the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material
they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop
if they do how do they fit in
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:17:32 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>>to cut wider material
>
>Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
>
>You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
>
>You can't rip with a CMS.
>
>You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
There is a ton of things you cannot do with a slider. Not the least of
which is to use it as a sander, or buffer.
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:04:33 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>>If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
>>>is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.
>>
>> Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
>> makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
>> RAS. A slider is even worse.
>
>We talking about push instead of pull? If so, the work piece isn't being
>held firmly by the fence. Instead, the blade is trying to pick up the front
>edge; if it does, things could get nasty. Better to mitigate any tendency
>of the blade to climb by using a blade with a low rake.
>
use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
slider saw does.
I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
throw wood under the right circumstances.
As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
saw perhaps.
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:26:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
>>> will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
>>> likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
>>
>> You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
>> reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
>> your hands into the sharp stuff, either.
>>
>
>They take their share of fingers though
>https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/AccidentSearch.search?acc_keyword=%22Bandsaw%22&keyword_list=on
Well the hint there is "Don't cut meat" on a bandsaw.
I wonder how much of that was due to cutting frozen meat.
On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
>> any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
>> slider saw does.
>>
>> I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
>> throw wood under the right circumstances.
>>
>> As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
>> saw perhaps.
>>
>
>The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
>will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
>likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
>
>Puckdropper
True enough.
On 8/10/2016 7:09 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> You need to buy (or at least borrow) one or the other depends on the
> type of task you'd need. Both works differently. Table saws work
> perfectly when cutting huge pieces of wood especially plywood but if
> you need to have angled cuts, the RAS works better. Maybe it will do
> you good to read something like the link below to fully understand,
> too.
>
> http://woodworkingtoolkit.com/radial-arm-saw-vs-table-saw/
>
Cutting miters on a TS is no problem at all for the experienced and with
a decent miter gauge. I have no problem cutting miters at all with my
TS and Incra miter gauge.
And with a sled, like the Dubby, miters on a TS are easy even for a novice.
On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
>> be the ability to cut wider material
>
> Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
> You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
> You can't rip with a CMS.
> You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
>
You can do all those things with a table saw.
OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
> any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
> slider saw does.
>
> I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
> throw wood under the right circumstances.
>
> As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
> saw perhaps.
>
The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
Puckdropper
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
>>will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
>>likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
>
> You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
> reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
> your hands into the sharp stuff, either.
I've sawn several logs that have been comprised of hard and soft spots.
You push at a pressure level appropriate to keep the feed going through the
hard stuff, and when you get to the soft stuff it just flies. By the time
you react, the wood is 2-3" further than when you said "ooh!" and went to
adjust.
While the saw isn't pulling your hands in, they are heading towards the
danger zone and suddenly accelerating can be just like being pulled in.
Puckdropper
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:26:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
>>> will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
>>> likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
>>
>> You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
>> reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
>> your hands into the sharp stuff, either.
>>
>
>They take their share of fingers though
>https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/AccidentSearch.search?acc_keyword=%22Bandsaw%22&keyword_list=on
A *lot* of the amputations are by meat cutters. They operate the
tools a little differently than woodworkers. The lacerations aren't
such a bid deal. The only time I did a number on myself with my table
saw, it was off. OTOH, surprisingly, there are a lot more than table
saws, presumably because there are so many more (meat cutting)
bandsaws in operation.
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:04:33 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>>If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
>>>is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.
>>
>> Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
>> makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
>> RAS. A slider is even worse.
>
>We talking about push instead of pull? If so, the work piece isn't being
>held firmly by the fence. Instead, the blade is trying to pick up the front
>edge; if it does, things could get nasty. Better to mitigate any tendency
>of the blade to climb by using a blade with a low rake.
>
Yes, the blade is trying to lift the board but it's still pushing
against the fence. A climbing blade isn't exactly a fun time, either.
These are the reasons I haven't used my RAS in over 20 years. I have
a table saw, so I don't miss it.
