On 2004-11-20, WoodMangler <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry Blanchard did say:
>
>> Just checking to see if I can post from Linux - I think I can, I think I
>> can, I think I can :-).
>
> I think you did, I think you did!
And then you did!
OOH OOH and then me!
(actually, I'm doing a little test m'self)
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Just checking to see if I can post from Linux - I think I can, I think I
> >can, I think I can :-).
>
> Using software based on 'the little news engine that could', I see. :)
>
Well, after all, I'm a model railroader as well as a woodworker :-).
--
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > Just checking to see if I can post from Linux - I think I can, I think I
> > can, I think I can :-).
> >
> I've just changed from the Pan newsreader to Mozilla Thunderbird. A
> definite improvement.
>
I've used that under Windows, but prefer Gravity.
I've got something called "Kontact" under Linux, but I'll probably
download Mozilla when I get the time.
I'm still using W95 to post this, Linux is still being tuned. I got
Mandrake Linux and it's a hog on my old slow machine. I'm slowly
getting the fat out.
--
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> Just checking to see if I can post from Linux - I think I can, I think I
> can, I think I can :-).
You'd best not try to invade this corner of the world with that hippy dippy
communist plot to overthrow civilization, Bunky.
We know your type well. The Linux user is a dangerous, dangerous animal.
Get thee to Software Etc. post haste and buy thyself a copy of Windows XP,
you HEATHEN!
If XP won't run on your hardware, throw it all away and buy new hardware!
When your XP box becomes crippled from too many pieces of
spyware/viruses/whatever the hell it is that makes such a mess of those
wretched things, then buy a new computer, and a new copy of XP to run on
it! That is the only way to salvation, brother. The Linux penguin has the
forked tongue of the DEVIL, and if you look closely, you can see it has
horns on its round little head. DAEMON horns from all the evil DAEMONS
that run on a Linux computer! Just LOOK if you don't believe. THERE ARE
DAEMONS THERE!!! HIDEOUS, FOUL DAEMONS WITH NAMES LIKE KMSGSD!
Did you ever stop to notice, brother, how KMSGSD and SATAN both have the
letter S in them? Haven't you ever noticed how Linux and Antichrist both
have the letter I in them? That is no coincidence, brother.
Banish this monstrosity from your life! Save your soul from evil.
If you have any questions, Larry, feel free to email me directly. I'm only
reading this group sporadically since I have officially gone off in a huff
and left the building.
(Dave Leader made me come back. Said if I didn't, he was going to ensure I
never had a sharp plane iron again.)
(Oh, and if you missed the joke, I'm a fanatical Linux zealot. I just try
to keep it down when I'm not in an appropriate place. :)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> You'd best not try to invade this corner of the world with that hippy dippy
> communist plot to overthrow civilization, Bunky.
>
> We know your type well. The Linux user is a dangerous, dangerous animal.
> Get thee to Software Etc. post haste and buy thyself a copy of Windows XP,
> you HEATHEN!
>
>
> Did you ever stop to notice, brother, how KMSGSD and SATAN both have the
> letter S in them? Haven't you ever noticed how Linux and Antichrist both
> have the letter I in them? That is no coincidence, brother.
>
> Banish this monstrosity from your life! Save your soul from evil.
>
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa :-).
Actually, the first time I used Linux was version 0.9?, and it was a
devil to get going :-). Even though it was all in text mode. I got
pretty good on vi and nroff.
Now EMACS - that's the spawn of the devil!
--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:39:49 -0500, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
>> Just checking to see if I can post from Linux - I think I can, I think I
>> can, I think I can :-).
>
> You'd best not try to invade this corner of the world with that hippy dippy
> communist plot to overthrow civilization, Bunky.
>
> We know your type well. The Linux user is a dangerous, dangerous animal.
> Get thee to Software Etc. post haste and buy thyself a copy of Windows XP,
> you HEATHEN!
