Morning everyone,
I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a busy
intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard a
THUD and my Ranger moved forward (I had my foot firmly on the break).
Oh Fark I thought, I looked in my rearview and saw a red Dodge Caravan,
sh*t, sh*t, sh*t I thought. I put on my four ways and got of the truck. I
looked at my rear bumper and couldn't see much damage, looked like it was
tilted under slightly. Caravan's license plate and cover is smashed in and
the bumper is all messed up. I am in Canada, and it is cold and snowy, but
the road was dry, this guy should have been able to stop. I head to the
drivers window and he rolls it down, "Sorry Man", he says. I reply "Sorry
does not quite cover it". I ask him for some ID, his license and insurance.
There might not be much damage, but I want his info in case there are things
I cannot see. My plan is to take the truck to the dealership and have them
give it a through look over. Guy hums and hahs, says "Hey, there is no
reason to get the Police involved". This guy is either drunk or very low on
the IQ scale, he is not speaking very well. I hadn't mentioned anything
about the Police, I should have paid more attention to this remark. He
starts to get his wallet out and suggests we turn into the parking lot as we
are holding up traffic at a major intersection (Clark and Dundas for any
local people). I get out a note pad and pen and write down the make, model
and license plate of the van. I then get back into my truck and turn into
the parking lot. He does not. The third car does turn in and stops to talk
to me. The lady asks, "Was he supposed to follow you in here?" I reply "Yes
he was". "He left", she says. She asks if I got the license plate and gives
me a note with her name, number and what she wrote down.
I go into a store to use the phone, I call the police. The police are there
in about 15 minutes. I am with the police for about 45 minutes as they take
a report. They show me a picture of the guy and ask if it is him, I say it
is. He is known to them. He has no license and is under suspension. The
dispatch a cruiser to his house to keep an eye on it to make sure he does
not go out.
I am asked to follow the officer to the goof balls house and to wait nearby
in case I have to identify him.
With two cruisers outside his house, I wait in a nearby parking lot about
another 45 minutes. Finally the police come out and I speak with the
officer. I am told they are calling him an ambulance as when they were
talking with him, he was fading in and out. They cannot charge him with DUI
because he was home alone for a period of time and could have started
drinking when he got home. He does have 5 previous DUI's, a suspended
license, no insurance, and was probably drunk at the time. He was charged
under our Federal law with Leaving the Scene of an Accident, which is a
pretty serious charge. I am told that I might be called to trial if this
goes to court.
The officer was very nice, polite and courteous. He thanks me for waiting
around and for the help I have been.
When I got home I called my brother (GM of a car dealership) to see when I
can get my truck in for a full once over. There doesn't seem to be any
damage, and if the guy had just given me any info, that might have been the
end of it.
This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there isn't
anything wrong with my truck.
What an idiot.
David.
I got hit from behind by a drunk driver on March 15, 1989 and it broke my
neck in two places. (double compression fracture, they called it) I spent
the next 8 months wearing a hard neck brace.
I still have some problems from time to time, but pretty much recovered from
it.
I was lucky I wasn't killed. The next person he meets might not be so
lucky...
String him up by the short hairs and don't cut him any slack.
Mark
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Morning everyone,
>
> I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
> the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a
busy
> intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard
a
> THUD and my Ranger moved forward (I had my foot firmly on the break).
[........]
>
> This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there
isn't
> anything wrong with my truck.
>
> What an idiot.
>
> David.
>
>
>
In Iowa, we want the BAC simply becuase anything over .08 is an automatic
conviction. The only thing they could argue is if implied concent proceures
were followed. Not having a BAC doesn't mean it's down the tubes, it just
means the officer has to show through testimony and witnesses that the
person was under the influence - not difficult, in fact - I've not heard of
one lost yet.
Don
George <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Personal injury versus property damage. Property damage <$400 does not
even
> require policing here.
>
> As to DUI, the only real hope, in my opinion, is to get video (invasion of
> privacy many places) of the individual while under. BAC means little to
a
> jury, and you can bet the defense _will_ request a jury, because there's
> scarcely an individual in that jury pool who hasn't said "I shouldn't have
> driven myself home" the next morning. We've got a 3rd offense felony law
> in MI, but there are regulars at our jail with a dozen DWI - driving while
> impaired convictions.
>
> Fortunately, the legal/psychological system has those alcohol classes they
> make 'em attend....
>
>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "BIG JOE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Yes, this is not nearly as serious in Wisconsin. In your scenario, he
> > > gets off with just a traffic citation, unless someone is injured, then
> > > he's f****d.
> >
> > I was always under the impression that leaving the scene of an accident
> was
> > considerably more serious than a traffic citation.
> >
> >
>
>
They are working on .08 because if they don't, they'll lose a ton of Federal
Highway dollars. It's all about the money.
Don
BIG JOE <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Joe Willmann wrote.....
> > and what good will that do? They have already taken away his license
> > and he has been charged with multiple drunk driving charges. It is time
> > to:
> >
> > 1) make it illegal for him to own or operate a motor vehicle. If caught
> > violating he should be sent away for 5 - 10 years.
> >
> > 2) Confiscate any vehicles that he currently owns.
> >
> > 3) Place him in forced rehab.
> >
> > 4) Cane him.
> >
> > If after 5 years he is clean and has lived up to the rules he can
> > petition the court to get his driving/ownership privelages back. But to
> > do so he has to give up the consumption of any alcoholic beverage.
>
>
> Joe, I couldn't agree more. In Wisconsin, we are more interested in
> lowering the BAC limit to .08 than cracking down on repeat offenders,
> who typically blow .20 or higher, and won't stop until they kill
> someone. I would move the lower limit back to .10, and create a
> minimum of two levels. You can then make .20 30 days in jail on the
> first offense, and a felony on the second. I would also up the
> penalties on repeat .10 offenders as well. Repeat offenders would
> also not be allowed to own a vehicle for five years, subject to random
> checks every six months or so.
>
> Joe
David F. Eisan wrote:
A fustrating story.
As many have said, glad you are OK and it could have been worse.
Dave miller
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/7831948.htm
Fri, Jan. 30, 2004
Road rage leads to hit-run death of man, 61
Accused arrested on I-476 following state police chase
By SIMONE WEICHSELBAUM & GLORIA CAMPISI
THOMAS RICCI had long fought drug addiction - his own and others.
But it wasn't drugs that killed Ricci, 61, a grandfather of three and
born-again Christian - it was an alleged drunken driver.
During a dispute yesterday afternoon with the driver - possibly following a
fender-bender - the driver knocked Ricci down and ran over his head and
chest with his Jeep Wranger on a South Philadelphia street, police said.
Ricci died three hours later. The driver, identified by police as Robert
Haubert, 25, was later chased down by state police on the Blue Route, I-476,
and charged with aggravated assault, drunken driving and other counts.
Police said the incident occurred about 3:15 p.m. on Pas-syunk Avenue near
26th Street at the entrance to the Schuylkill Expressway.
Witnesses said the two apparently had been involved in a minor accident
nearby.
Ricci got out of his white Honda Accord and approached Haubert as he sat in
the red Wrangler waiting to turn onto the expressway, police said.
The elderly man banged on Haubert's hood while screaming, "You just hit my
car! You're not leaving!" according to police sources.
Haubert tried to get away from Ricci, but instead ran him over, crushing his
head, police said. Haubert then fled onto the expressway.
"He just ran him over like that," Ricci's daughter Renee, 37, sobbed to a
family friend as they stood in a waiting room of the Hospital of the
University of Pennsylvania, shortly after learning Ricci had died.
"I hope the guy who did this stays in jail for the rest of his life," she
wailed.
After leaving Ricci's bleeding body, Haubert of Conshohocken, sped to the
Blue Route. But a driver on the highway recognized the Jeep from news
reports, and called 911, said Trooper Chris Paris, a spokesman for the
Pennsylvania State Police.
An unmarked state police car tried to pull the Jeep over, Paris said, but
Haubert would not stop, dodging rush-hour traffic while zig-zagging through
lanes at 60 mph.
"He drove against oncoming traffic, rammed a marked trooper car and then
crashed into a light pole," said Paris.
It was there that he was arrested, and later charged with aggravated assult,
reckless endangerment and drunken driving.
