Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
thought I would ask.
In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
"5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
"Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
yesteryear.
There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
something? : )
Bill
On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote:
> One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of
> student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed much
> longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect
> and responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think
> they can get away with, and break anything they think they can break,
> just to see if they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also
> fallen to the point that I fear for our countries future. It all comes
> back to the parents. Teach your kids parents. Morals, respect,
> responsibility and work ethic. The teachers will handle the rest with
> ease if they have those skills.
Well put.
My sister-in-law retired last year after teaching 30 years and said the
above, almost word for word.
We have had a number of conversations in the past couple of years and I
asked for her opinion, in as few words as possible, about what was wrong
with our public education system. Her one word reply:
Parents.
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"Bill" wrote:
> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Had one back in Ohio.
Brought it with me to CA.
Had it stolen.
Set the cut to 1/32" and get on with life.
Lew
Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I'm starting to form an opinion from searching a bit online that it's
> probably not worth the trouble (set up issues, power, etc.). I think
> after you consider your time of installing and setting up new blades,
> etc, the investment should be in something that is worth it to begin
> with.
>
> Sorry, if anyone objects to me answering this guy!
>
> Bill
>
>
You may want to look at the Ridgid jointers from Home Depot. I'm happy
with the one I have, but it doesn't see a whole lot of work. The chip
ramp in the stand doesn't work all that great. Chips tend to collect
rather than run down to the floor. A dust collector port is there at the
bottom of the chute, and it might make things work better. (I'd rather
see a funnel that drops the chips directly below the jointer.)
My local HD doesn't carry jointers any longer, but it looks like they can
order them. I think the 6" was in the 3-400 dollar range.
FWIW, you're not buying a whole lot of capability with a jointer. A
thickness planer and table saw will easily handle most jointer tasks.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"woodchucker" wrote:
> I also had a wood shop teacher in my flying club. His spars never
> quite touched the ribs fully. His webbing between the spars had the
> same problem, he just globbed ambroid glue on as if it wood provide
> the strength..
--------------------------------------------------
Haven't even thought about Ambroid since I stopped building models in
the mid '50's.
Still remember it was $0.50/tube which was a lot of money to a kid
who earned $0.50/hr back then.
Is it still available?
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:533caa13$0$55621
[email protected]:
> Haven't even thought about Ambroid since I stopped building models in
> the mid '50's.
>
> Still remember it was $0.50/tube which was a lot of money to a kid
> who earned $0.50/hr back then.
>
> Is it still available?
>
> Lew
>
Ambroid's still available. I'm not sure if the glue's the same as the
stuff in the 50's, as I've never used it.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> Yes indeed. I suppose I SHOULD wear ear protection but I never have
> because I want to hear the machine.
I can usually hear the machine just fine with ear protection on. It's
muffled, not completely blocked out. Some hearing protection is available
with different levels of dampening.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On 3/31/2014 3:29 PM, Bill wrote:
> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>
Yup! It is a damn fine boat anchor. I owned one for 20 or so years and
used it a hand full of times. Good for really short pieces assuming
everything else is in alignment. Today I have no jointer.
>
> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
> thought I would ask.
Well, it is heavy and will easily joint the edge of most anything if it
is short. This thing is really short.
>
> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
If the Griz is 3 times more expensive it will be a better value.
>
> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>
> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
> yesteryear.
>
> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
> something? : )
Cast iron equates to heavy which equates to smoother running. MY TS is
700 lbs.
> Bill
On 3/31/2014 4:29 PM, Bill wrote:
> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>
>
> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
> thought I would ask.
>
> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>
> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>
> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
> yesteryear.
>
> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
> something? : )
>
> Bill
I bought a 6" delta years ago used at a garage sale for $200.
My opinion, keep looking and avoid the craftsman.
--
Jeff
On 3/31/2014 5:58 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 3/31/2014 4:29 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>>
>>
>>
>> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
>> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
>> thought I would ask.
>>
>> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
>> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
>> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>>
>> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
>> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
>> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
>> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>>
>> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
>> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
>> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
>> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
>> yesteryear.
>>
>> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
>> something? : )
>>
>> Bill
>
> I bought a 6" delta years ago used at a garage sale for $200.
What in the world were they using it for at the garage sale? :~)
>
> My opinion, keep looking and avoid the craftsman.
>
>
On 3/31/2014 7:50 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>
>> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Had one back in Ohio.
>
> Brought it with me to CA.
>
> Had it stolen.
I should have had mine stolen, like you. I had to haul mine off and got
nothing for it. ;~)
On 4/2/2014 8:23 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "woodchucker" wrote:
>
>> I also had a wood shop teacher in my flying club. His spars never
>> quite touched the ribs fully. His webbing between the spars had the
>> same problem, he just globbed ambroid glue on as if it wood provide
>> the strength..