On 7/19/2016 11:07 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/19/16 8:19 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>> On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>>>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS.
>>>>>>>> I do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the
>>>>>>>> rip fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish
>>>>>>>> than with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a
>>>>>>>> dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have
>>>>>> a 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long
>>>>>> panel is no issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
>>>>> dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a
>>>>> tablesaw, particularly if one is space-constrained. Much
>>>>> easier to simply slide it along on the RAS extensions (which
>>>>> double as workbench surface).
>>>>>
>>>> If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room
>>>> to support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how,
>>>> if you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to
>>>> slide it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a
>>> saw across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that
>>> piece of plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never
>>> done either.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well actually regardless if you are using a TS or a RAS you are
>> moving the work either on top of or under a blade. Having used both
>> for years, starting with a RAS, I naturally migrated to do all
>> cutting on a TS. I kept the RAS until I upgraded to a saw with 48"+
>> rip capacity, I even quit using my CMS after that.
>
> The whole point is that you're *not* moving the work during the cut with
> a RAS, you're moving the saw. All things equal, it's much easier to
> move the saw on a RAS than to move an 8'x16" piece of plywood, sideways,
> on s TS.
True, but with proper set up, cutting that on a TS repeatedly might be
faster on a TS. You do have to be more careful but my wife and I do
dado cuts on wide panels on the TS with just about every job I do. And
I hardly give her any instructions except to push on the end of the
panel to insure constant square contact with the fence.
Doing with only one person would absolutely put me in the RAS camp but
my previous RAS could not do dado's as long as what I do with my TS.
> This concept is proven by the growing popularity of track saws, no?
>
>
I think we were talking dado's on long panels, probably not possible
with a track saw. ;~)
John McCoy <[email protected]> writes:
>Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nn6jpi$oio$2
>@dont-email.me:
>
>> i had never even heard of plowing in woodwork context so that is a new
>> term for me
>
>It's usually spelled "ploughing" in this context, and
>now-a-days is usually only used when referring to cutting
>a groove with a handplane (which, predictably, is called a
>"plough plane").
>
Like my trusty Stanley #46, which can plow dadoes[*] in addition
to grooves. <http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan7.htm>
[*] Using knickers to prevent tearout.
Or these, which come in both right-hand and left-hand versions:
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=74089&cat=1,230,41182
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 7/18/2016 9:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>>> On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
>>>>> be the ability to cut wider material
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
>>>> You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
>>>> You can't rip with a CMS.
>>>> You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
>>>>
>>> You can do all those things with a table saw.
>>>
>>
>> So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.
>>
>> In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
>> than the TS.
>>
>
>Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
>the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
>precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
>its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
On 7/19/2016 1:12 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>> I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
>>> plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
>>> of an 8ft board.
>>
>> My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.
>>
>
> You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
> something.
> In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
> to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
> of a good woodworker. :-)
>
>
Precisely! ;~)
On 7/19/2016 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>> I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of plywood
>> hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end of an 8ft
>> board.
>
> My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.
>
>
Or support the long panel with a "same thickness as sled" strip of wood.
I cut 8' lengths of 1x8 lumber with my sled and often 6' hangs past the
right side of the sled. I simply put a narrow strip under the panel/on
top of the extension table, to hole it up.
On 7/18/2016 9:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
>>>> be the ability to cut wider material
>>>
>>> Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
>>> You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
>>> You can't rip with a CMS.
>>> You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
>>>
>> You can do all those things with a table saw.
>>
>
> So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.
>
> In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
> than the TS.
>
Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
Dado's on narrow panels with a miter gauge is also pretty easy using the
rip fence as a repeatable stop.
On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
>>>>>> do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
>>>>>> fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
>>>>>> with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
>>>>>> 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
>>>> 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
>>>> no issue.
>>>
>>> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
>>> dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
>>> particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
>>> slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
>>> surface).
>>>
>> If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
>> support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if
>> you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide
>> it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.
