Scoff. ye heathan, but in the end, ye shall see... Verily, I tell you - it
>is of the devil himself.
I have two uncles and a nephew that make a good living taming that
devil, so I am versed in that black art beware sir.
Mark
On 11/14/2013 3:53 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Apropos the recent discussion on the hazards of plumbing repairs, one of our toilets is calling out for a partial rebuild. I suspect that the flap, which ought to last three or four lifetimes, has developed a wrinkle that keeps it from making a solid seal. Off to Ace with pix and hoping to do this in one trip.
>
> Larry
>
If the flapper is black be careful as those tend to sluf off black stuff
that gets all over everything.
Is it actually leaking? Do yo hear water refilling? Water refilling
periodically is not always a leaking flapper, it can also be caused by
water siphoning out through the fill tube if the hose going to the fill
tube is submerged. In that case pull that hose out of the water in the
fill tube.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:01:02 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Leon" wrote:
>
>
>> If the flapper is black be careful as those tend to sluf off black
>> stuff that gets all over everything.
>------------------------------------------------
>It has been my experience the above is a sure sign of a time to
>replace.
>
>And yes that black crap gets over everything if you are not very
>CAREFUL.
It's always east to be CAREFUL when you have someone else do the work.
>