OT- daylight savings time

yep, my problem is the alarm system. about 35 keystrokes (in the proper
order) just to move the hour BACK one.

BRuce

Frank Ketchum wrote:

> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
> time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
> way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
> smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all my
> clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some of
> them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
> which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.
>
> Frank
>
>
>

--
---

BRuce

Frank Ketchum wrote:
> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>David Hall wrote:
>>
>>I like the cut of your jib, Simpson. Um. Hall.
>
>
> What's a jib?
>
>
>>The thing I hate about the Dark Time, as I call it, is rush hour traffic
>
> at
>
>>night, with 300 billion people shining their headlights into your eyes.
>>
>
>
> I think everyone agrees with you on this one.

Hate to be contrary, but *I* prefer morning light. I'm willing to drive
home in complete and utter darkness, but I want to be able to have
sunshine on my way to work. Helps me wake up and puts me in the mood to
face the day.

Night, OTOH, is for the shop. I like it when it's cold, raining, and
dark out when I'm doing my WW. Makes my world focus down to just the
shop, letting me forget everything else.

>
> Frank
>
>

>Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
>time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one

Unlike some other responders, I am in favor of staying on daylight savings time
all year and maybe doubling up in the spring. I HATE when it gets dark at 5:00.
I go to work in the dark and come home in the dark in the winter. Since I am
not much of a "morning person", it could stay dark till noon for all I care,
but give me a little daylight after work. ;)

Dave Hall

In article <[email protected]>,
Frank Ketchum <[email protected]> wrote:

> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.

Here in Saskatchewan we stay on MDT year round.

djb

--
There are no socks in my email address.

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

In article <[email protected]>, Luigi Zanasi
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Just curious, do computers take Saskatchewan's peculiarity into
> account (like they seem to do for Indiana) and not change the time?

My Mac does...

djb

--
There are no socks in my email address.

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

In article <[email protected]>, J.B.
Bobbitt <[email protected]> wrote:

> DST was Ben Franklin's idea.

"Ben Franklin... the only President of the United States who was
*never* President of the United States."

;-)

djb

--
There are no socks in my email address.

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

Rob V wrote:

> Finally - the clock in my shop is correct again!

The shop in my clock is right twice a day, every day, all year round, with
no need to ever changed it. Now that's efficiency!

DST changes are a PITA for me. We like clocks. Betcha I have more clocks
than most folks... Let's see... 12. That's not counting clocks I never
bother to set, like the VCR and microwave. Not counting watches either.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Doug Miller wrote:

> However, not every part of a given time zone observes daylight
> time -- ...Arizona being a couple of examples.

Except that the Navajo Nation which comprises a significant chunk of NE
AZ, as well as portions of NM, UT, and CO does observe DST. If you plan
on vacationing in the 4 Corners area, take a dual time zone watch.
Sheeesh:)

Going to work in the dark AND coming home in the dark, sucks big time.

Jim in Milwaukee

Larry Bud wrote:

> > Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
> > every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
> > changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
> > late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
> > wristwatch or alarm clock.
>
> > I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
> > who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
> > driving to and from work.
>
> I doubt very many, since the time change occurs on the weekend. One
> hour is nothing. Don't you ever travel?
>
> I love being on EDT, and in fact, would love to move the clocks
> FORWARD in the fall to gain daylight in the evening. Who cares if
> it's dark in the morning? But when it's dark when I'm leaving work,
> it sucks.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
> time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
> way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
> smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all my
> clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some of
> them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
> which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.
>

Yep, live in AZ, we just changed time from Pacific Daylight time to
Mountain Standard time. One of the most civil things AZ after having
moved here from TX -- no messing with the clocks-- mechanical,
electronic, or biological. I love it.

Of course, some the radio programs switch times, but that's no big
deal.

> Frank
>
>
>
>

Got that right. I never really had much problem with local time anywhere in
the world, even when I went from tomorrow back to today, except in
Newfoundland, where they split the difference, and go with 3:30 from
Greenwich.

Of course that's only one of the ways Newfies are deliberately and proudly
different.

DST was designed for 45 degree latitude, and assumes less and less
importance as you go north or south.

"Clint Neufeld" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:knUmb.190181$6C4.132023@pd7tw1no...
> Course, I'm up here in Canada, so maybe we do things differently north of
> the border.

Relevance, eh?

I remember those croquet games and barbeques after getting off an afternoon
shift up in Alaska.

Whining aside, even Alaska goes daylight so as not to change the time
difference between itself and businesses in other states which do.

"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >I get up a little before first light, regardless of what the clocks

> If you were here, you would wake up some morning in late April and not
> go to bed until August. :-)

Might as well have been.

Had the morals of a Kennedy, too....

"Dave Balderstone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:271020031856207032%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, J.B.
> Bobbitt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > DST was Ben Franklin's idea.
>
> "Ben Franklin... the only President of the United States who was
> *never* President of the United States."
>
> ;-)
>
> djb
>
> --
> There are no socks in my email address.
>
> "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

Actually, a jib can be larger than the main, and it's found on small
sailboats also.