Yeah! I mean, who is going to run all the viruses and trojans if everyone
goes and switches to Linux? Won't someone think of the script-kiddies!!!
> If XP won't run on your hardware, throw it all away and buy new hardware!
Ah... Mr. Gates. I didn't recognize you. Um, here, hold this box. Yes,
it's ticking, don't worry about that. Sorrycan'ttalkgottarunbyenow.
> When your XP box becomes crippled from too many pieces of
> spyware/viruses/whatever the hell it is that makes such a mess of those
> wretched things, then buy a new computer, and a new copy of XP to run on
> it! That is the only way to salvation, brother.
I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
> The Linux penguin has the
> forked tongue of the DEVIL, and if you look closely, you can see it has
> horns on its round little head. DAEMON horns from all the evil DAEMONS
> that run on a Linux computer! Just LOOK if you don't believe. THERE ARE
> DAEMONS THERE!!! HIDEOUS, FOUL DAEMONS WITH NAMES LIKE KMSGSD!
Yes, my computer is full of daemons, that is true. I think inetd is
the gateway to many others. There also seems to be this one called
"init" which calls _all_ the rest of them. Must investigate, maybe I
can kill it.
> Did you ever stop to notice, brother, how KMSGSD and SATAN both have the
> letter S in them? Haven't you ever noticed how Linux and Antichrist both
> have the letter I in them? That is no coincidence, brother.
Um, WindowS? How does that work with your little scheme there, sparky?
(Can I call you Sparky, Sparky?) I call you Sparky because when I apply
electricity to you, you spark.
> Banish this monstrosity from your life! Save your soul from evil.
So, free/net/openBSD then, instead? (shrug) OK, no problem.
> If you have any questions, Larry, feel free to email me directly. I'm only
> reading this group sporadically since I have officially gone off in a huff
> and left the building.
- You can leave in a taxi. If you can't get a taxi, you can leave
- in a huff. If that's too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff.
- (Groucho Marx, 1933)
So. Any ideas on how I can get the latest virus to run on my Linux
box? It keeps asking for the root password before it'll run.
Dave
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:43:21 -0800, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Actually, the first time I used Linux was version 0.9?, and it was a
> devil to get going :-).
Ouch, that's pretty early. I assume you mean kernel 0.9? I came in
somewhere around RedHat 4-ish. x86config gives me twitching nightmares
to this day.
> Even though it was all in text mode. I got
> pretty good on vi and nroff.
I'm using vi right now, but never had the need to learn nroff.
> Now EMACS - that's the spawn of the devil!
See, for all of our philosophical/political differences, we agree on the
technology. That's refreshing to know.
Dave Hinz
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:43:21 -0800, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, the first time I used Linux was version 0.9?, and it was a
> > devil to get going :-).
>
> Ouch, that's pretty early. I assume you mean kernel 0.9? I came in
> somewhere around RedHat 4-ish. x86config gives me twitching nightmares
> to this day.
>
Don't feel bad. I modified my Xorg.conf (a link to X86Config) and
*something* changed it back every time I rebooted - seems if you don't
go through the specific hoops that Mandrake wants you to, they assume
you shouldn't be allowed to change anything :-).
I should have bought Slackware :-).
And the version I started with was 0.9 something. I think it was 0.97,
but it's been a long time. I discovered it just before I installed
Minix :-).
--
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On 2004-11-22, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
<Linux stuff>
SLRN??? You are using SLRN to post messages?
Why, why, that doesn't even need a GUI fer Chrissakes!
How can you expect to create a rich feeding ground for the
virus/trojan/worm/active-x/javascript virii/etc to flourish in a CLI-non
winders environment?
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If you don't know to switch the "com" and the "gmail",
You probably shouldn't attempt to email me.
David G. Sizemore
On 23 Nov 2004 12:13:54 GMT, John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2004-11-22, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><Linux stuff>
>
> SLRN??? You are using SLRN to post messages?
> Why, why, that doesn't even need a GUI fer Chrissakes!