Philadelphia homicide detectives said they were investigating the
hit-and-run and would charge Haubert as well.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> "David F. Eisan" wrote:
> snip of sad tale
> Sorry about your truck David. I had an idiot run into the rear of my
> Ranger shortly after I got it. Didn't hurt my bumper, but it trashed
> the front of their car. Too bad he was in a minivan. At least you
> weren't hurt and the truck probably wasn't either. There's a reason the
> Ranger came in tops in the crash tests foro trucks its size. Next time
> you get a truck, get a F-150 and put a pintel hook on the back bumper.
> That way it'll be high enough that however rear-ends you won't drive
> away.
> Sorry,
> Dave in Fairfax
>
Just a coincidence today: <http://www.comics.com/creators/ballardst/>
That's Saturday January 31.
I really don't mean to be a weenie, but I don't care what time of day
it is, or who is walking around! They could just as easily run over my
wife, my mother, or my son. I really do not understand this selfish
act, but then again I do not understand smoking either. At this point
of my life, I am glad to not have to understand them myself.
Chris Mooney
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:21:15 -0500, Cult of Nurse's
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Send the f*ckwit to jail, he could have run over a little kid, driving
>drunk at lunchtime.
David
Sorry what happened to you. I have been rear ended three times. Never by
a drunk. The lightest one was at a stoplight and thelady went heads down
to dig in her purse and she let up on her brakes. The next day I had a
sore neck for three days. The worst time a lady thought I was going to
go from a stop sign and so in her eagerness pushed on the gas to go
also. I was just creeping up to get a view of oncoming traffic. Next
day, real sore neck for two weeks. So I imagine you are feeling
something now.
This guy is far overdue for jail time. I thought they were taking these
peoples vehicles away now? If you have any chance to see him put away
please do. Society has given him too many chances. He has probably hurt
somebody before you. And I fear he will again without stiffer measures.
Please keep us posted, if your in any way disposed to doing so.
David F. Eisan wrote:
>Morning everyone,
>
>I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
>the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a busy
>intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard a
>THUD and my Ranger moved forward (I had my foot firmly on the break).
>
>Oh Fark I thought, I looked in my rearview and saw a red Dodge Caravan,
>sh*t, sh*t, sh*t I thought. I put on my four ways and got of the truck. I
>looked at my rear bumper and couldn't see much damage, looked like it was
>tilted under slightly. Caravan's license plate and cover is smashed in and
>the bumper is all messed up. I am in Canada, and it is cold and snowy, but
>the road was dry, this guy should have been able to stop. I head to the
>drivers window and he rolls it down, "Sorry Man", he says. I reply "Sorry
>does not quite cover it". I ask him for some ID, his license and insurance.
>There might not be much damage, but I want his info in case there are things
>I cannot see. My plan is to take the truck to the dealership and have them
>give it a through look over. Guy hums and hahs, says "Hey, there is no
>reason to get the Police involved". This guy is either drunk or very low on
>the IQ scale, he is not speaking very well. I hadn't mentioned anything
>about the Police, I should have paid more attention to this remark. He
>starts to get his wallet out and suggests we turn into the parking lot as we
>are holding up traffic at a major intersection (Clark and Dundas for any
>local people). I get out a note pad and pen and write down the make, model
>and license plate of the van. I then get back into my truck and turn into
>the parking lot. He does not. The third car does turn in and stops to talk
>to me. The lady asks, "Was he supposed to follow you in here?" I reply "Yes
>he was". "He left", she says. She asks if I got the license plate and gives
>me a note with her name, number and what she wrote down.
>
>I go into a store to use the phone, I call the police. The police are there
>in about 15 minutes. I am with the police for about 45 minutes as they take
>a report. They show me a picture of the guy and ask if it is him, I say it
>is. He is known to them. He has no license and is under suspension. The
>dispatch a cruiser to his house to keep an eye on it to make sure he does
>not go out.
>
>I am asked to follow the officer to the goof balls house and to wait nearby
>in case I have to identify him.
>
>With two cruisers outside his house, I wait in a nearby parking lot about
>another 45 minutes. Finally the police come out and I speak with the
>officer. I am told they are calling him an ambulance as when they were
>talking with him, he was fading in and out. They cannot charge him with DUI
>because he was home alone for a period of time and could have started
>drinking when he got home. He does have 5 previous DUI's, a suspended
>license, no insurance, and was probably drunk at the time. He was charged
>under our Federal law with Leaving the Scene of an Accident, which is a
>pretty serious charge. I am told that I might be called to trial if this
>goes to court.
>
>The officer was very nice, polite and courteous. He thanks me for waiting
>around and for the help I have been.
>
>When I got home I called my brother (GM of a car dealership) to see when I
>can get my truck in for a full once over. There doesn't seem to be any
>damage, and if the guy had just given me any info, that might have been the
>end of it.
>
>This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there isn't
>anything wrong with my truck.
>
>What an idiot.
>
>David.
>
>
>
>
>
You may have saved someone else's life. That guy is
a walking - and driving - time bomb. I know it was a real
hassle but you did the right thing. Maybe, just maybe -
they'll put this guy away for a while and maybe, just
maybe get him into rehab and maybe, just maybe - he'll
get "it" and maybe, just maybe, not kill himself and/or
someone else.
In this country we put people in prison for smoking
marijuana, have beer ads everywhere aimed at kids
and lots of people on the road with no insurance, no
license, multiple DUIs and blood alcohol levels that
should kill them - but doesn't. Somethin' screwy about
that.
You did good. Thank you.
charlie b
"David F. Eisan" wrote:
snip of sad tale
Sorry about your truck David. I had an idiot run into the rear of my
Ranger shortly after I got it. Didn't hurt my bumper, but it trashed
the front of their car. Too bad he was in a minivan. At least you
weren't hurt and the truck probably wasn't either. There's a reason the
Ranger came in tops in the crash tests foro trucks its size. Next time
you get a truck, get a F-150 and put a pintel hook on the back bumper.
That way it'll be high enough that however rear-ends you won't drive
away.
Sorry,
Dave in Fairfax
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Joe Willmann wrote:
> 1) make it illegal for him to own or operate a motor vehicle. If caught
> violating he should be sent away for 5 - 10 years.
> 2) Confiscate any vehicles that he currently owns.
> 3) Place him in forced rehab.
> 4) Cane him.
Just an idle thought, do you have an ice pick. Does he have tires or a
gas tank?
Dave in Fairfax
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Hope there's nothing wrong with you. Today will tell the tale in your back
and neck, but sounds like you might get off free.
Lady in a bigass Chrysler (talking on the phone) took a shot at my current
Ranger when he was new. Bent the bumper under and scratched it. If you
need the bumper, with scratch, but straight, it's in the shed....
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Morning everyone,
>
> I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
> the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a
busy
> intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard
a
> THUD and my Ranger moved forward (I had my foot firmly on the break).
>
> This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there
isn't
> anything wrong with my truck.
>
> What an idiot.
>
> David.
>
>
>
Personal injury versus property damage. Property damage <$400 does not even
require policing here.
As to DUI, the only real hope, in my opinion, is to get video (invasion of
privacy many places) of the individual while under. BAC means little to a
jury, and you can bet the defense _will_ request a jury, because there's
scarcely an individual in that jury pool who hasn't said "I shouldn't have
driven myself home" the next morning. We've got a 3rd offense felony law
in MI, but there are regulars at our jail with a dozen DWI - driving while
impaired convictions.
Fortunately, the legal/psychological system has those alcohol classes they
make 'em attend....
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "BIG JOE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Yes, this is not nearly as serious in Wisconsin. In your scenario, he
> > gets off with just a traffic citation, unless someone is injured, then
> > he's f****d.
>
> I was always under the impression that leaving the scene of an accident
was
> considerably more serious than a traffic citation.
>
>
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:48:33 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Morning everyone,
>
>I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
-snip of bumper pool game-
>This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there isn't
>anything wrong with my truck.
That makes the prices the delis (who deliver) charge more
appealing, doesn't it?