>
> I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a saw
> across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that piece of
> plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never done either.
>
I have actually done both. That kind of "cross" moving on a table saw
is easy with a simple sled. I had a RAS and got rid of it, and have
never regretted doing it.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:26:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
> >>> will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
> >>> likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
> >>
> >> You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
> >> reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
> >> your hands into the sharp stuff, either.
> >>
> >
> >They take their share of fingers though
> >https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/AccidentSearch.search?acc_keyword=%22Bandsaw%22&keyword_list=on
>
> Well the hint there is "Don't cut meat" on a bandsaw.
> I wonder how much of that was due to cutting frozen meat.
If you read the first one, he wasn't even cutting anything--some kind of
powered vise on the saw crushed his finger. That's something you have
to be careful about with such reports--they don't quite report what you
think they report.
On 7/19/2016 1:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
>>>> plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
>>>> of an 8ft board.
>>>
>>> My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.
>>>
>>
>> You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
>> something.
>> In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
>> to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
>> of a good woodworker. :-)
>>
>
> yep, and crosscutting a 96" board on a tablesaw, even with a sled, makes
> me nervous][*]. In my Dad's shop[**], I'll use the RAS. In my shop[***], I'll use
> a router to cut the dadoes. We both have cabinet saws, but neither of us
> have sufficient space on either side of the TS to crosscut dadoes with a sled
> on long stock.
>
> [*] too easy to cock it a bit and screw up the dado.
> [**] Basement
> [***] Garage
>
I am going to add that when I cut long dado's across long panels, on my
TS, I use a helper to insure that the panel stays against the fence.
Do this a few hundred times and you get pretty accustomed to performing
that cut.
With out a helper I would agree that the RAS would be easier for some
dado's.
-MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>> I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
>>> plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
>>> of an 8ft board.
>>
>> My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.
>>
>
>You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
>something.
>In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
>to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
>of a good woodworker. :-)
>
yep, and crosscutting a 96" board on a tablesaw, even with a sled, makes
me nervous][*]. In my Dad's shop[**], I'll use the RAS. In my shop[***], I'll use
a router to cut the dadoes. We both have cabinet saws, but neither of us
have sufficient space on either side of the TS to crosscut dadoes with a sled
on long stock.
[*] too easy to cock it a bit and screw up the dado.
[**] Basement
[***] Garage
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nn6jpi$oio$2
@dont-email.me:
> i had never even heard of plowing in woodwork context so that is a new
> term for me
It's usually spelled "ploughing" in this context, and
now-a-days is usually only used when referring to cutting
a groove with a handplane (which, predictably, is called a
"plough plane").
John
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:21:15 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
>>>> the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
>>>> precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
>>>> its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>
>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>
>>
>>
>>Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
>>capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.
>
>We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
>on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
>if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
>RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).
I'd rather use a router but that's just me.
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 3:36:55 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
> to cut wider material
>
> they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
> more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
>
> would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
> place in the woodshop
>
> if they do how do they fit in
Hard to cut steel plates on a CMS. Not so hard on a RAS.
Multiple shallow cuts, lowering the blade each time.
BTDT...many times.
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 5:19:16 PM UTC-7, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
> > You can't rip with a CMS.
> > You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
> You can do all those things with a table saw.
With the right attachments, a radial arm saw can do planing and
act as horizontal borer, neither of which is a table saw capability,
As a one-man crosscut saw, the RAS can be replaced
with cheap (and light) miter saws, but not easily by a table saw.
On 7/18/2016 12:21 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
>>>> the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
>>>> precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
>>>> its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>
>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
>> capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.
>
> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
> on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
> if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
> RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).
>
Not a problem at all, I was not wanting to get in to which is better
debate and I am glad that it did not go there. But as some of my
pictures showed, 24" long dado's would be pretty tough on most RAS's.