Yes, yes, indeed, that's why I use it. When I'm doing "friends and family
support" on the infected 'doze instance of the week for someone else, I can
connect up to a "real" system and read usenet while waiting for whatever to
download or scan. But, I _do_ have text colors turned on; I'm not a complete
luddite.
I just updated to slrn from 'tin' a year or two ago, needed to be able to
connect to multiple newsservers for a time, which tin didn't support so
gracefully. Lost my killfile which had entries back to 1991 or so, sadly.
> How can you expect to create a rich feeding ground for the
> virus/trojan/worm/active-x/javascript virii/etc to flourish in a CLI-non
> winders environment?
I'm happy to let someone else feed those maggots ;)
Dave
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> Now EMACS - that's the spawn of the devil!
Evimtually we will put a stop to that.
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Dave Hinz wrote:
> So. Any ideas on how I can get the latest virus to run on my Linux
> box? It keeps asking for the root password before it'll run.
Vmware. :)
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http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> go through the specific hoops that Mandrake wants you to, they assume
> you shouldn't be allowed to change anything :-).
>
> I should have bought Slackware :-).
http://www.debian.org
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http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:42:51 -0500, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> So. Any ideas on how I can get the latest virus to run on my Linux
>> box? It keeps asking for the root password before it'll run.
>
> Vmware. :)
I've been using vmware for years, can't beat it. When windows crashes,
it's just another app on one of Linux's desktops, and I restart it.
Amazingly enough, it seems to behave better in the virtual machine
than it does in native mode on the actual hardware.
Dave
On 2004-11-23, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, yes, indeed, that's why I use it. When I'm doing "friends and family
> support" on the infected 'doze instance of the week for someone else, I can
> connect up to a "real" system and read usenet while waiting for whatever to
> download or scan. But, I _do_ have text colors turned on; I'm not a complete
> luddite.
>
> I just updated to slrn from 'tin' a year or two ago, needed to be able to
> connect to multiple newsservers for a time, which tin didn't support so
> gracefully. Lost my killfile which had entries back to 1991 or so, sadly.
Are you using slrnpull?
Are you using slrnpull to connect to multiple servers?
If so, howdja do it?
BTW, I know the wreck is no place for a Linux distro war, but I do see some
interesting parallels(between users of different distributions, I am not
taking a bully pulpit to Window$ bash). There are those who must have the
"whiz-bang" bells-n-whistles latest-n-greatest doesitallforyou
distro/tool/fence/whatever, and are willing to sacrifice understanding for
ease of use. Call it "getting a fish" They can usually do the job that they
originally got the tool for, but don't see how it could apply to a lifetime
of enjoyment/productivity.
Then there are those who take the time to understand the workings of the
tools they have, and are able to see how they fit in with a good "toolset";
they learn to apply/modify techniques/configurations to suit the "project"
they are currently on. Knowing the right tool for the job usually results
in needing less of the wrong tools. Call it "learning to fish"
There are the rest of us, who, due to
time/money/interest/desire/life/SWMBO(yes, "are you still fiddling with that
Slackware?" is equal to "shouldn't the table saw just cut well right out of
the box?") fall somewhere in the middle. Call it "having a nice fishing
boat, but knowing there is a Red Lobster on the way home."
Notice I chose to put no particular tool brand or Linux distribution in the
descriptions of the groups; If what you use suits your needs, then it is not
my place to tell you what you "need". Have fun with whatcha got. Always
try to get more! If you got too much, email me for my address-I'll be glad
to take it off your hands
--
If you don't know to switch the "com" and the "gmail",
You probably shouldn't attempt to email me.
David G. Sizemore
On 24 Nov 2004 00:43:16 GMT, David G. Sizemore <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2004-11-23, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I just updated to slrn from 'tin' a year or two ago, needed to be able to
>> connect to multiple newsservers for a time, which tin didn't support so
>> gracefully. Lost my killfile which had entries back to 1991 or so, sadly.