That story reminds me of a morning back in LoCal in the
late 80's. I was on my way to work after picking up one
of those marvelous Jacques in the Bocques scrambled egg
pita pocket breakfasts. It was a warm morning and I had
the truck sliding rear window open on my side so I could
take in the fresh (kaff) freeway air. I had just taken a
bite of the sandwich when I saw the traffic jam at the
onramp 1/4 mile ahead and slowed with traffic to about 35
mph (about 55kph, Jeff). I glanced up into the rear view
mirror and saw a car coming up behind me and which wasn't
slowing down. Half a second later an old Toyota station
wagon was aproximately one foot shorter than it had been
the second before and my breakfast was all over me. She
hadn't seen the entire traffic jam (or me in my full-size
Ford F-150 pickup) in front of her--all brakes lights glaring.
I thank Buddha for that window being open because my head
bowed both panes out about an inch. I'm certain that my
neck would have snapped when it went through a single pane.
LoCal weather saved my life! She was shaken up but unhurt.
It was lucky that she had dropped off her daughter in school
before getting onto the freeway and slamming into me.
It was lucky that both of us had our seat belts on.
It was lucky that she had insurance.
It was unlucky that it went bankrupt upon filing my claim.
It was lucky that I had collision insurance because they
paid for damage to the truck and my medical treatment, a
couple months of chiro work for my second whiplash in this
body. <sigh>
>What an idiot.
Davey, dude, don't be so hard on yourself.
Oh, you meant -him-, didn't you? Sorry. ;)
We're both lucky we weren't too badly damaged by these fools.
Others don't have that kind of luck.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>You may have saved someone else's life. That guy is
>a walking - and driving - time bomb. I know it was a real
>hassle but you did the right thing. Maybe, just maybe -
>they'll put this guy away for a while and maybe, just
>maybe get him into rehab and maybe, just maybe - he'll
>get "it" and maybe, just maybe, not kill himself and/or
>someone else.
>
Even if he doesn't "get it", putting him away for a while makes the rest of us
just a bit safer for the duration that he's away.
[snip]
>You did good. Thank you.
Let me add my thanks as well. My FIL was permanently disabled and nearly
killed by a drunken driver some twenty years ago, so our family is well aware
of the problems that clowns like this cause.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I can't help but think what a miserable life he must have to
> continually do that. I also can't help but think he should be in jail
> where he might be forced to consider consequences.
>
> Greg
If his life is miserable it is probably because he has made it that way.
Unless proven otherwise he gets absolutely NO sympathy.
[email protected] (BIG JOE) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
>
> They cannot charge him with DUI
>> because he was home alone for a period of time and could have started
>> drinking when he got home. He does have 5 previous DUI's, a suspended
>> license, no insurance, and was probably drunk at the time.
>
> The modus operandi in Wisconsin in such situations is to ask the perp
> if he had been drinking since he got home. This is normally done is
> such a fashion as to suggest he'd be in a hell of a lot of trouble if
> he had. Once he answers "no", you slap the cuffs on him and ring up
> DUI #6.
and what good will that do? They have already taken away his license
and he has been charged with multiple drunk driving charges. It is time
to:
1) make it illegal for him to own or operate a motor vehicle. If caught
violating he should be sent away for 5 - 10 years.
2) Confiscate any vehicles that he currently owns.
3) Place him in forced rehab.
4) Cane him.
If after 5 years he is clean and has lived up to the rules he can
petition the court to get his driving/ownership privelages back. But to
do so he has to give up the consumption of any alcoholic beverage.
[posted and mailed]
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in news:o_WSb.8350
[email protected]:
> BIG JOE wrote:
>
>> Repeat offenders would
>> also not be allowed to own a vehicle for five years, subject to
random
>> checks every six months or so.
>
> Just FYI, that may be a little difficult. For example, my name is on
the
> title (and loan) for the minivan my wife drives.
>
> -- Mark
>
Then I wouldn't recommend that you allow her to drive your vehicles
while under the influence or withou a valid drivers license. I would
still pull the vehicle and confiscate it. After all it would be your
fault if she was to drive it that way.
No sympathy from me here on this. Same for the parents of a teenager
that gives their child the car to drive.
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:48:33 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Morning everyone,
>
>I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
>the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a busy
>intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard a
>THUD
snip
>
>This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there isn't
>anything wrong with my truck.
>
>What an idiot.
>
>David.
>
>
man, sorry to hear about that. glad you're not hurt.
Bridger
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Morning everyone,
>
> I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
> the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a busy
> intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard a
> THUD and my Ranger moved forward (I had my foot firmly on the break).
>
>>SNIP<<
They cannot charge him with DUI
> because he was home alone for a period of time and could have started
> drinking when he got home. He does have 5 previous DUI's, a suspended
> license, no insurance, and was probably drunk at the time.
The modus operandi in Wisconsin in such situations is to ask the perp
if he had been drinking since he got home. This is normally done is
such a fashion as to suggest he'd be in a hell of a lot of trouble if
he had. Once he answers "no", you slap the cuffs on him and ring up
DUI #6.
He was charged
> under our Federal law with Leaving the Scene of an Accident, which is a
> pretty serious charge. I am told that I might be called to trial if this
> goes to court.
Yes, this is not nearly as serious in Wisconsin. In your scenario, he
gets off with just a traffic citation, unless someone is injured, then
he's f****d.
>
> The officer was very nice, polite and courteous. He thanks me for waiting
> around and for the help I have been.
>
> When I got home I called my brother (GM of a car dealership) to see when I
> can get my truck in for a full once over. There doesn't seem to be any
> damage, and if the guy had just given me any info, that might have been the
> end of it.
>
> This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there isn't
> anything wrong with my truck.
You're not hurt. Minor damage to your vehicle. No inoscent
bystanders were hurt. Could have been worse. Think of this as one
more incident that may lead to him getting real help, or real jail
time. Either way, not a bad thing at all.
>
> What an idiot.
>
Yup
Joe
Joe Willmann wrote.....
> and what good will that do? They have already taken away his license
> and he has been charged with multiple drunk driving charges. It is time
> to:
>
> 1) make it illegal for him to own or operate a motor vehicle. If caught
> violating he should be sent away for 5 - 10 years.
>
> 2) Confiscate any vehicles that he currently owns.
>
> 3) Place him in forced rehab.
>
> 4) Cane him.
>
> If after 5 years he is clean and has lived up to the rules he can
> petition the court to get his driving/ownership privelages back. But to
> do so he has to give up the consumption of any alcoholic beverage.
Joe, I couldn't agree more. In Wisconsin, we are more interested in
lowering the BAC limit to .08 than cracking down on repeat offenders,
who typically blow .20 or higher, and won't stop until they kill
someone. I would move the lower limit back to .10, and create a
minimum of two levels. You can then make .20 30 days in jail on the
first offense, and a felony on the second. I would also up the
penalties on repeat .10 offenders as well. Repeat offenders would
also not be allowed to own a vehicle for five years, subject to random
checks every six months or so.
Joe
Sorry the hear about your traffic encounter. Glad to hear that you are OK.
I am on my third rear bumper in 7 years; dead stopped at a red light and
idiots ran into me. I guess it is "get used to it" time.
--
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"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Morning everyone,
>
> I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
> the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a
busy
> intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard
a
> THUD and my Ranger moved forward (I had my foot firmly on the break).
>
>
> When I got home I called my brother (GM of a car dealership) to see when I
> can get my truck in for a full once over. There doesn't seem to be any
> damage, and if the guy had just given me any info, that might have been
the
> end of it.
>
> This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there
isn't
> anything wrong with my truck.
>
> What an idiot.
>
> David.
>
>
>
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This ruined my Day. I never did have lunch yesterday and I hope there
isn't
> anything wrong with my truck.
Surely, it wasted your day, but consider it from an optimistic point of
view. A (probably over the limit) driver ran into you and you weren't hurt.
There was negligible damage to your vehicle and you lost some time that
could have been put to better use. Under very similar circumstances, a
friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver three years ago. I wish she'd
have been as fortunate as you.
"V.E. Dorn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In Iowa, we want the BAC simply becuase anything over .08 is an automatic
> conviction. The only thing they could argue is if implied concent proceures
> were followed. Not having a BAC doesn't mean it's down the tubes, it just
> means the officer has to show through testimony and witnesses that the
> person was under the influence - not difficult, in fact - I've not heard of
> one lost yet.
