My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
How much would it cost?
Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room table?
The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval ends.
Maybe five or eight feet long?
(What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:27:11 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/9/2012 10:01 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
>> it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
>> included:
>
>Thank you for not cross-posting, along with the old time wRec'ers, Leon
>and C_Less.
WTF are you ragging about now, Karl?
--
A human being must have occupation if he or
she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
We need to find -jobs- for our CONgresscritters!
-- Larry Jaques
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:15:28 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:27:11 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/9/2012 10:01 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
>>>> it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
>>>> included:
>>>
>>> Thank you for not cross-posting, along with the old time wRec'ers, Leon
>>> and C_Less.
>>
>> WTF are you ragging about now, Karl?
>
>Thanking for not cross posting. If you have a problem with that, kiss my
>ass.
I thought you'd found yet another thing to criticize me about. After
finding out how you feel about me a few weeks ago, you can kiss my
ass. I'd just as soon not hear anything from you again. Feel free to
filter me, too.
--
A human being must have occupation if he or
she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
We need to find -jobs- for our CONgresscritters!
-- Larry Jaques
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:27:11 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2012 10:01 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
>>> it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
>>> included:
>>
>> Thank you for not cross-posting, along with the old time wRec'ers, Leon
>> and C_Less.
>
> WTF are you ragging about now, Karl?
Thanking for not cross posting. If you have a problem with that, kiss my
ass.
--
www.ewoodshop.com
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:06:46 -0500, Norminn <[email protected]>
>If I was undertaking such a plan, I'd go for constructing the pedestal
>first (since I like round pedestal bases with hidden supports for when
>the table has leaves added). Then the apron and slider mechanism. Any
>fool can cut a circle :o) I would definitely get a look at what is in
>good furniture stores for familiarity, find good instructions and check
>with the instructor before proceeding.
Basically what I did when I built my outdoor cedar trestle table. Base
first and then the top was easy.
Swingman has (or had) a dining room trestle table that he built
several years ago and I modeled my garden table after it.
Having the experience building that, it wouldn't be too much of a
stretch to build a hardwood indoor table in a similar vein.
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:00:47 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/10/2012 11:52 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Criticizing poly finishes is not calling someone a google-fed airhead,
>> asshole. Go fuck yourself.
>>
>> --
>> A human being must have occupation if he or
>> she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
>> -- Dorothy L. Sayers
>
>Thank gawd for tagline generators, eh Larry ... otherwise meaningful
>content would once again be nonexistent.
Further proof that you don't know a thing about me. I collect those
signature quotes from things I read and from online quotations pages.
I feel sorry for you Cajun-Americans.
Thus ends any dialog between us.
--
There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is
a good American. The only man who is a good American is
the man who is an American and nothing else. We are a
nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We
are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house.
--Theodore Roosevelt
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:52:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 12/10/2012 9:22 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2012 8:04 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:01:09 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping
>>>>> you do it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385,
>>>>> materials included:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.northwestlumberco.com/woodclass.htm
>>>>
>>>> I think he might mean this type table, rather than a dining set,
>>>> Bill.
>>>> http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/13588646_small-shaker-style-side-table
>>>
>>> Yes, I was just trying to make a point (with my example). You
>>> (obviously) provided the OP with good advice.
>>
>> Good advice in a general sense perhaps, but Larry didn't bother to read what
>> the OP had posted about the table he wishes to build. The original included
>> information was for a table not the least bit like what Larry suggested.
>> But - that's Larry...
>>
>
>Yeah, I was wondering what part of the title led Larry astray.
He = the northwest guy, not the OP. What led you guys astray?
--
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she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
We need to find -jobs- for our CONgresscritters!
-- Larry Jaques
William Don**ly wrote:
>
>> Here is the class description:
>>
>> Woodworking Techniques 101:
>> This comprehensive 12-session class is a complete course in
>> woodworking
>> techniques.
>> Each 3-hour class covers basic and fundamental woodworking concepts
>> for both
>> the new woodworker & advanced techniques for the experienced
>> craftsman.