>
> Are you using slrnpull?
> Are you using slrnpull to connect to multiple servers?
> If so, howdja do it?
I was using something but it was a while ago now, and I don't
remember what (let alone how) I set it up, sorry.
> BTW, I know the wreck is no place for a Linux distro war, but I do see some
> interesting parallels(between users of different distributions, I am not
> taking a bully pulpit to Window$ bash).
Well, I've been using RedHat (and now Fedora) for rather a long time.
Yes, there are distros out there that are "better" for various purposes,
but...I work in IT, and it's easier to sell management on Redhat Linux
than, say, Slackware, just based on name recognition. Yes, it's silly.
Yes, there are cases where Slackware, or Debian, or any of a number of
other distros would be a closer fit to what we're trying to do, but
by the time I install and config a system, it's not all that generic
anyway. I'll be building a mailhub, and I think that one is gonna
be OpenBSD, just for the security reasons.
> Then there are those who take the time to understand the workings of the
> tools they have, and are able to see how they fit in with a good "toolset";
> they learn to apply/modify techniques/configurations to suit the "project"
> they are currently on. Knowing the right tool for the job usually results
> in needing less of the wrong tools. Call it "learning to fish"
Yes. Those who just learn how to drag-n-drool on the admintool of
whatever they're working with, only learn how to drag-n-drool. Going
in command line, or at least knowing what the drag-n-drool stuff
actually is _doing_, is the key. Once you 'get' it, you can switch
from Linux, to any of the other Unix / SYSV / BSD systems out there
with little problem. But, if you memorize tools, you'll be lost when
you switch.
> Notice I chose to put no particular tool brand or Linux distribution in the
> descriptions of the groups; If what you use suits your needs, then it is not
> my place to tell you what you "need". Have fun with whatcha got. Always
> try to get more! If you got too much, email me for my address-I'll be glad
> to take it off your hands
Heh. For a while, I was running Redhat on a Sun Ultra5, right next to
Solaris on a Intel PC, _just because_. Started out as a lark, but the
UltraPenguin just kept running, so it served well for several years
before I ended up doing something different.
Dave Hinz wrote:
> from Linux, to any of the other Unix / SYSV / BSD systems out there
> with little problem. But, if you memorize tools, you'll be lost when
> you switch.
OTOH, if you have GOOD tools.... I've forgotten how to mange all the module
config stuff, compile kernels, and various other things because Debian Just
Works (tm).
There's something to be said for knowing how to vim around, and something to
be said for tools that work too. After awhile doing everything by hand
gets to be a PITA.
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:26:08 -0500, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> from Linux, to any of the other Unix / SYSV / BSD systems out there
>> with little problem. But, if you memorize tools, you'll be lost when
>> you switch.
>
> OTOH, if you have GOOD tools.... I've forgotten how to mange all the module
> config stuff, compile kernels, and various other things because Debian Just
> Works (tm).
That's fine, but it's not as portable as knowing what it's really doing.
It depends on how many flavors of unix you routinely deal with. For me,
(let's call all Solaris variants one Unix to make it reasonable), on a
weekly basis, I deal with FreeBSD, RedHat, Fedora, Solaris, IRIX, and
MacOSX. Some weeks, HP-UX as well. I'd go nuts memorizing all of the
admin tools for each, but as long as I can find the tool, the "Unix
Rosetta Stone" comes in quite handy. (if you're not familiar with it,
do yourself a favor and google for it).
> There's something to be said for knowing how to vim around, and something to
> be said for tools that work too. After awhile doing everything by hand
> gets to be a PITA.
Well, most of those things are a set-and-forget task, though. Also, I
don't know of any admin tool that, for instance, allows me to gracefully
create new virtual interfaces on an active ethernet port
(hme0:15) kind of things.
J. Clarke wrote:
>> OTOH, if you have GOOD tools.... I've forgotten how to mange all the
>> module config stuff, compile kernels, and various other things because
>> Debian Just Works (tm).