>
I should hope that in Iowa 'automatic conviction' remains
unconstitutional, though probably an instruction to the jury
that all the state must prove is that the defendant had
a BAC of or above .08 while driving to prove DWI would
pass muster.
--
FF
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:32:41 -0500, Jules
<[email protected]> wrote:
>David
>
>Sorry what happened to you. I have been rear ended three times.
--snip--
>The worst time a lady thought I was going to
>go from a stop sign and so in her eagerness pushed on the gas to go
>also. I was just creeping up to get a view of oncoming traffic. Next
>day, real sore neck for two weeks. So I imagine you are feeling
>something now.
>
--snip--
Try this (guy thought I was going to go and I decided to wait out that
last car a coming - to be "safe") on a motorcycle w/a full head
helmet. I still have neck problems ~10 years later.
Renata
Renata writes:
>Try this (guy thought I was going to go and I decided to wait out that
>last car a coming - to be "safe") on a motorcycle w/a full head
>helmet. I still have neck problems ~10 years later.
I'm lucky. Rainy day on NY's Taconic State Parkway. I pulled in for some gas.
Lady backed right into my headlight and blaring horn (as much as a horn on a
'65 Superhawk blared). Knocked me down, hard. Came back and wanted to know why
I didn't get out of her way! People think motorcycles can fly, I think, but
they also tend to believe cars have the right away over bikes, even when
backing out of parking spaces. No damage except to an old Limey cardboard
helmet that was mushed a bit.
Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Joe Willmann wrote:
>
> > all the responsibility of the bicyclist to avoid being run over. Just
> > like cars stay out of the way of semis. The more something masses the
>
> Tell that to the cars... They have no idea the lengths we go to in order to
> avoid killing them.
>
> Speaking of irritating vehicles going too slow and being in the way, I hate
> Amish country.
>
> Dude, when you have 15,000 cars backed up behind you for 187 miles, why not
> pull off the freaking road for a minute and feed your horses or something?
>
>
Silvan,
OK, you win -- can't top that one.
On 02 Feb 2004 20:51:12 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Renata writes:
>
>>Try this (guy thought I was going to go and I decided to wait out that
>>last car a coming - to be "safe") on a motorcycle w/a full head
>>helmet. I still have neck problems ~10 years later.
>
>I'm lucky. Rainy day on NY's Taconic State Parkway. I pulled in for some gas.
>Lady backed right into my headlight and blaring horn (as much as a horn on a
>'65 Superhawk blared). Knocked me down, hard. Came back and wanted to know why
>I didn't get out of her way! People think motorcycles can fly, I think, but
>they also tend to believe cars have the right away over bikes, even when
>backing out of parking spaces. No damage except to an old Limey cardboard
>helmet that was mushed a bit.
You had one of them Knute Rockne helmets?
The worst result of a car/bike mishap that I ever saw was between a
car and a bicycle.
A buddy of mine was training to get onto the USA team, back in the day
when Eddie Merckx was still king of the road and the Americans weren't
even second class citizens in that world.
He was pulling a big gear downhill and went to pass a slow moving car.
For some reason, the driver opened his door and my buddy went into it
doing the full tilt boogie.
He never came back from it to a degree that let him compete, and the
Colnago frame was turned into a table lamp.
(He stripped all the Campy stuff off and stuck it on a custom frame
that the insurance money bought for him - but he never got to race
against Eddie Merckx.)
If automobile drivers treat motorcyles like they can fly - they treat
bicycles like they don't even exist.
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Joe Willmann wrote:
> all the responsibility of the bicyclist to avoid being run over. Just
> like cars stay out of the way of semis. The more something masses the
Tell that to the cars... They have no idea the lengths we go to in order to
avoid killing them.
Speaking of irritating vehicles going too slow and being in the way, I hate
Amish country.
Dude, when you have 15,000 cars backed up behind you for 187 miles, why not
pull off the freaking road for a minute and feed your horses or something?
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> On 02 Feb 2004 20:51:12 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie
Self)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Renata writes:
>> >
> ... snip
>>
>> If automobile drivers treat motorcyles like they can fly - they treat
>> bicycles like they don't even exist.
>>
>>
>
> ... and bicyclists treat car drivers like the auto drivers have all
> day's time also, instead of maybe wanting to get home and be able to
> enjoy *their* own hobbies. Where I live, we have a subdivision with
> bicycle lanes -- I don't know why they even wasted the money putting
in
> the bike lanes, the bicyclists still ride right on the white line
> anyway. Saturday a couple of weeks ago coming home from a meeting,
one
> of these rocket scientists decided that it wasn't sporty enough to
ride
> on the white line, he decided he needed about 8" of the auto lane --
he
> of course was fully decked out in all the high-end bicycle foo-foo
> stuff. ... and no, there were no, read again, *no* obstructions or
> objects in the bike lane. In AZ there is a 5 foot rule that cars need
to
> give bikes 5 feet, thus this incredibly self-centered person was
forcing
> cars to either slow down or move over into the other lane.
>
> Sorry to hear about your friend, you just touched a raw nerve -- I
am
> so tired of hearing bicyclists saying that motorists should not be
> offended over having their trip take 30 seconds or 1 minute longer;
on
> some of my Saturday morning trips, if I add that up over all the
> bicyclists it easily adds up to adding 10 more minutes to a trip.
> That's 10 minutes that those folks, who are enjoying their personal
time
> are taking away from my ability to spend my own personal time. When I
> was raised, I was taught that it was the ultimate in being impolite to
> make other people wait for me, these people seem to delight in doing
so.
>
I think bicyclist don't deserve special lanes. They don't pay for them.
Roads are paid for from vehicle and gas taxes. Bicycles don't pay any.
It offends me greatly that the bicyclist thinks he owns the road, can
run stop signs at will, can ignore traffic lights when they want, on a
whim will use pedestrian ways when it is to their advantage, weaves
through traffic causing cars to have to avoid them, and then have the
nerve to whine because cars don't "respect" them. As far as I am
concerned bicycles are nothing more than potential hood ornimates!
Oh by the way, I ride bikes, motorcycles, and drive cars. It is after
all the responsibility of the bicyclist to avoid being run over. Just
like cars stay out of the way of semis. The more something masses the
more right of way it has. Anyone that argues is going to loose.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On 02 Feb 2004 20:51:12 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
> wrote:
>
> >Renata writes:
> >
... snip
>
> If automobile drivers treat motorcyles like they can fly - they treat
> bicycles like they don't even exist.
>
>
... and bicyclists treat car drivers like the auto drivers have all
day's time also, instead of maybe wanting to get home and be able to
enjoy *their* own hobbies. Where I live, we have a subdivision with
bicycle lanes -- I don't know why they even wasted the money putting in
the bike lanes, the bicyclists still ride right on the white line
anyway. Saturday a couple of weeks ago coming home from a meeting, one
of these rocket scientists decided that it wasn't sporty enough to ride
on the white line, he decided he needed about 8" of the auto lane -- he
of course was fully decked out in all the high-end bicycle foo-foo
stuff. ... and no, there were no, read again, *no* obstructions or
objects in the bike lane. In AZ there is a 5 foot rule that cars need to
give bikes 5 feet, thus this incredibly self-centered person was forcing
cars to either slow down or move over into the other lane.
Sorry to hear about your friend, you just touched a raw nerve -- I am
so tired of hearing bicyclists saying that motorists should not be
offended over having their trip take 30 seconds or 1 minute longer; on
some of my Saturday morning trips, if I add that up over all the
bicyclists it easily adds up to adding 10 more minutes to a trip.
That's 10 minutes that those folks, who are enjoying their personal time
are taking away from my ability to spend my own personal time. When I
was raised, I was taught that it was the ultimate in being impolite to
make other people wait for me, these people seem to delight in doing so.
Mark & Juanita writes:
> Sorry to hear about your friend, you just touched a raw nerve -- I am
>so tired of hearing bicyclists saying that motorists should not be
>offended over having their trip take 30 seconds or 1 minute longer; on
>some of my Saturday morning trips, if I add that up over all the
>bicyclists it easily adds up to adding 10 more minutes to a trip.