> --------------------------------------------------
> Haven't even thought about Ambroid since I stopped building models in
> the mid '50's.
>
> Still remember it was $0.50/tube which was a lot of money to a kid
> who earned $0.50/hr back then.
>
> Is it still available?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
yes it is, but most use C/A.
I don't build anylonger, nor have I competed since 2007 or 2008 can't
remember.
Most all high performance models are molded or glass/carbon/kevlar over
foam. Mine were molded carbon fiber so they were used epoxy.
I actually think that ambroid is better than C/A.. while C/A is fast
cure, ambroid is not as brittle. But only some of the old timers build
with it. And maybe some indoor guys, but I'm not sure.
--
Jeff
On 4/1/2014 2:59 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> I'm starting to form an opinion from searching a bit online that it's
>> probably not worth the trouble (set up issues, power, etc.). I think
>> after you consider your time of installing and setting up new blades,
>> etc, the investment should be in something that is worth it to begin
>> with.
>>
>> Sorry, if anyone objects to me answering this guy!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
> You may want to look at the Ridgid jointers from Home Depot. I'm happy
> with the one I have, but it doesn't see a whole lot of work. The chip
> ramp in the stand doesn't work all that great. Chips tend to collect
> rather than run down to the floor. A dust collector port is there at the
> bottom of the chute, and it might make things work better. (I'd rather
> see a funnel that drops the chips directly below the jointer.)
>
> My local HD doesn't carry jointers any longer, but it looks like they can
> order them. I think the 6" was in the 3-400 dollar range.
>
> FWIW, you're not buying a whole lot of capability with a jointer. A
> thickness planer and table saw will easily handle most jointer tasks.
>
> Puckdropper
>
Why not just open up the chute below the jointer.
I was able to modify my DC using a stiff putty knife. It was able to
break the spot welds cleanly.
--
Jeff
On 4/2/2014 12:39 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> Yeah, that's what I had. I did have a problem near the
>> end that I believe was the in and outfeed starting to get
>> somewhat out of the same plane. I can't figure out what
>> one of my idiots would have done to throw that monster
>> out of adjustment.
>
> You were a shop teacher? I still remember my shop teacher from 8th grade,
> circa 1946.
>
> At that time, students were divided into "sections", 1-7 depending upon
> learning/intellectual ability, one being the highest. I was in section one
> but somehow wound up in a section 7 shop class.
>
> The shop teacher caught a kid trying to chop through a piece of wood on the
> joiner; the teacher finished the job for him by bending the kid over a bench
> and breaking ther board on his butt. I thought that was excessive then and
> still do. I hope you were more tolerant of your students errors.
>
>
In 1946, I don't think that was excessive, it made an impression.
Today it would require he be fired, and put in jail.
I remember my wood shop teacher, he was kind of cool and knowledgeable
until one day he was working on his own project on the lathe, and
outboard project that was large, the largest turning I had ever seen..
We were left outside the class for what was probably 30 minutes after
class started. Kids were banging on the door.. He went into a melt down
and started throwing things all over the place, destroyed some of the
kids projects.. From that point on, I thought he was an jerk. He went
way overboard, so he could work on his own project. He could have done
the work after school...
He could have been cool and remembered fondly, but the biggest thing I
remember was this one temper tantrum. It's a shame, until then I really
liked the guy. You had to be there to understand how over the top this
was.. Maybe like your classmate who got paddled, where I can't
understand how over the top he was.
--
Jeff
"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
RonB wrote:
>> BTW - Don't ever go to a Grizzly Store! It is like a big kid's candy
>> store.
>Ha! I made the Grizzly Springfield store a vacation stop 2 years ago! I
>enjoyed my visit--even got the T-shirt! If the store was nearby, allowing
>for a more convenient return, if necessary, I would look at things
>differently.
Fortunately, about the time the local Woodworkers Warehouse closed it's
doors my shop was well equipped. Since that time I acquired a second, much
larger 36" bandsaw, and traded up from a 1 1/2 HP to a 3 HP shaper. Both
those were found on Craigs List, but otherwise all the corded tools were
acquired while WW was in business... It is probably good that they are gone,
and that Numrich Arms closed their retail store... The staff knew my name
and me theirs... I was treated more like a friend than a customer and both
places sucked money out of my pocket while they existed. ;~) If I lived
near a small town in Maine I'd be in real trouble... ;~)
John
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:48:31 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>=20
> > On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:29:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>=20
> >> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>=20
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2H=
P-/171280359457?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem27e11ae021
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >>
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> >> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
>=20
> >>
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> >> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so =
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> >>
>=20
> >> thought I would ask.
