I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going now.
I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in a
crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
Scott
Jointer, though you might want to slide away from the Grizz, based on my
experience.
You may not have as big a sucker as me in your neighborhood, but I'm sure a
lot of folks with planers will help you thickness your stock for the sake of
a board or two, or some potable or other.
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going
now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in
a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> Scott
>
>
Sun, Feb 8, 2004, 8:09pm (EST-1) [email protected] (Scott=A0Linn) says:
I am getting ready to purchase a new tool <snip>
Your money, your choice.
I didn't have either. But, then the Woodworking Gods decided not
only to smile at me, they laughed right out loud (hey, I AM their High
Priest, I look out for them, they look out for me). I was offered a
deal, on a lovely Delta planer, I would have had to be really stupid to
pass on - cost of shipping. I would like to have a jointer, but, can
get along nicely without one; whereas, a jointer alone, with no planer,
wouldn't cut it for me, at all.
The only thing wrong with the planer, is, it's not bright yellow.
But, a bit of time with a paint brush cures that.
JOAT
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum
immane mittam."
(I have a catapult. Give me all your money, or I will fling an enormous
rock at your head.)
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 9 Feb 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
I would buy a planer first. You can joint a board with you table saw.
I did it for a while until I got my jointer. Boards you buy S2S are
not the same thickness and can cause you problems when making various
joints. If you can by boards S2S you can also buy them straight line
ripped.
Ted
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> Scott
Steps for truing stock.
Absolutely necessary. A flat face to work from.
Joint (make flat and straight) one face (reference face) so you have
something to true (reference) the remaining three sides to. Not to be done
on a planer because the feed rollers will push out any warp and it will
reappear as the stock exits the planer. For the same reason use very little
down force when jointing.
Joint one edge with the reference face against the jointers fence. This will
give you a straight edge that is at 90 degrees to the reference face. Also
an edge to reference the next edge.,
Rip a second edge on the table saw with the reference face against the table
and the reference edge against the fence. Try to do it on the jointer and it
will give you a straight edge but not one necessarily parallel to the first
edge.
Now you can plane the piece to a proper thickness with the reference face
flat down on the planers feed table. Since the reference face is flat the
planer has no warp to press out so the face being planed will be not only be
flat but parallel to the reference face.
The jointer performs the two most critical steps in the process (the
reference face and edge) but, with sufficient dicking around, there are work
arounds. but, without the dicking around, the planer will not perform the
functions of a jointer and the jointer will not perform the functions of a
planer.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going
now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in
a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> Scott
>
>
I had this exact same dilemma a couple of years ago. I bought the jointer
first, and it was definitely the right move. You can find lumber with
usable faces (S2S) or (S3S) but its hard to get by without a jointer (unless
you are good with hand planes).
IMHO - You really should use a jointer on any lumber before you plane it
anyway. I just bought a new Dewalt planer - In the owners manual step one
is to joint one face of your lumber - if you don't your just thicknessing
crooked lumber.
Alternatively, there are router tricks and table saw tricks to joint edges
(I've seen them in various magazines and even tried the router trick which
is just a straight bit and a thin shim on the outfeed)...
But seriously, get the jointer.
On 2/8/04 8:09 PM, in article [email protected],
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> Scott
>
>
Get the jointer and but S2S wood until you can get a planer.
In order to properly square you wood when you plane it
you'll need the jointer to surface one side.
Joey in Chesapeake
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going
now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in
a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> Scott
>
>
Why not a good used combination machine .Both Hitachi and makita made
excellent combination machines. the bed on the joiners were longer than most
sinngle purpose machines .....mjh
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going
now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in
a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> Scott
>
>
Scott Linn wrote:
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-
> Day)! Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I
> am also considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in
> rebate going now. I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a
> year before I can get the other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone
> has any advice on a good jig for the table saw or router so that I
> can use them as a jointer and limp by in a crunch I would love to
> have some ideas. Thanks for the help.. Scott
The question come up here frequently. Do a search on Google groups and you
will find many threads.
I have a planer, but no jointer yet. It serves me well, but there are
time I've passed on a good wood buy because it was just not nearly good
enough to use withoug a jointer. I'm able to buy wood and have it
thicknessed and an edge jointed so I have good material to start.
--
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> Scott
>
>
Short answer, you need both. They go hand in hand.
Long answer, what do you plan on making? What tools do you have? I was in the same boat about two
years ago and decided on a planer first. In my circumstance and think I made the right decision . I
wanted a 8" jointer so that made the planer easier to obtain on my limited funds. Also I had a cheap
home made router table to do light edge jointing. When I started out I made a couple of Shaker style
tables using plans from Woodsmith and s2s lumber from Home Depot. I thought being able to thickness
opened up more opportunities since I already had fairly flat stock. With care you can take some cup
out of a board with a planer but you can't thickness very well with a jointer. Getting a straight
edge on a curved board as long as one side is flat can be done on a table saw with a straightening
jig.
Checkout these links:
http://www.plansnow.com/
http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~flip/plans.html
http://www.plansnow.com/tablesawacc.html
http://www.benchnotes.com/Taper%20and%20Straight%20Edge%20Jig/taper_and_straight_edge_ji.htm
Take everyone's opinion and your own circumstances into account when making your decision.