>That's 10 minutes that those folks, who are enjoying their personal time
>are taking away from my ability to spend my own personal time. When I
>was raised, I was taught that it was the ultimate in being impolite to
>make other people wait for me, these people seem to delight in doing so.
I tend to agree. My wife believes that bicyclists should be licensed and pay
for plates just as car drivers and motorcyclists do...currently, they tend to
create problems for themselves and others, but skate on road costs. This is
especially hurtful in areas where a half lane extra is added to the roads.
My horror has always been kids on bicycles, shooting out from between parked
cars (or, it sometimes seems, dropping from the heavens to light right near
your front fender). That is ALWAYS the driver's fault, even if he's stopped at
a light.
Few sensible people ride bicycles on real country roads. Too many blind curves
and similar problems with people not looking for the cyclists, not expecting to
overtake them, and cyclists riding too far into the road to escape because the
edge and shoulders are torn to hell. Back when my knees would still take the
stress, I wanted to get some exercise using a bicycle, but the road was not
conducive to peace of mind. I joined the Y and made a 25 mile round trip
several mornings a week.
Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
:>Can't speak for anywhere else, but in VA, it's the law that if
:>someone comes up behind you and flashes their lights, you HAVE to
:>pull over and let them pass.
:>Dave in Fairfax
: And in Oregon it's against the law to flash your lights at someone to
: either get them to move over or to get them to dim their lights.
Now that's a stupid law!
They're not getting it...
Renata
On 03 Feb 2004 18:28:18 GMT, [email protected] (JMartin957) wrote:
>>Mark & Juanita writes:
>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your friend, you just touched a raw nerve -- I am
>>>so tired of hearing bicyclists saying that motorists should not be
>>>offended over having their trip take 30 seconds or 1 minute longer; on
>>>some of my Saturday morning trips, if I add that up over all the
>>>bicyclists it easily adds up to adding 10 more minutes to a trip.
>>>That's 10 minutes that those folks, who are enjoying their personal time
>>>are taking away from my ability to spend my own personal time. When I
>>>was raised, I was taught that it was the ultimate in being impolite to
>>>make other people wait for me, these people seem to delight in doing so.
>>
>>I tend to agree. My wife believes that bicyclists should be licensed and pay
>>for plates just as car drivers and motorcyclists do...currently, they tend to
>>create problems for themselves and others, but skate on road costs. This is
>>especially hurtful in areas where a half lane extra is added to the roads.
>>
>>My horror has always been kids on bicycles, shooting out from between parked
>>cars (or, it sometimes seems, dropping from the heavens to light right near
>>your front fender). That is ALWAYS the driver's fault, even if he's stopped
>>at
>>a light.
>>
>>Few sensible people ride bicycles on real country roads. Too many blind
>>curves
>>and similar problems with people not looking for the cyclists, not expecting
>>to
>>overtake them, and cyclists riding too far into the road to escape because
>>the
>>edge and shoulders are torn to hell. Back when my knees would still take the
>>stress, I wanted to get some exercise using a bicycle, but the road was not
>>conducive to peace of mind. I joined the Y and made a 25 mile round trip
>>several mornings a week.
>>
>>Charlie Self
>
>
>We have the same problem around here, but it's even worse. We're in the
>country, in a town with a bike lane on only one road, and few sidewalks. Not
>only do people bicycle in the travel lanes, but they also walk in them.
>
>We have a large town park where people can walk. If they want exercise, they
>should drive there for their walking. Or they can go to the gyms, where there
>are plenty of treadmills or, if they really have to pedal, exercise bikes.
>
>Sometimes you see some dumb woman pushing a kid in a stroller. OK, I know that
>would be tough to do on a treadmill. But if she can't or won't get over far
>enough, and there is another car coming, you have to slow down and if she is on
>your side of the road you might even have to stop.
>
>We get horses on the roads too, and the riders get real angry if you don't slow
>down when you go by because their horse might spook. I'm real glad I don't
>live in Amish country with all those carriages. I sure bet you could have a
>lot of fun scaring them, though!
>
>I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips, especially when I'm
>trying to make the bank by noon. Last time, I was driving on a road with a 35
>MPH limit, and the geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I hit my
>horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even slower!
>
>Kids playing in the street - don't get me started on that one.
>
>What a bunch of jackasses.
>
>John Martin
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:32:23 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:
>:>Can't speak for anywhere else, but in VA, it's the law that if
>:>someone comes up behind you and flashes their lights, you HAVE to
>:>pull over and let them pass.
>:>Dave in Fairfax
>
>: And in Oregon it's against the law to flash your lights at someone to
>: either get them to move over or to get them to dim their lights.
>
>Now that's a stupid law!
As I understand it, the law was enacted to prevent people from
flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of a speed trap - the
other things are just side effects of badly written legislation.
I might add that I don't think it is actually enforced, either.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Tim Douglass responds:
>>: And in Oregon it's against the law to flash your lights at someone to
>>: either get them to move over or to get them to dim their lights.
>>
>>Now that's a stupid law!
>
>As I understand it, the law was enacted to prevent people from
>flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of a speed trap - the
>other things are just side effects of badly written legislation.
>
>I might add that I don't think it is actually enforced, either.
There are literally thousands of these asinine laws on the books, some funny,
most just moronic...but capable of great twisting at the hands of authorities
who lack moral tone. Such laws should automatically be phased out after xxx
years. Maybe 5?
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
"Charlie Self" wrote in message
> There are literally thousands of these asinine laws on the books, some
funny,
> most just moronic...but capable of great twisting at the hands of
authorities
> who lack moral tone.
... and some that downright hurt. The appraisal on my residence for 04 just
jumped $44K in the 6 weeks since the market value was agreed upon, after
protest, for the year 03 ... simply because the law allows them to
automatically increase valuation for tax purposes by 10% per year without
regard to reason.
I am now almost afraid to go down to the appraisal district's eight story,
tax payer built, Taj Mahal and argue with the bastards again ... I stand a
good chance of ending up in jail this time.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/13/04
Swingman responds:
>> There are literally thousands of these asinine laws on the books, some
>funny,
>> most just moronic...but capable of great twisting at the hands of
>authorities
>> who lack moral tone.
>
>... and some that downright hurt. The appraisal on my residence for 04 just
>jumped $44K in the 6 weeks since the market value was agreed upon, after
>protest, for the year 03 ... simply because the law allows them to
>automatically increase valuation for tax purposes by 10% per year without
>regard to reason.
>
>I am now almost afraid to go down to the appraisal district's eight story,
>tax payer built, Taj Mahal and argue with the bastards again ... I stand a
>good chance of ending up in jail this time.
Yeah. There is no such thing as property ownership. You just rent it...from
your local government.
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
Swingman responds:
>"Charlie Self" wrote in message
>
>> Yeah. There is no such thing as property ownership. You just rent
>it...from
>> your local government.
>
>Yep ... and there are any number of law firms standing by to collect the
>principle, penalty and interest, for them.
And with a pal standing there on the courthouse steps, to collect the property
itself at maybe 5% of real value, if the penalty and interest aren't paid.
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Charlie Self" wrote in message
>
> ... and some that downright hurt. The appraisal on my residence for 04
just
> jumped $44K in the 6 weeks since the market value was agreed upon, after
> protest, for the year 03 ... simply because the law allows them to
> automatically increase valuation for tax purposes by 10% per year without
> regard to reason.
Maybe the appraiser looked in the winders and saw that Stickley 708??? :)
Sucks if you plan on living there for a while.
Not so sucky if you're selling, I guess.
On 19 Apr 2004 17:42:35 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
>There are literally thousands of these asinine laws on the books, some funny,
>most just moronic...but capable of great twisting at the hands of authorities
>who lack moral tone. Such laws should automatically be phased out after xxx
>years. Maybe 5?
>
>Charlie Self
>"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
>pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
Yeah, just think. If all laws had a sunset provision the legislatures would be so bogged down re-inacting old stupidities they
wouldn't have time to enact new stupidities. Oh, well, I suppose we can always dream.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:43:36 -0700, Wes Stewart <n7ws@_arrl.net>
wrote:
<snip>
>Even better would be a rule that in order to enact a new law they have
>to rescind two old ones.