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
>=20
> >> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
>=20
> >>
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> >> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
>=20
> >>
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> >> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
>=20
> >>
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> >> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think=
,
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> >>
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> >> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
>=20
> >>
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> >> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
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> >>
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> >> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
>=20
> >>
>=20
> >> yesteryear.
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
>=20
> >>
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> >> something? : )
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
>=20
> >> Bill
>=20
> > I used to own a 4" Craftsman Jointer, that was probably of similar vint=
age. it was mounted on a home-made stand and it was a pretty good little m=
achine. Granted it had a lot of limitation but it was sound and smooth.
>=20
> >
>=20
> > You mentioned the 8" Grizzly. My son-in-law has a mid 2000's vintage 8=
" Grizzly and it is a very nice machine. The year he bought his, Fine Wood=
working rated it highly; and prior to that they barely recognized Grizzly p=
roducts.
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> >
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> > RonB
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> Grizzly appears to be that they seem to be inconsistent. I had a=20
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> not like I have a tap and die set handy (maybe I should...).
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> Bill
I have an advantage that a lot of folks don't have. The Springfield store =
is about two hours away. When I was looking for a cabinet saw about 13 yea=
rs ago the 1023 series was on my list. We were in the Branson/Springfield =
area and dropped by and got a good demo in the store's wood shop. When I p=
ulled the plug and ordered a few weeks later I was pretty sure of what was =
coming and wasn't disappointed. A couple of years ago I bought a 15" surfa=
ce planer and dust collector at the Grizzly Store. I was able to lift the =
box on the planer and inspect it in the store before they loaded it.
BTW - Don't ever go to a Grizzly Store! It is like a big kid's candy store=
.
RonB
On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:29:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>
> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>
>
>
> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
>
> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
>
> thought I would ask.
>
>
>
> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
>
> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
>
> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>
>
>
> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
>
> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
>
> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
>
> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>
>
>
> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
>
> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
>
> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
>
> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
>
> yesteryear.
>
>
>
> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
>
> something? : )
>
>
>
> Bill
I used to own a 4" Craftsman Jointer, that was probably of similar vintage. it was mounted on a home-made stand and it was a pretty good little machine. Granted it had a lot of limitation but it was sound and smooth.
You mentioned the 8" Grizzly. My son-in-law has a mid 2000's vintage 8" Grizzly and it is a very nice machine. The year he bought his, Fine Woodworking rated it highly; and prior to that they barely recognized Grizzly products.
RonB
Your local CL may be a good source. I picked up a used, but in good condition, Jet 6-inch for about $250 a few years back. Had to replace the motor after a couple of years, but still was a good deal.
Larry
On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:29:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>
> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>
>
>
> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
>
> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
>
> thought I would ask.
>
>
>
> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
>
> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
>
> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>
>
>
> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
>
> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
>
> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
>
> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>
>
>
> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
>
> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
>
> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
>
> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
>
> yesteryear.
>
>
>
> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
>
> something? : )
>
>
>
> Bill
On 4/2/2014 2:32 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "woodchucker" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I remember my wood shop teacher....
>
>> ...he could work on his own project. He could have done the work after
>> school...
>
> That is for what I remember my Jr. High woodshop/ceramics teacher...
> During ceramics class he made laminate kitchen counter tops for somebody
> and during woodshop class the next year he made a fiberglass covered
> wooden cap for his pickup. He kind of left the class to their own
> devices much of the time...
>
> I recall him making a complete mess while spreading the contact cement
> for the counter tops. Me, a kid of 12 years of age, explained to him a
> better way of doing it (my next door neighbor was a professional cabinet
> maker) and he tried it... for a few minutes he enjoyed success but then
> went right back to what he'd been doing. Needless to say, after those
> combined experiences, this guy did not leave a favorable impression on
> me... to the point that I long ago forgot his name. Another way to put
> it is that I have enjoyed success as a woodworker in spite of him. ;~)
>
> John
I also had a wood shop teacher in my flying club. His spars never quite
touched the ribs fully. His webbing between the spars had the same
problem, he just globbed ambroid glue on as if it wood provide the
strength.. I would explain that if it was a wood to wood bond it would
be stronger, he always dismissed me.. So everytime he launched a new
airplane it was fun to watch... about half of them we would hear OH SHIT
while he was going up on the winch or high start (these were gliders
which need wing strength). What followed was the wing folding
completely. Always worth a laugh that he never got the idea that
building a nice clean air frame was important for strength and light
weight. I can't imagine what his woodworking was like. His station
wagon looked like a homeless guy living in it.