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going
now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in
a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
I tried to get by with a jointer only for a short period, but ran into
immediate problems when my S2S was 13/16" and I needed 3/4". I thought I
could face joint it to size and found out why they have thickness planers.
The real problem was reducing my 6/4 to 1 1/16".
I suppose of the two, the jointer is more vital, but you really need both.
(I got the Delta JT160 from Amazon for $150. Yeh, it is a toy, but it
works. I did it more for space than price; I spent $400 on the lightest
planer I could find.)
"DarylRos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not only should you buy a jointer before a planer, I think a jointer
should be
> bought before a table or bandsaw. Unless you are very good with a scrub
and
> jack plane that is...
Accurate maybe, but not practical advice. Given that most of us have a tool
budget a jointer will do little good with no other tools to use with it. I
bought S4S wood for a long time before I bought a planer. The jointer is
still 4 to 6 months away. Meantime, I've been enjoying about 4 years of
woodworking.
Ed
On 09 Feb 2004 14:42:08 GMT, [email protected] (DarylRos) wrote:
>Not only should you buy a jointer before a planer, I think a jointer should be
>bought before a table or bandsaw. Unless you are very good with a scrub and
>jack plane that is.
I think that's going too far. jointers are nice to have, and frankly
essential for the quick, efficient production of work above a certain
quality level. not too many of us start out at that quality level,
especially before we have a sawing machine, and a neander who prefers
to handsaw all of the time is going to hand plane also.
careful work with the table saw can get you around a lot of the edge
straightening, and a bit of prep with a hand plane before feeding the
thickness planer can handle faces. those were my main truing methods
before I got a jointer, and they do work, slowly.
Bridger
In article <[email protected]>,
"Joseph Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Get the jointer and but S2S wood until you can get a planer.
> In order to properly square you wood when you plane it
> you'll need the jointer to surface one side.
>
> Joey in Chesapeake
>
> "Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> > Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> > considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going
> now.
> > I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> > other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> > the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in
> a
> > crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
> > Scott
> >
> >
>
>
I think Joey's right, but only if you can get S2S boards that are in the
same batch and same thickness. So buy your wood carefully.
Usually, if you have boards, you plane to a thickness, then joint an
edge and rip to the width you need if you're glueing up a top, etc.
That said, I happend to find an old Rockwell 4" jointer for $75 in a
local paper. It needed some of the markers(for thickness, etc. scales)
that I got from Delta. A buddy gave me an old wooden stand and I was in
business. Even got it to work with the Dust-Boy. So at that point I
could make the jointer work, even with long boards so I bought the
thickness planer, a Delta, new and I thus could have both for a little
more than the planer. The 4" has served me well for some 10 years. With
the small shop it's still ok. I'm sorta glad I don't have a larger one,
although sometimes. (If it gets too problematic for a project, I could
use my buddy's 6" Delta...ahem..)
--
Jim Polaski
"The measure of a man is what he will do
knowing he will get nothing in return."
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt - wrong - You cannot get a square board using just a
planer.
This is one of the problems with having the hardwood guy plane your
boards. Usually they just run it thru a planer. If the board was
warped going in, it's going to be warped coming out. Same with twisted
boards.
jb
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:50:24 GMT, Jim Polaski <[email protected]>
wrote:
me batch and same thickness. So buy your wood carefully.
>
>Usually, if you have boards, you plane to a thickness, then joint an
>edge and rip to the width you need if you're glueing up a top, etc.
>
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going now.
> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in a
> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
I don't know about table saw jigs, but it is pretty easy to joint a
board using a good old handplane; even a very rough, fair sized board
can be jointed relatively quickly. With rough wood I usually joint by
hand anyway. Flattening boards by hand is quite a bit more work and
takes some practice. Thicknessing a board by hand is a nightmare.
So although I love my jointer, I don't think I could do with my
thickness planer. For wider stuff (I have only a 6" jointer) I often
flatten by hand anyway when I don't want to rip.
So get the thickness planer first; get a couple of good hand planes and
joint/flatten by hand.
> "Scott Linn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I am getting ready to purchase a new tool for the ol' workshop (B-Day)!
>> Originally, I had planned to buy the Grizzly jointer, however I am also
>> considering the Delta 580 planer...they have a $50 mail in rebate going
>now.
>> I can only get 1 tool and it will be probably a year before I can get the
>> other. Any suggestions? Also, if anyone has any advice on a good jig for
>> the table saw or router so that I can use them as a jointer and limp by in
>a
>> crunch I would love to have some ideas. Thanks for the help..
>> Scott
>>
>>
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This question comes up about every other week (or so it seems) and
honestly you really need both....
But after 40+ years in the hobby (serious woodworking) I have to vote
for a joiner before a planer... unless you spend hours and hours
picking thru S4S lumber ...even the best S4S lumber I puchhased still
was not that good when I got it home and started using it...
I will admit however that this old boy never learned to master a hand
plane to joint or surface a board..IF you are so inclined and have
the patiece to learn how then my answer would be the planer...
Bob Griffiths