Renata

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:29:49 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
--snip--
>
>A jib is a small triangular sail that's suspended ahead of the foremast on a
>big sailing ship, incidentally, I think.
>
>--
>Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
>Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>

> Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
> every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
> changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
> late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
> wristwatch or alarm clock.

> I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
> who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
> driving to and from work.

I doubt very many, since the time change occurs on the weekend. One
hour is nothing. Don't you ever travel?

I love being on EDT, and in fact, would love to move the clocks
FORWARD in the fall to gain daylight in the evening. Who cares if
it's dark in the morning? But when it's dark when I'm leaving work,
it sucks.

> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility.

Futility in what? What exactly are you unable to do?

For more info on Daylight Saving Time (not SAVINGS!) see:

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html

Embargo changes

During the Arab-Israeli War in October 1973, Middle East members of
OPEC issued an embargo against the sale of crude oil to Israel's
Western allies. In the United States, gasoline became scarce and
prices jumped 40 percent, crimping the American economy. Following the
1973 Arab Oil Embargo, Congress put most of the nation on extended
Daylight Saving Time for two years in hopes of saving additional
energy. This experiment worked, but Congress did not continue the
experiment in 1975 because of opposition -- mostly from the farming
states.

In 1974, Daylight Saving Time lasted ten months and lasted for eight
months in 1975, rather than the normal six months (then, May to
October). The U.S. Department of Transportation -- which has
jurisdiction over Daylight Saving Time in the U.S. -- studied the
results of the experiment. It concluded:

Daylight Saving Time saves energy. Based on consumption figures for
1974 and 1975, The Department of Transportation says observing
Daylight Saving Time in March and April saved the equivalent in energy
of 10,000 barrels of oil each day -- a total of 600,000 barrels in
each of those two years.

Daylight Saving Time saves lives and prevents traffic injuries. The
earlier Daylight Saving Time allowed more people to travel home from
work and school in daylight, which is much safer than darkness. And
except for the months of November through February, Daylight Saving
Time does not increase the morning hazard for those going to school
and work.

Daylight Saving Time prevents crime. Because people get home from work
and school and complete more errands and chores in daylight, Daylight
Saving Time also seems to reduce people's exposure to various crimes,
which are more common in darkness than in light.

The Department of Transportation estimated that 50 lives were saved
and about 2,000 injuries were prevented in March and April of the
study years. The department also estimated that $28 million was saved
in traffic accident costs.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:42:05 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
>time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
>way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
>smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all my
>clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some of
>them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
>which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?

Speaking of which, I was going to record the hour of TOH classics
last night and the change got me. I got Nahm and half an hour of
programmed crap instead. BUT...

Since it actually saves us money (the gov't using less oil to light
their useless offices) I'm all for it. Granted, it's less effective
than downsizing the gov't by about 80%, but it's here and it's
working, so I'm in agreement with using it.

P.S: It's "daylight saving time", not "savings".

Source: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/f.html

"I saw it on the Web. It _has_ to be true."


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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] says...
> >> In article <[email protected]>, "J.B.
> >Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.
> >> >
> >> Yeah, I did too, when I lived in Illinois and Michigan. It's really
> >not as big
> >> a deal as many of my fellow Hoosiers seem to think -- but it's a pain in the
> >> keister just the same, and you won't realize how big a nuisance it is, until
> >> you move to a state where you don't have to do it any more.
... snip
>
> AZ is *complicated* territory, with regard to the 'what time is it?' question.
>
> Arizona does -not- go on DST.
>
> The Navajo Nation, on the other hand, _DOES_. It sprawls into Colorado,
> Utah, and New Mexico, as well as Arizona, and they chose one standard for
> the entire area.
>
> Then there's the Hopi Reservation, entirely _inside_ the Navajo Nation in
> Arizona. and they _don't_ go on DST. To match Arizona, I guess.
>
> Driving on a straight North-South line, one can change 'time-zones' *FOUR*
> times, all _within_ the state of Arizona. Six times, if you count the
> changes -at- the AZ borders.
>

Wow, I've been here almost 5 years and didn't know that. Got my
"learned something new today" out of the way a little late today.
Thanks.

> >
> >
> >>
> >> Now here in Indiana, we don't have to worry about any of that stuff.
> >Those who
> >> deride us as "old fashioned" misunderstand completely: by being one time
> >> zone ahead of our "natural" position, we're effectively on Daylight Saving
> >> Time all year -- placing us in the forefront of innovative time management.
> >> Together with Arizona and Hawaii, we are leading the nation into the 21st
> >> century. Join us! Call or write your elected representatives now! ;-)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
> >>
>
>
>

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:48:40 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> scribbled

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Frank Ketchum <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.
>
>Here in Saskatchewan we stay on MDT year round.

I thought it was CST. ;-) It's a pain in the butt dealing with you
stubble jumpers, I never know whether you're on Alberta time or
Manitoba time. I won't say anything about the Newfs who are a half
hour late for everything.

Just curious, do computers take Saskatchewan's peculiarity into
account (like they seem to do for Indiana) and not change the time?

BTW, the Yukon used to have its own time zone, until some federal
bureaucrat decided it would be more convenient if it was in the same
time zone as BC. If you examine a map, you will see that all of the
Yukon is west of Vancouver. Alaska Standard Time was originally called
Yukon Standard Time.

Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address

David Hall wrote:

> I go to work in the dark and come home in
> the dark in the winter.

... and I worked at a place that kept me in the dark... <g> Until they let
me go -- on a Friday the 13th, no less.

-- Mark

Then quit. Stay home all day. Enjoy the light.

"Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Going to work in the dark AND coming home in the dark, sucks big time.
>
> Jim in Milwaukee
>
> Larry Bud wrote:
>
> > > Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is
lost
> > > every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time
spent
> > > changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to
people being
> > > late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
> > > wristwatch or alarm clock.
> >
> > > I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
> > > who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they
have
> > > driving to and from work.
> >
> > I doubt very many, since the time change occurs on the weekend. One
> > hour is nothing. Don't you ever travel?
> >
> > I love being on EDT, and in fact, would love to move the clocks
> > FORWARD in the fall to gain daylight in the evening. Who cares if
> > it's dark in the morning? But when it's dark when I'm leaving work,
> > it sucks.
>

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.
> >
> Yeah, I did too, when I lived in Illinois and Michigan. It's really not as big
> a deal as many of my fellow Hoosiers seem to think -- but it's a pain in the
> keister just the same, and you won't realize how big a nuisance it is, until
> you move to a state where you don't have to do it any more.
>
> Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
> every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
> changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
> late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
> wristwatch or alarm clock. I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
> who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
> driving to and from work.

I truly believe the biggest loss of productivity is in upsetting the
circadean rhythm that that 1 hour change makes. I know it took me a
couple of days, especially after the spring loss of 1 hour to really get
back into the swing of things. I really do love not having to go
through that adjustment twice a year now that we've moved to AZ.


>
> Now here in Indiana, we don't have to worry about any of that stuff. Those who
> deride us as "old fashioned" misunderstand completely: by being one time
> zone ahead of our "natural" position, we're effectively on Daylight Saving
> Time all year -- placing us in the forefront of innovative time management.
> Together with Arizona and Hawaii, we are leading the nation into the 21st
> century. Join us! Call or write your elected representatives now! ;-)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>

In article <[email protected]>, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:

>1. Doug has an older version of Windows.

And your point would be... ?

>2. The change is a setting within the Windows program/operating
>system. It doesn't automatically change the time because it simply
>isn't set to do so. It has nothing to do with his time zone.

Right, that's what the "Indiana" choice is for in the Windows "time zone"
setting: year-round EST.
>
>3. He keeps confusing time zones with Daylight Saving Time.

I know the difference perfectly well. You're the one who's confused. Keep at
it, though. I have confidence in you -- you'll catch on eventually.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:42:05 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
>time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
>way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
>smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all my
>clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some of
>them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
>which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
>If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.
>
>Frank
>
>

yeh. im a firm believer that we should change em by 1/2 hour ONCE and
be done with this mess forever. skeez

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:18:34 GMT, "Wayne Weber"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Wrong--most of Indiana doesn't change! Some counties near Chicago are on
>Central time, and some in the southern part go on EDT but the rest of this
>state seems proud of the fact that they are so out of step with the rest of
>the US. The progressive element in the state continues to try to get DST
>time invoked but the natives resist any change at all.
>"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:23:37 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <1067181014.121629@sj-nntpcache-5>,
>[email protected] wrote:
>> >>yep, my problem is the alarm system. about 35 keystrokes (in the proper
>> >>order) just to move the hour BACK one.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
>> >Eastern Standard all year.
>>
>> Most of Indiana does change.
>>
>>
>> Have a nice week...
>>
>> Trent
>>
>> Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
>

I wasn't talking about time zones, Wayne.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

Finally - the clock in my shop is correct again!

"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
> time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
> way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
> smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all
my
> clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some
of
> them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
> which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself
lucky.
>
> Frank
>
>
>

I think there are only two. Arizona is one. Don't know what the other one
is.


"Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
> > There are a couple of states where people pulled their heads out and
> > scrapped this daylight savings crap. How do you save daylight anyway, in
a
> > bottle?
> >
> Please post that list so I may incorporate it into my retirement
> planning file!
>
> Seriously.
>

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RJgnb.5363$P%[email protected]...
>
> I've known that for a long time. Glad *you* finally caught on.
>


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Guys, we've had enough problems with the trolls, we don't need the
regulars getting into public pissing contests too. Would you mind taking
this
one to private e-mail? Thanks.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

------------

Regards,
Frank Ketchum

Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.

-JBB

"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
> time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
> way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
> smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all
my
> clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some
of
> them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
> which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself
lucky.
>
> Frank
>
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
Kai Seymour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>CW wrote:
>
>> There are a couple of states where people pulled their heads out and
>> scrapped this daylight savings crap. How do you save daylight anyway, in a
>> bottle?
>>
>Please post that list so I may incorporate it into my retirement
>planning file!
>

Arizona, outside of the Navajo Nation, or inside the Hopi Reservation inside
the Navajo nation.

Most of Indiana.

In article <[email protected]>, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:12:32 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, "J.B. Bobbitt"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.
>>>
>>Yeah, I did too, when I lived in Illinois and Michigan. It's really not as big
>
>>a deal as many of my fellow Hoosiers seem to think -- but it's a pain in the
>>keister just the same, and you won't realize how big a nuisance it is, until
>>you move to a state where you don't have to do it any more.
>
>Eventually, it'll be a bigger pain for you than it is for us. Many
>time-keeping devices...and probably most in the future...now
>automatically make the change. All my computers changed over this
>year...without asking...as did many of my other electronic devices.
>
And our computers very obediently did *not* change: time zone is set for "GMT
-05:00 Indiana (East)". Ditto for every other clock or appliance in the house.
>>
>>Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
>>every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
>>changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
>>late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
>>wristwatch or alarm clock.
>
>Those folks were fired a long time ago...and have been hired by
>off-shore companies. lol
>
>>I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
>>who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
>>driving to and from work.
>
>The biggest hassle is for payroll departments...for people working the
>11-7 shift.
>
>>Now here in Indiana, we don't have to worry about any of that stuff. Those who
>>deride us as "old fashioned" misunderstand completely: by being one time
>>zone ahead of our "natural" position, we're effectively on Daylight Saving
>>Time all year -- placing us in the forefront of innovative time management.
>>Together with Arizona and Hawaii, we are leading the nation into the 21st
>>century. Join us! Call or write your elected representatives now! ;-)
>
>Check the link I sent. Many folks in Indiana deal with the same
>problem as us...although not most counties as I stated.

The vast majority of the population of Indiana lives in counties that do not
change. Fully one-fourth of the population lives in Indianapolis and the
surrounding area. Fort Wayne, South Bend, Kokomo, Anderson, Lafayette,
Bloomington, and Terre Haute don't change time either.

>And DST has nothing to do with time zones. If I'm correct, all time
>zones are affected by DST.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. Each time zone within the United
States, at least, has both standard time and daylight saving time at different
times of the year. In every case, daylight time is one hour later than
standard time. However, not every part of a given time zone observes daylight
time -- Indiana and Arizona being a couple of examples.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David Hall wrote:
>
> I like the cut of your jib, Simpson. Um. Hall.

What's a jib?

>
> The thing I hate about the Dark Time, as I call it, is rush hour traffic
at
> night, with 300 billion people shining their headlights into your eyes.
>

I think everyone agrees with you on this one.

Frank

I was close. Three states, not two.


"Saudade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Daylight Saving Time, for the U.S. and its territories, is NOT observed
in
> Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, the Eastern
> Time Zone portion of the State of Indiana, and by most of Arizona (with
the
> exception of the Navajo Indian Reservation in Arizona)."
>
>

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Tqknb.5479$P%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Frank
Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Guilty as charged, your honor.

lol

>
> I've concluded that Trent's a troll, too, and added him to my killfile. (I
may
> be the last one here to have done so.)

Probably. Just looking at my subject headers it looks like you are carrying
on quite a conversation with yourself!

Frank

In article <_dUmb.35747$Tr4.65897@attbi_s03>, "Wayne Weber" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Wrong--most of Indiana doesn't change! Some counties near Chicago are on
>Central time, and some in the southern part go on EDT but the rest of this
>state seems proud of the fact that they are so out of step with the rest of
>the US. The progressive element in the state continues to try to get DST
>time invoked but the natives resist any change at all.

That's because effectively, we're already on Daylight time, all the time, and
most of us don't discern any benefit from changing things. Astronomically
speaking, Indiana belongs in the Central time zone, not the Eastern, thus
being on permanent EST is functionally equivalent to having DST year-round
anyway. Our clocks are nearly an hour ahead of the sun as it is; if we were on
EDT in the summer, they'd be almost two hours out of sync.

Only two options make any sense: go back to the Central time zone (where we
used to be) and go on CDT with the rest of the Central zone (as we used to),
or keep the status quo.

Me, I like not having to change the clocks twice a year.

>"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:23:37 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <1067181014.121629@sj-nntpcache-5>,
>[email protected] wrote:
>> >>yep, my problem is the alarm system. about 35 keystrokes (in the proper
>> >>order) just to move the hour BACK one.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
>> >Eastern Standard all year.
>>
>> Most of Indiana does change.
>>
You have no idea what you're talking about.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

In article <[email protected]>, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:11:42 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>>
>>And our computers very obediently did *not* change: time zone is set for "GMT
>>-05:00 Indiana (East)". Ditto for every other clock or appliance in the house.
>
>The time didn't change on your computer only because that's the way
>you have it configured to work...on 98.

No kidding, Einstein. My post makes that *very* clear.
Glad *you* finally caught on.

>>>Check the link I sent. Many folks in Indiana deal with the same
>>>problem as us...although not most counties as I stated.
>>
>>The vast majority of the population of Indiana lives in counties that do not
>>change. Fully one-fourth of the population lives in Indianapolis and the
>>surrounding area. Fort Wayne, South Bend, Kokomo, Anderson, Lafayette,
>>Bloomington, and Terre Haute don't change time either.
>
>I conceded that point...as I mentioned above.

No, that's not the point you conceded. Evidently, you haven't quite overcome
your reading comprehension problem yet. Look at Cook County, Illinois to help
you understand the difference between "most counties" and "majority of the
population".

>But some counties in Indiana do adhere to DST.

I've known that for a long time. Glad *you* finally caught on.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

In article <[email protected]>, "Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=35Smb.365%24Y66.31%4
>0newssvr24.news.prodigy.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dmicro%2Bgroup:rec.woodwor
>king%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Drec.woodworking%26scoring%3Dd
>
>Guys, we've had enough problems with the trolls, we don't need the
>regulars getting into public pissing contests too. Would you mind taking
>this
>one to private e-mail? Thanks.
>
Guilty as charged, your honor.

I've concluded that Trent's a troll, too, and added him to my killfile. (I may
be the last one here to have done so.)

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Frank Ketchum wrote:
>
> >> I like the cut of your jib, Simpson. Um. Hall.
> >
> > What's a jib?
>
> It's a quote from the Simpsons' TV show... Mr. Burns talking to Homer
about
> something or other.
>

I knew what you were referring to. Homer then says "what's a jib?"

Frank

don't the new episodes suck?

There are a couple of states where people pulled their heads out and
scrapped this daylight savings crap. How do you save daylight anyway, in a
bottle?


"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
> Eastern Standard all year.
>

Half the year, I am an hour early, the other half, an hour late...

"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
> time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
> way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
> smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all
my
> clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some
of
> them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
> which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself
lucky.
>
> Frank
>
>
>

In news:P9Gnb.40987$9E1.165993@attbi_s52,
CW <[email protected]> typed:
> I was close. Three states, not two.
>
>
> "Saudade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Daylight Saving Time, for the U.S. and its territories, is NOT
>> observed in Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin
>> Islands, the Eastern Time Zone portion of the State of Indiana, and
>> by most of Arizona (with the exception of the Navajo Indian
>> Reservation in Arizona)."

Close enough. I'll send you a cigar. ;)

In article <1067181014.121629@sj-nntpcache-5>, [email protected] wrote:
>yep, my problem is the alarm system. about 35 keystrokes (in the proper
>order) just to move the hour BACK one.
>

Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
Eastern Standard all year.

>
>Frank Ketchum wrote:
>
>> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
>> time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
>> way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
>> smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all my
>> clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some of
>> them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
>> which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>>
>>
>> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Wrong--most of Indiana doesn't change! Some counties near Chicago are on
Central time, and some in the southern part go on EDT but the rest of this
state seems proud of the fact that they are so out of step with the rest of
the US. The progressive element in the state continues to try to get DST
time invoked but the natives resist any change at all.
"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:23:37 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <1067181014.121629@sj-nntpcache-5>,
[email protected] wrote:
> >>yep, my problem is the alarm system. about 35 keystrokes (in the proper
> >>order) just to move the hour BACK one.
> >>
> >
> >Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
> >Eastern Standard all year.
>
> Most of Indiana does change.
>
>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent
>
> Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:42:05 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
>time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
>way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
>smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all my
>clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some of
>them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
>which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
>If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.

I get up a little before first light, regardless of what the clocks
say.

The rest of the day is divided according to:

Before Breakfast.
Breakfast.
Coffee Break.
Lunch.
Afternoon Break.
Dinner.
After Dinner.
Bedtime.


Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:12:32 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.
>>
>Yeah, I did too, when I lived in Illinois and Michigan. It's really not as big
>a deal as many of my fellow Hoosiers seem to think -- but it's a pain in the
>keister just the same, and you won't realize how big a nuisance it is, until
>you move to a state where you don't have to do it any more.

Eventually, it'll be a bigger pain for you than it is for us. Many
time-keeping devices...and probably most in the future...now
automatically make the change. All my computers changed over this
year...without asking...as did many of my other electronic devices.

>
>Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
>every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
>changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
>late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
>wristwatch or alarm clock.

Those folks were fired a long time ago...and have been hired by
off-shore companies. lol

>I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
>who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
>driving to and from work.

The biggest hassle is for payroll departments...for people working the
11-7 shift.

>Now here in Indiana, we don't have to worry about any of that stuff. Those who
>deride us as "old fashioned" misunderstand completely: by being one time
>zone ahead of our "natural" position, we're effectively on Daylight Saving
>Time all year -- placing us in the forefront of innovative time management.
>Together with Arizona and Hawaii, we are leading the nation into the 21st
>century. Join us! Call or write your elected representatives now! ;-)

Check the link I sent. Many folks in Indiana deal with the same
problem as us...although not most counties as I stated.

And DST has nothing to do with time zones. If I'm correct, all time
zones are affected by DST.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

In article <[email protected]>,
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> In article <[email protected]>, "J.B.
>Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.
>> >
>> Yeah, I did too, when I lived in Illinois and Michigan. It's really
>not as big
>> a deal as many of my fellow Hoosiers seem to think -- but it's a pain in the
>> keister just the same, and you won't realize how big a nuisance it is, until
>> you move to a state where you don't have to do it any more.
>>
>> Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
>> every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
>> changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
>> late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
>> wristwatch or alarm clock. I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
>> who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
>> driving to and from work.
>
> I truly believe the biggest loss of productivity is in upsetting the
>circadean rhythm that that 1 hour change makes. I know it took me a
>couple of days, especially after the spring loss of 1 hour to really get
>back into the swing of things. I really do love not having to go
>through that adjustment twice a year now that we've moved to AZ.

AZ is *complicated* territory, with regard to the 'what time is it?' question.

Arizona does -not- go on DST.

The Navajo Nation, on the other hand, _DOES_. It sprawls into Colorado,
Utah, and New Mexico, as well as Arizona, and they chose one standard for
the entire area.

Then there's the Hopi Reservation, entirely _inside_ the Navajo Nation in
Arizona. and they _don't_ go on DST. To match Arizona, I guess.

Driving on a straight North-South line, one can change 'time-zones' *FOUR*
times, all _within_ the state of Arizona. Six times, if you count the
changes -at- the AZ borders.

>
>
>>
>> Now here in Indiana, we don't have to worry about any of that stuff.
>Those who
>> deride us as "old fashioned" misunderstand completely: by being one time
>> zone ahead of our "natural" position, we're effectively on Daylight Saving
>> Time all year -- placing us in the forefront of innovative time management.
>> Together with Arizona and Hawaii, we are leading the nation into the 21st
>> century. Join us! Call or write your elected representatives now! ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>>

Doug Miller wrote:

> Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
> every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
> changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
> late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
> wristwatch or alarm clock. I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
> who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
> driving to and from work.
>
--
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)


A couple years ago I came across a study that showed exactly what you
postulate. Productivity decreases while accidents (industrial,
automobile) increase in the week following the time change, (more so in
the spring after losing an hour of sleep).

I would love to see us dispense with this nonsense, and I don't much
care at which point we S*&%#@N it, just stop with the F&*%@#G changing
of the G#$-%@!N clocks already.

CW wrote:

> There are a couple of states where people pulled their heads out and
> scrapped this daylight savings crap. How do you save daylight anyway, in a
> bottle?
>
Please post that list so I may incorporate it into my retirement
planning file!

Seriously.

NOT going to work sucks too, Jim!

dave

Jim wrote:

> Going to work in the dark AND coming home in the dark, sucks big time.
>
> Jim in Milwaukee
>
> Larry Bud wrote:
>
snip

On 27 Oct 2003 04:30:39 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:

>> Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
>> every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
>> changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
>> late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
>> wristwatch or alarm clock.
>
>> I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
>> who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
>> driving to and from work.
>
>I doubt very many, since the time change occurs on the weekend. One
>hour is nothing. Don't you ever travel?

I love it when you can get to your destination before you even took
off! lol


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

As is my car.


"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Finally - the clock in my shop is correct again!
>
>

I think we should do away with DLST, I am sick and tired of loosing the hour
every Spring.


"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
> time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
> way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
> smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all
my
> clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some
of
> them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
> which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
>
> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself
lucky.
>
> Frank
>
>
>

I quit smoking about a year ago.

"Saudade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:YW%[email protected]...
> In news:P9Gnb.40987$9E1.165993@attbi_s52,
> CW <[email protected]> typed:
> > I was close. Three states, not two.
> >
> >
> > "Saudade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> "Daylight Saving Time, for the U.S. and its territories, is NOT
> >> observed in Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin
> >> Islands, the Eastern Time Zone portion of the State of Indiana, and
> >> by most of Arizona (with the exception of the Navajo Indian
> >> Reservation in Arizona)."
>
> Close enough. I'll send you a cigar. ;)
>
>

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Jgonb.36086$9E1.143438@attbi_s52>...
> I think there are only two. Arizona is one. Don't know what the other one
> is.
>
>
> "Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > CW wrote:
> >
> > > There are a couple of states where people pulled their heads out and
> > > scrapped this daylight savings crap. How do you save daylight anyway, in
> a
> > > bottle?
> > >
> > Please post that list so I may incorporate it into my retirement
> > planning file!
> >
> > Seriously.
> >

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Jgonb.36086$9E1.143438@attbi_s52>...
> I think there are only two. Arizona is one. Don't know what the other one
> is.
>

Arizona is one and the part of Indiana that is not close to Chicago
is the other. The effect is that Indiana has two time zones when
Chicago is on CST and one when Chicago is on CDT.