FWIW that 50+" to the right of the blade doubles as a workbench surface
for me. ;~)
On 17 Jul 2016 20:28:39 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
>>>will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
>>>likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
>>
>> You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
>> reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
>> your hands into the sharp stuff, either.
>
>I've sawn several logs that have been comprised of hard and soft spots.
>You push at a pressure level appropriate to keep the feed going through the
>hard stuff, and when you get to the soft stuff it just flies. By the time
>you react, the wood is 2-3" further than when you said "ooh!" and went to
>adjust.
Good point but I'd think an alarm should go off in your head when it
doesn't feed evenly.
>
>While the saw isn't pulling your hands in, they are heading towards the
>danger zone and suddenly accelerating can be just like being pulled in.
I've had that happen on a RAS, ripping bowed wood (rubbing against the
guard "nose"). The abnormal resistance is a warning.
You need to buy (or at least borrow) one or the other depends on the type o=
f task you'd need. Both works differently. Table saws work perfectly when c=
utting huge pieces of wood especially plywood but if you need to have angle=
d cuts, the RAS works better. Maybe it will do you good to read something l=
ike the link below to fully understand, too.
http://woodworkingtoolkit.com/radial-arm-saw-vs-table-saw/
On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
>> any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
>> slider saw does.
>>
>> I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
>> throw wood under the right circumstances.
>>
>> As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
>> saw perhaps.
>>
>
>The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
>will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
>likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>to cut wider material
Can you rip on your CMS?
>they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
>more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
Huh?
>would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
>place in the woodshop
I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
together).
>if they do how do they fit in
They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
tear out).
The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
scary.
Cheap RASs (including all Crapsman) also aren't really stout enough,
though. The arms flex.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>
>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
>>> the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
>>> precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
>>> its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>
>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>
>
>
>Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
>capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>>to cut wider material
>
>Can you rip on your CMS?
>
>>they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
>>more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
>
>Huh?
>
>>would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
>>place in the woodshop
>
>I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
>together).
>
>>if they do how do they fit in
>
>They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
>dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
>than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
>dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
>cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
>tear out).
>
>The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
>mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
>scary.
>
If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.
>Cheap RASs (including all Crapsman) also aren't really stout enough,
>though. The arms flex.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>>>to cut wider material
>>
>>Can you rip on your CMS?
>>
>>>they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
>>>more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
>>
>>Huh?
>>
>>>would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
>>>place in the woodshop
>>
>>I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
>>together).
>>
>>>if they do how do they fit in
>>
>>They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
>>dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
>>than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
>>dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
>>cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
>>tear out).
>>
>>The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
>>mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
>>scary.
>>
>
>If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
>is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.
Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
RAS. A slider is even worse.
>>Cheap RASs (including all Crapsman) also aren't really stout enough,
>>though. The arms flex.
On 7/16/2016 10:39 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>>>> to cut wider material
>>>
>>> Can you rip on your CMS?
>>>
>>>> they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
>>>> more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>>> would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
>>>> place in the woodshop
>>>
>>> I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
>>> together).
>>>
>>>> if they do how do they fit in
>>>
>>> They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
>>> dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
>>> than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
>>> dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
>>> cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
>>> tear out).
>>>
>>> The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
>>> mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
>>> scary.
>>>
>>
>> If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
>> is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.
>
> Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
> makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
> RAS. A slider is even worse.
>
The trade off might be more tear out on the top side of the cut.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:00:42 -0500
Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
> The radial arm saw can also rip. A miter saw, slider or not, can not.
> Also, when not in use the radial arm saw provides more
> storage/assembly area.
forgot they can rip and that is a big difference
but i am not sure if that is a big enough selling point for potential
purchasers
i have never ripped on a radial arm saw but i guess in a pinch it is
a useful feature but i would not make it my go to method for ripping
of course you could rip thicker material than a skil saw
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
>>is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.
>
> Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
> makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
> RAS. A slider is even worse.
We talking about push instead of pull? If so, the work piece isn't being
held firmly by the fence. Instead, the blade is trying to pick up the front
edge; if it does, things could get nasty. Better to mitigate any tendency
of the blade to climb by using a blade with a low rake.
On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
>>>>> do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
>>>>> fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
>>>>> with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
>>>>> 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>>
>>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>
>>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
>>> 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
>>> no issue.
>>
>> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
>> dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
>> particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
>> slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
>> surface).
>>
> If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
> support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if
> you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide
> it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.
I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a saw
across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that piece of
plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never done either.
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On 7/18/16 8:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:21:15 GMT, [email protected] (Scott
> Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
>>>>> do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
>>>>> fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
>>>>> with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
>>>>> 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>>
>>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
>>> 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
>>> no issue.
>>
>> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
>> dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
>> particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
>> slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
>> surface).
>
> I'd rather use a router but that's just me.
>
For that particular operation, I would probably go to my router and my
dado jig.
I would have it done in the time it took me to put the dado stack on my
RAS and set the height properly. However, if I had a bunch to do, I
might go with the RAS for the horsepower and better dust collection,
plus i could set up some stops for repeated cuts.
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On 7/19/16 1:55 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS.
>>>>>>> I do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the
>>>>>>> rip fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish
>>>>>>> than with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a
>>>>>>> dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have
>>>>> a 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long
>>>>> panel is no issue.
>>>>
>>>> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
>>>> dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a
>>>> tablesaw, particularly if one is space-constrained. Much
>>>> easier to simply slide it along on the RAS extensions (which
>>>> double as workbench surface).
>>>>
>>> If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room
>>> to support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how,
>>> if you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to
>>> slide it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a
>> saw across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that
>> piece of plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never
>> done either.
>>
> I have actually done both. That kind of "cross" moving on a table
> saw is easy with a simple sled. I had a RAS and got rid of it, and
> have never regretted doing it.
>
I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of plywood
hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end of an 8ft
board. My RAS is built into the workbench that run lengthwise in the
shop and easily supports 10 or 12 feet in both directions of whatever
I'm crosscutting.
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On 7/19/16 8:19 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS.
>>>>>>> I do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the
>>>>>>> rip fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish
>>>>>>> than with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a
>>>>>>> dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have
>>>>> a 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long
>>>>> panel is no issue.
>>>>
>>>> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
>>>> dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a
>>>> tablesaw, particularly if one is space-constrained. Much
>>>> easier to simply slide it along on the RAS extensions (which
>>>> double as workbench surface).
>>>>
>>> If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room
>>> to support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how,
>>> if you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to
>>> slide it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a
>> saw across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that
>> piece of plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never
>> done either.
>>
>>
>
> Well actually regardless if you are using a TS or a RAS you are
> moving the work either on top of or under a blade. Having used both
> for years, starting with a RAS, I naturally migrated to do all
> cutting on a TS. I kept the RAS until I upgraded to a saw with 48"+
> rip capacity, I even quit using my CMS after that.
The whole point is that you're *not* moving the work during the cut with
a RAS, you're moving the saw. All things equal, it's much easier to
move the saw on a RAS than to move an 8'x16" piece of plywood, sideways,
on s TS.
This concept is proven by the growing popularity of track saws, no?
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
> I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of plywood
> hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end of an 8ft
> board.
My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.
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carrying a cross.
On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>> I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
>> plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
>> of an 8ft board.
>
> My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.
>
You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
something.
In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
of a good woodworker. :-)
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:00:42 -0500
Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
> The radial arm saw can also rip. A miter saw, slider or not, can not.
in the war department manual i linked to there are pictures of an old
dewalt radial arm saw and it looks like they attached a router bit to
it and used it sort of like a shaper
they also show it being used for ripping and plowing
i had never even heard of plowing in woodwork context so that is a new
term for me
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>to cut wider material
>
>they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
>more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
>
>would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
>place in the woodshop
>
>if they do how do they fit in
The radial arm saw can also rip. A miter saw, slider or not, can not.