>> Lumber may be purchased from the instructor or brought by the
>> student
>> but only new lumber may be used on the school machinery.
>> Each student must choose a project by the third week.
>> Project grading will be based on safety, simplicity, form, and
>> finish.
>> A $25 charge for materials is payable to the instructor at the
>> first meeting.
-------------------------------------------------------------
"Swingman" wrote:
>
> Go for it ...
--------------------------------------------------------------
It's like chicken soup.
No medicinal value, but hadn't oughta hurt.
Take it, you'll have fun.
Lew
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:01:09 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>William Don**ly wrote:
>> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
>> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>>
>> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
What is your woodworking background, William? If you have some
experience, the answer would be maybe, but only if the instructor
would allow it. Do ask first. Some classes revolve around a single
project, others around multiple projects of varying complexity for
each student. The instructor might make another class available for
your table and have some the other students make chairs for it, who
knows? Talk with the instructor (but don't let him bully you into
staining a lighter wood. ;)
>I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
>it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
>included:
>
>http://www.northwestlumberco.com/woodclass.htm
I think he might mean this type table, rather than a dining set, Bill.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/13588646_small-shaker-style-side-table
>> How much would it cost?
>>
>> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>>
>> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
>> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room table?
Bless you for avoiding stain. Dark wood with a clearcoat are a
wonderful pair. Ask to see woods at your nearest hardwood lumber
yard. They can steer you to a good wood at a bearable price. Some of
the teak replacements are beautiful. My favorite finish is Waterlox
Original, in satin.
>> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval ends.
>> Maybe five or eight feet long?
>> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
How about 45 x 72 x 29" tall? Spacious enough for 6, comfy for 4.
Anything wider is harder to reach across, especially for smaller
women.
--
A human being must have occupation if he or
she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
We need to find -jobs- for our CONgresscritters!
-- Larry Jaques
On Dec 9, 10:07=A0pm, William Don**ly <[email protected]> wrote:
> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offer=
ing
> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
> How much would it cost?
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room =
table?
>
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval =
ends.
> Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
no doubt you coud pick up a cheap one for little money at a scondhand
store like goodwill......
making furniture is more about making something you can be proud of
than making something cheap.
and just about any wood can be stained for whatever color you want..
if 12 weeks isnt enough, just spread it over 2 class groups
12 weeks plus 12 weeks.
years ago i got into reaupolstering furniture, with no sewing skills
or heavy duty sewing machine i took the class multiple times and redid
lots of furniture. ended up helping as a assistant teacher by the time
i ran out of stuff to redo
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:10:20 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/10/2012 6:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> I thought you'd found yet another thing to criticize me about.
>
>And that coming from the #1 critic of any other finish but that which
>you deem suitable to your taste?
>
>... go figure.
Criticizing poly finishes is not calling someone a google-fed airhead,
asshole. Go fuck yourself.
--
A human being must have occupation if he or
she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
We need to find -jobs- for our CONgresscritters!
-- Larry Jaques
On 12/11/2012 12:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:00:47 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/2012 11:52 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> Criticizing poly finishes is not calling someone a google-fed airhead,
>>> asshole. Go fuck yourself.
>>>
>>> --
>>> A human being must have occupation if he or
>>> she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
>>> -- Dorothy L. Sayers
>>
>> Thank gawd for tagline generators, eh Larry ... otherwise meaningful
>> content would once again be nonexistent.
>
> Further proof that you don't know a thing about me. I collect those
> signature quotes from things I read and from online quotations pages.
>
> I feel sorry for you Cajun-Americans.
>
> Thus ends any dialog between us.
>
>
> --
> There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is
> a good American. The only man who is a good American is
> the man who is an American and nothing else. We are a
> nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We
> are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house.
> --Theodore Roosevelt
>
Actually I think Swingman was paying you a complement on your tag
lines....you know, the part of your posts that makes sense.
On 12/9/2012 9:07 PM, William Don**ly wrote:
> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
> How much would it cost?
Probably not unless the classes are all day long, then "maybe" it would
be feasible if you know exactly what order to do things and there is no
learning curve to operate the equipment.
