Jj

"Jennk"

29/04/2004 4:54 PM

Air Tools/Compressor/Advice needed....

I am purchasing a new home and have decided to use this opportunity to
justify the purchase of a new tool. (Old trick)

My first thought was to buy an air compressor and associated tools. My
thought is that I can use a spray gun to paint the interior walls of the
house with much less effort than a roller. I can also use a nail gun for
molding and other things.

Question: Given my intended use of this particular item, can somebody
recommend a size/brand/or other advice related to this? I'm new to air
tools in general and would like some advice in this area.

Thanks,




This topic has 9 replies

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"mp"

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

29/04/2004 2:26 PM

> I am purchasing a new home and have decided to use this opportunity to
> justify the purchase of a new tool. (Old trick)
>
> My first thought was to buy an air compressor and associated tools. My
> thought is that I can use a spray gun to paint the interior walls of the
> house with much less effort than a roller. I can also use a nail gun for
> molding and other things.
>
> Question: Given my intended use of this particular item, can somebody
> recommend a size/brand/or other advice related to this? I'm new to air
> tools in general and would like some advice in this area.

With nailers, pretty much any compressor will do. For spraying, you need
quite a lot more cfm capacity, and you also need to take into consideration
the requirements of the spray gun, which will vary quite a bit, for example
some guns can run on 4-5 cfm, other guns may require two to three times as
much. You'll also need to take into consideration the duty cycle of the
compressor. If a compressor puts out 10cfm at a 50% duty cycle (usually
rated at max run time per 30 minutes), and you plan to spray continuously
over a long period of time, you'd ideally get something that has double the
cfm required to run your spray gun.

For spraying thoughout your house, you might want to consider a compressor
with wheels for portability. With nailers you can run very long lengths of
hose, for spraying a shorter run helps maintain the higher airflow needs for
spray guns. A compressor similar to the Porter Cable 6025 would be a good
starting point. It's not an industrial quality compressor, but it covers
most of the needs of home users. Plus, it's very quiet compared to most.

Latex paints can be tricky to spray because of their high viscosity. Most
painters who spray a lot of latex use airless spray guns (very high pressure
fluid delivery) or pressure pots, and even then, sometimes thinning is
required. If you go with a non-pressurized spray gun, you'll need to get it
with a large nozzle set to be able to spray latex. To spray clear coats,
lacquers, and other solvent-based paints, you'll need a smaller nozzle set.

I already have a couple of spray guns and a half-assed compressor, but if I
was going to spray a house I'd rent a Kremlin or similar airless system. The
fluid delivery and fan width are significantly greater than most HVLP
conversion spray guns, and airless units typically have a lot less
overspray, even compared to the HVLP guns. You could probably do more in one
day with an airless than you could in two or three days with an HVLP gun.

You can still justify a spray gun/compressor setup to do all your doors,
casing, moldings, etc.

A good resource for spray equipment is www.homesteadfinishing.com, and their
forums at http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/phpBB2/portal.php

They are as knowledgeable as anyone else in spray equipment and techniques.
I've dealt with them before and their service is great, their support is
very good, and they can customize a setup for you based on your specific
needs.



tT

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

29/04/2004 9:00 PM

>Question: Given my intended use of this particular item, can somebody
>recommend a size/brand/or other advice related to this? I'm new to air
>tools in general and would like some advice in this area.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
Find out the air volume needs of the tools you'll be using, then get a
compressor that goes a bit beyond that. Tom

Someday, it'll all be over....

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

29/04/2004 4:35 PM

"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> With nailers, pretty much any compressor will do. For spraying, you need
> quite a lot more cfm capacity, and you also need to take into
consideration
> the requirements of the spray gun, which will vary quite a bit,

<reluctantly snipped>

Very good, informative, post that makes you remember why you read the Wrec
... thanks!

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Jj

"Jennk"

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

30/04/2004 12:52 PM

Thank you so much. I appreciate your help.



LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

30/04/2004 2:48 PM


"Wilson" writes:

<snip>
> The 5 HP compressors at the nome centers are a great buy and will do
> everything but large sandblasting. The verticals are easy to hide in a
> corner or closet. The horizontal on wheels is great if you plan to move
it
> around or loan it out.

IMHO, a 2-stage compressor is far superior to a single stage unit.

I have the 5 HP, 2-stage, /w/ an 80 gal vertical receiver.

Very cost effective package that can supply 15 SCFM on a continuous basis
which is req'd for the spray equipment I use.

HTH


--
Lew

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Wi

"Wilson"

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

30/04/2004 11:04 AM

I prefer the roller, UNLESS the floor and trim are not in. Then you don't
have to worry about overspray. I had a painter prime everything, then we
painted the careful parts with rollers and brushes.
Airless is the way...a good one.
The 5 HP compressors at the nome centers are a great buy and will do
everything but large sandblasting. The verticals are easy to hide in a
corner or closet. The horizontal on wheels is great if you plan to move it
around or loan it out.
Wilson
"Jennk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am purchasing a new home and have decided to use this opportunity to
> justify the purchase of a new tool. (Old trick)
>
> My first thought was to buy an air compressor and associated tools. My
> thought is that I can use a spray gun to paint the interior walls of the
> house with much less effort than a roller. I can also use a nail gun for
> molding and other things.
>
> Question: Given my intended use of this particular item, can somebody
> recommend a size/brand/or other advice related to this? I'm new to air
> tools in general and would like some advice in this area.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>

AB

Andrew Barss

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

30/04/2004 11:14 PM



I recommend using an airless sprayer for house painting. I bought the
mid-range unit (Magnum X5, I think) at Home Depot for about $400.
It sprays VERY fast -- once a room is properly taped off, you can do the
walls and ceiling in a few minutes. And it doesn't require thinning,
which most HVLP guns would.


So, hget a sprayer for latex, AND a nice compressor. Once you have the
compressor, you'll find all sorts of uses for it.

-- Andy Barss

JK

"Jack Kerouac"

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

29/04/2004 9:56 PM


"Tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Question: Given my intended use of this particular item, can somebody
> >recommend a size/brand/or other advice related to this? I'm new to air
> >tools in general and would like some advice in this area.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >
> Find out the air volume needs of the tools you'll be using, then get a
> compressor that goes a bit beyond that. Tom
>
> Someday, it'll all be over....


NEVER!

Dam tool manufacturer's keep producing new tools!


or were you talking about the completion of the house....which is REALLY
never finished, at least with me there is always that little tweaking to do.

JK

"Jack Kerouac"

in reply to "Jennk" on 29/04/2004 4:54 PM

29/04/2004 10:07 PM

I purchased the Ingersoll Rand Model #TS4L5. Why IR? Being the innovators of
air technology and seeing all the contractors tow the IR trailers behind
them in the city, I figured I couldn't go wrong. And I didn't.
For portable operations I also went with IR. I purchased Model #1WF69 twin
tank compressor.
As a home owner I can use any air tool you throw my way and then some. From
running an IR 3/4" drive Impact Gun to a delicate Bostitch headless pin
nailer.

Get some!

"Jennk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am purchasing a new home and have decided to use this opportunity to
> justify the purchase of a new tool. (Old trick)
>
> My first thought was to buy an air compressor and associated tools. My
> thought is that I can use a spray gun to paint the interior walls of the
> house with much less effort than a roller. I can also use a nail gun for
> molding and other things.
>
> Question: Given my intended use of this particular item, can somebody
> recommend a size/brand/or other advice related to this? I'm new to air
> tools in general and would like some advice in this area.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>


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