I have a fantasy and I'm willing to share it with the select few who visit
this news group.
Ready?
In my fantasy I fire up my DC (hummmmm) and then I walk over to my planer
and switch it on (whirrrr). I set the table and feed in a piece of rough
looking lumber and out the other end comes nothing but a satiny smooth board.
No chips, no dust ... just dimensioned and surfaced lumber.
I told you it was a fantasy.
I recently bought the afore-mentioned DC. Although I have NO clue how I'm
going to slide this past SWMBO, now I want to know the CFM's of the DC I
currently own so I can make a better estimate of the CFM's I'll need on
its replacement.
That number is not on the website, in the documentation that came with it,
or on any of the stickers affixed to it. In other words, Central Machinery
would rather I not know.
It's late night Saturday as I write this and I really doubt if I'll get
anything except either a recording or a moron at their 1-800 tech
assistance number.
But maybe one of you might be able to offer a reasonable guess (or even
offer up the correct number!)
TIA
Bill
"W Canaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have a fantasy and I'm willing to share it with the select few who visit
> this news group.
>
>
> Ready?
>
> In my fantasy I fire up my DC (hummmmm) and then I walk over to my planer
> and switch it on (whirrrr). I set the table and feed in a piece of rough
> looking lumber and out the other end comes nothing but a satiny smooth
> board.
>
> No chips, no dust ... just dimensioned and surfaced lumber.
>
> I told you it was a fantasy.
>
> I recently bought the afore-mentioned DC. Although I have NO clue how I'm
> going to slide this past SWMBO, now I want to know the CFM's of the DC I
> currently own so I can make a better estimate of the CFM's I'll need on
> its replacement.
>
> That number is not on the website, in the documentation that came with it,
> or on any of the stickers affixed to it. In other words, Central Machinery
> would rather I not know.
>
> It's late night Saturday as I write this and I really doubt if I'll get
> anything except either a recording or a moron at their 1-800 tech
> assistance number.
>
> But maybe one of you might be able to offer a reasonable guess (or even
> offer up the correct number!)
>
> TIA
>
> Bill
My guess is 800 CFM, maybe 1000 CFM with no hose, and on a leap year. Most
companies are wishing when it comes to CFM numbers for their dust collectors
anyway!
I have a HF 2HP, (Sears HP), dust collector. Hooked up to my 6" Jet jointer
and my Delta table saw at the same time with 2 - 4" hoses it does a
wonderful job of sucking up chips, don't know why your experience will be
any different!
Greg
"W Canaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:47:37 -0600, Greg O wrote:
>
>>
>> My guess is 800 CFM, maybe 1000 CFM with no hose, and on a leap year.
>> Most
>> companies are wishing when it comes to CFM numbers for their dust
>> collectors anyway!
>> I have a HF 2HP, (Sears HP), dust collector. Hooked up to my 6" Jet
>> jointer and my Delta table saw at the same time with 2 - 4" hoses it does
>> a wonderful job of sucking up chips, don't know why your experience will
>> be any different!
>> Greg
>
> Out of the exit side of the planer, very little is escaping. But
> there is a build up occuring at the entrance side.
>
> I'm still getting dust on the top side with my zero clearance insert on
> my Craftsman 10" TS. Little to no dust seems to be escaping elsewhere.
>
> I have a "trash can cyclone" atop a 55 gal fiber drum. While Bernoulli and
> I are not on a first name basis, I don't think that the additional
> volume in the system (vs the recommended 30 gal. can) would make any
> difference after a moment of sucking up the additional idle air. My joints
> are tight. On the TS I closed up the gaping hole at the back by covering
> it about 50% with duct tape. I could not find a pre-manufactured port for
> the planer so I blocked off the existing exit with a scrap of plexiglas
> (kinda cool to watch the chips swirling up!) and cut a 4" hole in the top
> plate (entering the exit chute) to which I riveted a 'universal' 4" port.
> I am only running one machine at a time.