>
>Wes
In Robert Heinlein's "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress", the protagonists
have just staged a revolution and are trying to decide on a new
government structure.
IIRC, one of them suggests that they have one body that creates new
laws by a 75% majority vote, while another body does nothing but
rescind laws by a 66% vote.
I just love this idea.
Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
On 19 Apr 2004 17:42:35 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
|Tim Douglass responds:
|
|>>: And in Oregon it's against the law to flash your lights at someone to
|>>: either get them to move over or to get them to dim their lights.
|>>
|>>Now that's a stupid law!
|>
|>As I understand it, the law was enacted to prevent people from
|>flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of a speed trap - the
|>other things are just side effects of badly written legislation.
To get from my house into the city I have to drive through Saguaro
National Park. The road is a winding, up and down, two-lane road with
lots of blind curves. The park actually expanded to include the road,
which is basically a commuter route. Nevertheless, it is a national
park and visitors are often gawking and otherwise lollygagging,
bicyclists are bicycling, walkers are walking, etc. while others are
late for work.
We "Friends of the Park" often flash our lights to warn oncoming
traffic about some hazard or another. Just makes sense to tip off the
unwary. 'Course it works the same when the park ranger is on patrol
[g].
|>
|>I might add that I don't think it is actually enforced, either.
|
|There are literally thousands of these asinine laws on the books, some funny,
|most just moronic...but capable of great twisting at the hands of authorities
|who lack moral tone. Such laws should automatically be phased out after xxx
|years. Maybe 5?
Even better would be a rule that in order to enact a new law they have
to rescind two old ones.
Wes
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Wes Stewart writes:
>
> >Even better would be a rule that in order to enact a new law they have
> >to rescind two old ones.
>
> Make it three and I'll bite. Get rid of the nonsense a shade faster.
>
> Charlie Self
Can you imagine how deeply the congresscritters would be digging into
old laws to find those that they could eliminate without actually giving
up any power? I can imagine deep mining into the congressional archives
to find laws restricting how one hitches their horse. That would work
for a little while, then they'd really have to start trimming real laws.
(Ah well, one can dream).
> "Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
> pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
>
Mark & Juanita responds:
>> Make it three and I'll bite. Get rid of the nonsense a shade faster.
>>
>> Charlie Self
>
> Can you imagine how deeply the congresscritters would be digging into
>old laws to find those that they could eliminate without actually giving
>up any power? I can imagine deep mining into the congressional archives
>to find laws restricting how one hitches their horse. That would work
>for a little while, then they'd really have to start trimming real laws.
>(Ah well, one can dream).
>
>
And after a time, they'd have to abolish the abolishment law to keep from
abolishing the few laws that shouldn't be abolished.
Charlie Self
"Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a
left." Ambrose Bierce
"Neil Williams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vcGfc.39408$U83.20407@fed1read03...
>
> That was me and my 9-months pregnant wife when she started
> bleeding and the doctor said go to the ER NOW! I was blasting
Our situation 'xactly. 7 months pregnant. Praying and driving like a
frickin' wildman.
Almost four years later, I still get stone cold shivers thinking about it.
>Mark & Juanita writes:
>
>> Sorry to hear about your friend, you just touched a raw nerve -- I am
>>so tired of hearing bicyclists saying that motorists should not be
>>offended over having their trip take 30 seconds or 1 minute longer; on
>>some of my Saturday morning trips, if I add that up over all the
>>bicyclists it easily adds up to adding 10 more minutes to a trip.
>>That's 10 minutes that those folks, who are enjoying their personal time
>>are taking away from my ability to spend my own personal time. When I
>>was raised, I was taught that it was the ultimate in being impolite to
>>make other people wait for me, these people seem to delight in doing so.
>
>I tend to agree. My wife believes that bicyclists should be licensed and pay
>for plates just as car drivers and motorcyclists do...currently, they tend to
>create problems for themselves and others, but skate on road costs. This is
>especially hurtful in areas where a half lane extra is added to the roads.
>
>My horror has always been kids on bicycles, shooting out from between parked
>cars (or, it sometimes seems, dropping from the heavens to light right near
>your front fender). That is ALWAYS the driver's fault, even if he's stopped
>at
>a light.
>
>Few sensible people ride bicycles on real country roads. Too many blind
>curves
>and similar problems with people not looking for the cyclists, not expecting
>to
>overtake them, and cyclists riding too far into the road to escape because
>the
>edge and shoulders are torn to hell. Back when my knees would still take the
>stress, I wanted to get some exercise using a bicycle, but the road was not
>conducive to peace of mind. I joined the Y and made a 25 mile round trip
>several mornings a week.
>
>Charlie Self
We have the same problem around here, but it's even worse. We're in the
country, in a town with a bike lane on only one road, and few sidewalks. Not
only do people bicycle in the travel lanes, but they also walk in them.
We have a large town park where people can walk. If they want exercise, they
should drive there for their walking. Or they can go to the gyms, where there
are plenty of treadmills or, if they really have to pedal, exercise bikes.
Sometimes you see some dumb woman pushing a kid in a stroller. OK, I know that
would be tough to do on a treadmill. But if she can't or won't get over far
enough, and there is another car coming, you have to slow down and if she is on
your side of the road you might even have to stop.
We get horses on the roads too, and the riders get real angry if you don't slow
down when you go by because their horse might spook. I'm real glad I don't
live in Amish country with all those carriages. I sure bet you could have a
lot of fun scaring them, though!
I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips, especially when I'm
trying to make the bank by noon. Last time, I was driving on a road with a 35
MPH limit, and the geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I hit my
horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even slower!
Kids playing in the street - don't get me started on that one.
What a bunch of jackasses.
John Martin
JMartin notes:
>We get horses on the roads too, and the riders get real angry if you don't
>slow
>down when you go by because their horse might spook. I'm real glad I don't
>live in Amish country with all those carriages. I sure bet you could have a
>lot of fun scaring them, though!
Around Albany, NY we used to get the occasional horsebacker on the motorcycle
trails. I remember one woman waving me down violently as I came around a curve,
wanting me to slow down. I did, but without thinking, I pulled the compression
release for engine braking. Damned horse went nearly straight up.
Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Mike Patterson wrote:
> I was riding with my mother a couple of years ago and someone came up
> behind her flashing their lights. She said "I'm going fast enough for
> anybody" and ignored them.
Can't speak for anywhere else, but in VA, it's the law that if
someone comes up behind you and flashes their lights, you HAVE to
pull over and let them pass.
Dave in Fairfax
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[email protected] (JMartin957) wrote in message
SNIP
> I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips, especially when I'm
> trying to make the bank by noon. Last time, I was driving on a road with a 35
> MPH limit, and the geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I hit my
> horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even slower!
Yeah when someone rides my ass and honks his horn he's damn lucky if I
don't just stop for a while. If I'm in a hurry though I will keep
going but at about 10 MPH. If he then tries to go around I have been
know to move very much towards the middle.
Dave Hall
(Geezer at 46)
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:36:07 -0800, David Hall wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (JMartin957) wrote in message SNIP
>>
>>> I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips,
>>> especially when I'm trying to make the bank by noon. Last
>>> time, I was driving on a road with a 35 MPH limit, and the
>>> geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I hit my
>>> horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even
>>> slower!
>>
>> Yeah when someone rides my ass and honks his horn he's damn
>> lucky if I don't just stop for a while. If I'm in a hurry
>> though I will keep going but at about 10 MPH. If he then
>> tries to go around I have been know to move very much
>> towards the middle.
>
> Oh, great! Not knowing who is behind you or their reason for
> needing to get somewhere, and you slow down and block the
> road? Could be someone on the way to the hospital or with
> some other type of emergency or someone with a bad disposition
> that wouldn't mind giving you an early listing in the obits.
I've had that experience twice. The first time I was driving a
fire truck (lights flashing, siren on) on a 50MHP road and some
<expletive deleted> idiot slowed down to 20MPH and switched lanes
to drive on the wrong side of the road in order to prevent me
from passing. I picked up the mic and called for police help.
This bozo turned off before the police appeared; but not too
quickly to be greeted by another officer waiting at his home.
Just before we arrived at the fire scene, I got a call from the
dispatcher letting me know that he'd been arrested.
By the second incident I'd gotten a bunch more training and was
(also) a member of the rescue squad. I was responding to a call
about a four year old girl who'd fallen through a picture window
about a mile and a half away and driving my own car (a very
unfiretruck-like P1800E) when it happened again - except that
this time I had no two-way radio. I was stuck behind /this/ car
for almost a half-mile (a thousand thousand eternities) before
I'd had enough, stuffed the shift into first, hit second at
seventy, third at ninety-five, and wasn't watching when I hit
fourth and O/D. I was still the first to arrive on the accident
scene and the kid was lying on the front lawn bleeding from cuts
/everywhere/. I moved so fast my joints ached later; but had the
worst stopped before the next team member arrived. By the time
the ambulance arrived there were five of us working as fast as we
could on this one tiny little girl. We were all trembling as the
ambulance took off. When the reaction wore off, I thought back
over the whole episode and decided that I hadn't handled it very
well - and that if I had to do it all over again, I'd do exactly
the same thing. That evening I resigned from the rescue squad.
When you next decide to block the road, you might consider the
possibility that you might not really know it all.
The little girl in Poughkeepsie survived (just barely); and I'm
pretty sure that the guy who was so determined to block traffic
will never have a clue. Please don't be like him.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Morris Dovey wrote:
> The little girl in Poughkeepsie survived (just barely); and I'm
> pretty sure that the guy who was so determined to block traffic
> will never have a clue. Please don't be like him.
Thanks for posting.
My Dad was an M.D. and about every 5 years he needed to average 100 mph from
our house to the hospital 20 miles away. *Pity* anyone who blocked him...
;-)
-- Mark
"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:32:23 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:
>
> >:>Can't speak for anywhere else, but in VA, it's the law that if
> >:>someone comes up behind you and flashes their lights, you HAVE to
> >:>pull over and let them pass.
> >:>Dave in Fairfax
> >
> >: And in Oregon it's against the law to flash your lights at someone to
> >: either get them to move over or to get them to dim their lights.
> >
> >Now that's a stupid law!
>
> As I understand it, the law was enacted to prevent people from
> flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of a speed trap - the
> other things are just side effects of badly written legislation.
>
> I might add that I don't think it is actually enforced, either.
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
And here in Illinois, we just enacted a law that makes it illegal to drive
in the left lane unless you're actually passing someone.
todd
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:36:07 -0800, David Hall wrote:
> [email protected] (JMartin957) wrote in message
> SNIP
>
>> I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips, especially when I'm
>> trying to make the bank by noon. Last time, I was driving on a road with a 35
>> MPH limit, and the geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I hit my
>> horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even slower!
>
> Yeah when someone rides my ass and honks his horn he's damn lucky if I
> don't just stop for a while. If I'm in a hurry though I will keep
> going but at about 10 MPH. If he then tries to go around I have been
> know to move very much towards the middle.
Oh, great! Not knowing who is behind you or their reason for needing to
get somewhere, and you slow down and block the road? Could be someone on
the way to the hospital or with some other type of emergency or someone
with a bad disposition that wouldn't mind giving you an early listing in
the obits.
-Doug
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:58:56 -0700, "Neil Williams"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:36:07 -0800, David Hall wrote:
>>
>> > [email protected] (JMartin957) wrote in message
>> > SNIP
>> >
>> >> I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips, especially
>when I'm
>> >> trying to make the bank by noon. Last time, I was driving on a road
>with a 35
>> >> MPH limit, and the geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I
>hit my
>> >> horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even slower!
>> >
>> > Yeah when someone rides my ass and honks his horn he's damn lucky if I
>> > don't just stop for a while. If I'm in a hurry though I will keep
>> > going but at about 10 MPH. If he then tries to go around I have been
>> > know to move very much towards the middle.
>>
>> Oh, great! Not knowing who is behind you or their reason for needing to
>> get somewhere, and you slow down and block the road? Could be someone on
>> the way to the hospital or with some other type of emergency or someone
>> with a bad disposition that wouldn't mind giving you an early listing in
>> the obits.
>
>That was me and my 9-months pregnant wife when she started
>bleeding and the doctor said go to the ER NOW! I was blasting
>down the highway at 100mph with the flashers going. I was actually
>amazed that the left lane squatters cleared out of the way very
>smartly for me.
>
>If you're not a cop, please don't take it upon yourself to enforce
>the traffic laws.
>
>--Neil
I was riding with my mother a couple of years ago and someone came up
behind her flashing their lights. She said "I'm going fast enough for
anybody" and ignored them.
I reminded her that the year before I drove kinda sorta fast trying to
get to the ER before I bled to death after injuring myself at home
alone, and that I was very glad she hadn't been in front of me that
night.
She pulled over and let them go by.
Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"dave in fairfax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Patterson wrote:
> > I was riding with my mother a couple of years ago and someone came up
> > behind her flashing their lights. She said "I'm going fast enough for
> > anybody" and ignored them.
>
> Can't speak for anywhere else, but in VA, it's the law that if
> someone comes up behind you and flashes their lights, you HAVE to
> pull over and let them pass.
About 12 yr. ago, a stretch of I76 from Nebraska line to Denver, CO had
signs about every 2 mi. stating "ALL TRUCKS USE LEFT LANE". Right lane was
breaking up and they were trying to even out the wear. I was making that run
about once a week for three mo., and about 4 different times some dodo did
their best to try and get me out of that left lane. Get in front & put on
their turn signals, slow down, you name it, but eventually it would dawn on
them what those big yellow signs said!
If a bear or other emergency vehicle had come up behind me, I would have
moved over, but the only time that happened, thwey came up and blew by in
the right lane.
--
Nahmie
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, 'WOW! What A
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:32:23 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:
>
> >:>Can't speak for anywhere else, but in VA, it's the law that if
> >:>someone comes up behind you and flashes their lights, you HAVE to
> >:>pull over and let them pass.
> >:>Dave in Fairfax
> >
> >: And in Oregon it's against the law to flash your lights at someone to
> >: either get them to move over or to get them to dim their lights.
> >
> >Now that's a stupid law!
>
> As I understand it, the law was enacted to prevent people from
> flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of a speed trap - the
> other things are just side effects of badly written legislation.
>
May have also been enacted because (at least as they taught in
drivers' ed many years ago) flashing one's lights to get someone to dim
their lights might blind the idiot with their brights on and cause them
to lose control.
> I might add that I don't think it is actually enforced, either.
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
>
Mark & Juanita responds:
>> As I understand it, the law was enacted to prevent people from
>> flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of a speed trap - the
>> other things are just side effects of badly written legislation.
>>
>
> May have also been enacted because (at least as they taught in
>drivers' ed many years ago) flashing one's lights to get someone to dim
>their lights might blind the idiot with their brights on and cause them
>to lose control.
>
As they told us, two blind fools don't make for safe driving.
A quick flash, up and down, though, shouldn't really blind an oncoming driver
unless he's in the advanced stages of cataract formation, at which time any
glare is blinding.
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> A quick flash, up and down, though, shouldn't really blind an oncoming
driver
> unless he's in the advanced stages of cataract formation, at which time
any
> glare is blinding.
Then there was one of my "pet peeves" when still driving truck - - the PDOT!
Seems they, in their infinite wisdom, while reworking the Northeast
extension of the PA Turnpike(Philadelphia to Scranton) decided to replace
the old steel guardrails between the lanes with your standard concrete
construction dividers, EXCEPT - - instead of the standard height ones, they
made them about 55" high. This is just dandy for all those brain dead idjits
driving up & down the road with their high beams on, as they don't bother
each other at all. But, they sure do blind trucks going the other way, and
you can flash yor high beams all night long, they never even see it because
those lovely high dividers prevent them from even knowing it!
Rant off.
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"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Oh, great! Not knowing who is behind you or their reason for needing to
> get somewhere, and you slow down and block the road? Could be someone on
> the way to the hospital or with some other type of emergency or someone
> with a bad disposition that wouldn't mind giving you an early listing in
> the obits.
That was my situation about 4 years ago. Will skip the details, except to
say blood was everywhere and we had to get ourselves to the ER fast, or two
would die. I drove like a frickin' maniac.