Also, when not in use the radial arm saw provides more storage/assembly area.
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:13:57 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/16/2016 10:39 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>>>>> to cut wider material
>>>>
>>>> Can you rip on your CMS?
>>>>
>>>>> they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
>>>>> more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>>
>>>>> would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
>>>>> place in the woodshop
>>>>
>>>> I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
>>>> together).
>>>>
>>>>> if they do how do they fit in
>>>>
>>>> They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
>>>> dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
>>>> than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
>>>> dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
>>>> cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
>>>> tear out).
>>>>
>>>> The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
>>>> mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
>>>> scary.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
>>> is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.
>>
>> Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
>> makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
>> RAS. A slider is even worse.
>>
>The trade off might be more tear out on the top side of the cut.
I skim the surface on the way out, and lower on the way in. Easier to
do on a slider since you don't have to crank it down.
But on wood cuts that don't matter I just make a cut going in.
On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
>>>> the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
>>>> precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
>>>> its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>
>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>
>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
>> capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.
>
> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
> on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
> if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
> RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).
>
If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if you're
sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide it on a RAS
table than on a table saw table.
On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
>> will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
>> likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.
>
> You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
> reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
> your hands into the sharp stuff, either.
>
They take their share of fingers though
https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/AccidentSearch.search?acc_keyword=%22Bandsaw%22&keyword_list=on
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:58:33 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>>On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
>>>> be the ability to cut wider material
>>>
>>> Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
>>> You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
>>> You can't rip with a CMS.
>>> You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
>>>
>>You can do all those things with a table saw.
>>
>
>So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.
>
>In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
>than the TS.
My choice would be a router
On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>> On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
>>>>>> do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
>>>>>> fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
>>>>>> with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
>>>>>> 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
>>>> 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
>>>> no issue.
>>>
>>> We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
>>> dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
>>> particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
>>> slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
>>> surface).
>>>
>> If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
>> support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if
>> you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide
>> it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.
>
> I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a saw
> across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that piece of
> plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never done either.
>
>
Well actually regardless if you are using a TS or a RAS you are moving
the work either on top of or under a blade. Having used both for years,
starting with a RAS, I naturally migrated to do all cutting on a TS. I
kept the RAS until I upgraded to a saw with 48"+ rip capacity, I even
quit using my CMS after that.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:20:21 -0600, Just Wondering
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
>>> be the ability to cut wider material
>>
>> Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
>> You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
>> You can't rip with a CMS.
>> You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
>>
>You can do all those things with a table saw.
The only big advantage of the RAS is its required floor space. They
can be stuck up against a wall, which *really* limits the utility of a
table saw.
Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
>>> be the ability to cut wider material
>>
>> Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
>> You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
>> You can't rip with a CMS.
>> You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
>>
>You can do all those things with a table saw.
>
So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.
In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
than the TS.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
>to cut wider material
Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 7/18/2016 9:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>> the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
>>>>>> be the ability to cut wider material
>>>>>
>>>>> Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
>>>>> You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
>>>>> You can't rip with a CMS.
>>>>> You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.
>>>>>
>>>> You can do all those things with a table saw.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.
>>>
>>> In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
>>> than the TS.
>>>
>>
>> Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
>> the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
>> precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
>> its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
>
> Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).
>
Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.
Take a look here.
This was approximately 94" long with 3 dado's on each long panel.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/25716109020/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/25445144394/in/dateposted-public/
This was approximately 8' wide with a dado dead center and near the ends
on the bottom and top panel, 24" deep.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/26176815890/in/dateposted-public/
And this was right at 8' wide with dado's for the dividers between the
side cabinets and the center. Never mind the French model in the
picture. :!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8539981330/in/dateposted-public/
Actually I build a lot of cabinets with front and back face frames. All
plywood panels lock together with dado's and groves and dado's in the
mating sides of the front and back face frames have to also align with
all of those panels. So accuracy is very important for the x,y,z
components and dado's/groves to all come together at the same time.