>
> The only 'ugliness' that I can come up with so far is the use of
> corrugated hose. But even there, the max run so far is 20' of heavy duty
> (non-collapsing) hose. This would induce turbulence and reduce the flow
> SOMEwhat ... but would it be enough?
>
> Are my expectations for a DC too high?
>
> I'm asking that in all seriousness.
>
> Bill
No system will get 100% of the dust. An over arm guard on the TS will help
get just about all of it. As for the jointer, you fail to state the
manufacturer, it may help. A larger hose or pipe to the jointer may help
too. Again I doubt you will get 100% of the dust.
I did not block the back of my Delta TS at all. I taped a piece of card
board across it once, but did not see a difference. You need air movement to
do any good, sealing off every opening will reduce the effectiveness of the
DC.
I really need to measure the HF DC. I have the tools available at work to do
so, I just never get to it.
Greg
We posted a pretty descent article on dust collection that might help
you out in the future.
http://www.jettoolparts.com/Dust_Collection_Planning_Setup.htm
You can find the right calucations for CFM.
Let me know if you need any additional information, and I can get a
professional dust colllector technician to send you more
information.
Thanks and good lucK!
Brandon
The Support Team
"Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 05:24:46 +0000, Toller wrote:
>
>>
>>> But maybe one of you might be able to offer a reasonable guess (or even
>>> offer up the correct number!)
>>>
>> They claim 1600cfm. If it does half that I would be shocked.
>> I don't know how big your planer is, but my 12" is not particularly
>> demanding; almost any DC would handle it.
>
> I've had the HF DC for about 18 months. I've been more than pleased with
> it. Hooked up to Delta 13" planer and Ryobi BT3000 table saw. It has taken
> everything I've sent down the line with no trouble. I did change out the
> OEM bags for some 3 micron ones.
>
I am not criticising it. For $170 it is probably a reasonable value.
But the motor draws as many amps as a Jet that claims 650cfm.
The Jet is understating its capacity (unlikely), the HF is a superior design
or manufacture (unlikely), or the HF is overstating its capacity (likely).
The Jet is $85 more; so the HF (assuming it does not break in the first
couple years) is a good value.
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:19:49 -0500, W Canaday <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I have a fantasy and I'm willing to share it with the select few who visit
>this news group.
>
>
My son tested my 2 Hp Grizley and my 1 Hp Penn State
DC'ers a few years ago using one of his measuring devices...
At the suction port the 2 Hp ran in the 800's and the 1 Hp in the
300's... measuring the 2 Hp unit on my Drill press which is located
about 30 foot from the DC came up with a figure of about 200..
under 200...
The 1 Hp is located 3 foot from my planer and it works just fine...
except the bag is too small and fills quickly...can not for the life
of me remember what "we" measured at the machine for it however
I made the mistake 15 or more uyears ago when first purchased the
Grizley and duct taped all the air spaces under my Cabinet saw ...
reduced the dust colection to zero...had no air movement...
I like to remove the fine dust...could care less about chips...my
jointer is not even connected...chips fall in a box...
Bob G.
I think you should consider CFM (which is a rating at the entrance nozzle of
the DC, namely no pressure drop for the line) and head (how much suction).
It is not possible to connect our tools to the DC without using some
connection line which results in pressure drop. Different models have
different designs resulting in different Flow vs head curves. Cheaper units
tend to drop off CFM more as pressure drop in the line increases.
This is one reason why smaller micron bags are recommended - they lower
pressure drop which provides for increase in flow.
The good manufacturers post their performance curves. Do not hold your
breath to find HF's curves.
There are many good DC's on the market. For my recent purchase I went with
a model with the "cannister filter" a pleated fabric inside a steel cage.
Works great and easy to clean. These units have a plastic bag on the bottom
since there is so much surface area in the cannister they do not need the
botttom bag to be porous. This means I can now see when to empty the bag.
I upgraded from a 3/4HP to a 2 HP unit. The old 3/4HP was adequate, but the
2 HP unit is much better - increase in flow and head.
Dave Paine.