--

FF

In news:[email protected],
Fred the Red Shirt <[email protected]> typed:
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<Jgonb.36086$9E1.143438@attbi_s52>...
>> I think there are only two. Arizona is one. Don't know what the
>> other one
>> is.
>>
>>
>> "Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> CW wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are a couple of states where people pulled their heads out
>>>> and
>>>> scrapped this daylight savings crap. How do you save daylight
>>>> anyway, in
>> a
>>>> bottle?
>>>>
>>> Please post that list so I may incorporate it into my retirement
>>> planning file!
>>>
>>> Seriously.
>>>
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<Jgonb.36086$9E1.143438@attbi_s52>...
>> I think there are only two. Arizona is one. Don't know what the
>> other one
>> is.
>>
>
> Arizona is one and the part of Indiana that is not close to Chicago
> is the other. The effect is that Indiana has two time zones when
> Chicago is on CST and one when Chicago is on CDT.

from: http://tf.nist.gov/general/daylightsavingtime.html

"Daylight Saving Time, for the U.S. and its territories, is NOT observed in
Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, the Eastern
Time Zone portion of the State of Indiana, and by most of Arizona (with the
exception of the Navajo Indian Reservation in Arizona)."

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:39:43 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>That's because effectively, we're already on Daylight time, all the time, and
>most of us don't discern any benefit from changing things. Astronomically
>speaking, Indiana belongs in the Central time zone, not the Eastern, thus
>being on permanent EST is functionally equivalent to having DST year-round
>anyway. Our clocks are nearly an hour ahead of the sun as it is; if we were on
>EDT in the summer, they'd be almost two hours out of sync.
>
>Only two options make any sense: go back to the Central time zone (where we
>used to be) and go on CDT with the rest of the Central zone (as we used to),
>or keep the status quo.
>
>Me, I like not having to change the clocks twice a year.

I wish I didn't hafta either.

Here's some good reading...

http://www.mccsc.edu/time.html#WHAT


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

On 27 Oct 2003 04:38:48 -0800, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
wrote:

>> Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility.

<much good stuff snipped>

Thanks for the post, Larry...very interesting.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

This is one honkin' long thread. A good portion of us lost the hour we
gained last Sunday, and then some.

Go figure.

DST was Ben Franklin's idea. You can all get even by cleansing your wallets
of all those bills with his picture on them..... you can mail them to me,
I'll take care of 'em.

-JBB

"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility.
>
> Futility in what? What exactly are you unable to do?
>

I only meant that in the sense that I will just be changing everything back
in 6 months anyhow. Kind of a joke, you know?
I understand why we do it and I don't disagree with it, it is just one more
chore that needs to be done.

Cheers
Frank

In article <[email protected]>, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.
>
Yeah, I did too, when I lived in Illinois and Michigan. It's really not as big
a deal as many of my fellow Hoosiers seem to think -- but it's a pain in the
keister just the same, and you won't realize how big a nuisance it is, until
you move to a state where you don't have to do it any more.

Beyond the nuisance factor, though, I wonder how much productivity is lost
every year due to the semiannual time changes. Not just in the time spent
changing clocks, either. I wonder about productivity lost due to people being
late for work or missing a meeting because someone forgot to change a
wristwatch or alarm clock. I wonder about mistakes made on the job by people
who were shorted an hour of sleep in the spring, or the accidents they have
driving to and from work.

Now here in Indiana, we don't have to worry about any of that stuff. Those who
deride us as "old fashioned" misunderstand completely: by being one time
zone ahead of our "natural" position, we're effectively on Daylight Saving
Time all year -- placing us in the forefront of innovative time management.
Together with Arizona and Hawaii, we are leading the nation into the 21st
century. Join us! Call or write your elected representatives now! ;-)

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Are you serious, about the government saving money by not lighting their
offices? I can't remember the last time I saw lights turned off in any
reasonably sized office, govern-mental or not, while people are working in
them. Even in the summer, middle of the afternoon...

Course, I'm up here in Canada, so maybe we do things differently north of
the border. And of course, up here, by the time December rolls around it's
dark before we get into the office and it's dark when we leave. So
switching to DLST accomplishes not much, as far as I can tell. And I don't
mind switching clocks so much as trying to get the kids to adjust.

Clint

"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:42:05 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
> >time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
> >way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
> >smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all
my
> >clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some
of
> >them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
> >which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>
> Speaking of which, I was going to record the hour of TOH classics
> last night and the change got me. I got Nahm and half an hour of
> programmed crap instead. BUT...
>
> Since it actually saves us money (the gov't using less oil to light
> their useless offices) I'm all for it. Granted, it's less effective
> than downsizing the gov't by about 80%, but it's here and it's
> working, so I'm in agreement with using it.
>
> P.S: It's "daylight saving time", not "savings".
>
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>
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>
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:23:37 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <1067181014.121629@sj-nntpcache-5>, [email protected] wrote:
>>yep, my problem is the alarm system. about 35 keystrokes (in the proper
>>order) just to move the hour BACK one.
>>
>
>Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
>Eastern Standard all year.

Most of Indiana does change.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

Hrumph, I emailed that to my Senators and Representatives last year, and
of course was ignored. When you include watches, vehicles, TVs etc I
have 19 of those little suck-faces to reset twice/year. Only 3 are
smart enough to do it themselves.