>
> If it "just works" that's because the kernel was compiled with everything
> turned on. Means that it's bigger and slower than it needs to be.
> Probably not optimized for your processor either.
Yes, but big deal. I've done kernels both ways. Any performance difference
is negligible at best, and it takes a substantial amount of fiddling to
arrive at a kernel config with all of the wheat and none of the chaff.
After about the fourth time my perfectly hone config didn't port forward
without problems, I gave a stock kernel a try. It annoys me on general
principles that there is so much chaff, but it's more of a theoretical than
actual annoyance.
I think my perspective on a lot of this changed when my mobo died and I got
stuck using a PII-233 for a few months. I had to go get a new kernel for
the i686 architecture, and it was a lot faster to download a pre-compiled
kernel image than to build one from scratch on that thing. Once I made
that switch, I never have fooled with kernel tweaking again. I mean hell,
when you're going from a PII-233 to a P4-2000, it doesn't really matter if
you're running an i386 kernel or one custom tweaked to perfection. It's
still a bazillion and a half times faster, no matter what.
So I just don't care anymore, basically. Spew all you want about the
exciting advantages of doing all that crap by hand. I couldn't care less
anymore. I have the T-shirt. I have better things to do now.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
J. Clarke wrote:
> Personally I don't find the few minutes it takes to go through menuconfig
> to be any particular burden.
It's not the few minutes it takes to go through menuconfig, but the number
of times you have to go through menuconfig, compile, boot, and test before
you get everything exactly right. Whoops, crap, how did I forget to
compile agpgart or whatever.
> Now I can see where recompiling the kernel on that would be a pain. I've
> got a dual 1 GHz machine here and an Athlon-64 machine--either of them
> handles the cross-compile right quick.
I have a single 2 GHz box, and I have no idea how fast it can build a
kernel. It can do a completely clean build of Rosegarden in 40 minutes
though, which is a big improvement over the ten hours it was taking on that
junker I got stuck using for far too long. :)
> Long as it suits your purpose. You're not going to get a single-diskette
> router out that kernel though, to take one example of why tuning is
> beneficial.
Well, if I were trying to build a single diskette router, I'd tweak the
kernel! Duh! :)
(For that matter, I don't think I still own a diskette that actually works,
let alone a functional drive to put it in. :)
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> Sheesh! I posted a simple test to see if my new newsreader was working
> and the thread has been going for days.
>
> Get a life, guys :-).
Linux IS my life. I spend enough time hacking on stuff, writing about
stuff, talking about stuff, helping people figure out stuff, that it's a
second job and then some.
Well, that and making purty noises in various other ways. Trumpet, table
saw, plane taking whisper quiet shavings, it's all good. :)
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just checking to see if I can post from Linux - I think I can, I think I
>can, I think I can :-).
Using software based on 'the little news engine that could', I see. :)
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Just checking to see if I can post from Linux - I think I can, I think I
>> >can, I think I can :-).
>>
>> Using software based on 'the little news engine that could', I see. :)
>>
> Well, after all, I'm a model railroader as well as a woodworker :-).
>
Isn't it strange how woodworking and model railroading work hand in hand.
I too am into both. Building furniture and cabinets but also love to build
HO steam locomotives and a layout in the future.
Rich
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"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Hi Joat,
I'm sort of a newcomer here on the wreck, but have often followed your
links for inspiration/humor/etc. Obviously, you have a lot of expertise
in the woodworking area (and, may I say, life).
Just wondering - why do you go the Web-TV route? My in-laws had this
set-up for a few years and it seemed a PITA to us computer types (not
that I'm a whiz at this stuff either).
Just curious.
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, J T
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Yep, I've still got a WebTV.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Measure twice, cut once, swear repeatedly.
>
Sun, Nov 21, 2004, 8:15pm [email protected] (loutent) has in inquiring mind
that wants to know:
Hi Joat,
I'm sort of a newcomer here on the wreck, but have often followed your
links for inspiration/humor/etc. Obviously, you have a lot of expertise
in the woodworking area (and, may I say, life).