"W Canaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have a fantasy and I'm willing to share it with the select few who visit
> this news group.
>
>
> Ready?
>
> In my fantasy I fire up my DC (hummmmm) and then I walk over to my planer
> and switch it on (whirrrr). I set the table and feed in a piece of rough
> looking lumber and out the other end comes nothing but a satiny smooth
> board.
>
> No chips, no dust ... just dimensioned and surfaced lumber.
>
> I told you it was a fantasy.
>
> I recently bought the afore-mentioned DC. Although I have NO clue how I'm
> going to slide this past SWMBO, now I want to know the CFM's of the DC I
> currently own so I can make a better estimate of the CFM's I'll need on
> its replacement.
>
> That number is not on the website, in the documentation that came with it,
> or on any of the stickers affixed to it. In other words, Central Machinery
> would rather I not know.
>
> It's late night Saturday as I write this and I really doubt if I'll get
> anything except either a recording or a moron at their 1-800 tech
> assistance number.
>
> But maybe one of you might be able to offer a reasonable guess (or even
> offer up the correct number!)
>
> TIA
>
> Bill
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 05:24:46 +0000, Toller wrote:
>
>> But maybe one of you might be able to offer a reasonable guess (or even
>> offer up the correct number!)
>>
> They claim 1600cfm. If it does half that I would be shocked.
> I don't know how big your planer is, but my 12" is not particularly
> demanding; almost any DC would handle it.
I've had the HF DC for about 18 months. I've been more than pleased with
it. Hooked up to Delta 13" planer and Ryobi BT3000 table saw. It has taken
everything I've sent down the line with no trouble. I did change out the
OEM bags for some 3 micron ones.
Jim
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:47:37 -0600, Greg O wrote:
>
> My guess is 800 CFM, maybe 1000 CFM with no hose, and on a leap year. Most
> companies are wishing when it comes to CFM numbers for their dust
> collectors anyway!
> I have a HF 2HP, (Sears HP), dust collector. Hooked up to my 6" Jet
> jointer and my Delta table saw at the same time with 2 - 4" hoses it does
> a wonderful job of sucking up chips, don't know why your experience will
> be any different!
> Greg
Out of the exit side of the planer, very little is escaping. But
there is a build up occuring at the entrance side.
I'm still getting dust on the top side with my zero clearance insert on
my Craftsman 10" TS. Little to no dust seems to be escaping elsewhere.
I have a "trash can cyclone" atop a 55 gal fiber drum. While Bernoulli and
I are not on a first name basis, I don't think that the additional
volume in the system (vs the recommended 30 gal. can) would make any
difference after a moment of sucking up the additional idle air. My joints
are tight. On the TS I closed up the gaping hole at the back by covering
it about 50% with duct tape. I could not find a pre-manufactured port for
the planer so I blocked off the existing exit with a scrap of plexiglas
(kinda cool to watch the chips swirling up!) and cut a 4" hole in the top
plate (entering the exit chute) to which I riveted a 'universal' 4" port.
I am only running one machine at a time.
The only 'ugliness' that I can come up with so far is the use of
corrugated hose. But even there, the max run so far is 20' of heavy duty
(non-collapsing) hose. This would induce turbulence and reduce the flow
SOMEwhat ... but would it be enough?
Are my expectations for a DC too high?
I'm asking that in all seriousness.
Bill
"W Canaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have a fantasy and I'm willing to share it with the select few who visit
> this news group.
>
> snipped....
Unfortunately, most Mfg's overstate their CFM by a sizeable amount so even
if they can tell you what it is, it won't be right, more than likely. A
magnahelic or pitot tube setup would be the most accurate to figure this out
but the cost of those will probably be close to what you paid for the DC. I
have found Bill Pentz's site to be fantastic in my quest for a DC. He
describes how to measure the CFM, what you really need to remove the "dust"
(not just chips), etc.... Check it out: www.billpentz.com I believe.
Cheers,
cc