--
Jeff
Bill wrote:
> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>
I'm starting to form an opinion from searching a bit online that it's
probably not worth the trouble (set up issues, power, etc.). I think
after you consider your time of installing and setting up new blades,
etc, the investment should be in something that is worth it to begin with.
Sorry, if anyone objects to me answering this guy!
Bill
>
> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so
> I thought I would ask.
>
> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>
> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>
> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I
> think, over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm
> surprised I don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how
> the current "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to
> the one of yesteryear.
>
> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
> something? : )
>
> Bill
Leon wrote:
>
> Cast iron equates to heavy which equates to smoother running. MY TS
> is 700 lbs.
>
>
Thank you, Leon. Yes, one of the Craftsman jointers was attached a cart
with what looked like "spindly plastic wheels". I'm sure they were
better than what you might find on a BBQ grill, but I'm not sure how
much better...
Bill
Gramps' shop wrote:
> Your local CL may be a good source. I picked up a used, but in good condition, Jet 6-inch for about $250 a few years back. Had to replace the motor after a couple of years, but still was a good deal.
>
> Larry
Yes, thanks Larry, I've been watching it. Someone posted an older Jet
in need of a bit of rehab for $700 the other day, that one could buy new
for $919. I'm not ready to deal with that seller yet. I'll keep my eyes
open!
Bill
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:29:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>>
>> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>>
>>
>>
>> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
>>
>> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
>>
>> thought I would ask.
>>
>>
>>
>> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
>>
>> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
>>
>> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>>
>>
>>
>> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
>>
>> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
>>
>> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
>>
>> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>>
>>
>>
>> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
>>
>> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
>>
>> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
>>
>> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
>>
>> yesteryear.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
>>
>> something? : )
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>
>> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Had one back in Ohio.
>
> Brought it with me to CA.
>
> Had it stolen.
>
> Set the cut to 1/32" and get on with life.
Don't worry. It's not holding me up. I cautiously ventured out into the
curiously-nice 65-degree temperatures and started my "spring cleaning".
>
> Lew
>
>
Bill wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>>
>
>
> I'm starting to form an opinion from searching a bit online that it's
> probably not worth the trouble (set up issues, power, etc.). I think
> after you consider your time of installing and setting up new blades,
> etc, the investment should be in something that is worth it to begin
> with.
I'm not so sure Bill. I had one of those and it was a plenty good enough
jointer. I gave it to my son because I just never used it. Set up is
something that goes with any jointer, so I wouldn't let that factor in at
all. Power - it's a standard 120v jointer - no power issues at all. I'm
not sure I be at all reluctant to own this again if I felt I'd use a jointer
enough. As for the price... you probably have a better idea than I do
about what these things go for, since you've been looking around. I really
don't have any idea it the price is good or not.
--
-Mike-
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"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote > I bought a 6" delta years ago used
at a garage sale for $200.
>
> My opinion, keep looking and avoid the craftsman.
>
>
I inherited one, and have not set it up yet, but intend to some day soon.
Any advice from anyone on setting it up to perform as well as it is able?
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"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears
> Craftsman 6" jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>
> My first impression is that it's too light for all but
> the lightest work, but there is more than one available
> in my neck of the woods so I thought I would ask.
My former FIL (now deceased and not missed) had one. That's the best reason
I know for NOT having one.
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"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote
> My former FIL (now deceased and not missed) had one. That's the best
> reason I know for NOT having one.
>
This one belonged to my dad (now deceased and missed) and I like using a
jointer at times. I don't have access to my 5 foot long 8" cast iron
monster I used when I was teaching. I have not gotten my home shop set up
yet to be able to use the craftsman jointer yet. I simply wondered if there
were any hints to get the maximum performance from the little machine.
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On 4/1/2014 12:43 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
>
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> My former FIL (now deceased and not missed) had one. That's the best
>> reason I know for NOT having one.
>>
>
> This one belonged to my dad (now deceased and missed) and I like using a
> jointer at times. I don't have access to my 5 foot long 8" cast iron
> monster I used when I was teaching. I have not gotten my home shop set
> up yet to be able to use the craftsman jointer yet. I simply wondered if
> there were any hints to get the maximum performance from the little
> machine.
There's very little one _can_ do with one of them...I believe it's
possible to adjust the infeed if it's not quite coplanar but that's
about it.
Sharpen the knives, get them set correctly and just don't expect too
much. It'll do good work for what it's capable of--the biggest
limitation is the _very_ short infeed table--it's just not long enough
to handle any long stock. But, for most cabinet work and small
furniture it should be adequate.