Just wondering - why do you go the Web-TV route? My in-laws had this
set-up for a few years and it seemed a PITA to us computer types (not
that I'm a whiz at this stuff either).
Just curious.
Obviously you have me confused with someone else. I have little
expertise in anything. Experience, yes, experise, no.
I got a WebTV initially, because it was a cheap way to get on-line
($100), and I didn't have a lot of money to spare. My first unit fried
in a storm, so I upgraded to the $200 version, for $50 on eBay, along
with a new printer, about $100.
It's a bit of a PITA at times, but works, for about anything I
want/need. I was a lead computer operator for 9 years, and still can't
think of anything I would actually "need" a computer for. If I ever do
think of anything, I'll get one. Until then, or until my unit dies,
I'll stick with what's paid for, and works. But, if, and when, it
croaks, I'll likely get one of the less expensive computer package
deals.
JOAT
Measure twice, cut once, swear repeatedly.
Silvan wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> from Linux, to any of the other Unix / SYSV / BSD systems out there
>> with little problem. But, if you memorize tools, you'll be lost when
>> you switch.
>
> OTOH, if you have GOOD tools.... I've forgotten how to mange all the
> module config stuff, compile kernels, and various other things because
> Debian Just Works (tm).
If it "just works" that's because the kernel was compiled with everything
turned on. Means that it's bigger and slower than it needs to be.
Probably not optimized for your processor either.
> There's something to be said for knowing how to vim around, and something
> to
> be said for tools that work too. After awhile doing everything by hand
> gets to be a PITA.
>
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Silvan wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>>> OTOH, if you have GOOD tools.... I've forgotten how to mange all the
>>> module config stuff, compile kernels, and various other things because
>>> Debian Just Works (tm).
>>
>> If it "just works" that's because the kernel was compiled with everything
>> turned on. Means that it's bigger and slower than it needs to be.
>> Probably not optimized for your processor either.
>
> Yes, but big deal. I've done kernels both ways. Any performance
> difference is negligible at best, and it takes a substantial amount of
> fiddling to arrive at a kernel config with all of the wheat and none of
> the chaff. After about the fourth time my perfectly hone config didn't
> port forward
> without problems, I gave a stock kernel a try. It annoys me on general
> principles that there is so much chaff, but it's more of a theoretical
> than actual annoyance.
Personally I don't find the few minutes it takes to go through menuconfig to
be any particular burden.
> I think my perspective on a lot of this changed when my mobo died and I
> got
> stuck using a PII-233 for a few months. I had to go get a new kernel for
> the i686 architecture, and it was a lot faster to download a pre-compiled
> kernel image than to build one from scratch on that thing.
Now I can see where recompiling the kernel on that would be a pain. I've
got a dual 1 GHz machine here and an Athlon-64 machine--either of them
handles the cross-compile right quick.
> Once I made
> that switch, I never have fooled with kernel tweaking again. I mean hell,
> when you're going from a PII-233 to a P4-2000, it doesn't really matter if
> you're running an i386 kernel or one custom tweaked to perfection. It's
> still a bazillion and a half times faster, no matter what.
>
> So I just don't care anymore, basically. Spew all you want about the
> exciting advantages of doing all that crap by hand. I couldn't care less
> anymore. I have the T-shirt. I have better things to do now.
Long as it suits your purpose. You're not going to get a single-diskette
router out that kernel though, to take one example of why tuning is
beneficial.
>
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On September 1993 plus 4100 days Dave Hinz wrote:
> See, for all of our philosophical/political differences, we agree on the
> technology. That's refreshing to know.
Just so you don't feel lacking...I'm an emacs user :) Been using
linux since kernel .92, and this is being sent with gnus, which is
an elisp program running inside emacs :)
Vox
--
Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind
of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_
technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr.