I took her papers on in February of 1987.
She was crisp and pretty then. Paint was so red that you could never
again think of red without thinking about the color of that truck.
Sure, it was a small six cylinder but it could pull like blazes and
the "poor man's four wheel drive" of the limited slip did wonders in
the mud and snow.
She was a proud girl and hauled my tools and wood around for fifteen
years without complaint.
When my knees got so bad that I couldn't work the shop anymore, she
ran commuter duty for a couple of years, until I bought a little car
to take up the slack.
I ran her dry on the turnpike one day and busted her head gasket a
little bit but KW fixed that up right smart.
She's out in the driveway now and only goes out to pick up wood, or to
take us on a camping trip, or a fishing trip. She picks up the odd
plant or tree for the yard - something a little too dirty for the
regular cars.
That's her retirement, to give us pleasure in our pursuits and not be
chained to the day to day responsibilities of back and forth to work.
She only gets fired up on the weekends but this seems to be enough for
her.
I would not like to be without a truck.
My old girl has made that possible.
God bless Henry Ford.
God Bless America.
God bless KW.
Regards,
Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure, it was a small six cylinder but it could pull like blazes and
> the "poor man's four wheel drive" of the limited slip did wonders in
> the mud and snow.
We had to settle for "poor man's Positrac": riding the emergency brake
to force power to the other wheel.
Kevin
Swingman wrote:
> "Tom Watson" wrote in message
>
> > I would not like to be without a truck.
>
> For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to a man
> (or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed a
> conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
>
> Give her a pat on the fender for me.
I downsized a few years ago, sold my '87 Dodge--also a 6, like
Tom's--with 200,000 ready to come up on the meter. But I didn't slip
away from trucks. I went to an S10, which is currently having the hood
and front bumper repainted, courtesy of a granddaughter's husband.
He'll also do the ratty old fiberglass cap I bought for its rear, in
the same color (gray) as the truck. The cap will then spend its life in
six month chunks, one of which it rides on the truck, the other in
which it resides on concrete blocks.
But being without a truck really isn't an option around here. With no
garbage pick-up, we need at least weekly runs to the dump. I'm always
needing a board or six for something (though the short S10
bed--72"--limits that more than did the 8' bed of my old Dodge), and
tools need to be transported. Also, tools for tests cannot be delivered
here by semi- My shop is down in the back lot, there's a 45 deg. turn
at the bottom of the drive, and nowhere to turn around at the shop. At
least nowhere for something that large.
Charlie Self wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
> > "Tom Watson" wrote in message
> >
> > > I would not like to be without a truck.
> >
> > For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to a man
> > (or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed a
> > conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
> >
> > Give her a pat on the fender for me.
>
> I downsized a few years ago, sold my '87 Dodge--also a 6, like
> Tom's--with 200,000 ready to come up on the meter. But I didn't slip
> away from trucks. I went to an S10, which is currently having the hood
> and front bumper repainted, courtesy of a granddaughter's husband.
> He'll also do the ratty old fiberglass cap I bought for its rear, in
> the same color (gray) as the truck. The cap will then spend its life in
> six month chunks, one of which it rides on the truck, the other in
> which it resides on concrete blocks.
>
> But being without a truck really isn't an option around here. With no
> garbage pick-up, we need at least weekly runs to the dump. I'm always
> needing a board or six for something (though the short S10
> bed--72"--limits that more than did the 8' bed of my old Dodge), and
> tools need to be transported. Also, tools for tests cannot be delivered
> here by semi- My shop is down in the back lot, there's a 45 deg. turn
> at the bottom of the drive, and nowhere to turn around at the shop. At
> least nowhere for something that large.
I bought a '75 Chevy 3/4 ton in 1986 for $600. History - unknown,
mileage - unknown. Pretty ugly, but all in one piece and the remnants
of the correct colors everywhere.
But it ran and pulled my boat to the lake and worked weekends on my
side-job (paid for itself the first one). Probably saved my life in a
nasty rear-end collision in '91 (those 3/4 tons are BUILT). Damage was
not light, but I got her back on the road and she's still going today.
Hell, the AC even works. Actually thinking about a little
mini-restoration, i.e. minimal body work and a cheap paint job. This
will be mostly for the benefit of the wife and neighbors.
The fact that I can put a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed AND close the
tailgate somehow makes me sleep a little sounder each night!
Among friends and family I repeatedly hear the following two questions
about Old Faithful (often from the same person):
1. Why do you keep that piece of junk anyway?
2. How's the truck running, can I borrow it Saturday?
I just smile and explain that it's to be returned with a full tank of
gas and a case of Bud Light in the cab.
A buddy of mine had a similar full size truck, and his even looked
pretty good. His wife harped and harped that he didn't really need it,
and he finally sold it for $1500. To this day I believe that
contributed to the failure of their marriage. Some people just DON"T
understand.
Peace all,
Tom M.
"Tom Watson" wrote in message
> I would not like to be without a truck.
For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to a man
(or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed a
conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
Give her a pat on the fender for me.
--
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Last update: 5/6/06
On 6/4/2006 2:16 PM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
> The only ethanol available that I'm aware of is a blend of ethanol and
> gasoline, I'd be happy to be wrong. I don't know much about bio-diesel, was
> under the impression that it required some diesel fuel that was blended with
> the bio component. I sit corrected. Frankly, the idea of making bio-diesel
> doesn't appeal to me, filtering waste oil is much simpler and of course,
> cheaper.
>
Moonshine is ethanol, there's not gasoline in it. It will power an ICE
just fine.
> As for the duel tank/ cold weather, the company that I'm working with uses a
> single tank conversion and have had no problems with over 500 vehicles
> converted so far this year alone.
>
This year. What about the issues that will show up in 2-3 years from
those conversions this year? Clogged injectors, deteriated fuel lines,
etc.? What's their long term track record? How many conversions did
they do 5 years ago? How many of those are still running without major
issues?
> The other issues you brought up are all covered in the conversion process.
> I'll keep asking them questions but I've been impressed with their track
> record so far.
1 year isn't a track record, it's only a beginning.
>
> I'm still amazed that there isn't more work being done in these areas, it
> seems like a no-brainer, obviously there are issues to be resolved, but
> given the state of the gasoline situation, where some published comments by
> the president of Iran can dictate how much we pay at the pump for fuel, the
> biggest no-brainer is why more people aren't jumping into the market.
>
1) Do you realize how little WVO is produced per day? Do you realize
how much diesel is actually used per day? There's not enough WVO to
make up for it.
2) WVO is almost impossible (very impractical at best) to use in the
colder climates.
3) A Diesel engine cannot burn hot enough to cleanly burn the glycerine
in WVO, causing the engine to coke up, shortening the life of the engine
between overhauls, not to mention the coagulating of WVO in the
injectors on cool nights/days when not running.
You really need to do some more research before 'WONDERING' about these
things.
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/4/2006 1:17 PM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
>>> It may be a bit more complicated but the OP was talking about the cost
> of
>>> fuel, and for beating the costs of fuel, it's very hard to beat free
> waste
>>> oil. In only 2 attempts, I've already gotten a very good source for my
> waste
>>> oil car. Close enough to be practical and I'm doing a deal with the
>>> restaurant chain involved to let them promote their business on my
> vehicle.
>>> Everybody wins.
>>>
>>> Depending on where you live you may very well be able to do without
> using
>>> any regular diesel to start the engine.
>>>
>> Even here in the deep south, we have MANY days below 50F. About the
>> only places I can think of that wouldn't would be southern Florida and
>> portions of southern California
>>
>>> Biodiesel seems like too much work for too little gain to me. Unless
> you're
>>> driving cross country frequently and most people don't, a diesel
> converted
>>> to waste oil with a small filtering system set up at home or at work
> would
>>> be just about perfect.
>> Biodiesel has many gains, approx $.70 per gal vs $2.70 per gal of
>> diesel, cleaner burning, and other benefits.
>>
>> WVO has similar benefits, with the exception of trying to burn the
>> glycerine as well, which cokes up the engine (glycerine requires about
>> 1000C to burn cleanly). Certain fuel pumps (Lucas comes to mind) seem
>> to go bad very quickly using WVO. WVO needs to be preheated, where
>> BioDiesel doesn't. Most WVO conversions are dual systems, diesel to
>> start and shutdown, WVO for operation. If you try to run on straight
>> WVO, you'll clog your injectors if the WVO coagulates any.
>>> Why someone hasn't come up with a city car with a small 4 or 5 cylinder
>>> turbo charged diesel set up to run on waste oil is beyond me. The first
>>> delivery/transit company to do so could literally start a transportation
>>> revolution.
>>>
>>> Ethanol still requires gasoline, bio-diesel requires diesel fuel, waste
> or
>>> even pure veggie oil could become a real answer to the ongoing gasoline
>>> crisis. I'm not in the business but I'm in the process of acquiring a
> waste
>>> oil vehicle for personal as well as work use. Somebody with a bit of
> capital
>>> and some knowhow could make a fortune if they can find the market that
> is
>>> crying out for these sorts of vehicles.
>>>
>> Wrong, Ethanol doesn't require gasoline and biodiesel does not require
>> diesel fuel. I don't know where you get those ideas, but they are
>> false. WVO engines, OTOH, uses biodiesel or diesel in most
>> applications. You might want to do a little more research before your
>> end up doing a lot of work on your diesel.
>>
>>> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 6/4/2006 10:21 AM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
>>>>> Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste
>>> vegetable
>>>>> oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do
> some
>>>>> labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple
> gallons
>>> of
>>>>> oil at 2 bucks per.
>>>> It's a bit more complicated than that.
>>>>
>>>> To run strictly on WVO (not biodiesel), you'll still have to start it
>>>> with diesel on cold days (below approx 50F). Plus you need to strain
>>>> out all the suspended solids before using it (quite time consuming).
>>>>
>>>> To run on biodiesel, you'll have to have something to convert WVO to
>>>> biodiesel. A small setup can be built for about $500 (producing about
>>>> 35 gal of biodiesel per week). Your cost for converting that is about
>>>> $25 for the methanol and lye. You'll also have to figure out how to
>>>> dispose of the methanol laced glycerine that's left over.
>>>>
>>>> WVO and BioDiesel are more corrosive than diesel, so fuel lines and
> such
>>>> need to be upgraded to deal with this as well.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odinn
>>>> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Odinn
>> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>
>
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
On 6/4/2006 1:17 PM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
> It may be a bit more complicated but the OP was talking about the cost of
> fuel, and for beating the costs of fuel, it's very hard to beat free waste
> oil. In only 2 attempts, I've already gotten a very good source for my waste
> oil car. Close enough to be practical and I'm doing a deal with the
> restaurant chain involved to let them promote their business on my vehicle.
> Everybody wins.
>
> Depending on where you live you may very well be able to do without using
> any regular diesel to start the engine.
>
Even here in the deep south, we have MANY days below 50F. About the
only places I can think of that wouldn't would be southern Florida and
portions of southern California
> Biodiesel seems like too much work for too little gain to me. Unless you're
> driving cross country frequently and most people don't, a diesel converted
> to waste oil with a small filtering system set up at home or at work would
> be just about perfect.
Biodiesel has many gains, approx $.70 per gal vs $2.70 per gal of
diesel, cleaner burning, and other benefits.
WVO has similar benefits, with the exception of trying to burn the
glycerine as well, which cokes up the engine (glycerine requires about
1000C to burn cleanly). Certain fuel pumps (Lucas comes to mind) seem
to go bad very quickly using WVO. WVO needs to be preheated, where
BioDiesel doesn't. Most WVO conversions are dual systems, diesel to
start and shutdown, WVO for operation. If you try to run on straight
WVO, you'll clog your injectors if the WVO coagulates any.
>
> Why someone hasn't come up with a city car with a small 4 or 5 cylinder
> turbo charged diesel set up to run on waste oil is beyond me. The first
> delivery/transit company to do so could literally start a transportation
> revolution.
>
> Ethanol still requires gasoline, bio-diesel requires diesel fuel, waste or
> even pure veggie oil could become a real answer to the ongoing gasoline
> crisis. I'm not in the business but I'm in the process of acquiring a waste
> oil vehicle for personal as well as work use. Somebody with a bit of capital
> and some knowhow could make a fortune if they can find the market that is
> crying out for these sorts of vehicles.
>
Wrong, Ethanol doesn't require gasoline and biodiesel does not require
diesel fuel. I don't know where you get those ideas, but they are
false. WVO engines, OTOH, uses biodiesel or diesel in most
applications. You might want to do a little more research before your
end up doing a lot of work on your diesel.
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/4/2006 10:21 AM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
>>> Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste
> vegetable
>>> oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do some
>>> labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple gallons
> of
>>> oil at 2 bucks per.
>> It's a bit more complicated than that.
>>
>> To run strictly on WVO (not biodiesel), you'll still have to start it
>> with diesel on cold days (below approx 50F). Plus you need to strain
>> out all the suspended solids before using it (quite time consuming).
>>
>> To run on biodiesel, you'll have to have something to convert WVO to
>> biodiesel. A small setup can be built for about $500 (producing about
>> 35 gal of biodiesel per week). Your cost for converting that is about
>> $25 for the methanol and lye. You'll also have to figure out how to
>> dispose of the methanol laced glycerine that's left over.
>>
>> WVO and BioDiesel are more corrosive than diesel, so fuel lines and such
>> need to be upgraded to deal with this as well.
>>
>> --
>> Odinn
>> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>
>
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
So Tom, how many miles were on her before you decided to put er out to
pasture?
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I took her papers on in February of 1987.
>
> She was crisp and pretty then. Paint was so red that you could never
> again think of red without thinking about the color of that truck.
>
> Sure, it was a small six cylinder but it could pull like blazes and
> the "poor man's four wheel drive" of the limited slip did wonders in
> the mud and snow.
>
> She was a proud girl and hauled my tools and wood around for fifteen
> years without complaint.
>
> When my knees got so bad that I couldn't work the shop anymore, she
> ran commuter duty for a couple of years, until I bought a little car
> to take up the slack.
>
> I ran her dry on the turnpike one day and busted her head gasket a
> little bit but KW fixed that up right smart.
>
> She's out in the driveway now and only goes out to pick up wood, or to
> take us on a camping trip, or a fishing trip. She picks up the odd
> plant or tree for the yard - something a little too dirty for the
> regular cars.
>
> That's her retirement, to give us pleasure in our pursuits and not be
> chained to the day to day responsibilities of back and forth to work.
>
> She only gets fired up on the weekends but this seems to be enough for
> her.
>
> I would not like to be without a truck.
>
> My old girl has made that possible.
>
> God bless Henry Ford.
>
> God Bless America.
>
> God bless KW.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
>
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message
>
>
> "Swingman" wrote in message
>
> > "Tom Watson" wrote in message
> >
> >> I would not like to be without a truck.
> >
> > For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to a
> > man
> > (or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed a
> > conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
> >
> > Give her a pat on the fender for me.
> >
>
> What's a sedan?
Hmmm ... lemme see: How about if you can insert a full 4 x 8 sheet of
plywood and still drive, it isn't a sedan?
--
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Last update: 5/6/06
The only ethanol available that I'm aware of is a blend of ethanol and
gasoline, I'd be happy to be wrong. I don't know much about bio-diesel, was
under the impression that it required some diesel fuel that was blended with
the bio component. I sit corrected. Frankly, the idea of making bio-diesel
doesn't appeal to me, filtering waste oil is much simpler and of course,
cheaper.
As for the duel tank/ cold weather, the company that I'm working with uses a
single tank conversion and have had no problems with over 500 vehicles
converted so far this year alone.
The other issues you brought up are all covered in the conversion process.
I'll keep asking them questions but I've been impressed with their track
record so far.
I'm still amazed that there isn't more work being done in these areas, it
seems like a no-brainer, obviously there are issues to be resolved, but
given the state of the gasoline situation, where some published comments by
the president of Iran can dictate how much we pay at the pump for fuel, the
biggest no-brainer is why more people aren't jumping into the market.
John
"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/4/2006 1:17 PM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
> > It may be a bit more complicated but the OP was talking about the cost
of
> > fuel, and for beating the costs of fuel, it's very hard to beat free
waste
> > oil. In only 2 attempts, I've already gotten a very good source for my
waste
> > oil car. Close enough to be practical and I'm doing a deal with the
> > restaurant chain involved to let them promote their business on my
vehicle.
> > Everybody wins.
> >
> > Depending on where you live you may very well be able to do without
using
> > any regular diesel to start the engine.
> >
>
> Even here in the deep south, we have MANY days below 50F. About the
> only places I can think of that wouldn't would be southern Florida and
> portions of southern California
>
> > Biodiesel seems like too much work for too little gain to me. Unless
you're
> > driving cross country frequently and most people don't, a diesel
converted
> > to waste oil with a small filtering system set up at home or at work
would
> > be just about perfect.
>
> Biodiesel has many gains, approx $.70 per gal vs $2.70 per gal of
> diesel, cleaner burning, and other benefits.
>
> WVO has similar benefits, with the exception of trying to burn the
> glycerine as well, which cokes up the engine (glycerine requires about
> 1000C to burn cleanly). Certain fuel pumps (Lucas comes to mind) seem
> to go bad very quickly using WVO. WVO needs to be preheated, where
> BioDiesel doesn't. Most WVO conversions are dual systems, diesel to
> start and shutdown, WVO for operation. If you try to run on straight
> WVO, you'll clog your injectors if the WVO coagulates any.
> >
> > Why someone hasn't come up with a city car with a small 4 or 5 cylinder
> > turbo charged diesel set up to run on waste oil is beyond me. The first
> > delivery/transit company to do so could literally start a transportation
> > revolution.
> >
> > Ethanol still requires gasoline, bio-diesel requires diesel fuel, waste
or
> > even pure veggie oil could become a real answer to the ongoing gasoline
> > crisis. I'm not in the business but I'm in the process of acquiring a
waste
> > oil vehicle for personal as well as work use. Somebody with a bit of
capital
> > and some knowhow could make a fortune if they can find the market that
is
> > crying out for these sorts of vehicles.
> >
>
> Wrong, Ethanol doesn't require gasoline and biodiesel does not require
> diesel fuel. I don't know where you get those ideas, but they are
> false. WVO engines, OTOH, uses biodiesel or diesel in most
> applications. You might want to do a little more research before your
> end up doing a lot of work on your diesel.
>
> > "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> On 6/4/2006 10:21 AM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
> >>> Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste
> > vegetable
> >>> oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do
some
> >>> labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple
gallons
> > of
> >>> oil at 2 bucks per.
> >> It's a bit more complicated than that.
> >>
> >> To run strictly on WVO (not biodiesel), you'll still have to start it
> >> with diesel on cold days (below approx 50F). Plus you need to strain
> >> out all the suspended solids before using it (quite time consuming).
> >>
> >> To run on biodiesel, you'll have to have something to convert WVO to
> >> biodiesel. A small setup can be built for about $500 (producing about
> >> 35 gal of biodiesel per week). Your cost for converting that is about
> >> $25 for the methanol and lye. You'll also have to figure out how to
> >> dispose of the methanol laced glycerine that's left over.
> >>
> >> WVO and BioDiesel are more corrosive than diesel, so fuel lines and
such
> >> need to be upgraded to deal with this as well.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Odinn
> >> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Odinn
> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste vegetable
oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do some
labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple gallons of
oil at 2 bucks per.
John E.
"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:24:07 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Tom Watson" wrote in message
> >
> >> I would not like to be without a truck.
> >
> >For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to a
man
> >(or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed a
> >conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
>
> I'd like to have a truck, but I drive an hour each way to work at the
> nearest cabinet shop. So it's a little rice-burner for me. There are
> plenty of workarounds if you need them, though. Always trucks for
> rent around, and the lumber yard three blocks away delivers for $1-5
> in town.
>
> And you'd be amazed at the amount of stuff I can cram into a Focus.
> For exotics, I have to cut planks at the hardwood dealer, but that's
> generally not a problem.
>
> It's irritating sometimes, but at the rates a cabinetmaker gets paid
> around here, there's no way I could afford the gasoline on a pickup-
> not to mention another car payment. I barely squeak by on gas when
> I'm getting 40mpg.
It may be a bit more complicated but the OP was talking about the cost of
fuel, and for beating the costs of fuel, it's very hard to beat free waste
oil. In only 2 attempts, I've already gotten a very good source for my waste
oil car. Close enough to be practical and I'm doing a deal with the
restaurant chain involved to let them promote their business on my vehicle.
Everybody wins.
Depending on where you live you may very well be able to do without using
any regular diesel to start the engine.
Biodiesel seems like too much work for too little gain to me. Unless you're
driving cross country frequently and most people don't, a diesel converted
to waste oil with a small filtering system set up at home or at work would
be just about perfect.
Why someone hasn't come up with a city car with a small 4 or 5 cylinder
turbo charged diesel set up to run on waste oil is beyond me. The first
delivery/transit company to do so could literally start a transportation
revolution.
Ethanol still requires gasoline, bio-diesel requires diesel fuel, waste or
even pure veggie oil could become a real answer to the ongoing gasoline
crisis. I'm not in the business but I'm in the process of acquiring a waste
oil vehicle for personal as well as work use. Somebody with a bit of capital
and some knowhow could make a fortune if they can find the market that is
crying out for these sorts of vehicles.
John E.
"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/4/2006 10:21 AM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
> > Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste
vegetable
> > oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do some
> > labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple gallons
of
> > oil at 2 bucks per.
>
> It's a bit more complicated than that.
>
> To run strictly on WVO (not biodiesel), you'll still have to start it
> with diesel on cold days (below approx 50F). Plus you need to strain
> out all the suspended solids before using it (quite time consuming).
>
> To run on biodiesel, you'll have to have something to convert WVO to
> biodiesel. A small setup can be built for about $500 (producing about
> 35 gal of biodiesel per week). Your cost for converting that is about
> $25 for the methanol and lye. You'll also have to figure out how to
> dispose of the methanol laced glycerine that's left over.
>
> WVO and BioDiesel are more corrosive than diesel, so fuel lines and such
> need to be upgraded to deal with this as well.
>
> --
> Odinn
> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> What's a sedan?
You'll probably have to copy and paste this into a one-line link:
<http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=ysd9600x4jn0?
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Tom Watson" wrote in message
>
>> I would not like to be without a truck.
>
> For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to a
> man
> (or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed a
> conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
>
> Give her a pat on the fender for me.
>
What's a sedan?
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> "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> What's a sedan?
>
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>
> Charlie Self wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>> > "Tom Watson" wrote in message
>> >
>> > > I would not like to be without a truck.
>> >
>> > For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to
>> > a man (or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed
>> > a conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
>> >
>> > Give her a pat on the fender for me.
>>
>> I downsized a few years ago, sold my '87 Dodge--also a 6, like
>> Tom's--with 200,000 ready to come up on the meter. But I didn't slip
>> away from trucks. I went to an S10, which is currently having the hood
>> and front bumper repainted, courtesy of a granddaughter's husband.
>> He'll also do the ratty old fiberglass cap I bought for its rear, in
>> the same color (gray) as the truck. The cap will then spend its life in
>> six month chunks, one of which it rides on the truck, the other in
>> which it resides on concrete blocks.
>>
>> But being without a truck really isn't an option around here. With no
>> garbage pick-up, we need at least weekly runs to the dump. I'm always
>> needing a board or six for something (though the short S10
>> bed--72"--limits that more than did the 8' bed of my old Dodge), and
>> tools need to be transported. Also, tools for tests cannot be delivered
>> here by semi- My shop is down in the back lot, there's a 45 deg. turn
>> at the bottom of the drive, and nowhere to turn around at the shop. At
>> least nowhere for something that large.
>
> I bought a '75 Chevy 3/4 ton in 1986 for $600. History - unknown,
> mileage - unknown. Pretty ugly, but all in one piece and the remnants
> of the correct colors everywhere.
>
> But it ran and pulled my boat to the lake and worked weekends on my
> side-job (paid for itself the first one). Probably saved my life in a
> nasty rear-end collision in '91 (those 3/4 tons are BUILT). Damage was
> not light, but I got her back on the road and she's still going today.
> Hell, the AC even works. Actually thinking about a little
> mini-restoration, i.e. minimal body work and a cheap paint job. This
> will be mostly for the benefit of the wife and neighbors.
>
> The fact that I can put a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed AND close the
> tailgate somehow makes me sleep a little sounder each night!
>
> Among friends and family I repeatedly hear the following two questions
> about Old Faithful (often from the same person):
>
> 1. Why do you keep that piece of junk anyway?
> 2. How's the truck running, can I borrow it Saturday?
>
> I just smile and explain that it's to be returned with a full tank of
> gas and a case of Bud Light in the cab.
>
> A buddy of mine had a similar full size truck, and his even looked
> pretty good. His wife harped and harped that he didn't really need it,
> and he finally sold it for $1500. To this day I believe that
> contributed to the failure of their marriage. Some people just DON"T
> understand.
FWIW, back when Word Perfect Corporation was on top of the world lookin'
down on Creation the CEO came to work every day in a truck that from all
accounts makes yours look factory new. The marketing department finally
convinced him that this was bad for the corporate image and he got a new
car. Well, we all know what happened to Word Perfect after that <g>.
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:24:07 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Tom Watson" wrote in message
>
>> I would not like to be without a truck.
>
>For some of us, it's a poor life without. On reflection, and almost to a man
>(or woman, in a few cases), the folks with whom I've most enjoyed a
>conversation recently, or shared an interest, don't drive sedans.
I'd like to have a truck, but I drive an hour each way to work at the
nearest cabinet shop. So it's a little rice-burner for me. There are
plenty of workarounds if you need them, though. Always trucks for
rent around, and the lumber yard three blocks away delivers for $1-5
in town.
And you'd be amazed at the amount of stuff I can cram into a Focus.
For exotics, I have to cut planks at the hardwood dealer, but that's
generally not a problem.
It's irritating sometimes, but at the rates a cabinetmaker gets paid
around here, there's no way I could afford the gasoline on a pickup-
not to mention another car payment. I barely squeak by on gas when
I'm getting 40mpg.
On 6/4/2006 10:21 AM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
> Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste vegetable
> oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do some
> labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple gallons of
> oil at 2 bucks per.
It's a bit more complicated than that.
To run strictly on WVO (not biodiesel), you'll still have to start it
with diesel on cold days (below approx 50F). Plus you need to strain
out all the suspended solids before using it (quite time consuming).
To run on biodiesel, you'll have to have something to convert WVO to
biodiesel. A small setup can be built for about $500 (producing about
35 gal of biodiesel per week). Your cost for converting that is about
$25 for the methanol and lye. You'll also have to figure out how to
dispose of the methanol laced glycerine that's left over.
WVO and BioDiesel are more corrosive than diesel, so fuel lines and such
need to be upgraded to deal with this as well.
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On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:40:53 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>So Tom, how many miles were on her before you decided to put er out to
>pasture?
>
That's the sad thing, Leon.
She only has 163,000 miles on her.
She's too young to die.
Even for an East Coaster.
She did great on her fifty mile round trip of fishing yesterday, which
is a good sign.
The fact that the nine year old finally started baiting his own hooks
was an even better sign.
The fact that he finally took the helm of the mighty 42 lb thrust
trolling motor and cozened the 14 foot tin boat to the dock was an
even better sign.
The fact that he caught nine while Dad caught none - well, ...
It was a good day, in any case.
Regards,
Tom Watson
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:21:37 GMT, "John Emmons"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste vegetable
>oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do some
>labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple gallons of
>oil at 2 bucks per.
It's not a bad idea by any means- have you done this yourself? I'm
really a hack when it comes to working on engines, so it's got to be a
fairly straight-forward project if I go this route. More likely, I'll
eventually find a cheap junker to park in the backyard for use only
when I need to haul something, but the veg. oil trucks have been
floating around in my head for a little while now.
On 6/4/2006 10:40 PM Odinn mumbled something about the following:
> On 6/4/2006 2:16 PM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
>> The only ethanol available that I'm aware of is a blend of ethanol and
>> gasoline, I'd be happy to be wrong. I don't know much about
>> bio-diesel, was
>> under the impression that it required some diesel fuel that was
>> blended with
>> the bio component. I sit corrected. Frankly, the idea of making
>> bio-diesel
>> doesn't appeal to me, filtering waste oil is much simpler and of course,
>> cheaper.
>>
>
> Moonshine is ethanol, there's not gasoline in it. It will power an ICE
> just fine.
>
>> As for the duel tank/ cold weather, the company that I'm working with
>> uses a
>> single tank conversion and have had no problems with over 500 vehicles
>> converted so far this year alone.
>>
>
> This year. What about the issues that will show up in 2-3 years from
> those conversions this year? Clogged injectors, deteriated fuel lines,
> etc.? What's their long term track record? How many conversions did
> they do 5 years ago? How many of those are still running without major
> issues?
>
>> The other issues you brought up are all covered in the conversion
>> process.
>> I'll keep asking them questions but I've been impressed with their track
>> record so far.
>
> 1 year isn't a track record, it's only a beginning.
>
>>
>> I'm still amazed that there isn't more work being done in these areas, it
>> seems like a no-brainer, obviously there are issues to be resolved, but
>> given the state of the gasoline situation, where some published
>> comments by
>> the president of Iran can dictate how much we pay at the pump for
>> fuel, the
>> biggest no-brainer is why more people aren't jumping into the market.
>>
>
> 1) Do you realize how little WVO is produced per day? Do you realize
> how much diesel is actually used per day? There's not enough WVO to
> make up for it.
> 2) WVO is almost impossible (very impractical at best) to use in the
> colder climates.
> 3) A Diesel engine cannot burn hot enough to cleanly burn the glycerine
> in WVO, causing the engine to coke up, shortening the life of the engine
> between overhauls, not to mention the coagulating of WVO in the
> injectors on cool nights/days when not running.
>
> You really need to do some more research before 'WONDERING' about these
> things.
>
>
>> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> On 6/4/2006 1:17 PM John Emmons mumbled something about the following:
>>>> It may be a bit more complicated but the OP was talking about the cost
>> of
>>>> fuel, and for beating the costs of fuel, it's very hard to beat free
>> waste
>>>> oil. In only 2 attempts, I've already gotten a very good source for my
>> waste
>>>> oil car. Close enough to be practical and I'm doing a deal with the
>>>> restaurant chain involved to let them promote their business on my
>> vehicle.
>>>> Everybody wins.
>>>>
>>>> Depending on where you live you may very well be able to do without
>> using
>>>> any regular diesel to start the engine.
>>>>
>>> Even here in the deep south, we have MANY days below 50F. About the
>>> only places I can think of that wouldn't would be southern Florida and
>>> portions of southern California
>>>
>>>> Biodiesel seems like too much work for too little gain to me. Unless
>> you're
>>>> driving cross country frequently and most people don't, a diesel
>> converted
>>>> to waste oil with a small filtering system set up at home or at work
>> would
>>>> be just about perfect.
>>> Biodiesel has many gains, approx $.70 per gal vs $2.70 per gal of
>>> diesel, cleaner burning, and other benefits.
>>>
>>> WVO has similar benefits, with the exception of trying to burn the
>>> glycerine as well, which cokes up the engine (glycerine requires about
>>> 1000C to burn cleanly). Certain fuel pumps (Lucas comes to mind) seem
>>> to go bad very quickly using WVO. WVO needs to be preheated, where
>>> BioDiesel doesn't. Most WVO conversions are dual systems, diesel to
>>> start and shutdown, WVO for operation. If you try to run on straight
>>> WVO, you'll clog your injectors if the WVO coagulates any.
>>>> Why someone hasn't come up with a city car with a small 4 or 5 cylinder
>>>> turbo charged diesel set up to run on waste oil is beyond me. The first
>>>> delivery/transit company to do so could literally start a
>>>> transportation
>>>> revolution.
>>>>
>>>> Ethanol still requires gasoline, bio-diesel requires diesel fuel, waste
>> or
>>>> even pure veggie oil could become a real answer to the ongoing gasoline
>>>> crisis. I'm not in the business but I'm in the process of acquiring a
>> waste
>>>> oil vehicle for personal as well as work use. Somebody with a bit of
>> capital
>>>> and some knowhow could make a fortune if they can find the market that
>> is
>>>> crying out for these sorts of vehicles.
>>>>
>>> Wrong, Ethanol doesn't require gasoline and biodiesel does not require
>>> diesel fuel. I don't know where you get those ideas, but they are
>>> false. WVO engines, OTOH, uses biodiesel or diesel in most
>>> applications. You might want to do a little more research before your
>>> end up doing a lot of work on your diesel.
>>>
>>>> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On 6/4/2006 10:21 AM John Emmons mumbled something about the
>>>>> following:
>>>>>> Get yourself a small diesel pick up and convert it to run on waste
>>>> vegetable
>>>>>> oil. Your fuel costs will essentially disappear. You'll need to do
>> some
>>>>>> labor or worse case, you stop by the store and pick up a couple
>> gallons
>>>> of
>>>>>> oil at 2 bucks per.
>>>>> It's a bit more complicated than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> To run strictly on WVO (not biodiesel), you'll still have to start it
>>>>> with diesel on cold days (below approx 50F). Plus you need to strain
>>>>> out all the suspended solids before using it (quite time consuming).
>>>>>
>>>>> To run on biodiesel, you'll have to have something to convert WVO to
>>>>> biodiesel. A small setup can be built for about $500 (producing about
>>>>> 35 gal of biodiesel per week). Your cost for converting that is about
>>>>> $25 for the methanol and lye. You'll also have to figure out how to
>>>>> dispose of the methanol laced glycerine that's left over.
>>>>>
>>>>> WVO and BioDiesel are more corrosive than diesel, so fuel lines and
>> such
>>>>> need to be upgraded to deal with this as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Odinn
>>>>> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Odinn
>>> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>>
>>
>
I just want to say that I'm not trying to talk you out of going WVO,
just trying to make you look at all the problems associated with them.
I've thought of using WVO or creating BioDiesel for use in my tractor,
but I don't use but about 5 gal of diesel a month in it, which, at this
rate, would take several years to recoup the costs of any conversion.
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Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
I haven't been as lucky. I put 330,000 miles on my 1991 Ranger. But
now there's some blow-by on the No. 5 cylinder. Just when the seat
was starting to fit my butt really well.
I feel lost without it.
-Zz
Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:47:16 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I took her papers on in February of 1987.
>
>She was crisp and pretty then. Paint was so red that you could never
>again think of red without thinking about the color of that truck.
>
>Sure, it was a small six cylinder but it could pull like blazes and
>the "poor man's four wheel drive" of the limited slip did wonders in
>the mud and snow.
>
>She was a proud girl and hauled my tools and wood around for fifteen
>years without complaint.
>
>When my knees got so bad that I couldn't work the shop anymore, she
>ran commuter duty for a couple of years, until I bought a little car
>to take up the slack.
>
>I ran her dry on the turnpike one day and busted her head gasket a
>little bit but KW fixed that up right smart.
>
>She's out in the driveway now and only goes out to pick up wood, or to
>take us on a camping trip, or a fishing trip. She picks up the odd
>plant or tree for the yard - something a little too dirty for the
>regular cars.
>
>That's her retirement, to give us pleasure in our pursuits and not be
>chained to the day to day responsibilities of back and forth to work.
>
>She only gets fired up on the weekends but this seems to be enough for
>her.
>
>I would not like to be without a truck.
>
>My old girl has made that possible.
>
>God bless Henry Ford.
>
>God Bless America.
>
>God bless KW.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Tom Watson
>
>tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
>
>http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/