I started with a _very_ old 6" Craftsman of this variety
<http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=11277>
It was perfectly serviceable other than being a little shorter than one
would like but I used it for almost 10 yr before upgrading to the 8"
Delta (which is of roughly mid-60s vintage so was 25+ when I got it).
--
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote >
> There's very little one _can_ do with one of them...I believe it's
> possible to adjust the infeed if it's not quite coplanar but that's about
> it.
>
> Sharpen the knives, get them set correctly and just don't expect too much.
> It'll do good work for what it's capable of--the biggest limitation is the
> _very_ short infeed table--it's just not long enough to handle any long
> stock. But, for most cabinet work and small furniture it should be
> adequate.
About as I thought. A couple of roller stands will probably be nearby to
use with longer stock, at least to hold it almost at the right place as it
starts into and finishes coming out of the unit.
> It was perfectly serviceable other than being a little shorter than one
> would like but I used it for almost 10 yr before upgrading to the 8" Delta
> (which is of roughly mid-60s vintage so was 25+ when I got it).
Yeah, that's what I had. I did have a problem near the end that I believe
was the in and outfeed starting to get somewhat out of the same plane. I
can't figure out what one of my idiots would have done to throw that monster
out of adjustment.
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On 4/1/2014 2:29 PM, Morgans wrote:
...
>> ... but I used it for almost 10 yr before upgrading to the
>> 8" Delta (which is of roughly mid-60s vintage so was 25+ when I got it).
>
> Yeah, that's what I had. I did have a problem near the end that I
> believe was the in and outfeed starting to get somewhat out of the same
> plane. I can't figure out what one of my idiots would have done to throw
> that monster out of adjustment.
The gib pads eventually wear some if the infeed depth is changed
frequently over a long-enough period of time.
But, they're adjustable to compensate for the droop that develops so is
rarely anything more than some adjustment needed to be back in spec.
About the only other thing that can happen is warping a table by using
it as a lever or handle to muscle the thing around...in that case,
you've got "trouble right here in River City..."
--
[email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:29:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>> Has anyone here owned or tried one of these Sears Craftsman 6"
>>
>> jointers--here a link to a photo of one:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-Craftsman-113-206931-6-Jointer-115V-1-2HP-/171280359457?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e11ae021
>>
>>
>>
>> My first impression is that it's too light for all but the lightest
>>
>> work, but there is more than one available in my neck of the woods so I
>>
>> thought I would ask.
>>
>>
>>
>> In other news, the Grizzly catalog arrived today with the 8" G0490 for
>>
>> "5% off"--$950+$150 shipping. I think I could get the jointer above
>>
>> for less than the shipping on the Grizzly.
>>
>>
>>
>> There "just something about cast iron"--where are you Oliver? (said in
>>
>> the spirit of "where are you, Elizabeth?" to those who may recognize
>>
>> that reference). I also know about a vintage Walker-Turner (heavy
>>
>> looking) "benchtop" jointer on sale for $400 (seems high).
>>
>>
>>
>> Since I brought it up, an 8" Oliver is about $1800 + shipping, I think,
>>
>> over 600#. I haven't inquired about the shipping. I'm surprised I
>>
>> don't see the brand mentioned more often. I don't know how the current
>>
>> "Oliver" (distributed by Douglas Machinery?) is related to the one of
>>
>> yesteryear.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's just something about cast iron... maybe I'm coming down with
>>
>> something? : )
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
> I used to own a 4" Craftsman Jointer, that was probably of similar vintage. it was mounted on a home-made stand and it was a pretty good little machine. Granted it had a lot of limitation but it was sound and smooth.
>
> You mentioned the 8" Grizzly. My son-in-law has a mid 2000's vintage 8" Grizzly and it is a very nice machine. The year he bought his, Fine Woodworking rated it highly; and prior to that they barely recognized Grizzly products.
>
> RonB
Thank you for the review RonB. The main problem with ordering from
Grizzly appears to be that they seem to be inconsistent. I had a
10%-off coupon and was ready to push the button until I saw some
pictures of someone unpacking the same model. It had a lot of
imperfections. I decided at that moment, that at the very least, I
didn't want one from the same lot. I think the person who took the
pictures returned his. SMC (sawmillcreek.com) took the thread down as
a "complaint posted made before notifying the manufacturer"--which their
policies don't allow. Grizzly seems to provide a lot of customer
service though, but they seem to expect their customers to have a high
tolerance for "issues" too. I guess that's "part of the deal". It's
not like I have a tap and die set handy (maybe I should...).
Bill
RonB wrote:
>
> I have an advantage that a lot of folks don't have. The Springfield store is about two hours away. When I was looking for a cabinet saw about 13 years ago the 1023 series was on my list. We were in the Branson/Springfield area and dropped by and got a good demo in the store's wood shop. When I pulled the plug and ordered a few weeks later I was pretty sure of what was coming and wasn't disappointed. A couple of years ago I bought a 15" surface planer and dust collector at the Grizzly Store. I was able to lift the box on the planer and inspect it in the store before they loaded it.
>
> BTW - Don't ever go to a Grizzly Store! It is like a big kid's candy store.
Ha! I made the Grizzly Springfield store a vacation stop 2 years ago!
I enjoyed my visit--even got the T-shirt! If the store was nearby,
allowing for a more convenient return, if necessary, I would look at
things differently.
Cheers,
Bill
>
> RonB
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yeah, that's what I had. I did have a problem near the
> end that I believe was the in and outfeed starting to get
> somewhat out of the same plane. I can't figure out what
> one of my idiots would have done to throw that monster
> out of adjustment.
You were a shop teacher? I still remember my shop teacher from 8th grade,
circa 1946.
At that time, students were divided into "sections", 1-7 depending upon
learning/intellectual ability, one being the highest. I was in section one
but somehow wound up in a section 7 shop class.
The shop teacher caught a kid trying to chop through a piece of wood on the
joiner; the teacher finished the job for him by bending the kid over a bench
and breaking ther board on his butt. I thought that was excessive then and
still do. I hope you were more tolerant of your students errors.
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"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thank you for the review RonB. The main problem with
> ordering from Grizzly appears to be that they seem to be
> inconsistent. I had a 10%-off coupon and was ready to
> push the button until I saw some pictures of someone
> unpacking the same model. It had a lot of imperfections.
> I decided at that moment, that at the very least, I
> didn't want one from the same lot. I think the person
> who took the pictures returned his. SMC
> (sawmillcreek.com) took the thread down as a "complaint
> posted made before notifying the manufacturer"--which
> their policies don't allow. Grizzly seems to provide a
> lot of customer service though, but they seem to expect
> their customers to have a high tolerance for "issues"
> too. I guess that's "part of the deal". It's not like I
> have a tap and die set handy (maybe I should...).
I've very seldom had any problem with anything I have gotten from Grizzly
but on the rare occasion I did they were exemplary in fixing the problem.
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"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote
> You were a shop teacher? I still remember my shop teacher from 8th grade,
> circa 1946.
Yep. 21 years. I had a construction curriculum, where we built a turn-key
house on site, ever two years for sale to the public, along with other
projects for the school like bus garage additions and a softball concession
stand and locker rooms and community park picnic shelters and such. I ended
up doing much more than the houses, including building full sets of solid
oak raised panel cabinets for some of the houses and benches and other
furniture for the school. Pretty nice shop, although not big enough for the
amount of students I had.
> At that time, students were divided into "sections", 1-7 depending upon
> learning/intellectual ability, one being the highest. I was in section
> one but somehow wound up in a section 7 shop class.
Funny, but I only had one semester of shop in 8th grade. I was college
prep. I was a band director before I became a contractor, before I became a
teacher. Go figure!
>
> The shop teacher caught a kid trying to chop through a piece of wood on
> the joiner; the teacher finished the job for him by bending the kid over a
> bench and breaking ther board on his butt. I thought that was excessive
> then and still do. I hope you were more tolerant of your students errors.
I could tell you stories, for hours, I suppose. I learned to listen
constantly, as I interacted with other students, for signs that all was not
going as it should in the shop. It is amazing how the sound of a machine
will give away its' incorrect use, if you only listen for it.
One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of
student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed much
longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect and
responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think they can
get away with, and break anything they think they can break, just to see if
they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also fallen to the point that
I fear for our countries future. It all comes back to the parents. Teach
your kids parents. Morals, respect, responsibility and work ethic. The
teachers will handle the rest with ease if they have those skills.
But yes. I was tolerant of errors. That is a teaching opportunity. Not as
tolerant of purposeful misbehavior. Still, I never busted a board on
anyone's butt. Not to say that I didn't want to, a few times!
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On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote:
...
> But yes. I was tolerant of errors. That is a teaching opportunity. Not
> as tolerant of purposeful misbehavior. Still, I never busted a board on
> anyone's butt. Not to say that I didn't want to, a few times!
The lack of which, while not tolerating abuse, is a key element that
seems lacking any more...a firm swat can also be a learning
experience...from one exercise of same on the unwanted end also in 8th-G
shop :)
--
"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I also had a wood shop teacher in my flying club. His spars never quite
> touched the ribs fully. His webbing between the spars had the same
> problem, he just globbed ambroid glue on as if it wood provide the
> strength.. I would explain that if it was a wood to wood bond it would be
> stronger, he always dismissed me.. So everytime he launched a new airplane
> it was fun to watch... about half of them we would hear OH SHIT while he
> was going up on the winch or high start (these were gliders which need
> wing strength). What followed was the wing folding completely. Always
> worth a laugh that he never got the idea that building a nice clean air
> frame was important for strength and light weight. I can't imagine what
> his woodworking was like. His station wagon looked like a homeless guy
> living in it.
>
Chuckle!
There are a few jackleg carpenters and carpenter teachers out there,
unfortunately. I heard it said that anyone who has ever picked up a hammer
and driven a nail considers themselves to be a carpenter. Not far from the
truth, me thinks.
The guy I replaced had forged his recommendation on letterhead that his
mother had stolen from the contractor she kept books for. OMG! The
stories I heard. He cut his fingertips on the jointer twice in three years!
He cut square holes in the sheetrock for round ceiling boxes. I could go on
and on. One thing scared the poop out of me happened in the shop, though.
I had found that nearly every machine in the shop was so far out of
adjustment to be unusable, and there were some pretty major safety problems.
I went thought and fixed what I found, and proceeded. One day, I heard the
jointer chatter uncharacteristically, from across the room. I flew over and
got it shut down. I then proceeded to investigate, and found that one chip
breaker was being held in by two of the 5 screws, and by the sawdust packed
between the blade and the bar. I could not even get it out without
destroying the bar, it was wedged in so tight.
that isn't the worst of it, believe it or not. Underneath the end of each
blade were three 6d nails with the heads cut off. From what I can figure,
he used them as shims to adjust the height of the blades.
I immediately shut the shop down, and stayed after late every day, until
each machine had been completely torn down, inspected and re-adjusted. Oh,
and first I went to get a change of shorts!
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"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I could tell you stories, for hours, I suppose. I
> learned to listen constantly, as I interacted with other
> students, for signs that all was not going as it should
> in the shop. It is amazing how the sound of a machine
> will give away its' incorrect use, if you only listen for
> it.
Yes indeed. I suppose I SHOULD wear ear protection but I never have because
I want to hear the machine.
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> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Yes indeed. I suppose I SHOULD wear ear protection but I never have
>> because I want to hear the machine.
>
> I can usually hear the machine just fine with ear protection on. It's
> muffled, not completely blocked out. Some hearing protection is available
> with different levels of dampening.
>
And I agree with that. I usually had ear muffs, so when I was right beside
a running machine, they would be on, but then when I was trying to
communicate with a student, they would be slid off, at least one ear. A
mistake on a running machine can still be heard, clearly, if you know what
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> On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
>> One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of
>> student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed much
>> longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect
>> and responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think
>> they can get away with, and break anything they think they can break,
>> just to see if they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also
>> fallen to the point that I fear for our countries future. It all comes
>> back to the parents. Teach your kids parents. Morals, respect,
>> responsibility and work ethic. The teachers will handle the rest with
>> ease if they have those skills.
>
> Well put.
>
> My sister-in-law retired last year after teaching 30 years and said the
> above, almost word for word.
>
> We have had a number of conversations in the past couple of years and I
> asked for her opinion, in as few words as possible, about what was wrong
> with our public education system. Her one word reply:
>
> Parents.
>
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Swingman wrote:
> On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
>> One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of
>> student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed much
>> longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect
>> and responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think
>> they can get away with, and break anything they think they can break,
>> just to see if they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also
>> fallen to the point that I fear for our countries future. It all comes
>> back to the parents. Teach your kids parents. Morals, respect,
>> responsibility and work ethic. The teachers will handle the rest with
>> ease if they have those skills.
>
> Well put.
>
> My sister-in-law retired last year after teaching 30 years and said
> the above, almost word for word.
>
> We have had a number of conversations in the past couple of years and
> I asked for her opinion, in as few words as possible, about what was
> wrong with our public education system. Her one word reply:
>
> Parents.
>
But some kids barely have one...
Leon wrote:
> On 4/3/2014 4:01 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote:
>>>
>>>> One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of
>>>> student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed
>>>> much
>>>> longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect
>>>> and responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think
>>>> they can get away with, and break anything they think they can break,
>>>> just to see if they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also
>>>> fallen to the point that I fear for our countries future. It all comes
>>>> back to the parents. Teach your kids parents. Morals, respect,
>>>> responsibility and work ethic. The teachers will handle the rest with
>>>> ease if they have those skills.
>>>
>>> Well put.
>>>
>>> My sister-in-law retired last year after teaching 30 years and said
>>> the above, almost word for word.
>>>
>>> We have had a number of conversations in the past couple of years and
>>> I asked for her opinion, in as few words as possible, about what was
>>> wrong with our public education system. Her one word reply:
>>
>>>
>>> Parents.
>>>
>>
>> But some kids barely have one...
>>
>
>
> What do you mean "BUT"?? That is the problem, the parents. Every
> child has parents, that is how they were created, absentee or not. It
> is not the responsibility of the teachers to do what the parents,
> absentee or not are, are suppose to do. Throw the absentee parents in
> jail.
What if they are not around??? ; )
On 4/3/2014 4:01 PM, Bill wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/2/2014 2:22 PM, Morgans wrote:
>>
>>> One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of
>>> student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed much
>>> longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect
>>> and responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think
>>> they can get away with, and break anything they think they can break,
>>> just to see if they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also
>>> fallen to the point that I fear for our countries future. It all comes
>>> back to the parents. Teach your kids parents. Morals, respect,
>>> responsibility and work ethic. The teachers will handle the rest with
>>> ease if they have those skills.
>>
>> Well put.
>>
>> My sister-in-law retired last year after teaching 30 years and said
>> the above, almost word for word.
>>
>> We have had a number of conversations in the past couple of years and
>> I asked for her opinion, in as few words as possible, about what was
>> wrong with our public education system. Her one word reply:
>
>>
>> Parents.
>>
>
> But some kids barely have one...
>
What do you mean "BUT"?? That is the problem, the parents. Every child
has parents, that is how they were created, absentee or not. It is not
the responsibility of the teachers to do what the parents, absentee or
not are, are suppose to do. Throw the absentee parents in jail.
"woodchucker" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I remember my wood shop teacher....
>...he could work on his own project. He could have done the work after
>school...
That is for what I remember my Jr. High woodshop/ceramics teacher... During
ceramics class he made laminate kitchen counter tops for somebody and during
woodshop class the next year he made a fiberglass covered wooden cap for his
pickup. He kind of left the class to their own devices much of the time...
I recall him making a complete mess while spreading the contact cement for
the counter tops. Me, a kid of 12 years of age, explained to him a better
way of doing it (my next door neighbor was a professional cabinet maker) and
he tried it... for a few minutes he enjoyed success but then went right back
to what he'd been doing. Needless to say, after those combined experiences,
this guy did not leave a favorable impression on me... to the point that I
long ago forgot his name. Another way to put it is that I have enjoyed
success as a woodworker in spite of him. ;~)
John
On 4/2/2014 4:24 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
>
> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> I also had a wood shop teacher in my flying club. His spars never
>> quite touched the ribs fully. His webbing between the spars had the
>> same problem, he just globbed ambroid glue on as if it wood provide
>> the strength.. I would explain that if it was a wood to wood bond it
>> would be stronger, he always dismissed me.. So everytime he launched a
>> new airplane it was fun to watch... about half of them we would hear
>> OH SHIT while he was going up on the winch or high start (these were
>> gliders which need wing strength). What followed was the wing folding
>> completely. Always worth a laugh that he never got the idea that
>> building a nice clean air frame was important for strength and light
>> weight. I can't imagine what his woodworking was like. His station
>> wagon looked like a homeless guy living in it.
>>
>
> Chuckle!
>
> There are a few jackleg carpenters and carpenter teachers out there,
> unfortunately. I heard it said that anyone who has ever picked up a
> hammer and driven a nail considers themselves to be a carpenter. Not
> far from the truth, me thinks.
>
> The guy I replaced had forged his recommendation on letterhead that his
> mother had stolen from the contractor she kept books for. OMG! The
> stories I heard. He cut his fingertips on the jointer twice in three
> years! He cut square holes in the sheetrock for round ceiling boxes. I
> could go on and on. One thing scared the poop out of me happened in the
> shop, though.
>
> I had found that nearly every machine in the shop was so far out of
> adjustment to be unusable, and there were some pretty major safety
> problems. I went thought and fixed what I found, and proceeded. One
> day, I heard the jointer chatter uncharacteristically, from across the
> room. I flew over and got it shut down. I then proceeded to
> investigate, and found that one chip breaker was being held in by two of
> the 5 screws, and by the sawdust packed between the blade and the bar.
> I could not even get it out without destroying the bar, it was wedged in
> so tight.
> that isn't the worst of it, believe it or not. Underneath the end of
> each blade were three 6d nails with the heads cut off. From what I can
> figure, he used them as shims to adjust the height of the blades.
Thank god we never read about the possible results of a flying blade in
the news... That would have had many ww programs shut down long ago...
But these days, most programs are shut down anyway.
>
> I immediately shut the shop down, and stayed after late every day, until
> each machine had been completely torn down, inspected and re-adjusted.
> Oh, and first I went to get a change of shorts!
--
Jeff