And I get out of folks way now, when I see the same.
And say a prayer that they're not in a similar situation.
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 02:29:43 GMT, dave in fairfax <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Mike Patterson wrote:
>> I was riding with my mother a couple of years ago and someone came up
>> behind her flashing their lights. She said "I'm going fast enough for
>> anybody" and ignored them.
>
>Can't speak for anywhere else, but in VA, it's the law that if
>someone comes up behind you and flashes their lights, you HAVE to
>pull over and let them pass.
>Dave in Fairfax
And in Oregon it's against the law to flash your lights at someone to
either get them to move over or to get them to dim their lights.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:36:07 -0800, David Hall wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (JMartin957) wrote in message
> > SNIP
> >
> >> I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips, especially
when I'm
> >> trying to make the bank by noon. Last time, I was driving on a road
with a 35
> >> MPH limit, and the geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I
hit my
> >> horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even slower!
> >
> > Yeah when someone rides my ass and honks his horn he's damn lucky if I
> > don't just stop for a while. If I'm in a hurry though I will keep
> > going but at about 10 MPH. If he then tries to go around I have been
> > know to move very much towards the middle.
>
> Oh, great! Not knowing who is behind you or their reason for needing to
> get somewhere, and you slow down and block the road? Could be someone on
> the way to the hospital or with some other type of emergency or someone
> with a bad disposition that wouldn't mind giving you an early listing in
> the obits.
That was me and my 9-months pregnant wife when she started
bleeding and the doctor said go to the ER NOW! I was blasting
down the highway at 100mph with the flashers going. I was actually
amazed that the left lane squatters cleared out of the way very
smartly for me.
If you're not a cop, please don't take it upon yourself to enforce
the traffic laws.
--Neil
We have had people move into small rural areas around here and have the same
complaints. The anwer is, if you want to live there, deal with it. That's
life. Otherwise, move back to the city.
"JMartin957" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> We have the same problem around here, but it's even worse. We're in the
> country, in a town with a bike lane on only one road, and few sidewalks.
Not
> only do people bicycle in the travel lanes, but they also walk in them.
>
> We have a large town park where people can walk. If they want exercise,
they
> should drive there for their walking. Or they can go to the gyms, where
there
> are plenty of treadmills or, if they really have to pedal, exercise bikes.
>
> Sometimes you see some dumb woman pushing a kid in a stroller. OK, I know
that
> would be tough to do on a treadmill. But if she can't or won't get over
far
> enough, and there is another car coming, you have to slow down and if she
is on
> your side of the road you might even have to stop.
>
> We get horses on the roads too, and the riders get real angry if you don't
slow
> down when you go by because their horse might spook. I'm real glad I
don't
> live in Amish country with all those carriages. I sure bet you could have
a
> lot of fun scaring them, though!
>
> I sure agree with you about those Saturday morning trips, especially when
I'm
> trying to make the bank by noon. Last time, I was driving on a road with
a 35
> MPH limit, and the geezer in front of me wouldn't even go 30! When I hit
my
> horn and rode up on his bumper he seemed to go even slower!
>
> Kids playing in the street - don't get me started on that one.
>
> What a bunch of jackasses.
>
> John Martin
>
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
>My horror has always been kids on bicycles, shooting out from between parked
>cars (or, it sometimes seems, dropping from the heavens to light right near
>your front fender). That is ALWAYS the driver's fault, even if he's stopped at
>a light.
>
Amen to that! About ten years ago on vacation, I was driving in the curb lane
of a four-lane US highway going through a residential neighborhood, when a kid
on a bike shot out of a tree-lined driveway and into the street. I didn't see
him, and I don't think he saw me, until he was less than five feet away.
Fortunately for all of us, he made a hard right turn as soon as he cleared the
end of the driveway, and I missed him by all of maybe four or five inches.
I _hope_ I frightened him as badly as he frightened me.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> My horror has always been kids on bicycles, shooting out from between
> parked cars (or, it sometimes seems, dropping from the heavens to
This is called evolution. In the 50s and 60s I lived in Nashvile Tn. I
rode my bike through the city with a friend about 15 miles to go fishing.
We just did it. Today a parent could be arrested for child endangerment
for letting a chjild ride a bicyle around the neighborhood without the
proper helmet. Though town on a bike strapped down with fishing gear would
probably be considered a felony.
Joe WIllmann responds:
>>
>> My horror has always been kids on bicycles, shooting out from between
>> parked cars (or, it sometimes seems, dropping from the heavens to
>
>This is called evolution. In the 50s and 60s I lived in Nashvile Tn. I
>rode my bike through the city with a friend about 15 miles to go fishing.
>We just did it. Today a parent could be arrested for child endangerment
>for letting a chjild ride a bicyle around the neighborhood without the
>proper helmet. Though town on a bike strapped down with fishing gear would
>probably be considered a felony.
Nah. It's called bureaucracy. About the same time, maybe a decade earlier, we
used to ride up and down route 9, the Boston Post Road, in New Rochelle, NY.
Fat tirs, single speed, coaster brakes that worked sometimes. I'd hate to have
to guess how many miles I covered with that old Columbia. Not to mention
skinned elbows garnered on sandy corners in the spring. Helmets were for race
car drivers, and back then a few motorcycle racers also used them.
Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
When I was little, hockey players didn't us helmets. It seems pretty odd
now.
Charlie Self wrote:
>Nah. It's called bureaucracy. About the same time, maybe a decade earlier, we
>used to ride up and down route 9, the Boston Post Road, in New Rochelle, NY.
>Fat tirs, single speed, coaster brakes that worked sometimes. I'd hate to have
>to guess how many miles I covered with that old Columbia. Not to mention
>skinned elbows garnered on sandy corners in the spring. Helmets were for race
>car drivers, and back then a few motorcycle racers also used them.
>
>Charlie Self
>"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
>sure."
>Mark Twain
>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>
>
Remember when that part on rear wheel (bendix?) would give way when you were
standing up pushing for all your might to go up a hill. Sure made you wish
you were riding your sisters bike without the cross bar.
Stuart Johnson
Red Oak, Texas
>Fat tirs, single speed, coaster brakes that worked sometimes. I'd hate to have
>to guess how many miles I covered with that old Columbia. Not to mention
>skinned elbows garnered on sandy corners in the spring.
Joe Willmann <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> >> On 02 Feb 2004 20:51:12 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie
> Self)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Renata writes:
> >> >
> ... snip
> >>
<snip>>
> It is after
> all the responsibility of the bicyclist to avoid being run over. Just
> like cars stay out of the way of semis. The more something masses the
> more right of way it has.
Cyclists should assume they are invisible if they want to live a long
time. However, logic that says "... more something masses (sic) the
more right of way it has... " is like a bully's logic.
Cyclists pay for roads through property taxes, income taxes and sales
taxes. These taxes would probably more than suffice to pay for the
kinds of roads they would need in a car free world. It's not a car
free world and the roads required for the roads needed for such are
paid for by all the above and by gas and fuel taxes.
One thing I forget on a daily basis: when I finally get ahead that
#$#%$ that's slowing me down, there's an endless supply of people in
front of him.
john
I agree completly.
"Cult of Nurse's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Send the f*ckwit to jail, he could have run over a little kid, driving
> drunk at lunchtime.
>
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:48:33 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Morning everyone,
>
>I left work yesterday afternoon to go to Harveys to pickup some lunch. On
>the way back, I was stopped at a red light (first car, curb lane) at a busy
>intersection here in London Ontario for about 10 seconds and then I heard a
>THUD and my Ranger moved forward (I had my foot firmly on the break).
Dave:
This sucks big time but his life sucks worse than yours.
Lest you mistake this for a liberal excuse-fest, I hope the sumbitch
gets serious jug time - and I hope he gets his dumb ass straightened
out before he kills someone.
Hope that nothing shakes out bad for you over the next few days -
physical wise.
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker (ret)
Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
Website: http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
"BIG JOE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yes, this is not nearly as serious in Wisconsin. In your scenario, he
> gets off with just a traffic citation, unless someone is injured, then
> he's f****d.
I was always under the impression that leaving the scene of an accident was
considerably more serious than a traffic citation.