This is why good quality furniture is not cheap.
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room table?
Probably least expensive, walnut but relatively soft compared to oak.
White Oak would give you a medium brown color and less likely to dent
than walnut.
>
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval ends.
> Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
>
Go to a local furniture store and pick the size you like.
On 12/9/2012 10:01 PM, Bill wrote:
> William Don**ly wrote:
>> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session,
>> offering
>> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>>
>> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
>
> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
> it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
> included:
>
> http://www.northwestlumberco.com/woodclass.htm
In one day ONLY if the instructor is going to help you build an IKEA
dining room table. From scratch, not a chance.
>
>
>
>> How much would it cost?
>>
>> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>>
>> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
>> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining
>> room table?
>>
>> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with
>> oval ends.
>> Maybe five or eight feet long?
>> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
>>
>
On 12/9/2012 10:07 PM, William Don**ly wrote:
> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
> How much would it cost?
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room table?
>
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval ends.
> Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
>
Wow! If you have a really good plan, a good instructor and adequate
tools, it could be done (IMO). A round table with leaves is my
favorite, and I'm shopping for one now. I had an antique 54" that once
had leaves but I didn't have leaves. It seated six easily but we often
seated eight...it was our only table and was in the large kitchen.
Although it was veneer, it took a beating and I just refinished the top
when it showed too much wear (baking, crafts, rolling out countless
batches of PlaDoh, etc). Round tables with pedestal allow for more
flexible seating because there are no legs to get in the way. A 48"
table might fit better if not in a really spacious home....you can
design in enough leaves to seat 20 if you want...the Amish make them
that way :o)
If I was undertaking such a plan, I'd go for constructing the pedestal
first (since I like round pedestal bases with hidden supports for when
the table has leaves added). Then the apron and slider mechanism. Any
fool can cut a circle :o) I would definitely get a look at what is in
good furniture stores for familiarity, find good instructions and check
with the instructor before proceeding. Let us know :o)
Some tables have painted bases and clear finish on tops, which would
likely allow for using softer woods for the shaping. Oak is hard.
We recently purchased a bedroom set made in Amish country; brown maple,
whatever version of maple that is. I tried to pound a nail into
birdseye maple once....HARD! This furniture is incredibly heavy and
sooooo nicely made...the tongue and groove joints are just as pretty and
finely made as the outer parts.
On 12/10/2012 9:22 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> On 12/10/2012 8:04 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:01:09 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping
>>>> you do it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385,
>>>> materials included:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.northwestlumberco.com/woodclass.htm
>>>
>>> I think he might mean this type table, rather than a dining set,
>>> Bill.
>>> http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/13588646_small-shaker-style-side-table
>>
>> Yes, I was just trying to make a point (with my example). You
>> (obviously) provided the OP with good advice.
>
> Good advice in a general sense perhaps, but Larry didn't bother to read what
> the OP had posted about the table he wishes to build. The original included
> information was for a table not the least bit like what Larry suggested.
> But - that's Larry...
>
Yeah, I was wondering what part of the title led Larry astray.
On 12/10/2012 12:09 PM, William Don**ly wrote:
> Here is the class description:
>
> Woodworking Techniques 101:
> This comprehensive 12-session class is a complete course in woodworking
> techniques.
> Each 3-hour class covers basic and fundamental woodworking concepts for both
> the new woodworker & advanced techniques for the experienced craftsman.
> Lumber may be purchased from the instructor or brought by the student
> but only new lumber may be used on the school machinery.
> Each student must choose a project by the third week.
> Project grading will be based on safety, simplicity, form, and finish.
> A $25 charge for materials is payable to the instructor at the first meeting.
Go for it ...
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 12/11/2012 12:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:00:47 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/2012 11:52 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> Criticizing poly finishes is not calling someone a google-fed airhead,
>>> asshole. Go fuck yourself.
>>>
>>> --
>>> A human being must have occupation if he or
>>> she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
>>> -- Dorothy L. Sayers
>>
>> Thank gawd for tagline generators, eh Larry ... otherwise meaningful
>> content would once again be nonexistent.
>
> Further proof that you don't know a thing about me. I collect those
> signature quotes from things I read and from online quotations pages.
Much better than original thought, eh?
> I feel sorry for you Cajun-Americans.
>
> Thus ends any dialog between us.
Your loss ...
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 12/10/2012 6:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> I thought you'd found yet another thing to criticize me about.
And that coming from the #1 critic of any other finish but that which
you deem suitable to your taste?
... go figure.
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On Dec 9, 10:07=A0pm, William Don**ly <[email protected]> wrote:
> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offer=
ing
> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
> How much would it cost?
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room =
table?
What finish? Walnut's lovely, but open grained, and needs
to be filled if you're using a varnish or lacquer. Figured
maple looks amazing with a dyed stain such as Transfast,
and will be much easier to finish.
For varnish, nothing better than Rockhard (Behlen's).
Phenolic resin base, cures tough and easy to rub.
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval =
ends.
> Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:49:14 +0000 (UTC), William Don**ly
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Dr. Deb wrote:
>
>> One question though, why are you taking the class?
>> Is it that you are not confident of your woodworking skills?
>
>I have the skills only because I took woodworking class in high school
>(all four years) - but then - I became an electronics tech so all the shop
>equipment I've bought since then has been radically different in character.
>
>I don't have the equipment nor room for the equipment (unless I build a shed):
>- Table saw (I have a chop saw)
>- Router table (I have a router & bits, but I never used them)
>- Band saw (I have a hand held power jig saw & circular saw)
>- Drill press (I have a hand held power drill and bits)
>- Disc & belt sander (I have a hand held power belt sander)
>- Wood clamps (I have your basic foot-long C clamps)
>
>I've been toying with the idea of buying the basic shop tools above
>but then I'd have to build a powered shed in order to store & use them.
>
>That's why the class seems most intriguing.
The class is probably a good idea. You didn't state what area of the
country you're in but places like Woodcraft and Rockler (stores that
cater to wood workers) offer such courses, too. They have courses
targeted a little more specifically, too. In addition, some larger
metropolitan areas have a woodworking club or businesses that rent out
shop space and tools.
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:09:51 +0000 (UTC), William Don**ly
<[email protected]> wrote:
>David L. Martel wrote:
>
>> You don't say how long a class is
>
>Here is the class description:
>
>Woodworking Techniques 101:
>This comprehensive 12-session class is a complete course in woodworking
>techniques.
>Each 3-hour class covers basic and fundamental woodworking concepts for both
>the new woodworker & advanced techniques for the experienced craftsman.
>Lumber may be purchased from the instructor or brought by the student
>but only new lumber may be used on the school machinery.
>Each student must choose a project by the third week.
>Project grading will be based on safety, simplicity, form, and finish.
>A $25 charge for materials is payable to the instructor at the first meeting.
No way can you finish a table under those circumstances.
Are you taking the class to learn or just to use the tools? Two
weeks are just teaching and probably very little hands on except to
run a board through the saw. Now you are down to 30 hours total. Will
you be allowed to be ripping your wood while the teacher is showing
how to use a hand plane? Will you be able to clamp up your top at the
same time a dozen other students are trying to clamp up their TV stand
or bookcase? Will Norm be there to put in a brad to hold things
together?
Take the class, but find a place where you can rent time on the tools.
My guess the teacher won't want you planing your wood in the big
planer while he is showing how to sharpen a chisel.
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 03:07:08 +0000 (UTC), William Don**ly
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
>12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
>Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
>How much would it cost?
>
>Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
>I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
>What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room table?
>
>The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval ends.
>Maybe five or eight feet long?
>(What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
If you really need to learn how to do make a table, by all means take
the class. But if you already know how, for $200 you could buy all the
tools you need to make one at home, as long as you dont buy real costly
tools.
A common dark wood is walnut, but there are others. As for the cost, go
to a local lumber yard and ask them. Newsgroups are not places to ask
prices, because they vary around the world.
For table sizes, go to a furniture store and take a ruler.
Dont forget, you'll need chairs to match!
William Don**ly wrote:
> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
included:
http://www.northwestlumberco.com/woodclass.htm
> How much would it cost?
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room table?
>
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval ends.
> Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
>
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:43:58 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 12/11/2012 12:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:00:47 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/10/2012 11:52 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>>> Criticizing poly finishes is not calling someone a google-fed airhead,
>>>> asshole. Go fuck yourself.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> A human being must have occupation if he or
>>>> she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
>>>> -- Dorothy L. Sayers
>>>
>>> Thank gawd for tagline generators, eh Larry ... otherwise meaningful
>>> content would once again be nonexistent.
>>
>> Further proof that you don't know a thing about me. I collect those
>> signature quotes from things I read and from online quotations pages.
>>
>> I feel sorry for you Cajun-Americans.
>>
>> Thus ends any dialog between us.
>>
>>
>> --
>> There is s no such thing as a hyphenated American who is
>> a good American. The only man who is a good American is
>> the man who is an American and nothing else. We are a
>> nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We
>> are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house.
>> --Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>
>
>Actually I think Swingman was paying you a complement on your tag
>lines....you know, the part of your posts that makes sense.
Get a room, you two.
Buh bye!
--
A human being must have occupation if he or
she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
We need to find -jobs- for our CONgresscritters!
-- Larry Jaques
William Don**ly wrote:
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with
> oval ends. Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
Allow a minimum of 24" per person, 30" to be generous.
Consider width too...don't make it so wide that someone can't reach the
center from a seated position, 42-44" is common for rectangular tables.
Round tables are often greater than that in diameter, best with a lazy susan
appropriately sized.
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No, nowhere near long enough. A wood working class will have good quality
tools but in limiteed supply. So the table saw will be occupied 99% of the
time. Ditto sanders, et c.
You don't say how long a class is, or how experienced you are with
cabintry but no, this won't happen.
Speak to the teacher of the class for a reasonable guesstimate.
Dave M.
On 12/10/2012 8:04 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:01:09 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
>> it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
>> included:
>>
>> http://www.northwestlumberco.com/woodclass.htm
>
> I think he might mean this type table, rather than a dining set, Bill.
> http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/13588646_small-shaker-style-side-table
Yes, I was just trying to make a point (with my example). You
(obviously) provided the OP with good advice.
I think one of the best parts of taking a class would be the
availability of good table saws, jointers and planers, hand planes,
vises, and all of the other niceties!
Bill
Bill wrote:
> On 12/10/2012 8:04 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:01:09 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping
>>> you do it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385,
>>> materials included:
>>>
>>> http://www.northwestlumberco.com/woodclass.htm
>>
>> I think he might mean this type table, rather than a dining set,
>> Bill.
>> http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/13588646_small-shaker-style-side-table
>
> Yes, I was just trying to make a point (with my example). You
> (obviously) provided the OP with good advice.
Good advice in a general sense perhaps, but Larry didn't bother to read what
the OP had posted about the table he wishes to build. The original included
information was for a table not the least bit like what Larry suggested.
But - that's Larry...
>
> I think one of the best parts of taking a class would be the
> availability of good table saws, jointers and planers, hand planes,
> vises, and all of the other niceties!
>
One would certainly hope, but unfortunately, one does not always experience
that benefit. Sometimes... and sometimes - not so much.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Dr. Deb wrote:
> One question though, why are you taking the class?
> Is it that you are not confident of your woodworking skills?
I have the skills only because I took woodworking class in high school
(all four years) - but then - I became an electronics tech so all the shop
equipment I've bought since then has been radically different in character.
I don't have the equipment nor room for the equipment (unless I build a shed):
- Table saw (I have a chop saw)
- Router table (I have a router & bits, but I never used them)
- Band saw (I have a hand held power jig saw & circular saw)
- Drill press (I have a hand held power drill and bits)
- Disc & belt sander (I have a hand held power belt sander)
- Wood clamps (I have your basic foot-long C clamps)
I've been toying with the idea of buying the basic shop tools above
but then I'd have to build a powered shed in order to store & use them.
That's why the class seems most intriguing.
David L. Martel wrote:
> You don't say how long a class is
Here is the class description:
Woodworking Techniques 101:
This comprehensive 12-session class is a complete course in woodworking
techniques.
Each 3-hour class covers basic and fundamental woodworking concepts for both
the new woodworker & advanced techniques for the experienced craftsman.
Lumber may be purchased from the instructor or brought by the student
but only new lumber may be used on the school machinery.
Each student must choose a project by the third week.
Project grading will be based on safety, simplicity, form, and finish.
A $25 charge for materials is payable to the instructor at the first meeting.
Bill,
3 hrs. sounds pretty good but that's class time. How much of each class
is actually shop time. Remember that you can't run the table saw during
lectures.
Go talk to the teacher. Go look at the shop. Check out the equipment.
Remember that you can't use the pipe clamps if someone else has them.
I took a simple wood working course in grade school. Getting enough pipe
clamps was a pain. Scheduling time on the mitre box was a pain. I think that
was the point of the class. Machine shop class was the same. My grandfather
was a carpenter with a basement shop. Doing things in his shop was much
easier than doing things in a classroom shop.
The $25 shop charge for materials suggest a beginner's class and
beginners are slow.
Dave M.
In article <[email protected]>,
William Don**ly <[email protected]> wrote:
>My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
>12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
>Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
>How much would it cost?
For a beginner? Not feasible unless it's a small class and the
instructor really wants to help you out.
Cost: $500-$1500 for the lumber, depending. You could go cheaper with
common pine and pine plywood, but you wouldn't like the results
very much. Double or triple the cost for exotic hardwoods, but don't
go there. (A lot of the exotics are endangered or getting there.)
>I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
>What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room table?
Anything can be dark if you stain it. I'm particularly fond of
oak for making furniture, and the cost isn't out of control. Poplar
is nice too, but I don't think they make poplar plywood, and without
plywood, it gets expensive fast.
>The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval ends.
>Maybe five or eight feet long?
If it was rectangular, you could use plywood with trim pieces. Making
it round will greatly increase the expense and difficulty.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/10/2012 12:09 PM, William Don**ly wrote:
>
>> Here is the class description:
>>
>> Woodworking Techniques 101:
>> This comprehensive 12-session class is a complete course in woodworking
>> techniques.
>> Each 3-hour class covers basic and fundamental woodworking concepts for both
>> the new woodworker & advanced techniques for the experienced craftsman.
>> Lumber may be purchased from the instructor or brought by the student
>> but only new lumber may be used on the school machinery.
>> Each student must choose a project by the third week.
>> Project grading will be based on safety, simplicity, form, and finish.
>> A $25 charge for materials is payable to the instructor at the first meeting.
>
>Go for it ...
I literally lol'd. Sorry.
Well, I've been there too. I once told my 7th-grade shop teacher
that I wanted to build a canoe the next semester. After that, for
all subsequent class introductions, he used me as an example of having
unrealistic expectations.
This is a beginners' class. There will be a fixed sylabus and it won't
include anything as ambitious as a dining table.
Swingman is right, though. You should go for it. You won't build a
dining table, but you will get a good grounding.
Then take the advanced class -- it will be more free-form, and if
you did well in woodworking 101, then you could build your table.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
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In article <[email protected]>,
William Don**ly <[email protected]> wrote:
>Dr. Deb wrote:
>
>> One question though, why are you taking the class?
>> Is it that you are not confident of your woodworking skills?
>
>I have the skills only because I took woodworking class in high school
>(all four years)
Ahhh, that's different. Four years of shop should give you a good
grounding. See if you can't get into a more advanced woodworking
class -- those are basically free-form shop access with the
instructor available for consulting. A rounded table is still
pretty ambitious, but a square one is probably in your skill
set.
>- but then - I became an electronics tech so all the shop
>equipment I've bought since then has been radically different in character.
Nah. Except for the introduction of CNC routers (Shopbot), nothing has
changed. With a little luck, your school's shop will have a Sawstop, which
is a truly sweet piece of machinery, but it still operates exactly the
same as the table saw you had in high school.
>I've been toying with the idea of buying the basic shop tools above
>but then I'd have to build a powered shed in order to store & use them.
>
>That's why the class seems most intriguing.
I took the same basic shop class over and over again for *years*,
just to access the tools. I wasn't the only one either; about half
the class were regulars. The instructor let us work on whatever we
wanted, and was there for us as a consultant.
And yes, that's where I built my first table.
--
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Edward A. Falk wrote:
> I'm particularly fond of oak for making furniture,
> and the cost isn't out of control.
> Poplar is nice too, but I don't think they make poplar plywood,
> and without plywood, it gets expensive fast.
I was planning on gluing solid wood together, side by side
and not using plywood. At least that's how I would have done
it 40 years ago when I was in high school shop class.
In article <[email protected]>,
William Don**ly <[email protected]> wrote:
>Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
>> I'm particularly fond of oak for making furniture,
>> and the cost isn't out of control.
>> Poplar is nice too, but I don't think they make poplar plywood,
>> and without plywood, it gets expensive fast.
>
>I was planning on gluing solid wood together, side by side
>and not using plywood. At least that's how I would have done
>it 40 years ago when I was in high school shop class.
More work, and more expense, but as long as your wood is
straight and your joints are strong, you get higher-quality
results.
Plus now, your rounded ends are within reach. You'll need
a proper compass jig for your router, but the shop is likely
to have it. If not, it's not too hard to make.
--
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Lew - what the hell are you doing? At first it seemed like you were making
a statement about the bickering going on within the cross posts, but
ferchristsake mister - you're blanking every reasonable discussion as well.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Edward A. Falk wrote:
> More work, and more expense, but as long as your wood is
> straight and your joints are strong, you get higher-quality
> results.
I remember in my high school woodshop class 40 years ago that we
would turn the "U" curves of the grain the opposite way for each board
in order to keep it straight over multiple boards.
I was planning on doing the same if that's still the current
technique.
Then, I would outline the curved sides, and probably cut those with a
band saw.
I'd router the top edge all around.
I'm not sure how to make the center pedestal but I'm likely going to glue
pieces together and then turn them on the lathe.
Again, that's how I would have done it 40 years ago - but I'm not sure
what changes have been made to shop equipment over the years.
William Don**ly wrote:
> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
>> I'm particularly fond of oak for making furniture,
>> and the cost isn't out of control.
>> Poplar is nice too, but I don't think they make poplar plywood,
>> and without plywood, it gets expensive fast.
>
> I was planning on gluing solid wood together, side by side
> and not using plywood. At least that's how I would have done
> it 40 years ago when I was in high school shop class.
Still the best way IMO. And not that much more expensive. For example, a
4x8 sheet of walnut ply can be had for less than $100. Select, surfaced 4/4
walnut lumber is less than $6/brd.ft so an equivalent amount of would be
about $180. However, if your table top is less than 4x8 you won't need an
equivalent amount and you won't have part of a plywood sheet left over.
Regarding rounded ends, someone mentioned the necessity of a router compass
jig. That's one way of doing it but there is nothing wrong with drawing a
line, cutting off with a sabre saw and smoothing the edge with a belt
sander. The edge can then be profiled to your liking with a router. The
resultant curve may vary slightly from end to end. So what?
--
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Bill wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>
> Found a new hobby?
> -Bill
Apparently he is practicing to become a critic. It seems he finds the words
of wisdom from many/most of us to be lacking in merit.
We have been measured and found wanting <sob>
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Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:42:43 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Apparently he is practicing to become a critic. It seems he finds
>> the words of wisdom from many/most of us to be lacking in merit.
>>
>> We have been measured and found wanting <sob>
>
> What happened to being "weighed" before "measured"?
I gained weight so I avoid scales.
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dadiOH wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>
>> Found a new hobby?
>> -Bill
>
> Apparently he is practicing to become a critic. It seems he finds the words
> of wisdom from many/most of us to be lacking in merit.
>
> We have been measured and found wanting <sob>
Well, I guess people deserve feedback on their posting performance.
Perhaps, our community is as good as the thoughtfulness and effort with
which people are willing to share. Throwing an egg across the room
probably deserves a "duck-egg score"(O).
On 12/10/2012 8:09 AM, David L. Martel wrote:
> You don't say how long a class is, or how experienced you are with
> cabintry but no, this won't happen.
WTF does "cabintry" have to do with building a "dining room table"??
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 12/9/2012 9:07 PM, William Don**ly wrote:
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
Yes, but only if each class is a minimum of two to four hours ... toward
the latter if you want the table to be something you will be proud of
when you're finished.
> How much would it cost?
Not enough information is given to make even a SWAG. Plan on FAS
hardwood going from $6 to $9 a board foot in most places these days, so
do the math on the high side, plus at least 20% for waste.
If the lessons are worth while, $200 for twelve lesson is a good deal
and, depending upon the quality of the instruction, may be well be worth
it just for the experience if you don't have any.
Check to see if these folks have photographic or other evidence of what
has been accomplished by students in previous classes.
Without that, you stand a good chance of buying a pig in a poke, so it
is more than reasonable to ask for references before paying your money.
Good luck with it ... sounds like fun.
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
William Don**ly wrote:
> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session,
> offering 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
> How much would it cost?
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining
room
> table?
>
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval
> ends. Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
As others have said, yes it is feasible. However, a lot depends on how the
class is structured.
One question though, why are you taking the class? Is it that you are not
confident of your woodworking skills? If that is the case AND the
instructor
1) will allow you to pick your own project,
2) does not feel the project is too large for the class (both room wise and
length of build time)
3) you are not going to try to get into anything fancy (assumning you are a
beginner) it could be done.
A better course of action is to read, hit the videos on Youtube, build a
trial project where you can hone your skills and then tackle the larger
project - always remembering the following
1) If it does not fit, back off, find out why and remake if necesary
2) When you rush, you screw up
3) It will take longer than you thought
4) It will cost more than you planned
5) In the coming years you will be amazed at both how well you did and
how you screwed up.
Go for it, life is too short not to grab on with both hands and shout, "Man,
what a ride."
Deb
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:18:13 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
Your posts of late have shown a vast increase in intelligence compared
to what preceded them.
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:42:43 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Apparently he is practicing to become a critic. It seems he finds the words
>of wisdom from many/most of us to be lacking in merit.
>
>We have been measured and found wanting <sob>
What happened to being "weighed" before "measured"?
In article <[email protected]>,
William Don**ly <[email protected]> wrote:
> My local town adult education flyer came in for the winter session, offering
> 12 woodshop sessions for $200, which got me wondering.
>
> Is it feasible to build a basic dining room table in 12 woodshop classes?
> How much would it cost?
>
> Of course, the devil is in the details, so I just want to rough it out.
>
> I realize the variability in cost of the wood could be huge.
> What's a decent dark'ish brown wood for a decent price for a dining room
> table?
>
> The shape of the table would be either circular or rectangular with oval
> ends.
> Maybe five or eight feet long?
> (What's a basic size for seating four to six people?)
In addition to other comments, I'll add that the project might be
physically too large for the class. I took an adult ed furniture
refinishing class years ago, and was told that the dining table I wanted
to refinish was too big. Not a time constraint as much as a size
constraint, as each participant was allotted 1/2 of a 30" x 8' work
table. I ended up just doing the leaves.
On 12/10/2012 11:52 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> Criticizing poly finishes is not calling someone a google-fed airhead,
> asshole. Go fuck yourself.
>
> --
> A human being must have occupation if he or
> she is not to become a nuisance to the world.
> -- Dorothy L. Sayers
Thank gawd for tagline generators, eh Larry ... otherwise meaningful
content would once again be nonexistent.
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 12/9/2012 10:01 PM, Bill wrote:
> I think the answer is yes if your instructor is intent on helping you do
> it. This guy will help you build one in one day for $385, materials
> included:
Thank you for not cross-posting, along with the old time wRec'ers, Leon
and C_Less.
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