Leon wrote:

> I think we should do away with DLST, I am sick and tired of loosing the hour
> every Spring.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:11:42 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:12:32 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, "J.B. Bobbitt"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Somehow, I've been able to deal with it. Go figure.
>>>>
>>>Yeah, I did too, when I lived in Illinois and Michigan. It's really not as big
>>
>>>a deal as many of my fellow Hoosiers seem to think -- but it's a pain in the
>>>keister just the same, and you won't realize how big a nuisance it is, until
>>>you move to a state where you don't have to do it any more.
>>
>>Eventually, it'll be a bigger pain for you than it is for us. Many
>>time-keeping devices...and probably most in the future...now
>>automatically make the change. All my computers changed over this
>>year...without asking...as did many of my other electronic devices.
>>
>And our computers very obediently did *not* change: time zone is set for "GMT
>-05:00 Indiana (East)". Ditto for every other clock or appliance in the house.

The time didn't change on your computer only because that's the way
you have it configured to work...on 98.

>>Check the link I sent. Many folks in Indiana deal with the same
>>problem as us...although not most counties as I stated.
>
>The vast majority of the population of Indiana lives in counties that do not
>change. Fully one-fourth of the population lives in Indianapolis and the
>surrounding area. Fort Wayne, South Bend, Kokomo, Anderson, Lafayette,
>Bloomington, and Terre Haute don't change time either.

I conceded that point...as I mentioned above.

But some counties in Indiana do adhere to DST.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

In article <[email protected]>, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:18:34 GMT, "Wayne Weber"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Wrong--most of Indiana doesn't change! Some counties near Chicago are on
>>Central time, and some in the southern part go on EDT
[snip]
>>> >
>>> >Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
>>> >Eastern Standard all year.
>>>
>>> Most of Indiana does change.
>
>I wasn't talking about time zones, Wayne.
>
Oh, I get it now -- you're picking nits again. _Of_course_ it changes: it's
9:58 pm as I write this, and in a minute it's gonna be 9:59 pm. How clever of
you. Just like my kids, except they outgrew that sort of jokes around age six.

OTOH, if you weren't picking nits again... you're wrong.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:13:00 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:48:40 -0600, Dave Balderstone
><[email protected]> scribbled
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>Frank Ketchum <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.
>>
>>Here in Saskatchewan we stay on MDT year round.
>
>I thought it was CST. ;-) It's a pain in the butt dealing with you
>stubble jumpers, I never know whether you're on Alberta time or
>Manitoba time. I won't say anything about the Newfs who are a half
>hour late for everything.
>
>Just curious, do computers take Saskatchewan's peculiarity into
>account (like they seem to do for Indiana) and not change the time?

1. Doug has an older version of Windows.

2. The change is a setting within the Windows program/operating
system. It doesn't automatically change the time because it simply
isn't set to do so. It has nothing to do with his time zone.

3. He keeps confusing time zones with Daylight Saving Time.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

David Hall wrote:

> dark at 5:00. I go to work in the dark and come home in the dark in the
> winter. Since I am not much of a "morning person", it could stay dark till
> noon for all I care, but give me a little daylight after work. ;)

I like the cut of your jib, Simpson. Um. Hall.

The thing I hate about the Dark Time, as I call it, is rush hour traffic at
night, with 300 billion people shining their headlights into your eyes.

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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:08:55 GMT, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> scribbled

>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:42:05 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Yes it's time again for our bi-annual exercise in futility. That special
>>time of year when we are all supposed to adjust our clocks by an hour one
>>way or the other. Although lately, I've noticed that a lot of clocks are
>>smart enough to adjust themselves so what happens now is instead of all my
>>clocks being off for an hour until I get around to fixing them, only some of
>>them are off. What fun it is to try to remember which clocks are right,
>>which are wrong, and how do I set that f*#%ing clock on the stove again?
>>
>>
>>If any of you don't know what I am talking about, consider yourself lucky.
>
>I get up a little before first light, regardless of what the clocks
>say.

<snip>

If you were here, you would wake up some morning in late April and not
go to bed until August. :-)

Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address

Frank Ketchum wrote:

>> I like the cut of your jib, Simpson. Um. Hall.
>
> What's a jib?

It's a quote from the Simpsons' TV show... Mr. Burns talking to Homer about
something or other.

Sorry. I have no idea why I said that particular thing.

A jib is a small triangular sail that's suspended ahead of the foremast on a
big sailing ship, incidentally, I think.

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In article <Wc0nb.29242$9E1.109643@attbi_s52>, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>There are a couple of states where people pulled their heads out and
>scrapped this daylight savings crap. How do you save daylight anyway, in a
>bottle?
>
Of course, you only borrow it from the beginning of the day. I'll bet the
people who are pushing for us (Indiana) to go on DST have never had to try to
get a little kid to go to sleep when it's still light outside at 9 pm.
>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Boy, I'm glad I live in Indiana, where we don't change time. We stay on
>> Eastern Standard all year.
>>
>
>

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)